Variables involved in "lots of traffic, no conversion" scenario

Roman8389 · 11-20-2009, 08:39 AM

Hey all,

I'm having this problem, but I hope the responses here will help other people who are suffering from this common issue.

Here's the issue: 2100 hits and ZERO conversions!

How's that for negative ROI?

Here's the deal... These are all from CPV with Media Traffic. First off, I firmly believe that the problem is with me and not MT, because I know that tons of people are making a killing with them. With that said, these 2100 views are spread out between 15 campaigns. Of those 15, only 8 of them have over 100 hits. I'm targeting URLs, and I usually start with 80-250. As with most campaigns, only a handful of them get any substantial traffic, and even less (read: none) actually convert. I get my URLs from the front pages of the SERPs, and I find those URLs by using high-traffic targeted keywords according to the Adwords tool.

Most of my offers are free-trial CC-submit offers that I know are converting for other people, but recently I've added some offers with no CC and less fields, but even these aren't converting at all. When possible, I rotate similar offers, but with only 2 CPA networks that allow CPV traffic, my options are somewhat limited.

Before you start screaming "test, track, optimize"...I'm using Prosper and you better believe that I'm watching every hit from every URL, but it's a little hard to eliminate URLs that don't convert when none of them convert in the first place, right?

Basically, I'm stumped for what to do, and I'm looking for the variables that are involved in this situation. I know that offers, LPs, URLs, and CPA networks are all variables, but I'm testing everything I can think of and nothing is working. Any insights?

I'll be sure to keep you all posted on my results when things start rolling, so other newbies can benefit from this thread.

Brad

bodmov · 11-21-2009, 12:51 AM

try zango cash

ukbuddy2 · 11-21-2009, 06:01 AM

Some people are making a tone of money!!!

yep we always hear that - but they too started somewhere.

so you have some traffic it is now about converting that traffic - so try looking at where it comes from and try and offer a different campaign to same trafiic.
d

indexphp · 11-21-2009, 01:08 PM

PPV --> Squeeze Page --> Offer

searchnology · 11-21-2009, 02:40 PM

I agree with indexphp, building a list is really how you make money. The people making money are really doing it that way. Not with the click to purchase or conversion.

Why pay for traffic and allow them to make a purchase with an offer and all you get is a one time commission? Better to get an email address (regardless of if a purchase is made) and then remarket to that person again FOR FREE over and over.

Also much like a squeeze page, lower friction offers like email submits work much better than CC. People are never going to give up a credit card number easily.

Quote:

Originally Posted by indexphp

PPV --> Squeeze Page --> Offer

XRevJosh · 11-21-2009, 02:58 PM

are you direct linking the offer? maybe you should try and have them subscribe to your mailing list so you can send them more than 1 offer and mailout daily/weekly

Roman8389 · 11-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Thanks for the suggestions on list-building, but I don't have the time or resources to build a list. I know several people who are making hundreds or thousands per day with PPV with direct linking. The list isn't the only place the money's at.

Brad

Roman8389 · 11-21-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seolinker

Anyway let's assume you went with $ 0.015 CPV so it was like $31.5 maybe more. Some PPC campaigns requires $500 to $1000/campaign (sometimes more!!!) to decide will it be profitable or not. Think about it

Especially with free trials! Offer where you need to sell something (even if it's s/h for few bucks) are hard with ppv. And since you just added new offers without cc concentrate on them and test them more.

Total spend right now is about $80 (most niches are competitive with higher CPV) with $0 revenue. I'm not going to fork over another $420 for the same thing. I'm basically testing any offer that I think might have any chance at success with CPV and none of them are converting at all. I test the LPs to make sure they work correctly, and I'm doing everything I can think of to make sure my traffic is targeted.

Any other suggestions?

talkingsmith · 11-21-2009, 09:04 PM

Unlike what you are doing, I have been promoting some more generic appealing offer like dating, game, even some offer from CPALead, all these offers converted. I just couldn't break even.

I guess you may target offers suited for the adware traffic?

Andy1750 · 11-21-2009, 09:37 PM

1) Check to see how the landing page of the offer you are promoting displays in the popup. From memory Media Traffic gives you a window of about 750 by 550. If key sections of the offer page are missing it will not convert.

2) Consider designing your own very simple landing page. A few words, a nice image and a click here button. Sometimes works, sometimes decreases conversions. You need to test.

2) Could be the demographics of Media Traffic. Try some completely different offers focussed on a different demographic.

3) "I don't have time or resources to build a list." You could do a simple landing page with an email capture form in about 10 minutes.

Cheers,

Andy

11-20-2009, 08:39 AM	#1
Roman8389 Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 72 Thanks: 5 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Variables involved in "lots of traffic, no conversion" scenario Hey all, I'm having this problem, but I hope the responses here will help other people who are suffering from this common issue. Here's the issue: 2100 hits and ZERO conversions! How's that for negative ROI? Here's the deal... These are all from CPV with Media Traffic. First off, I firmly believe that the problem is with me and not MT, because I know that tons of people are making a killing with them. With that said, these 2100 views are spread out between 15 campaigns. Of those 15, only 8 of them have over 100 hits. I'm targeting URLs, and I usually start with 80-250. As with most campaigns, only a handful of them get any substantial traffic, and even less (read: none) actually convert. I get my URLs from the front pages of the SERPs, and I find those URLs by using high-traffic targeted keywords according to the Adwords tool. Most of my offers are free-trial CC-submit offers that I know are converting for other people, but recently I've added some offers with no CC and less fields, but even these aren't converting at all. When possible, I rotate similar offers, but with only 2 CPA networks that allow CPV traffic, my options are somewhat limited. Before you start screaming "test, track, optimize"...I'm using Prosper and you better believe that I'm watching every hit from every URL, but it's a little hard to eliminate URLs that don't convert when none of them convert in the first place, right? Basically, I'm stumped for what to do, and I'm looking for the variables that are involved in this situation. I know that offers, LPs, URLs, and CPA networks are all variables, but I'm testing everything I can think of and nothing is working. Any insights? I'll be sure to keep you all posted on my results when things start rolling, so other newbies can benefit from this thread. Brad
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indexphp Custom Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 835 Thanks: 3 Thanked 140 Times in 93 Posts	Re: Variables involved in "lots of traffic, no conversion" scenario PPV --> Squeeze Page --> Offer

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XRevJosh Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Variables involved in "lots of traffic, no conversion" scenario are you direct linking the offer? maybe you should try and have them subscribe to your mailing list so you can send them more than 1 offer and mailout daily/weekly

11-21-2009, 03:30 PM	#7
Roman8389 Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 72 Thanks: 5 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Variables involved in "lots of traffic, no conversion" scenario Thanks for the suggestions on list-building, but I don't have the time or resources to build a list. I know several people who are making hundreds or thousands per day with PPV with direct linking. The list isn't the only place the money's at. Brad
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11-21-2009, 09:04 PM	#9
talkingsmith Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 45 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Variables involved in "lots of traffic, no conversion" scenario Unlike what you are doing, I have been promoting some more generic appealing offer like dating, game, even some offer from CPALead, all these offers converted. I just couldn't break even. I guess you may target offers suited for the adware traffic?

11-21-2009, 09:37 PM	#10
Andy1750 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 299 Thanks: 28 Thanked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Variables involved in "lots of traffic, no conversion" scenario 1) Check to see how the landing page of the offer you are promoting displays in the popup. From memory Media Traffic gives you a window of about 750 by 550. If key sections of the offer page are missing it will not convert. 2) Consider designing your own very simple landing page. A few words, a nice image and a click here button. Sometimes works, sometimes decreases conversions. You need to test. 2) Could be the demographics of Media Traffic. Try some completely different offers focussed on a different demographic. 3) "I don't have time or resources to build a list." You could do a simple landing page with an email capture form in about 10 minutes. Cheers, Andy
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