I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions?

MattSteel · 10-25-2009, 12:38 PM

Congrats DUDE! How long have you been at this? For somone like me, new to the IM game, I am aware of he huge learning curve. When did you start getting serious about this field (not just this one PPC)? How many hours per week did you average in research and learning? Did you hav a mentor?

Thanks for the post!

blingblam · 10-25-2009, 01:41 PM

Wow thanks for all the info bro.
Right now I'm promoting the teeth whitening vertical... people get charged about $4 for shipping and handling and get a free trial. They need to give their credit card numbers + address info.

I didn't think the initial ad mattered too much for conversions. I always thought it was just meant to draw the reader to your landing page.

I have to start split testing landing pages, but I don't know how to do it except manually. I don't think I could use google optimizer because it goes to an affiliate offer.

Yea, I think it could be just the days I'm doing it on. Weekdays seemed alright... and I thought weekends would be even better. I was thinking that there might be a glitch with conversions or something (but that seems highly unlikely).

Wow, 40% to 60% CTR from landing page seems amazing. I guess I just have to tweak my landing page to get a higher CTR... Is there an easier way of split testing lp's? Or do I just create new campaigns for each Landing Page and test them that way?

Thanks again

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Originally Posted by joelraitt

Hey man, good questions.

1) What area are you promoting? Like are you getting people to bring out their credit cards? What kind on information are you getting form them to complete the CPA?

2) Your LP, your AD, along with the actually LP of the offer determines you overal convertions rate. It all matters for convertions.

3) Are you split testing your Landing Pages, you need your CTR at least above 40%, 60% is better. I am on my 7th split test for 2 on my capaigns. Each time I built a better LP. Thats more $ for me. And could be for you.

4) I always heard people say test at last 100 clicks...but on large demographics, or large keywords...100 clicks is nothing. If the campain in close to break een I like to run at least 500, maybe 1000 clicks to it over 2-3 days. I have had offers mak3 money every day but Sat and Sun. So its weird. Watch for patterns.

5) I had the exact same problem man, convertions, then non, id make money, then lose money. It cuold just be your ttype of offer. I asked my AM and he said it was known to be streaky. But if you work on your LP and your AD's to make it good enough then 1 day you only make 100, the next you make 500...rather then -100 or +50...? You know?

6) Good work getting the first pay bump.

7) Just remember, every extra CTR %, either on your ad or LP it MORE MONEY. More average earning per click ( Ave epc) which means you can bid more, wihc mean you can get more traffic, which means you can make .1 cent on 10000 clicks tahter then .3 on 100, or w/e. In the end you want to go WIDE. More poeple you serve the more $ you make.

Good luck man, your on the right path. I hope I answered it all.

Joel

joelraitt · 10-25-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MattSteel

Congrats DUDE! How long have you been at this? For somone like me, new to the IM game, I am aware of he huge learning curve. When did you start getting serious about this field (not just this one PPC)? How many hours per week did you average in research and learning? Did you hav a mentor?

Thanks for the post!

Thanks man, umm well I have always wanted a business, so I have read bi books and stuff like that since i was 18, im 23 now.

I got into the internet lightly less then a year ago. and i signed up for my first network in june i think. I was denied my application, and had to call and pretty much had to beg to get approved.

i pretty much started doing ppc then, with all sorts of traffic and offers, then found a combo that works good for me.

i spent ALOT of time, id work 8 hours a day at my job for 15 bucks an hour...then 5-10 hours after that working on the internet, learning, practicing, testing and all that.

its cool though, i still work part time at my job....but i make more in a day profit then i do in 2 weeks FULL time at work...lol well sometimes only do a weeks profit in a day...but still...i show upto work and have made more already then i do working the whole day.

yah i had a "mentor" if you can call him that, hes like one of my best friends now, we hang and party all the time. were actually going to NY together for a internet convention at the start of Nov.

hope this helps.

joelraitt · 10-25-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blingblam

Wow thanks for all the info bro.
Right now I'm promoting the teeth whitening vertical... people get charged about $4 for shipping and handling and get a free trial. They need to give their credit card numbers + address info.

I didn't think the initial ad mattered too much for conversions. I always thought it was just meant to draw the reader to your landing page.

I have to start split testing landing pages, but I don't know how to do it except manually. I don't think I could use google optimizer because it goes to an affiliate offer.

Yea, I think it could be just the days I'm doing it on. Weekdays seemed alright... and I thought weekends would be even better. I was thinking that there might be a glitch with conversions or something (but that seems highly unlikely).

Wow, 40% to 60% CTR from landing page seems amazing. I guess I just have to tweak my landing page to get a higher CTR... Is there an easier way of split testing lp's? Or do I just create new campaigns for each Landing Page and test them that way?

Thanks again

Well if your doing teeth whitening...your ctr will prob be a bit lower then that b/c of th eneed for a credit card to pay. it sketches people out. are you runing it on google? id be carful man, they might ban you. and when they ban you, you basically need a new life to start up with them again.

as for split testing just search for a .php split testing script, its actually like 6 lines of code or less. real simple.

what program do you use to track everything right now? i hope its tracking 202...or prosper 202

you got to be doing all this stuff man, the internet does not just dump piles of money on anyone who makes a link. thats why 97% of affilaites fail ( guessed that number) b/c they dont do the work. and follow the system.

good luck bro

Kenster · 10-25-2009, 08:26 PM

Google will typically only care if you are directing people straight to the landing page. If you funnel the user through a few pages, yes conversions will suffer a bit, but you will have no problems with google.

The key is that you want to provide value to the people who are searching for your keywords on google. Google is all about value and relevance. This means you cant just try and come right out and sell people on a rebill. This is not value because most rebills are sketchy and you arent offering any information, just trying to pitch a sale.

So you must create content that helps users out. Google is okay with you being an affiliate and okay with affiliates making money, but only if its valuable and/or relevant to the searcher.

So, focus on working with googles policies and focus on providing value. In the back of your mind you should always be thinking how you can make money, but the key to getting a good quality score and cheaper clicks is to not lose sight of the need to deliver value.

And yes, most affiliate fail because they aren't willing to put in the initial work. But those who do put in the work reap some serious rewards.

best of luck all!

joelraitt · 10-25-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenster

Google will typically only care if you are directing people straight to the landing page. If you funnel the user through a few pages, yes conversions will suffer a bit, but you will have no problems with google.

The key is that you want to provide value to the people who are searching for your keywords on google. Google is all about value and relevance. This means you cant just try and come right out and sell people on a rebill. This is not value because most rebills are sketchy and you arent offering any information, just trying to pitch a sale.

So you must create content that helps users out. Google is okay with you being an affiliate and okay with affiliates making money, but only if its valuable and/or relevant to the searcher.

So, focus on working with googles policies and focus on providing value. In the back of your mind you should always be thinking how you can make money, but the key to getting a good quality score and cheaper clicks is to not lose sight of the need to deliver value.

And yes, most affiliate fail because they aren't willing to put in the initial work. But those who do put in the work reap some serious rewards.

best of luck all!

Ummm...OK man, you seem pretty smart...are you running rebills on google? I seriously doubt it...can people? Yah, but it gets sketchy redirecting the links from the google reviewers and so on.

Anyways, good luck running rebills...how is charging people $80 14 days later then another 80+ every month with them not knowing providing value? Thats why google will ban your ass. Unless you have unreal techniqual skills, I would not try it.

And more pages does not mean les convertions...lol it could mean more if you make the right pages...there are no really general rules like that...it all depends...

blingblam · 10-25-2009, 10:43 PM

Nah I'm not risking running the rebills on google. Too worried about the google slap...

I'm only doing media buys right now. No google stuff at all. But I have seen quite a few rebill landing pages on google's advertising network ( so not sure why they let some people do it and others can't).

I actually prefer doing media buys right now because the rules are a lot less stringent.

Thanks

chimeara27 · 10-25-2009, 11:37 PM

That's impressive! Well done...yeah one question...how did you do that?

joelraitt · 10-26-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blingblam

Nah I'm not risking running the rebills on google. Too worried about the google slap...

I'm only doing media buys right now. No google stuff at all. But I have seen quite a few rebill landing pages on google's advertising network ( so not sure why they let some people do it and others can't).

I actually prefer doing media buys right now because the rules are a lot less stringent.

Thanks

Yah its true...and they dont let people do rebills...you have to trick them by cloaking your links. I dont know how to do it on Google, you have to know your .php programming. Most people wouldnt even sell it to you.

GuitarPlayerWorld · 10-26-2009, 01:05 AM

Wow... Well done... I am a begnniner at CPA networks. Hope to be as successful as you guys

trafficguru · 10-26-2009, 02:29 AM

Great job Joel. Its hard to believe though that you went from newbie to doing $60,000 in sales in one month. Did strategies and keywords all of a sudden pop into your head?

RichPirate · 10-26-2009, 03:51 AM

Thats great encouragement. 40,000 is a huge investment though.

Cash37 · 10-26-2009, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenster

]Google is okay with you being an affiliate

Bull****.

Excuse my french.

Kenster · 10-26-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by joelraitt

Ummm...OK man, you seem pretty smart...are you running rebills on google? I seriously doubt it...can people? Yah, but it gets sketchy redirecting the links from the google reviewers and so on.

Anyways, good luck running rebills...how is charging people $80 14 days later then another 80+ every month with them not knowing providing value? Thats why google will ban your ass. Unless you have unreal techniqual skills, I would not try it.

And more pages does not mean les convertions...lol it could mean more if you make the right pages...there are no really general rules like that...it all depends...

You can ABSOLUTELY run rebills on google you just cant come right out and do it. You dont have to trick anybody, you just have to front your campaigns with useful content. The actual offer has to be downstream a bit.

And YES, many rebills are completely sketch and not legit. The two that I do are perfectly legit and are a good product and the other one a good service....its not a sketchy no-way-to-cancel acai product or something. Before you start bashing I would get the facts straight.

And no I dont have crazy technical skills. Just a bit of creativity and great work ethic.

Yes, if you are funneling visitors through more pages, in general IT DOES sacrifice conversions. This IS a general rule but as you said it is not always the case. To help newbies out, I thought it appropriate to explain that in general, if you are leading prospects from one page to another to another, at each step normally more people drop out of your funnel. Of course the more pages doesnt always mean less ocnversions because then you would never see a pre-sell page from a banner link.

And Google is perfectly fine with this process. I have open communication with a few of the reps and assuming you arent doing anything shady or deceiving people or doing sketchy offers (like most of the rebills), they are completely fine.

My point was that I am trying to teach newbies that there is still a way to make money honestly and legit via ppc.

best of luck all!

Kenster · 10-26-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cash37

Bull****.

Excuse my french.

They make a ton from affiliate marketers. They just hate sketchy offers and directly selling people straight from the search engine.

Cash37, Try and work with the rules and I bet you will find some good things to come.

best of luck

RCrooke · 10-26-2009, 10:13 AM

Wow, congrats on the success Joe. I became to frustrated with PPC, now I am looking to build list so I can make that average $1 per person on my list. I am working on a product to offer free, and in return ask them to opt in. The value will be huge, I plan to later charge for the product.

Thanks...

Richard

Jeff Scott · 10-26-2009, 01:03 PM

Hey Joel,

Congrats on your success. I've been in IM for awhile, but just starting to test out CPA via PPC. I'm testing my first Adwords->CPA offer right now....curious to get your feedback on my strategy, and then I have a few questions:

Strategy: Create new domain (with main keyword in domain), build various pages with content (pulled from eZineArticles) to help with Google QS, put in a Privacy policy, contact us, etc. Then create individual landing pages per traffic source so I can segment my tracking...I'm only testing Adwords search & content (and tracking via Excel, not 202 yet). I drive traffic to my page, capture email onto my list to do reoccurring marketing with similar offers, then send them to the main email submit offer (with email pre-populated). Also using a popular Traffic Regeneration script to capture the non-interested folks.

Questions for you:

1. Do you find it best to do the $4ish leads, or have you had luck with email/zip submits?
2. My FB ads just got disapproved, but it was because I was using traffic regenerator (not anymore). Any tips on FB ads (how you segment, best images to use, getting cheaper clicks, etc)
3. Can you tell me who you're mentor is/was? I think doing it yourself and testing is still the best, but it's always nice to have someone to guide you in the right direction
4. Outside of FB ads, any luck in Adwords, YSN, MSN adcenter, or CPV networks, or straight media buys?

Congrats again on taking action and finding that winning combination...time to diversify and scale up!

- Jeff

4.

Neil Barrett · 10-26-2009, 01:12 PM

This is for newbies

I think the OP is right you can make great money with PPC but if you don't know what you're doing it can suck money from you .. it's very easy to say you have to be prepared to lose $300 - $500 on a campaign but if you do that on 10 it's a lot of money.

If you don't know how to write a good ad, don't know how to split test and most importantly know how to track keywords and conversions so that you can get the cost per click down and throwaway non converting keywords then PPC can be very very difficult and costly. Just throwing money at a camapign does not mean it will work.

It obviously can and does work (or google wouldn't be the giants they are) but for Newbs you must be careful and know exactly what you are doing and what you need to know before you start.

I say all this from experience .. no one told me this information when I first started and I lost a fair bit before I understood how to make a profitable campaign

Preben Frenning · 10-26-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by joelraitt

Yah its true...and they dont let people do rebills...you have to trick them by cloaking your links. I dont know how to do it on Google, you have to know your .php programming. Most people wouldnt even sell it to you.

I think this wordpress plugin does it. Affiliate Link Cloaker and URL Shortener - Wordpress plugin
I haven't tried it, but from the looks of it, it's supposed to cloak links from search engines.

@Jeff Scott - How do you make the email submit's pre-populated? (If that means it automatically fills in their email?)
Looks like you have a great plan there anyways

And how does the traffic regenerator work?/What does it do?
Also, I've heard that MSN adcenter is a bit underrated for CPA, and it looks as if CPV is "The new thing"

Cash37 · 10-26-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenster

They make a ton from affiliate marketers. They just hate sketchy offers and directly selling people straight from the search engine.

Cash37, Try and work with the rules and I bet you will find some good things to come.

best of luck

You'll get QS'd and eventually banned, period.

Google's organic rankings are becoming just as bad as well.

Cash37 · 10-26-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenster

You can ABSOLUTELY run rebills on google you just cant come right out and do it. You dont have to trick anybody, you just have to front your campaigns with useful content. The actual offer has to be downstream a bit.

And YES, many rebills are completely sketch and not legit. The two that I do are perfectly legit and are a good product and the other one a good service....its not a sketchy no-way-to-cancel acai product or something. Before you start bashing I would get the facts straight.

And no I dont have crazy technical skills. Just a bit of creativity and great work ethic.

Yes, if you are funneling visitors through more pages, in general IT DOES sacrifice conversions. This IS a general rule but as you said it is not always the case. To help newbies out, I thought it appropriate to explain that in general, if you are leading prospects from one page to another to another, at each step normally more people drop out of your funnel. Of course the more pages doesnt always mean less ocnversions because then you would never see a pre-sell page from a banner link.

And Google is perfectly fine with this process. I have open communication with a few of the reps and assuming you arent doing anything shady or deceiving people or doing sketchy offers (like most of the rebills), they are completely fine.

My point was that I am trying to teach newbies that there is still a way to make money honestly and legit via ppc.

best of luck all!

The more practical way to do this is to cloak your LP with the offer page until your caught. Youll make more $$$$$. Why spend your money educating the visitor through 3-4 pages when your goal is to get them to whip out that CC on the merchant's page? There's NO point

Jeff Scott · 10-26-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Preben Frenning

@Jeff Scott - How do you make the email submit's pre-populated? (If that means it automatically fills in their email?)

Good question...some networks allow you to do "pre-pops" which is pre-population of the ZIP or EMAIL field. Every network is going to be different, but it's basically a variable in the URL (no different than a SubId). For instance, Flux mainly uses "em" so the link would be similar to:

domain.com/offer.html&em=noway@jose.com

I use AWeber for list management, so I capture the email on my side into my autoresponder series, then push out to the link and populate the email form on the advertiser's site. That way they only need to click the submit button (it would be weird user experience to enter your email twice)

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And how does the traffic regenerator work?/What does it do?

Check out TrafficRegenerator.com and you can see what the intent is...basically as people are leaving your site it does a page curl, drop down, etc. This is highly recommended by Gauher Chaudhry, and conceptually it makes sense, so I'm testing it out.

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Also, I've heard that MSN adcenter is a bit underrated for CPA, and it looks as if CPV is "The new thing"

MSN is decent, just don't expect floods of traffic. If something is profitable, then use it...I don't care if I make $1 or $100 from it...as long as my ROI is what I want then I'm fine. CPV has been around for awhile, it's just starting to get more products created by "gurus" which is why you're hearing more about it now (my guess anyway)

joelraitt · 10-26-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by trafficguru

Great job Joel. Its hard to believe though that you went from newbie to doing $60,000 in sales in one month. Did strategies and keywords all of a sudden pop into your head?

Ummm...not really...just learned what ads people liked, if you read the thread youd know i dont use keywords...

joelraitt · 10-26-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Barrett

This is for newbies

I think the OP is right you can make great money with PPC but if you don't know what you're doing it can suck money from you .. it's very easy to say you have to be prepared to lose $300 - $500 on a campaign but if you do that on 10 it's a lot of money.

If you don't know how to write a good ad, don't know how to split test and most importantly know how to track keywords and conversions so that you can get the cost per click down and throwaway non converting keywords then PPC can be very very difficult and costly. Just throwing money at a camapign does not mean it will work.

It obviously can and does work (or google wouldn't be the giants they are) but for Newbs you must be careful and know exactly what you are doing and what you need to know before you start.

I say all this from experience .. no one told me this information when I first started and I lost a fair bit before I understood how to make a profitable campaign

Totally agree...I lost $ at first to...not to much a few hundred...I have 2000 i was willing to invest in practice. My advice is to spend w/e amount you can on PPC and LEARN from testing rather then buying ebooks on warrior forum with that money and trying to nickle and dime your way to wealth with SEO.

joelraitt · 10-26-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

Hey Joel,

Congrats on your success. I've been in IM for awhile, but just starting to test out CPA via PPC. I'm testing my first Adwords->CPA offer right now....curious to get your feedback on my strategy, and then I have a few questions:

Strategy: Create new domain (with main keyword in domain), build various pages with content (pulled from eZineArticles) to help with Google QS, put in a Privacy policy, contact us, etc. Then create individual landing pages per traffic source so I can segment my tracking...I'm only testing Adwords search & content (and tracking via Excel, not 202 yet). I drive traffic to my page, capture email onto my list to do reoccurring marketing with similar offers, then send them to the main email submit offer (with email pre-populated). Also using a popular Traffic Regeneration script to capture the non-interested folks.

Questions for you:

1. Do you find it best to do the $4ish leads, or have you had luck with email/zip submits?
2. My FB ads just got disapproved, but it was because I was using traffic regenerator (not anymore). Any tips on FB ads (how you segment, best images to use, getting cheaper clicks, etc)
3. Can you tell me who you're mentor is/was? I think doing it yourself and testing is still the best, but it's always nice to have someone to guide you in the right direction
4. Outside of FB ads, any luck in Adwords, YSN, MSN adcenter, or CPV networks, or straight media buys?

Congrats again on taking action and finding that winning combination...time to diversify and scale up!

- Jeff

4.

1. Do you find it best to do the $4ish leads, or have you had luck with email/zip submits?

My first promo was email submits, I could never get cheap enough clicks with large enough demos to make it worth my time. Not on FB anyways.

2. My FB ads just got disapproved, but it was because I was using traffic regenerator (not anymore). Any tips on FB ads (how you segment, best images to use, getting cheaper clicks, etc)

Ummm...depending on the offer really, I like to make 2 or 3 ads per campaign all with same headline, but dif pictures or vise vera and then let them compete...1 ad usually pulls ahead of the rest. Pause the others.

3. Can you tell me who you're mentor is/was? I think doing it yourself and testing is still the best, but it's always nice to have someone to guide you in the right direction

Nope, I can't hes like one of my best friends now, noone really knows he does IM, so I cant say anything. And yah it helped so much to have his help. Unreal. Get a mentor somehow.

4. Outside of FB ads, any luck in Adwords, YSN, MSN adcenter, or CPV networks, or straight media buys?

I'm just stating to look into other traffic sources, I ahve done some smaller media buys and had OK success...I decided to master FB then move on. Im flying to NY for the Adtech convention to find new traffic.

Hope this helps, good luck!

joelraitt · 10-26-2009, 04:21 PM

"Wow, congrats on the success Joe. I became to frustrated with PPC, now I am looking to build list so I can make that average $1 per person on my list. I am working on a product to offer free, and in return ask them to opt in. The value will be huge, I plan to later charge for the product."

I did the e-mail thing with SEO before, if anything build your list with PPC. GOod luck man, everyone finds there own way in the end...that just was not mine. Lots of people do it that way.

kindsvater · 10-26-2009, 04:53 PM

Congrats.

Just make sure you're not overextended. That is - Google gets your money and then you don't later get paid. That would be devastating. It happens.

$45k in expenses to make $12k in income?

In the 'physical' world for many industries that would be a really good ROI. For online PPC, though, in my experience over the years that's really bad. BUT - that appears to be the future. One of the reasons PPC will continue to get harder and harder is because people are willing to accept lower ROI and/or they live in a country with a relatively low standard of living such that making $100 bucks is a lot more valuable than it is to people in other countries.

Seriously, though, good job.

Jeff Scott · 10-26-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joelraitt

2. My FB ads just got disapproved, but it was because I was using traffic regenerator (not anymore). Any tips on FB ads (how you segment, best images to use, getting cheaper clicks, etc)

Ummm...depending on the offer really, I like to make 2 or 3 ads per campaign all with same headline, but dif pictures or vise vera and then let them compete...1 ad usually pulls ahead of the rest. Pause the others.

Thanks for your feedback Joel. Do you direct link from FB to the offer, or to your site first to capture email, presell, etc?

Kenster · 10-26-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cash37

You'll get QS'd and eventually banned, period.

Google's organic rankings are becoming just as bad as well.

That is completely false, period

If you arent doing a sketchy rebill and have everything legit as I said you will be fine. I have spoken with adwords reps often and they are fine with it. I have never been banned and dont plan on getting banned anytime soon. I am 100% transparent with adwords reps and they are 100% fine with it.

Without knowing what offer im doing, its pretty hard to credibly bash. If you are successfull at what your doing, good on you. Im going to continue what im doing.

As I have stressed, stay within googles TOS and you will be good to go.

Kenster · 10-26-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cash37

The more practical way to do this is to cloak your LP with the offer page until your caught. Youll make more $$$$$. Why spend your money educating the visitor through 3-4 pages when your goal is to get them to whip out that CC on the merchant's page? There's NO point

I would rather spend the money educating my visitor if it means staying whitehat and playing by the rules. The point for my business is to create sustainability. For my business this includes keeping everything whitehat, mitigating risk, and creating multiple yet seperate income streams.

There is plenty of oppotunity for everybody to make tons of money whitehat, so whats the point in heading down the BlueFart path. I would rather sleep well at night and thats why all the offers I now promote are good offers that I believe in. And this includes rebills, there are many good valuable rebills. Think about it for a while...not acai and bs like that but good rebills with no shady small print and hidden memberships that automatically get enrolled in.

Good lucksters to all

joelraitt · 10-26-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

Thanks for your feedback Joel. Do you direct link from FB to the offer, or to your site first to capture email, presell, etc?

I usually test both, if the offer page looks good and has enough info ill try Dling, if not i build 2 lp's and start testing. I dont capture any emails anymore, although I should be...maybe ill start that up when i have time

thanks and good luck!

joel

Cash37 · 10-26-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenster

That is completely false, period

If you arent doing a sketchy rebill and have everything legit as I said you will be fine. I have spoken with adwords reps often and they are fine with it. I have never been banned and dont plan on getting banned anytime soon. I am 100% transparent with adwords reps and they are 100% fine with it.

Without knowing what offer im doing, its pretty hard to credibly bash. If you are successfull at what your doing, good on you. Im going to continue what im doing.

As I have stressed, stay within googles TOS and you will be good to go.

If you think Google cares about your little affiliate business, more power to you.

harpreetrock · 10-27-2009, 12:46 AM

You said that you dont use google..then what is the other source..can u share..I feel that most of them are using google. is it yahoo, FB, or other that you can say?

Shift · 10-27-2009, 02:39 AM

He's already said that it's FB ads.

Shift · 10-27-2009, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cash37

You'll get QS'd and eventually banned, period.
Google's organic rankings are becoming just as bad as well.

I tried previously DL some google ppc campaigns but the CPC is too high and the QS too low.
But google still allows it (it's your choice).

On the other hand if you try it in Yahoo they don't allow it. They will disapprove your ad right away and won't run it at all. This only applies to certain offers though.

joelraitt · 10-27-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by harpreetrock

You said that you dont use google..then what is the other source..can u share..I feel that most of them are using google. is it yahoo, FB, or other that you can say?

You wont make it in Internet Marketing if you cant even read the whole post where I tell you what I have used....I should note, I do use other sources as well.

joelraitt · 10-27-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by John Waits

Keep her up!

This has been my best month online so far as well....

Made about almost $500 this month! ($400 in the last week)

So I know how you feel man!

I love waking up to those "notification of payments received" emails!

FEED YOUR BRAIN

That's wicked man, its a fun game once you start winning, although, its frustrating when your not!

steven seven · 10-28-2009, 04:55 AM

Joel thanks for sharing. I learn a lot from here.

dnsg · 10-28-2009, 04:50 PM

I wish I had a couple of affiliates like you promoting my products. Heck, I'd love just 1 half as good as you.

simonj007 · 10-29-2009, 06:43 PM

I've been running on FB since May and do approx $15,000/month in rev....7/8k is profit.
Great thread Joel,

I'm just looking to scale things now and wondered how many ads per campaign do you run? I've only targeted broad demographics too...not tried to narrow them down.

I'm running 4 campigns each with approx 20 ads for the $15k....

How does yours look for the $45k....many more?

PM me if you like..

Regards,
Simon

christinne · 10-30-2009, 01:29 AM

Oh..great, do you use PPC to get visitors to your offer ?

kirbymurphy · 10-30-2009, 05:03 PM

What is rebill?

My target narket is small businesses that need marketing and office services. Would FB be a viable ad platform or can anyone rec a better place to run ads?

Right now I'm coasting on a clean E-mail list and a few drop-ins on business boards but want to begin the ramp-up.

I thought about banners through AdBrite but haven't heard good or bad about them.

Thanks for the info gang!

robfoster · 10-30-2009, 05:11 PM

This is great from 27$ to such high ? I'm newbie and i'll need lots of help with stuff to make it more than that. You really good at methods you adopted.

Kenster · 10-30-2009, 06:18 PM

Hi RobFoster...There is huge money in cpa, you just need to put in some good work to get things going. Start reading and keep implementing and you will be fine...

welcome to cpa!

joelraitt · 10-30-2009, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simonj007

I've been running on FB since May and do approx $15,000/month in rev....7/8k is profit.
Great thread Joel,

I'm just looking to scale things now and wondered how many ads per campaign do you run? I've only targeted broad demographics too...not tried to narrow them down.

I'm running 4 campigns each with approx 20 ads for the $15k....

How does yours look for the $45k....many more?

PM me if you like..

Regards,
Simon

Hey man, nice numbers!

It really changes all the time man, maybe 5 or 6 ads per campain? But then after like 30-40 million impressions they start to slow down. Just kind of keep going with w/e. When i hit an ad thats a gold mine...i just run with it...fewer awesome ads is better then lots of crapy ones i think.

good work

joelraitt · 10-30-2009, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfoster

This is great from 27$ to such high ? I'm newbie and i'll need lots of help with stuff to make it more than that. You really good at methods you adopted.

All the help you need is free on the internet and asking other people. Anyone can do it. Just takes time, effort, some brains and maybe even a little luck.

joelraitt · 10-30-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by christinne

Oh..great, do you use PPC to get visitors to your offer ?

Again...dont ask questions without reading the thread...it waste my time and yours. If you want to make it in internet markinging you cant be to lazy to read a thread that pretty much shows you how i went from 27 revenues and like -300 income to now 80 000 revenue this money and almost 20,000 profit....

read the dam thread first...before asking stuff...pleease

divinewind · 10-30-2009, 08:40 PM

What's the best way to get conversions in PPC...

As in is there a special way you should design your landing page? any tips or suggestions?

thuxen · 10-30-2009, 11:29 PM

Well done dude, you mentioned Costa Rica, if thats the network your referring to, then you've given that away too!

joelraitt · 10-31-2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by divinewind

What's the best way to get conversions in PPC...

As in is there a special way you should design your landing page? any tips or suggestions?

Really just make it look legit, if you wouldnt sfill it out...no one else will...and always split test and keep improving your pages!

I keep them short with lots of bullet points, no need to type alot.

Good luck

10-25-2009, 12:38 PM	#101
MattSteel Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOVA outside DC Posts: 23 Thanks: 16 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Congrats DUDE! How long have you been at this? For somone like me, new to the IM game, I am aware of he huge learning curve. When did you start getting serious about this field (not just this one PPC)? How many hours per week did you average in research and learning? Did you hav a mentor? Thanks for the post!

10-25-2009, 08:26 PM	#105
Kenster Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United States...NJ Posts: 531 Thanks: 20 Thanked 62 Times in 54 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Google will typically only care if you are directing people straight to the landing page. If you funnel the user through a few pages, yes conversions will suffer a bit, but you will have no problems with google. The key is that you want to provide value to the people who are searching for your keywords on google. Google is all about value and relevance. This means you cant just try and come right out and sell people on a rebill. This is not value because most rebills are sketchy and you arent offering any information, just trying to pitch a sale. So you must create content that helps users out. Google is okay with you being an affiliate and okay with affiliates making money, but only if its valuable and/or relevant to the searcher. So, focus on working with googles policies and focus on providing value. In the back of your mind you should always be thinking how you can make money, but the key to getting a good quality score and cheaper clicks is to not lose sight of the need to deliver value. And yes, most affiliate fail because they aren't willing to put in the initial work. But those who do put in the work reap some serious rewards. best of luck all!

10-25-2009, 10:43 PM	#107
blingblam Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 49 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Nah I'm not risking running the rebills on google. Too worried about the google slap... I'm only doing media buys right now. No google stuff at all. But I have seen quite a few rebill landing pages on google's advertising network ( so not sure why they let some people do it and others can't). I actually prefer doing media buys right now because the rules are a lot less stringent. Thanks

10-25-2009, 11:37 PM	#108
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10-26-2009, 01:05 AM	#110
GuitarPlayerWorld Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Wow... Well done... I am a begnniner at CPA networks. Hope to be as successful as you guys

10-26-2009, 02:29 AM	#111
trafficguru Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 82 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Great job Joel. Its hard to believe though that you went from newbie to doing $60,000 in sales in one month. Did strategies and keywords all of a sudden pop into your head?

10-26-2009, 03:51 AM	#112
RichPirate Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 67 Thanks: 6 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Thats great encouragement. 40,000 is a huge investment though.

10-26-2009, 10:13 AM	#116
RCrooke Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Wow, congrats on the success Joe. I became to frustrated with PPC, now I am looking to build list so I can make that average $1 per person on my list. I am working on a product to offer free, and in return ask them to opt in. The value will be huge, I plan to later charge for the product. Thanks... Richard
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10-26-2009, 01:03 PM	#117
Jeff Scott FirebirdSEO.com War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 99 Thanks: 2 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts Social Networking	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Hey Joel, Congrats on your success. I've been in IM for awhile, but just starting to test out CPA via PPC. I'm testing my first Adwords->CPA offer right now....curious to get your feedback on my strategy, and then I have a few questions: Strategy: Create new domain (with main keyword in domain), build various pages with content (pulled from eZineArticles) to help with Google QS, put in a Privacy policy, contact us, etc. Then create individual landing pages per traffic source so I can segment my tracking...I'm only testing Adwords search & content (and tracking via Excel, not 202 yet). I drive traffic to my page, capture email onto my list to do reoccurring marketing with similar offers, then send them to the main email submit offer (with email pre-populated). Also using a popular Traffic Regeneration script to capture the non-interested folks. Questions for you: 1. Do you find it best to do the $4ish leads, or have you had luck with email/zip submits? 2. My FB ads just got disapproved, but it was because I was using traffic regenerator (not anymore). Any tips on FB ads (how you segment, best images to use, getting cheaper clicks, etc) 3. Can you tell me who you're mentor is/was? I think doing it yourself and testing is still the best, but it's always nice to have someone to guide you in the right direction 4. Outside of FB ads, any luck in Adwords, YSN, MSN adcenter, or CPV networks, or straight media buys? Congrats again on taking action and finding that winning combination...time to diversify and scale up! - Jeff 4.
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10-26-2009, 01:12 PM	#118
Neil Barrett Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? This is for newbies I think the OP is right you can make great money with PPC but if you don't know what you're doing it can suck money from you .. it's very easy to say you have to be prepared to lose $300 - $500 on a campaign but if you do that on 10 it's a lot of money. If you don't know how to write a good ad, don't know how to split test and most importantly know how to track keywords and conversions so that you can get the cost per click down and throwaway non converting keywords then PPC can be very very difficult and costly. Just throwing money at a camapign does not mean it will work. It obviously can and does work (or google wouldn't be the giants they are) but for Newbs you must be careful and know exactly what you are doing and what you need to know before you start. I say all this from experience .. no one told me this information when I first started and I lost a fair bit before I understood how to make a profitable campaign

10-26-2009, 04:21 PM	#126
joelraitt Master Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 148 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? "Wow, congrats on the success Joe. I became to frustrated with PPC, now I am looking to build list so I can make that average $1 per person on my list. I am working on a product to offer free, and in return ask them to opt in. The value will be huge, I plan to later charge for the product." I did the e-mail thing with SEO before, if anything build your list with PPC. GOod luck man, everyone finds there own way in the end...that just was not mine. Lots of people do it that way.
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10-26-2009, 04:53 PM	#127
kindsvater Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jedi Temple Posts: 1,340 Blog Entries: 12 Thanks: 4 Thanked 315 Times in 71 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Congrats. Just make sure you're not overextended. That is - Google gets your money and then you don't later get paid. That would be devastating. It happens. $45k in expenses to make $12k in income? In the 'physical' world for many industries that would be a really good ROI. For online PPC, though, in my experience over the years that's really bad. BUT - that appears to be the future. One of the reasons PPC will continue to get harder and harder is because people are willing to accept lower ROI and/or they live in a country with a relatively low standard of living such that making $100 bucks is a lot more valuable than it is to people in other countries. Seriously, though, good job.
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10-27-2009, 12:46 AM	#133
harpreetrock Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? You said that you dont use google..then what is the other source..can u share..I feel that most of them are using google. is it yahoo, FB, or other that you can say?

10-27-2009, 02:39 AM	#134
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10-28-2009, 04:55 AM	#138
steven seven Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Joel thanks for sharing. I learn a lot from here.

10-28-2009, 04:50 PM	#139
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10-29-2009, 06:43 PM	#140
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10-30-2009, 01:29 AM	#141
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10-30-2009, 05:03 PM	#142
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10-30-2009, 05:11 PM	#143
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10-30-2009, 06:18 PM	#144
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10-30-2009, 08:40 PM	#148
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10-30-2009, 11:29 PM	#149
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