CPA network shaving my profits

Aff1 · 07-08-2009, 12:37 AM

Hi Guys

I am new to this forum and to the CPA networks.

Recently with one cpa network ( I am not sure if I am allowed to mention their names here )

I have had 15 confirmed leads/downloads , but when I checked my account only 2 out of 13 has been converted to $ $ .

These have been confirmed from twitter people and other various ways after I became suspicious .

I try to call my manager 3 times and emailed her 4 times NOTHING . iS THIS NORMAL . I understand if they take 1 or 2 of my earnings but 11 something is not right.

Any ideas ?

Please help

aff1

Myheavens · 07-08-2009, 12:48 AM

Please tell me the name of that CPA network so that We (Affiliates ) avoid such networks

ryanzona · 07-08-2009, 04:09 PM

This is the one aspect of CPA that bothers me a ton. It seems like you could gather a good number of leads and be expecting funds and end up getting a lot less.

What would be great would be a list of cpas that do this consistently.

ckweb · 07-08-2009, 04:41 PM

I think they all do it here and there. It's not the network but the advertiser doing the shaving. All they have to do is report clicks as fraudulent or fake and they are not counted. I'm sure most advertisers on the networks have custom scripts built into their landing pages that automatically denote a click or two here and there every few minutes. Unfortunately, the networks don't seem to care enough to do anything about it so until they step their protection up for their affiliates this will continue to be a major problem. I've personally had campaigns running at a consistent 27% conversion rate for weeks suddenly drop to 13% out of no where, and with no changes to my strategy. It sucks, but its part of doing CPA so be prepared for it.

Cash37 · 07-08-2009, 07:24 PM

Call their asses out. What network is it?

ChrisBa · 07-08-2009, 07:57 PM

Keep trying to Contact your AM and see what they have to say.. if no results, let everyone on here know

ckweb · 07-09-2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash37

Call their asses out. What network is it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisBa

Keep trying to Contact your AM and see what they have to say.. if no results, let everyone on here know

Did any of you guys read my post? LOL

thewebhostingdir · 07-09-2009, 04:01 PM

Yes, some CPA networks do not count some conversions as legitimate. I do not know the reasons behind that. We understand that sometimes, there can be a fake signups or inappropriate signups. But, 11 out of 13, not being legitimate; it is not possible. Expose that network here.

Cash37 · 07-09-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckweb

Did any of you guys read my post? LOL

Yes. I read it. Any my stance remains. Call them out.

Zach Booker · 07-09-2009, 06:56 PM

Depends what network your with.

Some are pretty shady, i'd be interested in knowing which one your with.

Weird that your AM doesn't answer your e-mails either.

I only use the following, and have no need to go with any other, maybe you should do the same:

Neverblue
Copeac
Clickbooth
Maxbounty
MarketLeverage

Zach

super.affiliate · 07-09-2009, 09:18 PM

Hey aff1,

I wouldn't be so quick to accuse your network of shaving. I know how it is because I was once a noob too

But considering that you're dealing with small numbers like 15 leads (obviously the $ depends on the offer), it's very unlikely that they would shave.

What is more likely is that either the people on twitter are lying (if you are promoting with incentives), or that they have not completed a step of the verification process like confirming an email address.

Hope this helps!

Paul M · 07-09-2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waqas

Please tell me the name of that CPA network so that We (Affiliates ) avoid such networks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash37

Call their asses out. What network is it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash37

Yes. I read it. Any my stance remains. Call them out.

Calling them out on here would probably be a bad idea guys...

Rule #1.

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Originally Posted by admin

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NichePerform · 07-10-2009, 01:30 PM

Its unfortunate that these companies are giving CPA networks a bad name. I currently own a small CPA network called NichePerform... We're still very new (just two weeks old) and we're trying to establish ourselves within the community but its difficult when its impossible to be trusted due to the fact that many CPA networks shave leads and have no explanations as to why. Not to mention there are some networks that just plain don't pay affiliates. My hope is that once our first few months of checks go out, we can begin to get things rolling... but like I said, it is difficult due to many faults that other companies have.

nzdealer · 07-10-2009, 10:20 PM

Most advertisers do the shaving for zip and download submits. Most networks have around 3% shave rate.

Mary Green · 07-10-2009, 10:51 PM

This happens, unfortunately a lot to newbies. What you need to do is test with a lot of networks, and as you grow you will get invites to private networks where this doesnt happen as often. The more you grow, the less this happens.

Hyaku_Man · 07-10-2009, 11:09 PM

Yeah, it's the advertisers who do it. But it differs from network to network, based on the advertiser's profitability on that network I guess. I've tested come offers from the same advertisers on different networks and some perform 5 times as well as other. First I got pissed off and blamed those networks, but now I just try to test until I find a good one and then run it hard for as long as I can. Sometimes you can only run the ad a few days and then they start shaving or scrubbing, so you can rotate offers and get rid of any offers that start to perform poorly.

My experience with that is all on email and zip submits. But I have heard guys talk about Bizopps advertisers doing the same. I've never run any myself though.

07-08-2009, 12:48 AM	#2
Myheavens HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Canal Side Posts: 348 Thanks: 12 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Please tell me the name of that CPA network so that We (Affiliates ) avoid such networks
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07-08-2009, 04:09 PM	#3
ryanzona HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 154 Thanks: 24 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: CPA network shaving my profits This is the one aspect of CPA that bothers me a ton. It seems like you could gather a good number of leads and be expecting funds and end up getting a lot less. What would be great would be a list of cpas that do this consistently.

07-08-2009, 04:41 PM	#4
ckweb HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Scrooge McDuck's Money Tower Posts: 161 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts Social Networking	Re: CPA network shaving my profits I think they all do it here and there. It's not the network but the advertiser doing the shaving. All they have to do is report clicks as fraudulent or fake and they are not counted. I'm sure most advertisers on the networks have custom scripts built into their landing pages that automatically denote a click or two here and there every few minutes. Unfortunately, the networks don't seem to care enough to do anything about it so until they step their protection up for their affiliates this will continue to be a major problem. I've personally had campaigns running at a consistent 27% conversion rate for weeks suddenly drop to 13% out of no where, and with no changes to my strategy. It sucks, but its part of doing CPA so be prepared for it.

07-08-2009, 07:24 PM	#5
Cash37 Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Carolina, USA. Posts: 2,100 Thanks: 148 Thanked 179 Times in 104 Posts Social Networking	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Call their asses out. What network is it?
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07-08-2009, 07:57 PM	#6
ChrisBa Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,780 Thanks: 9 Thanked 468 Times in 370 Posts Social Networking	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Keep trying to Contact your AM and see what they have to say.. if no results, let everyone on here know
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07-08-2009, 12:37 AM	#1
Aff1 Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 19 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	CPA network shaving my profits Hi Guys I am new to this forum and to the CPA networks. Recently with one cpa network ( I am not sure if I am allowed to mention their names here ) I have had 15 confirmed leads/downloads , but when I checked my account only 2 out of 13 has been converted to $ $ . These have been confirmed from twitter people and other various ways after I became suspicious . I try to call my manager 3 times and emailed her 4 times NOTHING . iS THIS NORMAL . I understand if they take 1 or 2 of my earnings but 11 something is not right. Any ideas ? Please help aff1

07-09-2009, 04:01 PM	#8
thewebhostingdir Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Yes, some CPA networks do not count some conversions as legitimate. I do not know the reasons behind that. We understand that sometimes, there can be a fake signups or inappropriate signups. But, 11 out of 13, not being legitimate; it is not possible. Expose that network here.
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07-09-2009, 06:56 PM	#10
Zach Booker Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 972 Thanks: 190 Thanked 161 Times in 108 Posts	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Depends what network your with. Some are pretty shady, i'd be interested in knowing which one your with. Weird that your AM doesn't answer your e-mails either. I only use the following, and have no need to go with any other, maybe you should do the same: Neverblue Copeac Clickbooth Maxbounty MarketLeverage Zach

07-09-2009, 09:18 PM	#11
super.affiliate Warrior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Hey aff1, I wouldn't be so quick to accuse your network of shaving. I know how it is because I was once a noob too But considering that you're dealing with small numbers like 15 leads (obviously the $ depends on the offer), it's very unlikely that they would shave. What is more likely is that either the people on twitter are lying (if you are promoting with incentives), or that they have not completed a step of the verification process like confirming an email address. Hope this helps!
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07-10-2009, 01:30 PM	#13
NichePerform Warrior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Its unfortunate that these companies are giving CPA networks a bad name. I currently own a small CPA network called NichePerform... We're still very new (just two weeks old) and we're trying to establish ourselves within the community but its difficult when its impossible to be trusted due to the fact that many CPA networks shave leads and have no explanations as to why. Not to mention there are some networks that just plain don't pay affiliates. My hope is that once our first few months of checks go out, we can begin to get things rolling... but like I said, it is difficult due to many faults that other companies have.

07-10-2009, 10:20 PM	#14
nzdealer HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 157 Thanks: 6 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts Social Networking	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Most advertisers do the shaving for zip and download submits. Most networks have around 3% shave rate.
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07-10-2009, 10:51 PM	#15
Mary Green Mary Green Copy & Content War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central NY USA Posts: 2,151 Thanks: 49 Thanked 74 Times in 56 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: CPA network shaving my profits This happens, unfortunately a lot to newbies. What you need to do is test with a lot of networks, and as you grow you will get invites to private networks where this doesnt happen as often. The more you grow, the less this happens.

07-10-2009, 11:09 PM	#16
Hyaku_Man Zettai Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 318 Thanks: 64 Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts	Re: CPA network shaving my profits Yeah, it's the advertisers who do it. But it differs from network to network, based on the advertiser's profitability on that network I guess. I've tested come offers from the same advertisers on different networks and some perform 5 times as well as other. First I got pissed off and blamed those networks, but now I just try to test until I find a good one and then run it hard for as long as I can. Sometimes you can only run the ad a few days and then they start shaving or scrubbing, so you can rotate offers and get rid of any offers that start to perform poorly. My experience with that is all on email and zip submits. But I have heard guys talk about Bizopps advertisers doing the same. I've never run any myself though.
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