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I came across your thread today and was a bit curious about a few things. I am totally new to all these jargon about CPA PPA etc as I am a total newbie on online money making ... You mention that there are risks involved - may I please ask what are these risks that you talked about ? Secondly, if you had to pick a money making training system out there that resembles your own - which would you most likely choose ? |
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nice to hear you make good profits a real jump, did you use blog or CMS for the site ?
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Hi I also got a $50 from face book. I am using it for my cpa. Right now I am building a movie site and then use the $50 on face book for cpm's. Just a test Anything from 25cents per K is good. Cheers |
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its amazing! anyways congratz! |
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I agree with you! Especially in this type of market, remember we are in a recession right now. I would never risk $10k in my bank account, that's just me though. Say you made $40k, you just never know if that network will pay you that. Things could crash for that network in one day. I'll go the safe way and make money through regular SEO. Quote:
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So what PPC platform did you use. Chitika? Adbrite? If you didnt use Adwords.
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Hey awesome thread to all and thanks to Joel for starting it. This has given me the encouragement to continue on with my CPA efforts. It has reinforced a lot of things I already know but has helped to restore the confidence that all of the get rich quick guru propaganda has eroded in my outlook. Also someone in the 300 and some posts I just read in this thread asked about an offer converting and then dying a few days later. You may want to play with how often your ad is showing for each unique ip like one to three times a week. Otherwise you are essentially spamming the same traffic again and again and wasting money. Another thing Joel mentioned in this regard is to watch for trends. I have noticed all of my conversions will happen around the same 3-4 hr time period during the day on certain websites. This obviously has to do with visitor patterns like people getting home from work a taking a mid-morning break to their favorite website at work. So far I have expertly reduced $300 to about $95 primarily with media buying I haven't run any landing pages so I think that is my next step to increase conversions on the offers that did convert. Speaking of landing pages I have a quick question on implementation. Do you buy a targeted domain for each niche or product and build your landing pages there or do you use something more generic so you don't have to buy up a bunch of domains? Any specific format that has had consistent results like review, informative, etc.? |
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Joel, Just found this thread and realized your doing FB ads. I just got into them 2 weeks ago ( I am already having good success in the 3 major search engines) My problem is with facebook they seem to serve my CPM traffic in surges literally by the hour and right at the same time every hour then turn it off and wait again until the next hour. It's been a real challenge to find converting offers... most are just break even, but I find that with a lander telling them what they need to do seems to convert a bit more. |
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Thats right any profit is good profit however aim to break even before you get carried away if you are a newb You can read great threads like this bu tyou need to get started ask away and get some help BUT get started |
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Great thread..so what do you use initial cpc at FB? $.35 per click? What do you track on 202 when you get traffics from FB?
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You Cracked Me up ![]() ![]() !!Of course there was a lot more great info like the source of traffic and split testing, the type of landing page...TRACKING with Prosper202 That is Some solid Advice Right There!!!! A quick note... SEO is great and in my opinion should be implemented ONLY AFTER you've found a winner campaign and offer... Think Of it...How would you know if the keyword your optimizing for is profitable or not???? It happened to Me and thank god I stopped with it. SEO is for scaling your PPC campaigns.. You spend money first...(with PPC or paid traffic) find a profitable offer/campaign/ keyword then you go on optimizing for the engines with the money you earn...invest that in to your business...outsource..finding more sources of traffic..and potentially dominate the market for a winning keyword... And I will Add...People Spend So much time and effort on optimizing for the engines just to find that their keyword doesn't convert...well time is money! I've got to hand it to you mate! That is a nice sum and profit-wise also great! It just shows that being persistent pays off. I've been online for quite a while and made some great cash from Financial Offers...like mortgages, loans debt and so on...Mainly with Networks where the advertiser (Lead buyer) bids for every generated lead...(It's not a typical CPA network) for those who are curious... A good one is called Lead Point, Obviously those are very competitive markets and Getting in isn't that easy...neither worth it these days...if you are new...hint - many CPA advertisers use These type of networks to create offers for you to promote... ![]() I've used google adwords but stopped when clicks for these niches were just too high...back in early 2008. The First Google Slap. My SEO efforts still pay off. Today I'm looking to expand a bit and looking to promote other CPA offers. The Information was great.... Since every one is asking many questions I thought I'll chip in too... I'd only like to know the network because of scrubbing issues... I'll PM You...If you feel like answering cool...if not I understand - you might be overwhelmed with PM's Nonetheless thanks for the great info. P.S...You've got a Great Name :-) Joel | ||
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Thanks for all the great tips in this thread! I've been stressed out about the serps for weeks if not months! Slow and f'n boring! I have been consulting for some local clients and making decent money, but, my god, I would love to get good at FB ads and PPC and loose the client stress. Thanks for the motive |
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right, I think I read enough about roi and revenue vs. profit in this thread to get me through 2012. It's not rocket science people, just basic economics. subtract all of your overhead and add costs... to get your net profit. Still I would be slammed to spend 1 dollar and make 1.30 on this scale. I know its small potatoes in the grand scheme, but I can feed my kids with them taters! I would really love to work with a mentor on a few campaigns. I have been IM'n for over a year and I wish I would have gotten into PPC a year ago when arbitrage conspiracy was coming out... has anyone heard any success storys form that product btw? and joelraitt, did you learn your FB stuff from shoemoney? I saw you gave a shout out to him, and I've watched some of his videos... he mentions FB. Jst curious... Isn't he launching something soon? |
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HAH ! What an interesting thread ! I was making NOTHING at all before this.This year alone (2010), I've received my first cheque from Clickbank, and my first CPA money from 1 CPA network (that's the only CPA network which I join). I've also hit my first $100 a day now, and I am trying to keep that up. Screw my income when I first started to try CPV -> CPA . After two weeks, I managed to pull myself out of the negative ROI and turned that to positive ROI, on a daily basis ![]() I guess what we need is time. Procrastinated a lot, bought a lot of crappy stuff but never put them into use. Finally, after taking action, money started to pulling in! Hope this is going to somewhat help those people who aren't making money still, on the internet |
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That's a sweet return - very inspiring, thanks for sharing1! |
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nice one, keep it up.
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this is the first thread i read on warrior, and it's a keeper! thanks joel and the other contributers.
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Hi Joel, Thanks for your great thread and posts. Great to hear someone else making good coin. My domain arbi project was doing net profits up to $300k+ p.a. profit after ad spend at times, but hassles with Google and 2 account suspensions put a dampener on things in December. However, it gave me the kick in the butt I needed to get out and test other traffic sources and offers. I've pretty much figured out the network you use. hehe Wasn't that hard. You gave so many clues Don't worry I won't out it here.I tried to PM you about the network but haven't got my 50 posts yet to do that. So feel free to PM me if you want to discuss the network. If its the same one I have a good AM that will give me a print out of top offers by traffic source & also a top affiliate breakdown. Had an account for a while but just starting using it this week. |
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WOW!BRAVO!I wish i could go here too!
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Sounds like you have a product for sale here.....if you ask me? I am a newbie true enough but great value, great information.....isn't that what sales? Just my two cents here.
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It is always good hearing that the newbies can make it in this industry although nobody is a newbie when coming into any type of market. Each individual has his own experiences that have built up talents in different areas.
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Been away for the last while, good to see the threads still going. Ummm...risk as in if you had a few 1000 to invest, with a lot of hard work you could make it work. Maybe it will happen right away, or further down the road... as for a system, i dont really know man, keep your moeny and use it to test an offer. start by copying people who you think are making money. Quote:
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LOL, it happened to me too. I started IM since two years ago, reading a lot of ** BS and nothing happened. All those crap stuff that never work. Now i'm making around 3k or 4 net a day, Just scale up the campaigns. I love CPA , try to listen to the big boys. And stop following most of people.
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Keep posting successes. There are some downer posts on this forum ( I give up... You guys are nuts... everyone is taking advantage of me... etc, etc...). So It is nice when one of us makes it! Great Job! |
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What company do you use to drive your PPC Traffic? Adwords? Thanks |
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Very generous thread that youve created here Joel and by generous, i mean with the information that youve kindly provided for everybody. I imagine that your initial motivation was to act as a form of inspiration for anybody who's in the same position as you were just a few short months ago and the bulk of replies yovue received on here are testimony to your success in that endeavour, but it must have been and (perhaps still is) mind boggling to have read some of the comments that have been posted on here either point blank asking for specific campaign details, or, simpy refuting that what youve achieved is possible or worthwhile (criticising the 'low' profit margins for instance). hopefully that wont stop you posting as the people who need the inspiration are the same people that you rubbed shoulders with and related to 8 months ago - i.e. uncertain, apprehensive, perhaps confused too, but just looking for that one last piece of the CPA puzzle. maybe similar to yourself with your own mentor? i do have a question for you though and ive been all the way through this thread without seeing it addressed, so hopefully im not repeating something that was asked for elsewhere, but my question relates to the early stages of your media buying campaigns and specifically the cashflow side of it.... you've explained that you had a budget of $2k in july 2009 which was when you began and at that time your total sales upto that point were a meagre $27, yet within 3 and 1/2 months your monthly sales (as of 21st oct) were $57k showing a profit of slightly over 20% - i.e. your marketing budget was $45k per month. here's the bit that im keen to understand - HOW did you manage to fund the growth in ad spend for your marketing budget? obviously, it came from profits generated on a week to week basis, but AT WHAT POINT did your cpa network begin paying you on a weekly or even daily basis because without them putting you on fast payouts, you wouldnt have been able to fund your own growth. please understand that im not asking the question from a perspective of disbelief, or criticism. not at all, my question is based on trying to understand and visualise how quickly somebody can grow their business WITHOUT fast pay-outs - i.e. if the network were unwilling to pay as promptly as youve been paid, how severely would that have restricted your growth to the heady heights youre currently achieving of circa $200k sales per month against profits of circa 30%. cheers jamie |
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Hey thanks for sharing your story, It has been a great inspiration ![]() I have a quick question for anyone who's using facebook ads. At what point do you switch from CPC to CPM? or is it even beneficial? If you switch the current ad to CPM does it reset your stats (as in the low cpc attained by the high ctr)? I'm seeing that my CTR is essential in determining CPC, but is that how the CPM price is determined? |
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Fantastic. It is stories like this that give all of us heart and keep the dream alive. It would be great if you could produce a course or some such method to teach us newbs. Great |
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Impressive. Well done ![]() I am just starting up on CPA so I appreciate all the success stories. |
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Yeh, me too. This thread is a goldmine of information. It's a shame so many people can't be bothered to read it ALL. Thanks to all who contributed so far especially joelrait & kenster |
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Hey Joelraitt, congratulations on your success. I have to say some people are stupid and seriously don't understand what revenue and profit actually is =D Anyways, I was wondering is there any type of landing page that you create, any certain technique when creating the landing pages. Thanks |
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Ok, before I get really pissed off here... Are you referring to one of the two people as me? I had a few paragraphs typed out here, but thought "ah, I'll give him the benefit and ask first" So? Quote:
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You have actually been working your ass off to much you didnt have time to contact me...and to be honest...thats what it takes... hit me up on skype and lets chat, maybe i can help with w/e your working on right now. So again...Im sorry for jumping to conclusions that you had given up...i as totally wrong!!!! | |
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1) I got as ready as I could, knowing it could "blow up" at anytime and id need a lot of cash. I had saved up some $$$ and had 2 credit cards that I made sure gave me the most credit possible ( i think like 12,000 or more???) 2) I actually got lucky on this part, my friend ( and huge affiliate) actually lent me 30,000 after only kowing him for a few months. I got it all back to him with interest of course with-in a month or so. That helped out ALOT! 3) But that 30K was still not enough, i needed $$$ to keep my business going full speed. who the heck wants to slow down cuz they dont have $$$$? So i went to the network and basically said this " if you want me to keep doing numbers like this, you need to pay me even sooner ( i was on weeklies) but now i was getting paid 2 times a week. 4) I only ended up needing to borrow about 4k from my parents, and paid them back 2 days later after I was paid by the network Basically it was a big crap shoot, but found a way to get the money and get the full value i could out of the opportunity at the time. Did i get help? you know it...did i work hard for that help...you know it hope that helps... | |
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This thread, especially this last post sounds like a pile of BS. Joelrabbit is having fun OWNING a lot of people here. Sounds a lot like my uncle Bob's stories word by word. LOL! You think he has finished the story and then he takes another zip from his bottle of Baccardi and says "but that wasn't enough..." LOL! This kid talks about money and getting it like it is water. Some big time IMer lent him $30K without knowing him. LOL! Some people don't have to gain financially with their fake stories. They merely are seeking for attention and validation. It feeds them. That's the norm on these type of money making forums. BHW is full of them; usually 14 year olds with very low self esteem trying to gain some IM cred. People making that amount of money are not on this forum wasting their time. Quote:
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wow impressive earnings there, well done
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Hello, are you creating the landing pages yourself. Basically, what's your landing page strategy. I've been getting slapped lately by adwords because of poor quality score with cpa lp's. So what, for an email submit, we have to create a mini content site, with related articles, and link out to authority sites in the footer. But, I know you're not using adwords, or atleast earlier you were using FB, do they have any strict policy on landing pages. Zip and Email submits don't work too well over there do they? Thanks for your time. |
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That great keep it up.Stay focus and motivated.
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