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Nah I'm not risking running the rebills on google. Too worried about the google slap... I'm only doing media buys right now. No google stuff at all. But I have seen quite a few rebill landing pages on google's advertising network ( so not sure why they let some people do it and others can't). I actually prefer doing media buys right now because the rules are a lot less stringent. Thanks |
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That's impressive! Well done...yeah one question...how did you do that?
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Wow... Well done... I am a begnniner at CPA networks. Hope to be as successful as you guys
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Great job Joel. Its hard to believe though that you went from newbie to doing $60,000 in sales in one month. Did strategies and keywords all of a sudden pop into your head?
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Thats great encouragement. 40,000 is a huge investment though.
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You can ABSOLUTELY run rebills on google you just cant come right out and do it. You dont have to trick anybody, you just have to front your campaigns with useful content. The actual offer has to be downstream a bit. And YES, many rebills are completely sketch and not legit. The two that I do are perfectly legit and are a good product and the other one a good service....its not a sketchy no-way-to-cancel acai product or something. Before you start bashing I would get the facts straight. And no I dont have crazy technical skills. Just a bit of creativity and great work ethic. Yes, if you are funneling visitors through more pages, in general IT DOES sacrifice conversions. This IS a general rule but as you said it is not always the case. To help newbies out, I thought it appropriate to explain that in general, if you are leading prospects from one page to another to another, at each step normally more people drop out of your funnel. Of course the more pages doesnt always mean less ocnversions because then you would never see a pre-sell page from a banner link. And Google is perfectly fine with this process. I have open communication with a few of the reps and assuming you arent doing anything shady or deceiving people or doing sketchy offers (like most of the rebills), they are completely fine. My point was that I am trying to teach newbies that there is still a way to make money honestly and legit via ppc. best of luck all! | |
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They make a ton from affiliate marketers. They just hate sketchy offers and directly selling people straight from the search engine. Cash37, Try and work with the rules and I bet you will find some good things to come. best of luck | |
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Wow, congrats on the success Joe. I became to frustrated with PPC, now I am looking to build list so I can make that average $1 per person on my list. I am working on a product to offer free, and in return ask them to opt in. The value will be huge, I plan to later charge for the product. Thanks... Richard |
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Hey Joel, Congrats on your success. I've been in IM for awhile, but just starting to test out CPA via PPC. I'm testing my first Adwords->CPA offer right now....curious to get your feedback on my strategy, and then I have a few questions: Strategy: Create new domain (with main keyword in domain), build various pages with content (pulled from eZineArticles) to help with Google QS, put in a Privacy policy, contact us, etc. Then create individual landing pages per traffic source so I can segment my tracking...I'm only testing Adwords search & content (and tracking via Excel, not 202 yet). I drive traffic to my page, capture email onto my list to do reoccurring marketing with similar offers, then send them to the main email submit offer (with email pre-populated). Also using a popular Traffic Regeneration script to capture the non-interested folks. Questions for you: 1. Do you find it best to do the $4ish leads, or have you had luck with email/zip submits? 2. My FB ads just got disapproved, but it was because I was using traffic regenerator (not anymore). Any tips on FB ads (how you segment, best images to use, getting cheaper clicks, etc) 3. Can you tell me who you're mentor is/was? I think doing it yourself and testing is still the best, but it's always nice to have someone to guide you in the right direction 4. Outside of FB ads, any luck in Adwords, YSN, MSN adcenter, or CPV networks, or straight media buys? Congrats again on taking action and finding that winning combination...time to diversify and scale up! - Jeff 4. |
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This is for newbies I think the OP is right you can make great money with PPC but if you don't know what you're doing it can suck money from you .. it's very easy to say you have to be prepared to lose $300 - $500 on a campaign but if you do that on 10 it's a lot of money. If you don't know how to write a good ad, don't know how to split test and most importantly know how to track keywords and conversions so that you can get the cost per click down and throwaway non converting keywords then PPC can be very very difficult and costly. Just throwing money at a camapign does not mean it will work. It obviously can and does work (or google wouldn't be the giants they are) but for Newbs you must be careful and know exactly what you are doing and what you need to know before you start. I say all this from experience .. no one told me this information when I first started and I lost a fair bit before I understood how to make a profitable campaign |
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I haven't tried it, but from the looks of it, it's supposed to cloak links from search engines. @Jeff Scott - How do you make the email submit's pre-populated? (If that means it automatically fills in their email?) Looks like you have a great plan there anyways  And how does the traffic regenerator work?/What does it do? Also, I've heard that MSN adcenter is a bit underrated for CPA, and it looks as if CPV is "The new thing"  | |
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1. Do you find it best to do the $4ish leads, or have you had luck with email/zip submits? My first promo was email submits, I could never get cheap enough clicks with large enough demos to make it worth my time. Not on FB anyways. 2. My FB ads just got disapproved, but it was because I was using traffic regenerator (not anymore). Any tips on FB ads (how you segment, best images to use, getting cheaper clicks, etc) Ummm...depending on the offer really, I like to make 2 or 3 ads per campaign all with same headline, but dif pictures or vise vera and then let them compete...1 ad usually pulls ahead of the rest. Pause the others. 3. Can you tell me who you're mentor is/was? I think doing it yourself and testing is still the best, but it's always nice to have someone to guide you in the right direction Nope, I can't hes like one of my best friends now, noone really knows he does IM, so I cant say anything. And yah it helped so much to have his help. Unreal. Get a mentor somehow. 4. Outside of FB ads, any luck in Adwords, YSN, MSN adcenter, or CPV networks, or straight media buys? I'm just stating to look into other traffic sources, I ahve done some smaller media buys and had OK success...I decided to master FB then move on. Im flying to NY for the Adtech convention to find new traffic. Hope this helps, good luck! | |
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"Wow, congrats on the success Joe. I became to frustrated with PPC, now I am looking to build list so I can make that average $1 per person on my list. I am working on a product to offer free, and in return ask them to opt in. The value will be huge, I plan to later charge for the product." I did the e-mail thing with SEO before, if anything build your list with PPC. GOod luck man, everyone finds there own way in the end...that just was not mine. Lots of people do it that way. |
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Congrats. Just make sure you're not overextended. That is - Google gets your money and then you don't later get paid. That would be devastating. It happens. $45k in expenses to make $12k in income? In the 'physical' world for many industries that would be a really good ROI. For online PPC, though, in my experience over the years that's really bad. BUT - that appears to be the future. One of the reasons PPC will continue to get harder and harder is because people are willing to accept lower ROI and/or they live in a country with a relatively low standard of living such that making $100 bucks is a lot more valuable than it is to people in other countries. Seriously, though, good job. |
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That is completely false, period If you arent doing a sketchy rebill and have everything legit as I said you will be fine. I have spoken with adwords reps often and they are fine with it. I have never been banned and dont plan on getting banned anytime soon. I am 100% transparent with adwords reps and they are 100% fine with it. Without knowing what offer im doing, its pretty hard to credibly bash. If you are successfull at what your doing, good on you. Im going to continue what im doing. As I have stressed, stay within googles TOS and you will be good to go. | |
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I would rather spend the money educating my visitor if it means staying whitehat and playing by the rules. The point for my business is to create sustainability. For my business this includes keeping everything whitehat, mitigating risk, and creating multiple yet seperate income streams. There is plenty of oppotunity for everybody to make tons of money whitehat, so whats the point in heading down the blackhat path. I would rather sleep well at night and thats why all the offers I now promote are good offers that I believe in. And this includes rebills, there are many good valuable rebills. Think about it for a while...not acai and bs like that but good rebills with no shady small print and hidden memberships that automatically get enrolled in. Good lucksters to all | |
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You said that you dont use google..then what is the other source..can u share..I feel that most of them are using google. is it yahoo, FB, or other that you can say?
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He's already said that it's FB ads.
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But google still allows it (it's your choice). On the other hand if you try it in Yahoo they don't allow it. They will disapprove your ad right away and won't run it at all. This only applies to certain offers though. | |
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Joel thanks for sharing. I learn a lot from here.
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I wish I had a couple of affiliates like you promoting my products. Heck, I'd love just 1 half as good as you.
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I've been running on FB since May and do approx $15,000/month in rev....7/8k is profit. Great thread Joel, I'm just looking to scale things now and wondered how many ads per campaign do you run? I've only targeted broad demographics too...not tried to narrow them down. I'm running 4 campigns each with approx 20 ads for the $15k.... How does yours look for the $45k....many more? PM me if you like.. Regards, Simon |
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What is rebill? My target narket is small businesses that need marketing and office services. Would FB be a viable ad platform or can anyone rec a better place to run ads? Right now I'm coasting on a clean E-mail list and a few drop-ins on business boards but want to begin the ramp-up. I thought about banners through AdBrite but haven't heard good or bad about them. Thanks for the info gang! |
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Hi RobFoster...There is huge money in cpa, you just need to put in some good work to get things going. Start reading and keep implementing and you will be fine... welcome to cpa! |
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It really changes all the time man, maybe 5 or 6 ads per campain? But then after like 30-40 million impressions they start to slow down. Just kind of keep going with w/e. When i hit an ad thats a gold mine...i just run with it...fewer awesome ads is better then lots of crapy ones i think. good work | |
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All the help you need is free on the internet and asking other people. Anyone can do it. Just takes time, effort, some brains and maybe even a little luck. | |
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Again...dont ask questions without reading the thread...it waste my time and yours. If you want to make it in internet markinging you cant be to lazy to read a thread that pretty much shows you how i went from 27 revenues and like -300 income to now 80 000 revenue this money and almost 20,000 profit.... read the dam thread first...before asking stuff...pleease | |
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What's the best way to get conversions in PPC... As in is there a special way you should design your landing page? any tips or suggestions? |
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Congrats on success yo! I started at 16 (19 now) and have made hundreds of thousands with my own products... never messed with CPL/CPA. Never done FB with success... any advice for a newbie in this traffic field? |
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| Master Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kelowna, BC
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| Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? Quote:
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10-31-2009, 03:00 PM
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| Minisite Designer War Room Member  Join Date: May 2009 Location: West Midlands, UK
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| Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions?
Fantastic thread, thanks to everyone for their contribution. I've been trying this IM lark for 12 months now and haven't made much money. After reading this thread I now feel more focused on what I want to achieve. Cheers again guys. |
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11-02-2009, 06:14 PM
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11-03-2009, 07:08 PM
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| Re: I went From $27 Rev in July to over $45,000 rev so far this month...questions? PPC has always scared me. But your convincing me to give it a try. Heck, I like money too.
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