gt555

Of course I would love to hear from members first hand but any thoughts would be appreciated. Of course Will or Carl the founders can also let us know how it is going?

Global365

Watched a 1 hour webinar put on by offervault to promote them....was basically a 1 hour commercial for mediabuys, not overly impressed

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tmedocianis

Don't forget to tell them that the webinar is still there at OfferVault. This way they can go and look at it for themselves.

PPC-Coach

It's going very well so far. Carl is the guy with all the knowledge/experience and since he's doing mid 6 figures every month, we made the site follow in his foot steps. We structured it so that in the first month, you can test, figure out creatives, launch campaigns for a small budget, then in month 2 we release the big boy media buy info. This way people can learn the ropes without needing a $10,000 budget. It's how I like to structure all my first months on my coaching sites. (the walk before you run mentality).

Month 2 starts in couple days for several members and I really think they're going to be blown away.

Of course whatever I think is bias as I am co-founder of mediabuyscoach.com.

gt555

How small can the budget be to launch?

jeanmarie

Which course is better Gauther Chaundhry or PPC Coach?

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jeanmarie

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AKA The Italian Princess

gt555

Jeanmarie this thread is about Mediabuycoach and not the other programms . Please guy just review of Mediabuyscoach. Only.

Jack@2009

Mediabuys costs $200 per month. Isn't it very expensive for beginners???

Versus

I would say that they're not targeting beginners. They're probably after the guys who are atleast earning $1k/month + in affiliate marketing.

It's all about a return on investment, I'm sorry but I'm sick of people (and clients of mine!) who only stop and think about what it is costing them up-front.

$200 a month as a beginner affiliate, lets say you earn 1k/month after ppc spend.

You invest $500 in your first media buy. That brings you back $700 (including the $500 investment, so $200 profit). It's just paid for itself! Then you re-invest the $500 again, and take every dollar profit. Then re-invest.. ETC

these guys proclaim to teach you how to do this. That information is beyond invaluable, as the only other way to learn is to jump in the deep end. And the deep end consists of 10k buy ins!

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. You waste some money. But you'll never know if you never try, right?

And no, I haven't signed up to Media-buys coach, however once I get consistent earnings as an affiliate I will be.

tmedocianis

Actually for mediabuys, you're going to be there for a few months at $200 before you can do anything so it's probably better to think of it as $600 or $800. Go listen to the webinar and both guys from mediabuys will tell you more. And yeah, it is for beginners. Especially since they start at the beginning and go month by month.

Also, it doesn't make any since to say that buying media cost $10k for someone who didn't take the course. Buying media cost the same for everyone once you go out and try to do it. It all depends on your negotiating skills and your relationship with those that you work with. If they tell you that you can do it with them for $500, then you can do it by yourself for $500. Seriously, no one is going to say to you the "Hey, we normally require $10,000, but because you took this course and know Joe Blow we're only going to require $500." A little common sense please.

Versus

So someone completely new to media buying also happens to know where to find these avenues of cheap CPM on targeted websites? And also has the courage to bargain for their first media buys?

As far as common sense goes..

PPV Guru

Not if the coaching is good enough. If so, then $200 is the least you can pay for good training. I'm not with them nor do I know the people who started the course personally, but I did had to make that point that price should be a small price to pay for results.

PPV Guru

Actually, media buying really isn't that hard. If you've ever bought banner ad space, you've already done some media buys on a small scale. And cheap CPM media buys are not hard to find.

Just approach networks like Adbrite.com or even use the google content network or MySpace. Facebooks advertisements have done REALLY well for me. These are all media buys. You start small, you ramp up. Not really much to it...sort of.

tmedocianis

I agree that $200 is not alot to spend for good coaching, but after spending the money, I feel you should be able to do something. After all, 30 days is alot of coaching. But for this program that everyone is discussing, the guy says that after 30 days you won't have enough info to do anything. He says he'll drip feed you month after month. They want to go through the same process that the other instructor went through. I say, everyone is not the same and that some people would rather not spend 3-4 months ($600-$800) dollars just getting the knowledge to be ready to try.

I agree PPV Guru, after spending $200, I want results, not notes.

PPV Guru

Interesting.

So, again, it seems like the product makers are just trying to drag out yet another relatively simple training method for as long as they can so that they can make good money.

I see you're point now and, eventhough I knew it was $200 a month for this service, I wasn't thinking that ALL they would show you was media buying. Was thinking maybe this month they'd teach media buying, next month ppc, next month another method, etc. In reality, it just isn't that hard to learn or to teach. Media buying is easy.

The hardest part about media buying is NOT finding places to buy them or actually becoming successful AT buying them. The hardest part is really the structure of it (learning about insertions orders) and then teaching people to be organized (because a lot of times you're buying on credit and most people don't run a true business that's organized).

But media buying? Dude, not that hard. So, you're right. After reading your response $200 a month simply sounds like a marketing ploy and a "mind management" tactic, that is, a tactic to make people think it's really as hard as it actually is so that they can keep charging you monthly for something that can be learned in 2-4 weeks.

PPC-Coach

Just to stop the mis-information about mediabuyscoach.com...

If you don't make money in the first month, there's something seriously wrong with you. We don't throw you into the shark tank and hope you'll succeed in month 1. We had to come to a happy medium and build a solid foundation before you get into the big boy world of media buying.

It's not a marketing gimmick, it's not a ploy. It's also NOT an ebook and it's NOT a course. It's a coaching site. The main reason people fail at making money online is they spend too much time reading and not enough time taking action. There's an epidemic of paralysis by overanalysis in the affiliate marketing world. That's why with the ebooks and courses a lot still fail. They jump ahead to whatever chapter they want instead of going through the thing in order like they're supposed to. People want things yesterday online and it just kills their ability to actually make money. When they skip the basics they have no foundation so they attempt something far beyond their skillset or experience level and naturally fail. I know this. I've been training affiliates for over 2 years now at PPC Coach and for a couple years prior to that in a 1on1 format. I've had over 5,000 people through all my sites now and it's always the same. The failures fail because they lack the proper system to learn, they want to jump ahead, they want to skip things AND they lack the work ethic required as well.

My training works very well for every member who actually follows it. You can't build a house without a solid foundation. You can't get a university degree without a high school diploma which you can't get without graduating Grade 8. There's always a process there and there's a preset system to educate people. Hell doctors spend years upon years in residence mode before they're allowed to become a real doctor. Plumbers spend a year or so as apprentices, there's plenty of examples out there. Yet online it's not like that. People only want the stuff that will make them $1,000+ per day, (which is a small number for media buys) and they want it yesterday. Meantime they have zero clue about what making that entails. Well, I do know what it takes as I make MORE then that daily. My partner in the site makes even more then I do. So you've got 2 guys who make a lot of money online every day who are there to answer your questions and guide you to success.

There's some information on media buying in this thread, but it's minimal and the "public domain" stuff. It's the stuff where you can blow a lot of money and not get any results because you didn't have someone who is already making millions per year showing you the ropes.

On a side note, what's better for you?

A course that costs $997 or $1997 as a one time fee?

OR

A coaching site that costs a fraction of that per month?

With the expensive course, you're paying for everything up front, so there's no need for the course writer to actually support your success later on. They've made their money, they're done. They take a vacation and then come back 6 months to a year later with version 2.0, (which is typically adding a chapter or module or two and including all the old information in it). So yes you get it all right away, but you don't get the support you need when it comes to the little and big questions down the road. You can't blame them, they've already been paid in full.

With a coaching site, you can quit at anytime, so the onus is on the people running the site to make every attempt to make you happy and KEEP you happy. That means always updating their content, always giving you the latest methods and techniques and always answering every question they can. If you're not happy, you'll quit. That means no more recurring income for them. They dont' like that as they want to make money too.

So from a buyers point of view, a coaching site is a live beast that is there to support you, while a course or ebook is a one night stand. From an ongoing point of view, you'd be far better off joining a coaching site then reading an ebook on how to do something.

Sorry for the long post, I just felt like explaining a bit of the method to the madness.

tmedocianis

Dear Coach,

Don't make me transcribe you own words from your webinar. The only thing that has been said here is that you don't present all of the information upfront. You drip feed people month after month at a cost of $200 a month. As far as your theories about what works, my opinion is that if it'll cost me 5 months at $200 to get all of the information, then just charge me $1000 and let me go. It's nice that you want to give people a chance to get it on a payment schedule, but don't act like it's less expensive to get the whole thing when it costs multiple $200 months to get it all.

After all, time is money and if I have to wait for next month to get the information, then the real cost is more than just what you charge, it's also lost opportunity. Plus, whatever you show that month might not even be what I'm looking for, so then I just have to wait, at a cost of $200, for next month to hope that there is something interesting. Sorry, not my cup of tea.

But I repeat, don't act like anyone here has presented disinformation about what you yourself has said because you did do a webinar where you stated these exact things in your own voice.

Good Luck with your program.

sanjid112

@tmedocianis:
so you said that it is worthless?

@coach:
maybe there's need some improvement so people that joined, won't see it useless paying $200/month. For me, paying once for lifetime for some useless product is the same as paying $200/month for something that I don't need.

tmedocianis

No, I'm not saying it's useless. How could I say that? I'm not part of it, but as I stated, it's not something I'd be a part of cuz it's not my style. Part of being responsible for you business is having the umph to get up and do what needs to be done. If that means going through a course to figure out what I need and getting the umph to do it step by step, then so be it. After all, there won't always be someone to be there who'll tell you that now you have to do this and now you have to do that. I can't run or even develop my business as fast as I need to if I have to wait for other people every month to tell me something else. For me, it's kinda like why I don't use Paypal anymore. They started taking way to long for me to get my money. I'm just one of those people that hates waiting in line, waiting for people to give me stuff. I guess I figure that there might be delays in my own process, I don't want other people slowing me down even more.

For all I know, his course might be terrific, only his students can tell you that. For me, I'd rather pay the price up front and be free to run. If you have a special order that you feel things should be done in, then just give me a recommended order and schedule of events. That way I can do the list in my own fashion at my own speed. After all, everyone doesn't pick up information at the same rate and if I'm slower on some things and if I'm faster on others, then let me go. I just hate waiting and having to pay for someone else's timeline of events, especially at $200 dollars a pop. Let me pay for my own timeline and that's it.

The one thing that I think is really good that I got from the webinar is that they have an adserver system that SEEMS to be beneficial. Everyone knows that adservers can get costly while you're not earning alot and their system seems to cut those costs dramatically. Although, some people say that you shouldn't be even thinking about media buying if you're not atleast generating enough income to laugh at adserver fees.

I think what would really be beneficial is if someone made a video course on how to use a particular adserver system, a system that's well known. Now that, I would probably pay for, again, as long as I can get the course and run with it.

PPV Guru

This is a very true statement right here.

I do believe that media buying isn't hard at all and doesn't require a lot of training though. However, I have a friend in your course and he said is pretty good so I take his word for it.

sergit

Hopefully it's not the same as PPC-Coach or PPVCoach or whatever other coaching programs he has

misterwrecker

I understand what you are saying and that might work for some people to pay once and then figure out the rest for themselves.

What PPC Coach is trying to say is that with his course you are on a monthly payment plan and you could quit whenever you want so he needs to continue to do his job and provide value or you will be gone and he will of lost a subscriber.

With the one time payment products once it is sold the product creator does not have to answer your questions or continue to help you out because he already made his money and if he does not care about his customers he will leave you in the dust.

I hope that clears things up a bit.



-John

tmedocianis

Okay, so let's look at it in your terms. I pay $800 and get screwed. Well, it happens fast so atleast I know it and can start something else. With month by month, you never know that you've been screwed until it's all over 5 months and $1000 have been gone. Which would you rather have? If we both get screwed, I still got 4 months on you.

Dude, I think this thread is done and you're waaaaaay late. No one doesn't understand and you didn't clear anything up. It was clear before you got here.

If you wanna know what your first months $200 has bought you, just ask around. There are people in the course and most are willing to talk. The comments I made were strickly my personal opinions, AS I STATED IN THEM. And, as far as getting questions answered, that's what forums and research are for. Most owners have real businesses to run and forums are left open so that other people can help you. This way owners can help sometimes, but can also move on to bigger and better. Oh and by the way, most forums are free and lifetime and remember, you don't know if it's decent content every month until after you've made you payment. So, it's really like buying a new course every month. I'd rather just buy one and just get 4 months head start on you! :-) Different strokes for different folks, again, my personal opinion. But in racing terms, since alot of who wins is who gets there first, "Eat my dust." If we hit a good course, I get 4 months on you, if we hit a bad course, I get 4 months on you etc. etc. Nomatter what, I get 4 months on you. :-)

misterwrecker

I thought your post was pretty funny. I don't know how I can be late for a post, I did not know there was an expiration date on there....lol


Well there are monthly coaching plans and one time payments so there is something for everybody I guess. The content and support is more important than the pay plan.


Thanks for the laugh anyway though.

oscarkool

Lots of bashing here. Look, despite me being banned from PPC-Coach, it's still a good program. Not necessarily because of the training, but because you're in an environment where everyone is paying money to be. The forums are where it's at. Everyone is trying to reach the same goal. There are people on ppc-coach that make a lot more money than anyone on warrior forum and the stuff on those forums is worth more than any course out there. It does take a lot of digging to find the gold, though. I always wished that coach would have spent some time collecting all the old school posts that were great and putting them in 1 forum for people to reference.

So, as far as mediabuyscoach, you're not just paying $200 for a couple of methods. You're paying the money to be an active member of a forum of a group of people paying the same amount of money to learn, and Carl really is great at what he does. Having him give you help with campaigns and all that, I can honestly say that's worth WAY more than any course because his posts on ppc-coach were great. The kid is 24 or something like that making more money than most of us dream of. And, you know what they say: don't bash it until you try it!

tmedocianis

First of all, this is not a bashing thread. It's a personal opinion thread.
Second, if you don't know that you can be late to thread, that says enough about you. LOL
Third, most products give out forums for free, but if you wanna pay $200/a month for yours, go right ahead. Again, this is a personal opinion thread.
Fourth, in every forum there will be people making more and less than you, get over it!
It's good that you enjoyed PPC-Coach.com, but this is about the mediabuy site and like I said, ask around. There are people here in it. So your comment about don't knock it till you try it would be answered by the people who tried it. Got that?
This is what I mean by being late to a thread. The topic has answered most of the arguments and you're not adding anything.
And Sixth, don't bother commenting about my comment cuz I won't be back to this thread. It's over. Different strokes for different folks. Again, get over it! LOL!

oscarkool

Lol get out of your basement for once. You can't live at home with mommy forever.

PPC-Coach

Hey oscarkool, thanks for that man. I appreciate it. The only reason I did what I did at PPC Coach was because I thought you were doing some kind of whisper campaign. Maybe I was wrong about you. I know I mishandled other things and this may be another thing I goofed up.



tmedocianis is not a fan of mine for anything I do.

So his or her opinion will be negative no matter what I do. That's ok, you can't please everyone and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But opinions from people who are not members and have never been members are just heresay. Also I totally disagree with his or her arguement that paying a fortune up front is somehow better. The person who got the money now has it in their hands, there's no need for them to do anything else. So they throw in a free forum and visit it once a week.

It's totally different styles. My style doesn't work for the "let me skip ahead to what I want to read" group, who is just seeking tricks and tips. My style does work for those who follow the process.

Go ahead and bash month 1, it's just the EXACT way my partner, (who does over $200,000 NET PROFIT per month), started out. So if you don't like following in the footsteps of wildly successful marketers, then skip it and skip all my sites. We put a system in place that mimics the exact path he took. How anyone finds fault with that is beyond me, but to each his own I guess. I guess they don't like doing the groundwork first to make sure they're prepared before they start doing $10k and up buys in the second month.

billaaa777

PPC Coach, I have a few questions I was hoping you might answer, please?

1) If the membership program at the PPC Coaches website cost $50 a month and the Mediabuycoachs website cost $200, does that mean the information at Mediabuycoach is 4 times as valuable as the knowledge to be gained at the PPC Coaches membership program?

2) Will you make 4 times as much money using what is taught at Mediabuycoach as you would at PPC Coach?

3) I really don't see how you can be involved with two different websites teaching the same material with such a large price difference, unless of course you are allocating more time and effort to the higher priced one. If that is the case, then are you not doing a disservice to the members at the PPC Coaches website, surely they did not sign up with your service to receive anything buy your best effort?

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PPC-Coach

Yes and no. The reason for the high cost is the potential to do more volume is higher with media buys. Also the price is higher because there is very little information, (good information anyway), about it. You could do PPC only and still make a ton of money, but I priced that site to the market it serves.

What you make is in direct relation to how much work you put in. From a potential point of view, the media buy world has about 1,000 times more traffic available versus Pay per click. PPC represents about 5% of internet ad traffic. Media buying represents the lions share.

It is two different sites, but they teach two very different methods. I allocate equal time to both sites, (in fact I'm involved with far more then just those 2 sites). As for doing a disservice to PPC Coach members, that's not the case. I have 2 paid staff members and 16 highly skilled moderators who help out on the forums with me. The PPC Coach site is a lot larger, (right now), but we're working on growing it and the media buys coach site daily.

If a coaching site has coaches that are not available at the regular price, then something is very wrong with that site. You shouldn't have to go through a major upsell to get access to the guy whose face is on the site as the coach.

Andy1750

Hi everybody,

I am a member of PPC coach and Media Buys coach and I have to say that I am extremely impressed so far. It's not the normal rehashed crap that you see in most internet marketing courses. These two programs are all about thinking out of the box with guidance from creators that make their income using the methods that they teach and not from selling make money online products. It's not about competing with all the other internet marketers out there, it's about being better than them.

There's no upsell, you don't get emails from them every day promoting other people's products. If there is something to be learnt they tell you and teach it to you.

As for the cost, if product creators are already earning a massive income from practicing what they preach then why would they want to invest time creating a $20 ebook? It wouldn't make sense! Wake up! Would you? And for those of you that consistently buy cheap rehashed junk, then I'm affraid that you're probably not intelligent enough to make money online. Keep dreaming of changing your life by submitting articles to ezinearticles or setting up niche blogs. Keep losing hundreds of dollars hoping that one day you'll find a PPC campaign that works by bidding on the same keywords as every other internet marketer on the planet. There are so many of you competing against each other for a tiny fraction of the traffic that's available the chances are that the majority of you are earning less than the minimum wage in doing so.

Media Buying is difficult and expensive. But the rewards are truly astronomical. It's something that's not within the financial reach of most which keeps it exclusive. $200 a month is tiny amount of money to tap into one of the most immensely profitable areas of internet marketing. Some of you will be paying $100 a month to ezinearticles just so that you can have your articles approved quickly! This course is not for Joe Average and if your happy doing what you are doing then good luck to you. But don't whinge about the cost of the course - nobody is forcing you to buy it. Being a member of Media Buys coach is a privilege that you have to pay for and not a a right.

I can say with my hand on my heart that these courses are truly outstanding. They are very different from anything else that I've ever bought.

A bit of a rant but I can't stand to see negative comments made by people that quite frankly just do not know what they are talking about.

Cheers,

Andy

topskyca

Can't help to point out there IS a very good and solid FREE file you can download out there in case you want to get into media buying. I have seen gurus rehashing same information from this same pdf file and then charge $4500 per seat in their seminar.

Guys, do some Google research if you can't afford such prices. Not sure if i am allowed to post the link here, but I will tell you anyways, go to google search for traffic tactics.

Media buying isn't some new stuff.

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PPC-Coach

Again, we're not a course or ebook. We're there to support our members when they have questions. That's the basis of the site. The community is the best part. It's not a matter of the information being out there, it's a matter of the simple fact that when you start something new you WILL have questions.

To get answers you can go to public sources and hope someone answers you honestly and that the person answering isn't trying to throw you off their path because you're close to competing with them. There's a ton of mis information out there and sometimes people answering are just trying to build up their post count and have never even ran a campaign. Yet they're responding as if they know the right answer.

With my sites, you get a group of people who have been there and done that already. So yes you can get basic media buying information out there, but you cannot get a guy doing mid 6 figures monthly to personally answer your questions, (remember you will have questions). That's the real value. It's not the monthly techniques or other ad networks or the bonus site you're going to get as a member. It's the fact that you can be doing a campaign, get stuck, post a question and get a good answer quickly and from a solid source who has been down the road you're going.

Btw, we are going to be giving away free CPV Coach memberships to all Mediabuyscoach members in the near future AND we're going to do a test of a $1 trial for 3 days too. (It will recur at full price if you don't cancel, but we'll show you how to cancel and you control the cancelling fully from your paypal account, you don't go through us to do it).

wh0kn0ws

ppc coach... if i have the money to spend on media buys say 20k to start is there a need for your course? i mean its seems quite simple.. when u have the cash flow u just need to create an account and get your ad rep to optimize it for whatever campaign you r running..

dropship

Overall, the concept behind media buys is quite simple. You find websites that rank high in the search engines for your keywords, email the webmaster of the site, and negotiate a price based on the traffic it gets and how big your ad is and the placement.

Sure there is a lot more detailed info than that, but trying the basics yourself is the best way to learn media buys first hand.

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cgtarga1

$200/mo doesn't sound unreasonable if you get answers to the not so obvious questions.

Such as...

• Should you run your own Ad server?
• Are there ad server discussions (both self hosted and ad networks)?
• How to contact and get the better ad server reps to work with you.
• After agreeing on a price, what are the technical details to having your ad server serve the ad to the publisher (e.g.code required)?

Are these subject matters covered in the forum?

GoldenEye

Hi, is your free trial along with fee access to CPV still available for me if I want to joing mediabuycoach

Player777

when is this free trial starting im interested in joining it?

PanamaRex

I was a member of MediaBuysCoach, and I can tell you it was a great place to go for support and education for someone who is new to the idea of media buys. Unfortunately, in the 5 months I was there, with a total spend of $1000 to MBC guys, I was unable to find media buys that were profitable enough to continue my membership but I am now working on a couple of different approaches using the methods they teach. I hope one day I can make this work and if/when I do, I hope to pick up where I left off which is something they allow if you need to pause your membership.

JustinDupre

Avoid like the plague if you want to make money. Take that $200 and do some small media buys of your own. That experience is worth much more than anything MBC could teach you.

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Player777

Did they help you with what you were doing wrong? did they answer your questions on why you couldnt make it work for you? would you reccommend others join them?

jonoman1

I agree that you can take that $200 and find much better ways to make money with it. Media buys have gotten a lot of buzz lately but it is nothing new and it is not that complex that even a newb can't go out there and try it on their own.

This coaching program has had mixed reviews but nothing stellar. Perhaps that is because the people that are in it are lazy, but either way, don't join any coaching program unless you have the time and dedication to give it your all.

I think people who join this coaching program and apply the principles WILL make money, but if you want everything to be done for you, you should look elsewhere.