Admiral.W

For those of you who are or have marketed CPA products through CPA networks:

You know those products that pay you $30-$50 Per Action. The action being, getting a viewer to try out a product using a free trial and all the viewer has to pay for is the shipping which is about $5.95 or $6.95….

A great example would be the dozens/hundreds of Acai Berry offers on CPA networks.

They pay you a great amount. How do they make a profit from this!
If they are only charging $5.95 for shipping to the viewer, and paying you $30 or more!

I know that when a viewer signs up for a free trial (7 days usually) they will then be charged another $50 to $75 to keep the subscription going, if they don’t cancel the trial in time.

But can these companies be making that much money on that much risk?

I mean, if you get 6 people to sign up to the Acai berry offer, and you get paid $30 for each person. (a total of $180). What do you think the chances are that all 6 customers will stick around? I’d say very little, don’t you???

I market endlessly for CPA networks without knowing how the big boy advertisers are still making a profit. Out of 6 Signups, I’d say about 2 people stick around. But I have no way of knowing for sure!

My question is, how much people do you think stick around after the free trial and actually agree or maybe forget to cancel the free trial and end up getting charged $50 for the next months service?

Looking forward to hearing some solid replies

seolinker

1. This companies are well setuped scums.
2. They charge you high $xx after that free trial and don't allow to cancel while trial lasts.
3. They pay middle $xx for helping scum others and take profit at least the same as you (high $xx - middle $xx) with possibility to earn more and more.

"6. Cancellation Policy.
Once an order has been submitted your credit card will be charged. Our ordering process is streamlined so your order will immediately be sent to processing and then shipping. Due to the high volume of orders we receive we will be unable to cancel an order after submitted. Please order carefully."

This is from one of the advertisers of herbal product with CPA $40 on markethealth.com

Also read 7. 90 Day Return Policy:

They are all the same So 90 days for "You may return any unused and unopened item purchased from us for any reason within Ninety (90) days of your purchase."

unused and unopen, wow

I have argued with some moron on this forum lately who was proud to promote that on ppc engines. Well, I am not jealous or so, I am all for making money and if people are stupid enough to order such **** - let it be. It's OK, what is not it's the methods of promotion, it allowed to do it via SEO, via PPV, via newsletters, but not on PPC.

Yes, there are still some on PPC but take a look, I have found very little on Google. It's only question of time.

Admiral.W

Thanks for the reply SeoLinker. I get that these sites are not exactly fair to customers, but the one thing I'm having a hard time understand from your post is that it seems like these companies ignore customers request for a trial cancellation? - I doubt it goes that far out. If a customer asks for a cancellation of the trial before the 7 day mark, he/she would get it.

seolinker

I have heard that toll-free numbers simply always busy or fed customers with some ****.

If you don't mind me asking are you doing that on PPC ? I didn't even start to promote this, but reading about lot of bans on all over the interner when you promote that on big 3 ppc engines make me really scare. I want to, but not sure if I can hide from Google, Yahoo, MSN

Admiral.W

Would be glad to answer. I just didn't really understand what you are asking...

Am I using Pay Per Click for my CPA marketing ventures? Yes I am.

What do you mean when you say "but reading about lot of bans on all over the interner when you promote that on big 3 ppc engines make me really scare."

You asking if there is a possibility to get your website banned from search engines if you promote cpa offers?

seolinker

No, no. I meant - do you promote exactly FREE TRIAL offers with ppc ? Not just ANY CPA offer, but that offers like some acai berry, teeth whitening, etc. Where scheme as above apply: customer will pay small fee ($5-$10) for shipping and you get paid solid $30-$50 CPA

Simply I heard about lot of bans, not just website (no big deal) but whole adwords, yahoo, msn accounts of people who was promoted free trials on PPC.

So that's what I mean. Please reply. I want to hear more opinions.

Admiral.W

Yes I do promote CPA offers like Acai Berry....In fact, I am currenlty promoting 2 Acai Berry offers at the moment, however I go about redirecting PPC traffic to a review site, or some time of site to get the viewer interested before moving them onto the CPA offer. There is no reason to boot someone from a Search Engine, directly to a CPA offer. Having something in between gives you more space/time to convert those "uncertain" viewers.

I'm out for now, will be back later on. I look forward to seeing some other Warriors who are in the CPA game answering the question labeled in the first post

seolinker

That's what I mean, I hope your review sites are all good if not try harder to make thme so with content and all that. Such were banned as well as whole accounts. Hope you will not get caught.

And just take a look at new adwords policy, there is one for affiliates too. As well as for free offers.

doomain

so we can't promote the free offer using adword ???

I have the ssame quest in the first post, what if many people want to scam the free offer? I mean they pay people for filling offer, how the company know if its valid or not ??

JayInOrlando

Hi Guys. I am directly involved with this.

What I can tell you, is that so far indeed these company's are making A LOT of money, but they are only able to do it by misleading and preventing folks from canceling thur any means neccasory. The CPA networks are turning a blind eye towards it.

I am most intrested in finding a way to attract affliates, to promote a legit offer, without the high rebill and all the other scum. However, so far no luck on that, as the payouts to do this, are only around $8 per sale, NOT the $40 per sale the scummy offers payout.

Therefore, so far I have not been able to really break into the CPA world. It appears, that either you lie, cheat and steal to play with the big boys, or you go home.

Jay

Sig Under Construction

ChrisBa

oh.. the great rebill..

i remember I once read that on average they make approx $100 per sign up..

they will do market research and find out that info, them from there figure out how much to pay networks/affiliates/etc..

Learn Affiliate Marketing - Affiliit - Learn How to Make money with Facebook, PPC, SEO, etc!
For a Limited Time Try Out Affiliit for Only $1! See What the Hype is All About!

Admiral.W

If thats the case, thats a lot of $100 in their pockets ...

I think its reasonable to say that they would make that much from people who just turn their back and forget the company is charging them, or if they actually liked the product, they will stick around for a few months. But from each signup, to make that much?

Now I'm interested to know if these companies actually make it nearly impossible for the cancellation of their service.

seolinker

As I said they simply don't hang up the phone or ignore e-mails, etc. Try it for yourself Be prepaired for $xxx bill though which you can't roll back

seolinker

Moreover, this people who make it happen will not stop at this point, and after all lawsuits, I bet they will live after that, prepare another scum operation. "Next big thing", lol

Admiral.W

I suppose....Thanks for the replies Seolinker.

Back to the question

how much people do you think stick around after the free trial and actually agree or maybe forget to cancel the free trial and end up getting charged $50 for the next months service?

dropship

I would imagine maybe 50% stay around the next month, but then after that it probably drops to like 25% or less, and then finally very little after the third month. The life cycle on this can NOT be very good because of the large monthly charges.

**WSO** - How to Make $250 Per Day With CPA Offers (ONLY $9.97 - Act FAST!)

**FREE REPORT** (Limited Time) - How to Make Easy Money With CPA Offers

Admiral.W

Thanks.... Sounds reasonable.

Would be great to hear from an actual person who sells using CPA networks, but I doubt they would come in the forum and tell us .... They want the competition at a minimum.

kb24

Go to youtube and type in "CPA sucks"

Admiral.W

Thats an interesting video, but thats just an angry dude who is looking to be ethical. He has some good points though.