Bujoi23

Thank you!

Anybody else has experience with PPC Coach?

redicelander

Where's the "no thanks" button? Ha ha, only kidding. I have every right to give my two cents on any forum topic, and so do you. I am not going to go knock myself out on some of those threads just because you said so. I agree it's a great thread but at the same time when I used to read a thread from this point of view (PPC as the way to go) I was thinking the only way to succeed was to invest money in something like PPC, even when I did not have that money and it discouraged me. I agree this guy is showing how you can succeed on little money but at the same time I do not see any overwhelming success here. Looks like he has lost money in net, if I am right. But it is very nice of him to give all this advice, and I have no problem with that. The reason I spoke up I think, is clear as I already said it.

So, read his advice and enjoy and leave me to my comments, thanks.

thailanddave

I think its a great program but I havent bought any others to compare it with. He has it over on the WSO area I think. He does go through how to pick a program, how to build a landing page and how to navigate google and yahoo. I spent 2 hours today trying to figure out how to upload campaigns from a spread sheet in Google. He's got a whole video on just that. (I'm through with Yahoo for a while because of the crappy partner network).

You can save tons of time with a spreadsheet because of cut, paste and copying. I uploaded a second campaign that only took about 20 minutes. One of the things you will learn early is PPC advertising is its a very time consuming process to set up your campaigns. Lots of repetitive tasks. Automating as much as possible will keep me (you?) from dreading the tasks necessary to put my ideas in motion.

I've got a lot of ideas from reading this forum but I was missing some of the basic steps to implement them. For a newbie, its a great course. Its PPC related, nothing on other traffic sources.

thailanddave

I agree with pretty much everything you have to say. I fiddled around with ppc a couple years ago and lost a couple hundred bucks and quit. The only thing that got me interested again is CPA. I tried BH for a while but its not sustainable. You are always racing the law, so to speak. I started into SEO/backlinking a few times but ran out of steam every time because you have to do so much on faith. You work a long time before you know if its going to work. Tough learning curve for a new guy. If you make the wrong assumptions up front, you waste months of your time.

Im impatient. I like to see results right away and tweak the program. When I opened my first brick and mortar biz, I was freaking out the first day because I didn't have customers.

You are also right that I am losing money at this point. I didnt list the free $120 that yahoo gave me and I have put in (as of today) a total of $210. Much more than the $100 I planned to start with. I havent had a huge success with this. In fact, I've never hit a home run right away with any business I've ever started.

On the other hand, since I started last month, I should get my first check tomorrow. It wont be much, hardly enough to spend a night on the town but its symbolic. Not my first check from Internet stuff, I get one every 3-4 months from Adsense, but it will be the first check from this new project.

rajuthan

Dam what would have happened if you kept the site

jcraig

Thank you for posting a link to our site and file. It seems to have helped literally hundreds of people, at least based on the amount of times it was download.

We're also capable of installing prosper202 for $25 per install if anyone gets really stuck.

All The Best,

Jason Craig
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searchnology

Just a quick note...I manage a 6 figure a month spend PPC account across 5 search engines and can tell you that you CAN'T assume that the margins you see on the shoestring budget is scalable. As you increase your bids you will see a DRAMATIC decrease in margins. Why? well it's because most of the top ads are run by product owners who have more margin to work with. Or by large affiliates who monetize all of their PPC leads. As an affiliate you are only getting half of the margin but taking on all of the risk and I would guess that you are not monetizing so your profit potential is purely tied to the affiliate payout.

If you want to scale, your only other alternative is to run shoestring programs across multiple niches. A lot more work to keep track of but it is more realistic for small guys.

I hope that is helpful

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talkingsmith

What other way to monetize PPC lead and squeeze more profi than just affiliate payout?

I read that building an email list, what else may help?

searchnology

Yes, building a list is what enables monetization. The big players have very sophisticated email marketing systems for squeezing the most out of their lists. Well beyond the capabilities of systems like Aweber.

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mghowell

Its nice to know that I am not the only person starting into this after having a previous careers.

thailanddave

I remember a quote from Forrest Gump "Shrimping is hard". I keep getting that feeling on this PPC/CPA stuff. On the other hand, I have had sales on every campaign I have tried. Not always profitable, but sales. That reinforces that there is a ton of money out there.

Here are some thoughts I have had, in no particular order. Stuff that may seem obvious to many, but I didnt realize until they came up. Maybe it will save someone else some time and money.

There are 3 basic components to a campaign. You can control 2 of them.

1. The Yahoo/Google ad.
Can you get someone's attention long enough for them to click your ad? This is where the first part of testing comes up. You may think you have a great ad copy but people may not click on it. So you should make up 3 or 4 or even 10 different ads. Make some of them the same but change something small, then make a couple completely out of left field. The nice part about this is Yahoo/Google will rotate them automatically and give you stats on them. You then can focus on eliminating bad ad copy and fine tuning good ones.

Make sure your ads aren't deceptive. You'll just lose money cuz they wont convert. You can get a lot of clicks saying "Collect $1 million by submitting your email addy" but nobody will fill out the form and even if they do, the affiliate will drop you for fraudulent traffic.

2. The landing page.
I have been making webpages and face-to-face sales calls forever. I tend to get too wordy in my landing pages tho, so my click through to the advertisers page suffers. Nobody wanted to read my drivel.

I stumbled across this website last night. He gives away a simple landing page. I tried it, it rocks. I went from a 2% click through rate to about 20% today. This guy is supposedly a super affiliate.

I tried to post this guys website but the forum tells me I don't have enough posts to make a link, so do a search on zac johnson to get the landing page stuff.

Im in the process of changing all my landing pages to this format. Next step is to make a bunch of them for each campaign and rotate them to see which one works best. Lots and lots of work.

3. Advertisers page
You can't do much about that so the answer is to rotate advertisers to see which one converts. More work.

Insights
Here are a few insights into PPC/CPA I've come up with. I don't know for sure if I am on the right track or not, so if I have made some wrong assumptions, somebody shout out.

I think PPC is good for seeing if an offer is viable. As I said before, I have made sales in virtually everything I have tried. The problem is, most of them aren't profitable. If I am paying $1 per click and the payout is $15, I need to convert about 1 in 8 to make reasonable money. I tried an email submit gift card that paid $1.10. I was paying only 15 cents per click. I ran a campaign where I ended up making $19.90 but it cost me $18.70 in clicks. Hardly worth the effort.

So now the idea is I know people will sign up, but I need to get my click cost down to 5 or 6 cents to make it worthwhile. So how can you do this.
1. Organic traffic - This goes back to the SEO theories, article writing and back linking. At least I know there is light at the end of the tunnel if I put in the work because PPC showed me there is a market. Getting to the top 3 in Google means you will get tons of free traffic. Anything that converts will make 100% profit.
2. PPV - havent tried it yet
3. Social Networking (facebook, myspace, etc) haven't tried it yet.
4. Videos on Youtube - havent tried it yet.

I need to try all of these. But again, lots more work

It occurred to me that the big boys capture the low hanging fruit. They have the budgets and they get higher margins than I do. So the idea is to micro-target my customers. The Internet is so huge, even a very tight market may have a couple hundred thousand people in it. Here is what I mean.

If I was trying to sell baby shoes, I would automatically think of targeting 18 to 35 year old women and doing keyword research on baby shoes, baby clothes, etc. But what about a smaller demographic?

I like to watch McDonald's commercials. They do a great job of segmenting the market. Some of their ads show a man with 2 or 3 kids going to Mickey D's. Who are they targeting? Single divorced dads. When a divorced dad sees the commercial, he sees himself taking his kids to McDonalds on his visiting day. The kids look like they are having fun and they love daddy for taking them to McDonalds. If its good enough for McDonalds to segment the market, its good enough for me.

So lets take a look at my baby shoe store. What is a smaller demographic I can focus on? Lets say unwed hispanic girls 18-25. (I live 10 miles from the border so this one comes to mind. I am not working this campaign). How can I get ads in front of 18-25 year old hispanic women? What are they looking at on the Internet? How about popular singers like Shakira or Lil Kim? My quality scores will probably be low, but I'll be the only one in the market. This is the kind of stuff I am exploring now. The nice thing about this is if I am wrong, I don't get any clicks so it doesn't cost me much except my time. If my testing shows this to be viable, the next step is to move my campaign over to the content network. Clicks that used to cost me $1 each now fall to 10 cents each and I have the market to myself. Now I have a lot more room, since I can get 100 clicks for $10 instead of just 10 clicks for $10. Then I go back to testing ads, landing pages, offers, etc.

The Internet makes targeting these micro markets very easy. If I am trying to target 18-25 year old hispanic females. I can just enter that info into a google search and see what pops up. If there are ads appearing, I click on them to see what they are selling.

Again, I am not sure this is the right way to go, but it seems to be working so far. I am no longer in the black while I test these theories. Hopefully somebody with more experience will comment on this and let us all know if this is a good strategy.

I ran a campaign like that today. If I wouldnt have had a cap on daily spending, I would have been bankrupt. My ads had 168,000 impressions. I was paying 15 cents per click and got about 50 clicks. Tracking202 showed that 80% were clicking on the offer from my landing page but I got NO sales. I clicked through the trail from my yahoo ad all the way through to the advertisers page. It was then I discovered my tracking202 code was putting the browser into some kind of loop. I didnt get any sales because the people weren't getting to the advertiser. I had tested the links last night but they didnt work today. So I had to rework everything.

I raised my click cost to 26 cents. Then I started getting clicks every 4 minutes. Got 56 more clicks. Still no sales but great click through to the advertiser. So tonite Im switching to a new advertiser.

Luckily I caught it right way. My offer pays $50 and the clicks are costing me 22 cents so I have a lot of room for error. One sale puts me back in the black for the day.

I will say that starting with $100 is nearly impossible. I wouldn't recommend anyone starting with less than $500-$1000. Even if you do make sales, it will take up to 6 weeks to get paid unless you hit a home run.

Good luck to all of you who have contacted me personally. Since Im new on the forum, it doesn't let me reply directly (I need 50 posts) so send me your email and I will respond from there.

Im having a ton of fun doing this, but I am a nerdy computer guy.

Shane Hale

Awesome Read!! I have been thinking of moving off Google and going to Yahoo for awhile. I just received a $50 credit for Yahoo. Definitely I will be keeping up with this post! Thanks for the information.

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Here is a $125 yahoo coupon I found

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talkingsmith

thailanddave : thank you for sharing the info.

I have tried yahoo search once,on dating offer, but I quitted that after $10 or so,because too many clicks from those yahoo partners. I know you ran into similiar problem and you blocked them. So after you blocked clicks from these sources, did you see traffic from yahoo dropped too much? and how is the conversion after that (i supposed it improved)

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Great info, inspires me to give CPA a try......
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blesslane7

Hi Dave,

Just wanted to tell you thanks for posting enough details to give a newbie a little more insight than most of the post targeted for experienced Internet Marketers.

Best Wishes For Your Success,
Glenda

thailanddave

This has happened with every campaign I run. Unfortunately, they have so many partners, I usually end up spending the first $25 of my campaign identifying them. The partners that show up for one campaign are not the same partners that show up for another. It really irks me but yahoo says they will have a way to turn off the partners (as google already has) after the 1st of the year.

On the 2nd day of a campaign, my traffic usually drops, by the third day I am getting about the same amount of traffic from yahoo search that I did on the first day but it is cleaner without the partners.

One way around this is by hyper segmenting your market. Here is what I mean.

I tried payday loans because they pay so much. Yahoo partners pretty much own this segment for your usual keywords like "online payday loans". Most of the partners have set up a page that only shows payday loan ads sort of like "made for adsense" pages. Traffic is lousy and doesn't convert worth a damn. I blocked over 60 domains on this one campaign and I still got more partner traffic. One company, Bardon Advisors must have at least 40 or 50 of these websites alone. No matter how many I block, they keep popping up. (read the privacy policy, it will tell you the company who made the website). I tried to do a search on Bardon Advisors to find all their domains but they hide their registration info, probably for this exact reason. the only way around it is to use non-traditional keywords they haven't thought of.

Changing the keyword list to something they havent thought of does the trick. think of the typical person who would use a payday loan. Figure out what else he is looking at on the internet and use those keywords. This was my major epiphany that prompted the above posts.

Oh, by the way, I now have enough posts to post links. The free landing page can be found at Super Affiliate Tips from Super Affiliate Zac Johnson - Let the Reign Begin!. This thing works like its on steroids. I was getting about a 5% click through rate from my landing page to the advertiser. As of this morning (2 day trial), I am getting near 50%.

TE2

Hey Dave,

I'm not sure if this is your exact scenario you refer to but the following can cause exactly what you describe...

Make sure that your T202 destination URL ends with /?subid=

If you don't conclude the URL with it, you will get an "Offer Not Found" error page from the CPA Network.

Regards,

John

thailanddave

hmmm, supposedly yahoo doesnt require this, it puts in the keyword automatically. with google you are supposed to end it with subid={keyword}

is that what you mean or am I missing something?

TE2

When you get your link from P202/T202, make sure you add /?subid= to it. My experience is that if you don't - it will test fine from 202 but not from the actual live path.

Too many times I only tested using the test buttons/links from P202, MT, etc... only to find the live link did not work.

The best way to be sure is to always test your live links.

Regards,

John

FredFarnes

Today I received a special email from Google, about my email and zip submit sites.

"
Your Google AdWords account has been disabled"


What next?

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

Jayson L

Dave,
Great information! I really have to start tracking my ads more. I am probably getting taken advantage of and wasting money by not tightening down on the clicks.

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babywarrior

Hi Thailanddave

just read your post and yes i am promoting one of the same offer and yes i am in the same situation as you are right now =)

let's catch up every now and than and keep each other updated to boost our moral yeah?

thailanddave

Hi,
Thought I'd leave an update

Here are the results from my first full month. Nothing stellar but then I didn’t expect any home runs. Remember, I was trying to start with $100. I am looking for something steady and sustainable.
Campaign


Campaign #1 would have been slightly positive but I made two massive keyword errors. I used wordtracker for 100 keywords. I didn’t inspect them and there was a very high converting word but unfortunately it didn’t have anything to do with my product. I lost about $28 on it. I also had a 2nd keyword that straddled two industries. People from the “other” industry clicked it to the tune of $24. I would have been profitable without these two keywords. I also lost at least $20 from Yahoo’s crappy partners. This campaign would have been solidly in the black without these mistakes.

I left adsense ads on a couple of my sites, but not the landing pages. People clicked through to the site and I made an unintended $50.

Campaign #2 was a payday loan campaign. I ran into Yahoo’s crappy partners. Cost me about $50. Again, the difference between profit and loss.

Campaign #3 was a zip submit. I factored in the $1.07 I paid for a .info keyword. Without that I would have made money.

Campaign #4 was a foreign campaign. I made up the adwords ads in a foreign language and did the whole site in a foreign language. This is the one I am concentrating on this month. I plan to expand it to several other countries.

Methodology: I am breaking a lot of rules initially. I set up a multi-page website using a php program that makes a website of hundreds of pages in a few minutes. These are called doorway pages using only 1 keyword per page. I can usually get 100-200 pages indexed in google in a matter of days. I then create a simple landing page and link it back to the original site. I also put a link on each page to the landing page. If someone finds the site through organic search, they might end up on the landing page. If they end up on the landing page from an Adword’s ad, they might click through to the big site and I usually end up with some Adsense clicks.
With Google’s crack down on 14 day free trial offers, I decided to read up on their TOS. They specifically state they don’t like sites made mechanically and of course they don’t like negative option sites. (Sites that automatically sign the people up for more product). So now that I know I can make money, I am re-doing a lot of my sites. Unfortunately they aren’t as profitable with the offer buried two or three pages back.

I found a free list management program called PHPLists in the Fantastico scripts I get with my Hostgator accounts. That’s next. I was going to open an Aweber account to build my mailing lists but my main money maker is in a foreign language. Aweber’s recorded stuff is all in English so I’d have to write the pages instead of using the pre-recorded messages. I can write the confirmation pages with PHPLIst, so why spend the money with Aweber? I’ll experiment with PHPlist and see if I can get it to work properly. I'll keep you posted.

I have been using tracking202 but it seems a little slow since they got bought out. I am trying to get prosper202 to work so I can keep everything in house.
One of the most exciting parts of my day is to get up in the morning an look at the “spyview” section of Tracking202 to see how many people clicked through my websites. After that I look at the networks to see if I made any money.Then its on to Yahoo/Google to see how much I spent.

My main goal last month was to learn the business and not lose too much money. The estimates on this forum say most people lose a couple thousand bucks before something hits. I didn’t lose money last month and I learned a lot so I feel fortunate. It was extremely intimidating to get started in this field. I really had very little clue as to what I was doing in the beginning. I find things are starting to click, I understand a lot more of what the other posters are saying. I thought I understood it before, but really didn’t. This might be a good reason for newbie to actually get your feet wet before hiring a coach. You could hire Bill Belichick to teach you how to be a football player but if you didn’t understand how to play football, you’d be wasting a lot of money for him to teach you the basics.

I would say its fairly easy to make sales in CPA but its pretty hard to make profits initially. You folks waiting on the sidelines should jump in. The hardest part of most jobs is to make the sales at all. Here they come pretty easy. Then you fine tune what you are doing to make them profitable.

The biggest change for me has been going from playing on-line poker 4-5 hours per night to making webpages and researching Internet Marketing 4-5 hours per night.

Bujoi23

I don't believe Google likes direct links to those type of landing pages. Your page has to be relevant.

Adwords isn't the only PPC network out there...try others or create a landing page with more relevant content. Although I don't see how you can do that with just email and zip submit sites...I guess it's just a matter of being creative...

Sorry can't offer much help

ManuelGonzalez

nice post i enjoyed reading it.

I like hearing good things when people invest in kits/guides.

Those are some good profit margins. When you get all set up, if you can keep that ratio... WOW!!!

bakers

Thanks for this post. I hope some cpa are available in my place.

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plester

thailand dave,

Thanks for that very informagtive post.

I'm new to CPA and i'm very interested in real and useful info and your post contained both!


Thanks,

Paul

BG48

Thanks for the write up I am also the same age trying start a program similar to yours. Use to have an ad agency. How did you find the landing page that had multiple offers on it work or did you find it better to have a separate landing page for each offer? Seems like you'd be going through a lot of landing pages in a month or year

Thanks for your time

thailanddave

I have been making websites for years, so it doesn't take me a lot of time to put up a landing page. My biggest problem is I dont have much artistic talent so I steal a lot of ideas. When I was doing automotive websites, I would look at the manufacturer's site and copy the style. Another idea is to look at the really big websites like ESPN and see what they are doing. Obviously they pay millions of dollars to make sure their webpages are cutting edge.

I have noticed that we as affiliates spend a lot of time and money on really pretty websites with stunning graphics. The big boys websites are usually extremely simple and let the content draw in the visitors.

Take a look at the Auto Mfgs sites. They do a lot of "look at how happy or successful these people are. You could be one of them if you buy this car". They don't talk alot about the products, the details are buried in the back of the website.

I have paused all my campaigns for the moment. This new Adwords ban worries me. I have made the decision not to do CPA with any products that con the customer with free trial offers and then bill their credit card without their knowledge. I had an Acai page that was doing well but its not worth losing the largest advertising network. Im sure there are other methods, but I like to leave all avenues open.

Here is another trick I stumbled across for keyword selection. Do a search on your subject. Take each of the top URLs and enter them in Alexa.com. (I know you old pro's know this but Im a newbie. There seems to be a lot of us here). Alexa will give you the site ranking vs other websites. A good ranking is less than 100,000. That means they are in the top 100,000 websites in terms of traffic.

Take a look at their website. What are they doing? Can you improve on it? What would you as a visitor do if you came upon their website? Would you order? Incorporate as much of the good stuff as you can into your own.

Now here's the real bonus. Click on the keyword section of Alexa. It will tell you which keywords are being used to get to this website. This is incredibly valuable information and its free.

I found several keywords that I wasn't using that actually pull 10x the number of page views as the words I was using. They actually cost less than the top ones I was using. I got so excited I bought another domain name that has the #1 keyword embedded in the name. Im going to basically duplicate my current website layout with new graphics and change some of the verbage. My plan is to compete against myself with 2 different websites.

redicelander

Good but I hear a lot of people say instead of Alexa, use quantacast. They say quantacast is more accurate. I'm not expert on that point but you have the right idea. You certainly can use Alexa but there's also other options like quantacast and even other sites.

selfmademillionaire

Which one in your opinion works better and why? Review sites, News Articles or Pre-sell? I was told that blogs work just as well, but I guess you can consider those review sites right?

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It really depends on the type of offer you are promoting. Blogs work absolutely amazing with some health offers but pretty crappy with others. In general, all landign pages are pre-sell pages, you are designing it to warm the visitor up and get them mentally to have purchased the offer before they even see the offer page. So there isnt a necessary better one

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jonhmatter

Nice post Dave - wishing u more success with CPA/PPC.

mjbiel

I have one question- Where on Yahoo can you find how to post links like google adwords does. I don't know where to look but it sounds like something I'd like to try. Thanks again for the info

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Whoa! Killer advice this is great. I've always snuffed PPC because of its difficulty to break into. This may have me rethinking it!

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Congratulations for your success Sir. I was trying to figure out how to be success in CPA. I have tried some ways but still failed. Hearing your success makes me want to be success as You

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thailanddave

I haven't been in this section too much lately. I have been retrenching.

I have been buying WSO's like crazy trying to figure out the biz. I kind of shied away from ppc for the moment. I made a couple of big time errors and shot my budget. It was a learning experience.

So now Im off to learning the SEO side to get the leads without paying for them. Here are some things I have learned that may help others.

If you are looking to make a million dollars overnight, play the lottery.

Most of the WSO's say about the same thing when you get right down to it. On the other hand, I haven't seen one that I couldn't find at least one nugget that made the course worthwhile. I have bought about 10-15 so far and haven't asked for a refund yet.

Nearly all SEO plans involve backlinks in some way. Its either from Web2.0 sites, articles or just creating backlinks from blog entries. Other than that, I can see no real special secret information.

Since it takes a month or two to get something solidly on Google, the best thing seems to just create, create, create. You also increase your odds of finding a winner. Some stuff wont work no matter what you do and its easy to get frustrated if you hit a couple of these in a row.

I have spent a lot on tools too. Here are a couple I highly recommend.

SENuke - Awesome. Expensive. But creates 25 Web 2.0 websites with the push of a button. It will then ping them and turn them into rss feeds. Also has a section that will create profile links on high pr websites that they provide. The reason I use it is I get frustrated with the amount of work that needs to be done and never get it done. No frustration with this product. Just push a button and watch it work.

Market Samaruai - Can turn 8 hours of research into 8 seconds.

Scrapebox - another tremendous piece of software. Its uses are endless. can create hundreds of backlinks automatically. Most are spammy though and wont stick for the long run but even if only 1 out of 3 stick, its pretty easy to get a few thousand backlinks for your site in about a week.

Good luck to everyone

syedasim786

Hi thailanddave,

I just read your thread on your first CPA success and I must say, I am truly inspired.

I have been reading these forums non-stop for months now, and I have just started my first Yahoo ad campaign promoting a cpa offer. The past 4 days I have received 3000+ impressions and 44 clicks but no commission yet from the cpa offer, I had two ad group s and over 500 keywords. I had a $10 day cap limit and I was bidding .30cents per keyword. I just paused my campaign and now I have been searching for keywords all day, and creating new ad's and improving my ad copy.

My question is, how many ad groups should one have? And should I be creating a separate ad and landing page for each ad group? From my understanding you should be aiming in the thousands for keywords, and average about 10-25 keywords per adgroup, if those numbers are correct does and if I should be creating a separate ad for each ad group, isn't that kinda tedious or is there a way around this?

I am creating my Yahoo Bulk excel sheet write now and I must say, it's taken me 5 hours to figure all of this out and I am very annoyed but I hope to see some kind of result.

I am sending you this message to let you know your thread has inspired me, and would like to know your view on creating successful ad campaigns and ad groups.

Thanks

leri

Thank you for useful information.

Kenster

Great comments. If I can add something here. You are absolutely right that you should buy lottery tickets if you want to get anywhere in this industry. When I first started I had the mindset that I wanted to be a millionaire by the next week. I was dissapointed, very dissapointed. But I am also stubborn enough and have an ego enough that motivated me to work my butt off to make IM work. It was and still is a lot of work, but it got exponentially easier and the rewards got exponentially greater. I remember first starting and I was literally soo lost for weeks trying to figure out what all the acronyms means, nevermind how everything worked. So yes, it takes work but its worth it.

Also as for WSOs I agree with you 100%. Almost every single WSO out there and most all other products out there aren't 100% new information. But each has its own spin on things. Each may spark an idea in your head. Each may remind you of something you knew but havent thought of in a while. Thats the power of WSO's.

For newbies, WSO's help significantly shorten the learning curve. For average marketers, WSOs may give some ideas that may spark your own ideas. For experienced marketerers, most of the WSO may be stuff you already know but there may be that one nugget of information that can help you with your current campaigns. The biggest problem is that people think the WSO or info product will magically make them money!

Thanks for letting my chime in!

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cpacall2

It is an interesting thread and I am new to IM. I am confused. Where do I start?

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By doing exactly what you are doing...learning! Once you feel a bit more comfortable, then start taking action and learning at the same time!

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conylee

great write up..thanks

missmystery

Thanks for sharing your success and your method. I will sign up to yahoo.. got to make sure that deal is still going.

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JOLANTA

A newbie here and just read some of these awesome posts. I joined the Omega Niche team with Deep Walia recently and am excited about all the training modules offered as well as the mention of Warrior Forum.

CPAmojo

thailanddave one important point that i'd like to stress to the readers is this statement.

It is imperative that you keep in contact with your AM. Just by talking to them every once in a while will do wonders. They will be more responsive in telling you which offers are doing the best. You can even have them look over your campaign to help you optimize it.

ameerulislam10

Wow, You have some serious gold nuggets for us. Please keep us updated in this thread if possible. I'll keep subscribed here. Best wishes.

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BigRichLane

if some people around here would put half as much effort into learning how to make money online as you do into each of your posts their would be a lot more millionaires typing around here. thank you very much for sharing you experiences and story friend.

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