$150/day average in 2 month

toro73 · 08-09-2009, 03:37 PM

Just wanted to tell my story as a motivation to people who are new to CPA.

I have some background in html design, and some history with playing with affiliate marketing. A friend of mine does PPC and he's been helping me with some tips. I started out about a month and a half ago.

I'm currently averaging about $150/day (some days are crap, like today, others can go as high as $300+) doing PPC to landing page to offer using CPA free trials. I've had some ups and downs, but I have to say this was amazingly 'easy' relatively speaking, considering the short amount of time that took to reach what basically could replace a full time job's salary!

I'm still not feeling very secure in it, as I'm running only 3 offers, but looks very promising! Here's the formula, and it's not rocket science:

1) talk to your affiliate managers as far as what offers are hot and converting. You do not want to start with an offer that you have no idea if it sells. Establishing a good relationship with them never hurts. I'm signed up with a bunch of networks, but I'm currently working with Lidango.com. Their payouts are pretty impressive compared to some of the bigger players.

2) once you have an offer, go to google/yahoo/msn and search for keywords that are related to the niche. See the landing pages and ad types that are showing up on the results. Build something along the same lines.

3) keywords - this is where I think people will have the hardest time. You need to be willing to spend some money to test out keywords. Use tools like the adwords keyword tool, and words that come to your mind as starting points. Let those run to about 1.5 times the value of the revenue of the CPA. So for instance if you earn $30 per CPA, you have to be willing to run a keyword up to $45 or so. You can see how if you have 50 keywords, this could amount to 50*$45=$2250! so you *have* to have some budget to go with at first otherwise you're not going anywhere. Hopefully you will see some sales generated by some of those keywords sooner than later.

4) So now you have offers that you know are converting for someone else. You have ads and landing pages formats that other people are using (a tool like PPC Bully or Google Cash Detective can help you with this, but I haven't used them personally). Once you have some sales, test everything. Bump up bid prices for the keywords you're getting success with. If the network allows for pixel tracking, that is also helpful, as you'll be able to see the revenue and costs right on your adwords/yahoo/msn interface. Using a tool like tracking202 also can achieve this.

Hope this helps. This is the exact process that has worked so far for me. I'm feeling pretty confident that I can boost this to $1k/day, but we'll see, I'll keep you guys updated.

Hyaku_Man · 08-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Were you using Adwords?

Kenster · 08-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Thanks for the inspiring post. PPC is really a great way to make a lot of money in cpa, but like you said, it takes a lot of money in testing to find the winning keywords, landing pages, etc.

For those new to cpa that dont have a budget, I would start with other free traffic methods like offline, video, article, etc. Earn funds, re-invest in methods and ppc, earn more, re-invest more..repeat repeat

Thanks for the motivational story!

toro73 · 08-09-2009, 05:08 PM

Yes I was using adwords. However, my account got banned by the infamous google money tree slap (from an offer I was using earlier). So now I'm working with the two ppc companies. There's definitely other methods of advertising like Kenster says, but I'd venture to say that the fastest way is ppc. video, article marketing is a bit like SEO - the work you put into it might not translate into success until later on, and I think especially in the beginning you need some sort of success to keep you going. A friend of mine also started doing pretty much the exact same thing i did, except he played safer and didn't run a budget on ppc at all. Sure he got a sale or two for $30/each here and there, on expenses of $2-3 (so, incredible ROI) but he just didn't feel like he was onto a formula for success.

OPLeads · 08-09-2009, 05:19 PM

Congrats to your success ...

toro73 · 08-09-2009, 05:56 PM

Ken, free traffic is always great, all profit

how long did it take you to start seeing some results?

ChrisBa · 08-09-2009, 08:09 PM

very good solid advice..

imo it is testing and tracking where most people fail..

lherbal · 08-09-2009, 08:21 PM

Congrats on your success!

You said you are averaging $150/day, but how much of that is profit?

toro73 · 08-09-2009, 08:35 PM

lherbal - that is profit

!!!

Nato Guajardo · 08-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Great job! People don't understand how easy it is to get $100-$200 daily with CPA. It just takes a strategy and some action.

Now scale the hell out of that and squeeze as much money as you can out of those campaigns. Rinse and repeat.

Don't ever quit.

toro73 · 08-09-2009, 10:08 PM

Now the question is, when do I quit my day job and dedicate full time to this? what are people's opinions on it?

Nato Guajardo · 08-09-2009, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toro73

Now the question is, when do I quit my day job and dedicate full time to this? what are people's opinions on it?

Before I quit I made sure that I had at least 6-8 months of "emergency money" and that I was making money consistently for at least 3 months.

You never know when you will get a Google slap or have issues with your CPA network.

Kenster · 08-09-2009, 11:29 PM

I would say once you are comfortable knowing that you can repeat your success, then go for the full time leap. You dont want to quit your day job when you find a one hit wonder just to get google slapped or the offer expires, etc. I would also have multiple cash flow positive campaigns running before I quit.

CPA is a great way to make great money if you know what youre doing, and it sound like you do.

To your success

toro73 · 08-10-2009, 10:16 AM

That's definitely what I'm looking to do - constant profit margins, multiple revenue streams split over several different kinds of offers. I've been running these two campaigns with between $80-250 profit margins so far for the past few weeks, and speak of the devil, yesterday was a 0 profit day! I think the problem is/was with the fact that the offer seems to be loading really slow, and people click out before it loads. Has this been a situation anyone has faced in the past?

toro73 · 08-10-2009, 01:45 PM

You must be new to CPA. Just sign up for any of the networks (such as Lidango) and check their offers. Most CPA offers are centered around health, bizops and mobile. They pay around 30-40 per CPA, and it costs the user only $1.95-2.95 per free trial....

Noel2010 · 08-11-2009, 12:29 PM

Thanks for the information. It helps.

"Great job! People don't understand how easy it is to get $100-$200 daily with CPA. It just takes a strategy and some action."

I don't understand how easy it is.

toro73 · 08-11-2009, 02:40 PM

I just had the best day so far yesterday - check this screenshot (with a little plug for lidango since they've been awesomely responsive with getting my pixels working). Note that this is revenue, not profit, but still.

I'm pretty sure that today won't be as high - and I still don't feel comfortable running a single offer. My goal was to break 20 leads a day, so I'm gonna celebrate at some fancy schmancy restaurant!...

edited: today is looking like crap.. 5 leads so far...

ian_batten · 08-11-2009, 02:57 PM

Wow, pretty awesome work here.

Do you think that you'd earn more promoting the paid offers through PPC, rather than using incentives for the free offers? (EG, submits.)

toro73 · 08-11-2009, 03:58 PM

I'm currently promoting free trials through PPC alone. I'm not sure what you're referring about incentives.

BTW - I've had only 7 leads so far today (3pm PST). A far cry from the 21 I got yesterday. I'm barely at a profit.

Ups and downs, this industry. I'm hoping to chronicle my journey to hopefully $1k profit/day in this thread. Stay tuned

ian_batten · 08-11-2009, 05:17 PM

Presumably the free trials require a credit card submit? I was referring to offers that don't require a CC.

toro73 · 08-11-2009, 05:36 PM

Right, I am working with free trials with cc submit. I'm pretty new at this as I mentioned, so I haven't worked with anything else. I'd imagine that running email/zip submits that pay $1-2 per lead would require you to bid on low cpc keywords. I guess it could work if you get clicks at 0.10-0.30 and get $1-$2 that's could be a pretty good ROI. I think I prefer to work with specific more expensive offers tho. How do you target keywords for 'victoria's secret gift card', that wouldn't be targetted as well by people selling the actual product?

crunch · 08-11-2009, 06:16 PM

nice work toro, how are you finding your quality score? and are you doing anything about it!

toro73 · 08-11-2009, 06:24 PM

I'm not running anything on adwords. Yahoo and MSN only. My account got banned by Google before, because I was running google biz offer. I can only imagine if I had been able to run my current pages on adwords as well. If it is said that adwords drive about 70% of the market, then I'd be at 30-50 leads a day!...$$$$...

Saj Gupta · 08-11-2009, 06:30 PM

toro, yeah you'll benefit greatly by running these on adwords - have you tried opening a new account with a diff email? I have some keywords that cost 'less' on adwords compared to yahoo & msn.

Preben Frenning · 08-11-2009, 06:56 PM

This was very motivational, and I will most likely add cpa+ppc to my income streams.

My tip for you if you want to quit your job, will be to learn even more about cpa, scale out, and build profit streams from different sources. Like creating your own product, having affiliates sell it for you etc.

That will give you a lot more safety if you want to quit your job. And like Nato says, keep some emergency money.

dropship · 08-11-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sranju72

toro, yeah you'll benefit greatly by running these on adwords - have you tried opening a new account with a diff email? I have some keywords that cost 'less' on adwords compared to yahoo & msn.

I don't really think it's that easy just to open up another adwords account. In any case Adwords is going to pretty much crack down on all those free trial rebill offers at some point, so I think that you are going down the right track right now on using Yahoo and MSN. If you're having success with thse now, there is no need to change it up.. :-)

Versus · 08-11-2009, 08:24 PM

If I had a "thanks" button, I would use it. Thanks for a good thread, I will implement some of your suggestions and let you know how I go!

younghamir · 08-11-2009, 08:27 PM

are you using adwords for your campaign? this is inspiring.

Globe_Trotter13 · 08-11-2009, 11:37 PM

A couple of quick questions that comes to mind: I have a couple of sites in 2 different niches which should be ready by the weekend, how soon after they've been up, can I apply to CPA networks? And to monetize my site, what would be the best thing to do? have google ads on it + cpa offers or just cpa offers and no google ads on the site?

Thanks,

Payman.

Globe_Trotter13 · 08-11-2009, 11:40 PM

Btw, I would like to thank you for your awesome free guide. I downloaded it yesterday and that helped clear quite a few points for me, as I am brand new to CPA's. You did a great job. Thanks again for providing that great basic guide for first timers like me.

Cheers,

Payman.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dropship

I don't really think it's that easy just to open up another adwords account. In any case Adwords is going to pretty much crack down on all those free trial rebill offers at some point, so I think that you are going down the right track right now on using Yahoo and MSN. If you're having success with thse now, there is no need to change it up.. :-)

mehboob · 08-12-2009, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenster

Thanks for the inspiring post. PPC is really a great way to make a lot of money in cpa, but like you said, it takes a lot of money in testing to find the winning keywords, landing pages, etc.

For those new to cpa that dont have a budget, I would start with other free traffic methods like offline, video, article, etc. Earn funds, re-invest in methods and ppc, earn more, re-invest more..repeat repeat

Thanks for the motivational story!

I like your idea, but I am thinking if its a good idea to earn from a low paying niche and re-invest in a higher paying niche.

Hyaku_Man · 08-12-2009, 05:02 AM

Cool thread, toro. Thanks for sharing this without expecting us to buy your ebook. LOL

I was going to ask how you decided on a landing page style but I see that you had a look at your competitors and got some ideas. Good stuff.

About zip/email submits, I've done some of those and I did manage to get them profitable by targeting the cheaper keywords en masse. But my profit margins were pretty narrow so I would have to have a lot of campaigns running to make good money. Other people make lots from them, but it never quite clicked for me. Now I'm building some minisites to target them via SEO, since their payout is so low free traffic is nice.

dropship · 08-12-2009, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Globe_Trotter13

Btw, I would like to thank you for your awesome free guide. I downloaded it yesterday and that helped clear quite a few points for me, as I am brand new to CPA's. You did a great job. Thanks again for providing that great basic guide for first timers like me.

Cheers,

Payman.

No problem at all, glad to help and share my success strategies with other fellow Warrior members. :-)

toro73 · 08-12-2009, 01:38 PM

I've read some ebooks, but it always lacks a critical component. In fact, even in my little tutorial, it's really about testing. I know media buy guys who spend thousands of dollars per day testing out their landing pages across multiple sites, and then narrowing it down to the ones that convert at a profit. Thousands of dollars a day!... that's insane for me! They run at a loss for a while, but it eventually as you narrow down on the sites that work, you start breaking into the profitability line. Same thing with keywords.

Doing SEO is great, I used to be in affiliate marketing since 2001 doing Amazon products. (and I still have a site that does maybe $100/month free of maintenance).But It's slow, tedious, and you're at the mercy of the search engines when they decide to change the algorythm. PPC/Media buying you have a much clearer picture of where you stand.

akgreenyourlife · 08-12-2009, 01:44 PM

Please tell me about google adwords and google adsense.

seolinker · 08-12-2009, 02:58 PM

If you don't mind me asking....Google don't allow now to promote all that free trials via Adwords, so how do you make it ? I assume you are not lying about $150+/day

Am I missing something ? If so please explain, it's good that you make money, but your first post just obvious advices, would be good to know how do you promote those free trials for example on big 3 ppc engines.

Thanks in advance!

seolinker · 08-12-2009, 03:04 PM

Oh, and and I forgot to add that Yahoo and MSN don't allow them as well from what I read, so it's kinda surprising for me that your ads, campaigns, lps and everything was approved and running now.

SMP · 08-12-2009, 05:41 PM

Great post toro73. I really appreciate you sharing your resources and strategy.

I've posted a thread related to CPA but have had no interest and no posts so I decided to find the info myself rather than wait for it to come to me. I'm glad I did.

All the best.

Steve.

toro73 · 08-12-2009, 07:21 PM

Yesterday I was only up $40. Today is looking much better. Since I'm keeping the niche hidden, yes, I am running at about 100% ROI today, and I'm at close to $200ish profit.

Using PPC to run offers can be a nerve wrecking experience. I keep refreshing the stats to see when the next lead is coming in. There are times when a whole hour goes by without a single lead, and yet you see the clicks adding up. Sometimes you'll get 2-3 leads in the space of minutes, and then you're happy and all is well.

To those who have inquired with me over pm about coaching, I'm afraid there is no real secret to PPC/CPA beyond what I just delineated here. I understand it can be a scary world out there venturing into this without much experience, but two thirds of the secret formula I've already written about. I didn't use any 'tricks' to get high quality score or whatnot. You talk to to your affiliate manager and inquire about a good performing offer. You go to the search engines, and you look at what affiliates are putting out there and you create something similar. And you test the keywords. Compare this to doing it some other way: you pick an offer without talking to anyone. You build a page according to what you think would be cool or fancy. Then you throw some keywords at it. You get zero conversions. What went wrong? Was it the offer? was it the landing page? was it the keywords? by using something that's (somewhat) proven out there, you reduce the unknown factor by a very large quantity. You know the offer will be good because the affiliate manager wants the same thing you do. Even go as far as asking the affiliate manager if he can point to examples of good converting pages!.. all you have to do is get to the keywords! it's-that-simple! (and yet, nerve wrecking, see above - because your money is on the line). However, simple does not mean easy. Or costly. That is where people will cave in before they have success.

When I first started at cpa, I put aside $1000 in a separate business bank account. That was going to be my starting PPC cash. I was ready to burn through that cash. Luckily it didn't end up being so. Your mileage may vary of course. Put some money aside, and resign yourself to spending it all if needed be. When bidding, start with low bid prices. Dont go for high positions. It'll take longer to get you enough clicks, but you'll be able to (at least mentally) last longer. Think of roulette or blackjack, do you want to play with $1 chips or $5? how rich is your blood?

If you are really set in seeking some sort of coaching, I'd recommend you sign up for something specific, like PPC related classes like PPC Classroom (and I've only heard of them by word of mouth, so I can't vouch for them, but I recall it being good reviews - do you own diligence!). I do have a full time job still, so I cannot dedicate any time to teaching others beyond what I can write here on the forum. Feel free to ask questions on this thread, or use the forum as well, that's what it's here for!

dougman · 08-12-2009, 07:23 PM

Good advice thanks

beePrime · 08-13-2009, 05:15 AM

wow great resource, i just learn from this, i just stupid doesn't know how to do that

seolinker · 08-13-2009, 06:17 AM

So once again obvious BS and non-replying just broad question (answer will not contain any niche secret info or so).

Facts

1) You are using PPC from big 3, none of them allow free trials.
2) You are making money from it.

So if you reveal it it will probably close your business. It's OK and I got you. But why to share with others by making this post anyway then ? It doesn't make any sense.

Pobman · 08-13-2009, 06:25 AM

Well Toro73 I have taken the plunge, both in posting here for the first time after lurking for many months and in trying out CPA. I had two chats with one of the managers at Lidango, who answered all the questions I had.

I will let you know how I get on, though if I can sell some of the junk I have sold from Clickbank I should be able to sell this too...

Can I ask how many keywords you narrowed down to in the end?

qualitycontent · 08-13-2009, 06:26 AM

Congratz on your success. Just read your complete thread and found some very valuable information.

seolinker · 08-13-2009, 06:46 AM

Which valuable information ? Can someone plese point me ? This dude seriously illegal and doing very shady things, Can this be done ? Hell yes, until he will be catched by Yahoo and MSN, he already catched by Google and then bye bye monies.

Jenni Mac · 08-13-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by seolinker

Which valuable information ? Can someone plese point me ? This dude seriously illegal and doing very shady things, Can this be done ? Hell yes, until he will be catched by Yahoo and MSN, he already catched by Google and then bye bye monies.

What the hell are you talking about? Read the thread!

Preben Frenning · 08-13-2009, 07:26 AM

Illegal? Black hat in that case. You won't go to prison, but you might get banned by not following the rules.

But I think it was mentioned here somewhere that it was free trials, but you had to pay for shipping, and I think that makes it more legit in the search engines eyes.

Good thread, motivating, and good luck!

seolinker · 08-13-2009, 12:34 PM

Preben, dear, yahoo BANNED all "free trials", Google limits them to death (anyway OP don't deal with G now cause he already banned for doing this), not sure about MSN but lot of guys can't get such ads running...

So... ? how is it motivating ?

Illegal in that case that customer will get charge for 1 year for $xx and with very little possibility to cancel, yea it writtren in VERY SMALL font, but that was reason for lawsuits.

We don't talk about Black Hat, look, I am all for making money and morale aside btw. I talk about that OP pure and blatant LIAR! He don't make money as he describes cause he will get banned for that in a seconds!

You can promote trials in e-mail, in banners, in 3rd tier ppc engines, you can do black hat seo and get sites in top, but not in PPC, YAHOO 100% no, don't get scummed!

Preben Frenning · 08-13-2009, 12:39 PM

Wow! I should hang out in this part of the WF more often!
Anyways, thanks for clarifying that! Hmmm... Then I see your point. I didn't know you can actually get into this kind of trouble for doing it...

Dr.faizan · 08-13-2009, 04:50 PM

The more you invest money the more you earn.. Am I right?

08-09-2009, 03:37 PM	#1
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	$150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Just wanted to tell my story as a motivation to people who are new to CPA. I have some background in html design, and some history with playing with affiliate marketing. A friend of mine does PPC and he's been helping me with some tips. I started out about a month and a half ago. I'm currently averaging about $150/day (some days are crap, like today, others can go as high as $300+) doing PPC to landing page to offer using CPA free trials. I've had some ups and downs, but I have to say this was amazingly 'easy' relatively speaking, considering the short amount of time that took to reach what basically could replace a full time job's salary! I'm still not feeling very secure in it, as I'm running only 3 offers, but looks very promising! Here's the formula, and it's not rocket science: 1) talk to your affiliate managers as far as what offers are hot and converting. You do not want to start with an offer that you have no idea if it sells. Establishing a good relationship with them never hurts. I'm signed up with a bunch of networks, but I'm currently working with Lidango.com. Their payouts are pretty impressive compared to some of the bigger players. 2) once you have an offer, go to google/yahoo/msn and search for keywords that are related to the niche. See the landing pages and ad types that are showing up on the results. Build something along the same lines. 3) keywords - this is where I think people will have the hardest time. You need to be willing to spend some money to test out keywords. Use tools like the adwords keyword tool, and words that come to your mind as starting points. Let those run to about 1.5 times the value of the revenue of the CPA. So for instance if you earn $30 per CPA, you have to be willing to run a keyword up to $45 or so. You can see how if you have 50 keywords, this could amount to 50$45=$2250! so you have* to have some budget to go with at first otherwise you're not going anywhere. Hopefully you will see some sales generated by some of those keywords sooner than later. 4) So now you have offers that you know are converting for someone else. You have ads and landing pages formats that other people are using (a tool like PPC Bully or Google Cash Detective can help you with this, but I haven't used them personally). Once you have some sales, test everything. Bump up bid prices for the keywords you're getting success with. If the network allows for pixel tracking, that is also helpful, as you'll be able to see the revenue and costs right on your adwords/yahoo/msn interface. Using a tool like tracking202 also can achieve this. Hope this helps. This is the exact process that has worked so far for me. I'm feeling pretty confident that I can boost this to $1k/day, but we'll see, I'll keep you guys updated.

08-09-2009, 04:29 PM	#2
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Kenster Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United States...NJ Posts: 549 Thanks: 20 Thanked 62 Times in 54 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Thanks for the inspiring post. PPC is really a great way to make a lot of money in cpa, but like you said, it takes a lot of money in testing to find the winning keywords, landing pages, etc. For those new to cpa that dont have a budget, I would start with other free traffic methods like offline, video, article, etc. Earn funds, re-invest in methods and ppc, earn more, re-invest more..repeat repeat Thanks for the motivational story!

08-09-2009, 05:08 PM	#4
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Yes I was using adwords. However, my account got banned by the infamous google money tree slap (from an offer I was using earlier). So now I'm working with the two ppc companies. There's definitely other methods of advertising like Kenster says, but I'd venture to say that the fastest way is ppc. video, article marketing is a bit like SEO - the work you put into it might not translate into success until later on, and I think especially in the beginning you need some sort of success to keep you going. A friend of mine also started doing pretty much the exact same thing i did, except he played safer and didn't run a budget on ppc at all. Sure he got a sale or two for $30/each here and there, on expenses of $2-3 (so, incredible ROI) but he just didn't feel like he was onto a formula for success.

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toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Ken, free traffic is always great, all profit how long did it take you to start seeing some results?

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toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! lherbal - that is profit !!!

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08-09-2009, 10:08 PM	#11
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Now the question is, when do I quit my day job and dedicate full time to this? what are people's opinions on it?

08-09-2009, 11:29 PM	#13
Kenster Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United States...NJ Posts: 549 Thanks: 20 Thanked 62 Times in 54 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! I would say once you are comfortable knowing that you can repeat your success, then go for the full time leap. You dont want to quit your day job when you find a one hit wonder just to get google slapped or the offer expires, etc. I would also have multiple cash flow positive campaigns running before I quit. CPA is a great way to make great money if you know what youre doing, and it sound like you do. To your success

08-10-2009, 10:16 AM	#14
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! That's definitely what I'm looking to do - constant profit margins, multiple revenue streams split over several different kinds of offers. I've been running these two campaigns with between $80-250 profit margins so far for the past few weeks, and speak of the devil, yesterday was a 0 profit day! I think the problem is/was with the fact that the offer seems to be loading really slow, and people click out before it loads. Has this been a situation anyone has faced in the past?

08-10-2009, 01:45 PM	#15
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! You must be new to CPA. Just sign up for any of the networks (such as Lidango) and check their offers. Most CPA offers are centered around health, bizops and mobile. They pay around 30-40 per CPA, and it costs the user only $1.95-2.95 per free trial....

08-11-2009, 12:29 PM	#16
Noel2010 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 480 Thanks: 39 Thanked 12 Times in 9 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Thanks for the information. It helps. "Great job! People don't understand how easy it is to get $100-$200 daily with CPA. It just takes a strategy and some action." I don't understand how easy it is.
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08-11-2009, 02:40 PM	#17
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! I just had the best day so far yesterday - check this screenshot (with a little plug for lidango since they've been awesomely responsive with getting my pixels working). Note that this is revenue, not profit, but still. I'm pretty sure that today won't be as high - and I still don't feel comfortable running a single offer. My goal was to break 20 leads a day, so I'm gonna celebrate at some fancy schmancy restaurant!... edited: today is looking like crap.. 5 leads so far...

08-11-2009, 02:57 PM	#18
ian_batten Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Wow, pretty awesome work here. Do you think that you'd earn more promoting the paid offers through PPC, rather than using incentives for the free offers? (EG, submits.)

08-11-2009, 03:58 PM	#19
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! I'm currently promoting free trials through PPC alone. I'm not sure what you're referring about incentives. BTW - I've had only 7 leads so far today (3pm PST). A far cry from the 21 I got yesterday. I'm barely at a profit. Ups and downs, this industry. I'm hoping to chronicle my journey to hopefully $1k profit/day in this thread. Stay tuned

08-11-2009, 05:17 PM	#20
ian_batten Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Presumably the free trials require a credit card submit? I was referring to offers that don't require a CC.
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08-11-2009, 05:36 PM	#21
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Right, I am working with free trials with cc submit. I'm pretty new at this as I mentioned, so I haven't worked with anything else. I'd imagine that running email/zip submits that pay $1-2 per lead would require you to bid on low cpc keywords. I guess it could work if you get clicks at 0.10-0.30 and get $1-$2 that's could be a pretty good ROI. I think I prefer to work with specific more expensive offers tho. How do you target keywords for 'victoria's secret gift card', that wouldn't be targetted as well by people selling the actual product?

08-11-2009, 06:16 PM	#22
crunch Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 75 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! nice work toro, how are you finding your quality score? and are you doing anything about it!

08-11-2009, 06:24 PM	#23
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! I'm not running anything on adwords. Yahoo and MSN only. My account got banned by Google before, because I was running google biz offer. I can only imagine if I had been able to run my current pages on adwords as well. If it is said that adwords drive about 70% of the market, then I'd be at 30-50 leads a day!...$$$$...

08-11-2009, 06:30 PM	#24
Saj Gupta HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 183 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! toro, yeah you'll benefit greatly by running these on adwords - have you tried opening a new account with a diff email? I have some keywords that cost 'less' on adwords compared to yahoo & msn.
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08-11-2009, 06:56 PM	#25
Preben Frenning Creative Kid War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 515 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 61 Thanked 46 Times in 36 Posts Social Networking	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! This was very motivational, and I will most likely add cpa+ppc to my income streams. My tip for you if you want to quit your job, will be to learn even more about cpa, scale out, and build profit streams from different sources. Like creating your own product, having affiliates sell it for you etc. That will give you a lot more safety if you want to quit your job. And like Nato says, keep some emergency money.
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08-11-2009, 08:24 PM	#27
Versus Pronto Tonto! War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne - Australia Posts: 27 Thanks: 21 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! If I had a "thanks" button, I would use it. Thanks for a good thread, I will implement some of your suggestions and let you know how I go!

08-11-2009, 08:27 PM	#28
younghamir HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: the other side of the world Posts: 120 Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! are you using adwords for your campaign? this is inspiring.
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08-11-2009, 11:37 PM	#29
Globe_Trotter13 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 88 Thanks: 54 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! A couple of quick questions that comes to mind: I have a couple of sites in 2 different niches which should be ready by the weekend, how soon after they've been up, can I apply to CPA networks? And to monetize my site, what would be the best thing to do? have google ads on it + cpa offers or just cpa offers and no google ads on the site? Thanks, Payman.

08-12-2009, 05:02 AM	#32
Hyaku_Man Zettai Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: 大阪、日本橋 Posts: 230 Thanks: 44 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Cool thread, toro. Thanks for sharing this without expecting us to buy your ebook. LOL I was going to ask how you decided on a landing page style but I see that you had a look at your competitors and got some ideas. Good stuff. About zip/email submits, I've done some of those and I did manage to get them profitable by targeting the cheaper keywords en masse. But my profit margins were pretty narrow so I would have to have a lot of campaigns running to make good money. Other people make lots from them, but it never quite clicked for me. Now I'm building some minisites to target them via SEO, since their payout is so low free traffic is nice.
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08-12-2009, 01:38 PM	#34
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! I've read some ebooks, but it always lacks a critical component. In fact, even in my little tutorial, it's really about testing. I know media buy guys who spend thousands of dollars per day testing out their landing pages across multiple sites, and then narrowing it down to the ones that convert at a profit. Thousands of dollars a day!... that's insane for me! They run at a loss for a while, but it eventually as you narrow down on the sites that work, you start breaking into the profitability line. Same thing with keywords. Doing SEO is great, I used to be in affiliate marketing since 2001 doing Amazon products. (and I still have a site that does maybe $100/month free of maintenance).But It's slow, tedious, and you're at the mercy of the search engines when they decide to change the algorythm. PPC/Media buying you have a much clearer picture of where you stand.

08-12-2009, 01:44 PM	#35
akgreenyourlife Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Please tell me about google adwords and google adsense.
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08-12-2009, 02:58 PM	#36
seolinker Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 71 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! If you don't mind me asking....Google don't allow now to promote all that free trials via Adwords, so how do you make it ? I assume you are not lying about $150+/day Am I missing something ? If so please explain, it's good that you make money, but your first post just obvious advices, would be good to know how do you promote those free trials for example on big 3 ppc engines. Thanks in advance!

08-12-2009, 03:04 PM	#37
seolinker Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 71 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Oh, and and I forgot to add that Yahoo and MSN don't allow them as well from what I read, so it's kinda surprising for me that your ads, campaigns, lps and everything was approved and running now.

08-12-2009, 05:41 PM	#38
SMP HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Rugby, UK Posts: 102 Thanks: 2 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Contact Info	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Great post toro73. I really appreciate you sharing your resources and strategy. I've posted a thread related to CPA but have had no interest and no posts so I decided to find the info myself rather than wait for it to come to me. I'm glad I did. All the best. Steve.

08-12-2009, 07:21 PM	#39
toro73 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 1 Post	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Yesterday I was only up $40. Today is looking much better. Since I'm keeping the niche hidden, yes, I am running at about 100% ROI today, and I'm at close to $200ish profit. Using PPC to run offers can be a nerve wrecking experience. I keep refreshing the stats to see when the next lead is coming in. There are times when a whole hour goes by without a single lead, and yet you see the clicks adding up. Sometimes you'll get 2-3 leads in the space of minutes, and then you're happy and all is well. To those who have inquired with me over pm about coaching, I'm afraid there is no real secret to PPC/CPA beyond what I just delineated here. I understand it can be a scary world out there venturing into this without much experience, but two thirds of the secret formula I've already written about. I didn't use any 'tricks' to get high quality score or whatnot. You talk to to your affiliate manager and inquire about a good performing offer. You go to the search engines, and you look at what affiliates are putting out there and you create something similar. And you test the keywords. Compare this to doing it some other way: you pick an offer without talking to anyone. You build a page according to what you think would be cool or fancy. Then you throw some keywords at it. You get zero conversions. What went wrong? Was it the offer? was it the landing page? was it the keywords? by using something that's (somewhat) proven out there, you reduce the unknown factor by a very large quantity. You know the offer will be good because the affiliate manager wants the same thing you do. Even go as far as asking the affiliate manager if he can point to examples of good converting pages!.. all you have to do is get to the keywords! it's-that-simple! (and yet, nerve wrecking, see above - because your money is on the line). However, simple does not mean easy. Or costly. That is where people will cave in before they have success. When I first started at cpa, I put aside $1000 in a separate business bank account. That was going to be my starting PPC cash. I was ready to burn through that cash. Luckily it didn't end up being so. Your mileage may vary of course. Put some money aside, and resign yourself to spending it all if needed be. When bidding, start with low bid prices. Dont go for high positions. It'll take longer to get you enough clicks, but you'll be able to (at least mentally) last longer. Think of roulette or blackjack, do you want to play with $1 chips or $5? how rich is your blood? If you are really set in seeking some sort of coaching, I'd recommend you sign up for something specific, like PPC related classes like PPC Classroom (and I've only heard of them by word of mouth, so I can't vouch for them, but I recall it being good reviews - do you own diligence!). I do have a full time job still, so I cannot dedicate any time to teaching others beyond what I can write here on the forum. Feel free to ask questions on this thread, or use the forum as well, that's what it's here for!

08-12-2009, 07:23 PM	#40
dougman Back Doctor War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: $150/day average in 2 month - whoohoo!! Good advice thanks