Copeac Warning

Bank32 · 07-02-2010, 09:58 AM

I know a lot of you on here like them, but they really do suck and take advantage of people. They scammed me out of $1400 in commission for "sales" not leads or email submits but actual sales. They "claim" that a couple of the purchasers said that they did not order the product. Okay so I forced people to use a credit card and put in their information - come on. I sent thousands of clicks to this offer.

I have been in the affiliate world for awhile- I even run my own network. This has got to be the shadiest group of people that I have ever worked with. My account with them was active for a year. They completely deleted my account with the commission and pretended that I did not exist.

Charles- I understand that they are a top tier network - and I know that I have a low post count. - Just be aware that this can happen to you or anybody else on here.

smolodoy · 07-02-2010, 10:29 AM

yea I've never really liked copeac..

harro1 · 07-02-2010, 10:31 AM

most cpa networks do this, and they don't care about the affiliates. Only way to earn insane profits from cpa is to start your own affiliate network and shave your affiliates.

Affiliatebuddy · 07-02-2010, 11:11 AM

Talk to Mike.. he is available on few forums.

AB

PeerFly · 07-02-2010, 12:34 PM

What happened to your other thread?

There's always two sides to a story and I'm interested in hearing what COPEAC has to say about this. What was the offer? Who was the advertiser? Do you know if the advertiser paid COPEAC for the sales?

Robert_Rand · 07-02-2010, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bank32

Okay so I forced people to use a credit card and put in their information

What exactly do you mean here?

Bank32 · 07-02-2010, 06:37 PM

Its a form of sarcasm Robert- read the whole sentence.

ChrisBa · 07-03-2010, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bank32

Okay so I forced people to use a credit card and put in their information - come on. I sent thousands of clicks to this offer.

What do you mean?? This confuses me

adsquare · 07-03-2010, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harro1

most cpa networks do this, and they don't care about the affiliates. Only way to earn insane profits from cpa is to start your own affiliate network and shave your affiliates.

And then your pub's won't run with you anymore.. nor will anyone... ??

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisBa

What do you mean?? This confuses me

He noted that it was sarcasm.

Jared

RyanEagle · 07-04-2010, 03:20 AM

I've only heard horrible things about them lately - it's sad for me (I like them) to be saying this about another network but I truly don't feel they are financially safe.

Mystical1 · 07-04-2010, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanEagle

I've only heard horrible things about them lately - it's sad for me (I like them) to be saying this about another network but I truly don't feel they are financially safe.

I saw a post in another forum where an affiliate claimed he was ripped off some $400 from Copeac.Then Mike came in and said they do some $100 million in revenue annually and see no need to rip some small fly(insinuation).

Now Eagle comes here and says there is some financial problem within Copeac. But if the Birdman says so there MUST be something to it.

Pretty interesting.Hope Mike can come to chip in and defend himself.

jayesser · 07-05-2010, 06:42 AM

This doesnt sound too good. I find that their offers (im with them) arent that great compared to say Maxbounty. I hope some one from Copeac answers thischarge because until then I wont be promoting anymore of their campaigns.

badboy_Nick · 07-05-2010, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bank32

I know a lot of you on here like them, but they really do suck and take advantage of people. They scammed me out of $1400 in commission for "sales" not leads or email submits but actual sales. They "claim" that a couple of the purchasers said that they did not order the product. Okay so I forced people to use a credit card and put in their information - come on. I sent thousands of clicks to this offer.

I have been in the affiliate world for awhile- I even run my own network. This has got to be the shadiest group of people that I have ever worked with. My account with them was active for a year. They completely deleted my account with the commission and pretended that I did not exist.

Charles- I understand that they are a top tier network - and I know that I have a low post count. - Just be aware that this can happen to you or anybody else on here.

Most networks will NOT protect you if a merchant welches on payment. If the network doesnt get paid, they wont pay you either.

That's why I setup direct deals with merchants myself and demand an upfront payment. Works everytime.

Any questions just let me know

Nick

Bank32 · 07-05-2010, 12:26 PM

Krongel....Did you even fully read my post on the other forum? I believe you were the one that misread it in the first place. And no you don't pay your pubs, or these threads would not be started in the first place.

bigbrian · 07-05-2010, 02:45 PM

It's really cool you guys got things sorted out... Well at least on a positive path to sorting it out.

Brian

dropship · 07-06-2010, 06:58 AM

Not a big fan of them either. I remember I ran a campaign of theirs awhile back and wasn't getting conversions on plenty of traffic and the AM's response on my inquiry to them was "the advertiser is pretty shaddy, maybe try a different campaign". That was enough for me to move on.

Shane Hale · 07-06-2010, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dropship

Not a big fan of them either. I remember I ran a campaign of theirs awhile back and wasn't getting conversions on plenty of traffic and the AM's response on my inquiry to them was "the advertiser is pretty shaddy, maybe try a different campaign". That was enough for me to move on.

Same here I was sending PPC traffic and noticed the numbers were way off with my Prosper202/PPC analytics compared to theirs.

I just stopped,learned and moved on. I always test similar offers on different networks and see who is shaving the most and who is not. Lately, in my records they (Copeac) are in my top 10.

ChrisBa · 07-06-2010, 10:08 AM

Copeac is a decent network (or at least used to be), however I think they got involved with some bad merchants and it's really screwing them up.. it's unfortunate

Shane Hale · 07-08-2010, 10:36 AM

I did receive a phone call from Copeac concerned about my numbers. Much respect given to them for doing that. I will pull some numbers from a couple of campaigns from awhile back and get back with them.

I just wanted to post this because I think there is much to be said when a Network will take the time to figure out the problem and assist you with it.

The real crappy networks would not even contact you. Once the new tracking system is in place I will probably run a couple of campaigns.

Bank32 · 07-12-2010, 11:07 AM

**UPDATE** Today I did receive a check for $774.00 from Copeac. It was not for the full amount but I understand that the advertiser scrubbed some of my leads and Copeac did not get paid for them. (I am ok with that) Mike kept to his word and investigated the issue for me. He was nothing but considerate throughout the process, updating me with emails as he got the chance. My account was also reactivated with the network. Pleased with the outcome.

badboy_Nick · 07-12-2010, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bank32

I know a lot of you on here like them, but they really do suck and take advantage of people. They scammed me out of $1400 in commission for "sales" not leads or email submits but actual sales. They "claim" that a couple of the purchasers said that they did not order the product. Okay so I forced people to use a credit card and put in their information - come on. I sent thousands of clicks to this offer.

I have been in the affiliate world for awhile- I even run my own network. This has got to be the shadiest group of people that I have ever worked with. My account with them was active for a year. They completely deleted my account with the commission and pretended that I did not exist.

Charles- I understand that they are a top tier network - and I know that I have a low post count. - Just be aware that this can happen to you or anybody else on here.

See here's the thing:

MOST (not all) networks shave commissions or even DELETE what they owe you *IF* a merchant decides to welch on payment. IMO, this is very bad business practice as a network should ALWAYS back their affiliates.

The trick is to go direct with a merchant and DEMAND upfront payment.

Any questions just let me know,
Nick

ChrisBa · 07-12-2010, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy_Nick

See here's the thing:

MOST (not all) networks shave commissions or even DELETE what they owe you *IF* a merchant decides to welch on payment. IMO, this is very bad business practice as a network should ALWAYS back their affiliates.

The trick is to go direct with a merchant and DEMAND upfront payment.

Any questions just let me know,
Nick

I agree - Networks should never be doing this, the whole point of a network is to provide some level of protection for affiliates and get us paid as fast as possible, hence why they take there cut

tofiq · 07-12-2010, 04:31 PM

Copeac In my opinion, is doing the best.
They won't do trouble to people, its the ADVERTISERS.
I am on couple of forums, for cpa related, (not bluefart related content i read).
Including Warriorforum, I see that mkrongel is active, also others as Ryan and more people.
They Also keep up with everybody's problem, by solving them.
Glad Bank32, you got your problem resolved.
Good job Mkrongel, I will sign up once you have the latest tracking system in action.
So um, I say if anytime there is a problem.
Pick your phone, dial their number and talk to them.
Remember man, if you don't want to even get on phone.
just by email, things will get slowly resolved, or maybe never unless you call!

Affiliatebuddy · 07-12-2010, 05:04 PM

Copeac seems to be good. I dont know whats the base behind questioning their financial position. They have minted money in past and i dont feel they were in loss for any month.

I hope its not a start like Hydra when everybody rumored that hydra is not paying ( never seen someone legitimate who is not paid by hydra). And everyone had bad reviews about this or that.

So i believe they are very much into business and we should not question their credibility and business stability without any proof.

Thanks
AB

Affiliatebuddy · 07-12-2010, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane Hale

Same here I was sending PPC traffic and noticed the numbers were way off with my Prosper202/PPC analytics compared to theirs.

I just stopped,learned and moved on. I always test similar offers on different networks and see who is shaving the most and who is not. Lately, in my records they (Copeac) are in my top 10.

Do you mean they shave leads real time. I dont think its possible with DT.

AB

getlandersgetpaid · 07-12-2010, 05:13 PM

I've never had any problems with Copeac, I wonder how many of the posters other than the OP here have actually had a bad experience themselves?

Its a shame to hear they'e having troubles, their AM's are pretty kick-ass.

sloanjim · 07-12-2010, 11:17 PM

Nick, on offence mate but why do you chime in with this on EVERY sinlge post? It's as if you are desperate for peole to contact you about this?

Quote:

The trick is to go direct with a merchant and DEMAND upfront payment.

Any questions just let me know,
Nick

Carlsbadd · 08-03-2010, 09:18 PM

I haven't had any issues with them at all. Good AM and good communication.

Carlsbadd · 08-03-2010, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkrongel

Eagle has no basis but bashing other networks in the hopes of growing his declining revenues. Hes not a real network anyway, just brokers from other networks, you can always find his offers at better prices from someone else. Dont believe the Hype.

That is not welcome here, if you have a beef with Ryan take it up with him in private.

Carlsbadd · 08-03-2010, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanEagle

I've only heard horrible things about them lately - it's sad for me (I like them) to be saying this about another network but I truly don't feel they are financially safe.

Easy big fella.

John Wood · 08-03-2010, 10:52 PM

I never had a problem with Copeac. Made some good money with them over the last year and got paid every dime.

Cash37 · 08-04-2010, 12:25 AM

A few months ago I was banned without reason, no phone calls, no emails returned. I've moved on and haven't had a problem anywhere else.

bigbrian · 08-04-2010, 01:40 AM

Copeac is a good network. I have worked with Copeac for years and they have always been great to work with. I don't understand why people bash networks unless you personally have solid proof backing your claims and/or accusations - it's a very unprofessional thing to do.

We are all in this space to make money. We should treat each other exactly how we want to be treated. I live my life by this and so far things have worked out great for me. Try it, you might like it.

Brian

ChrisBa · 08-05-2010, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkrongel

IF you wish to find out why you were banned and see if we can reinstate your account please feel free to contact me on this forum or by email at mike at intermark media dot com.

You may have been deactivated due to inactivity, to cut down on fraud we routinely inactivate dormant accounts

Mike's a good guy, I do know they deactivated many accounts. In most cases if you call them up they'll reinstate (from what I've heard).

2pacisreal · 08-05-2010, 07:16 AM

i also had tracking issues with them and left them long back i didn't know they are still Live until i see this thread and like ryan eagle said i too don't think they are financially safe

Agent007 · 08-05-2010, 08:25 AM

Thanks for the heads up. There really needs to be audits in the CPA industry. We have to place our trust and hard earned advertising dollars so they can make coin of our paid traffic. But we really dont know if they report all conversions. Same goes for the merchants who supply the offers too. Many people dont say this publicy but I know several affilates who have told me this fear they have.

RyanEagle · 08-05-2010, 11:38 AM

Where you ghost firing pixels?

"When you step to a king you best not miss"

goobenedict · 08-05-2010, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkrongel

We report all sales that are reportable. All tracking systems use cookies to track users, about 4% of users turn their cookies off, so you will see a percentage of sales not tracked in any system due to cookies being disabled. What matters most is the EPC youre yielding on the offers youre running and split testing those offers in other networks or other advertisers.

If we didnt track sales we wouldnt be around. We also wouldnt have done 96 Million in revenue last year.

You better believe they are legit because they did 96 Million in revenue last year!!! Don't believe the one who got scammed for $1K but believe in the guy who claims ownership of revenue/sales. laff?

07-02-2010, 09:58 AM	#1
Bank32 Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Copeac Warning I know a lot of you on here like them, but they really do suck and take advantage of people. They scammed me out of $1400 in commission for "sales" not leads or email submits but actual sales. They "claim" that a couple of the purchasers said that they did not order the product. Okay so I forced people to use a credit card and put in their information - come on. I sent thousands of clicks to this offer. I have been in the affiliate world for awhile- I even run my own network. This has got to be the shadiest group of people that I have ever worked with. My account with them was active for a year. They completely deleted my account with the commission and pretended that I did not exist. Charles- I understand that they are a top tier network - and I know that I have a low post count. - Just be aware that this can happen to you or anybody else on here.

07-02-2010, 10:29 AM	#2
smolodoy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 436 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 8 Thanked 11 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Copeac Warning yea I've never really liked copeac..

07-02-2010, 10:31 AM	#3
harro1 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 736 Thanks: 9 Thanked 38 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Copeac Warning most cpa networks do this, and they don't care about the affiliates. Only way to earn insane profits from cpa is to start your own affiliate network and shave your affiliates.

07-02-2010, 11:11 AM	#4
Affiliatebuddy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 190 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Copeac Warning Talk to Mike.. he is available on few forums. AB
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07-02-2010, 12:34 PM	#5
PeerFly PeerFly Affiliate Network War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United States Posts: 195 Thanks: 645 Thanked 90 Times in 64 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning What happened to your other thread? There's always two sides to a story and I'm interested in hearing what COPEAC has to say about this. What was the offer? Who was the advertiser? Do you know if the advertiser paid COPEAC for the sales?
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07-02-2010, 06:37 PM	#7
Bank32 Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Copeac Warning Its a form of sarcasm Robert- read the whole sentence.

07-04-2010, 03:20 AM	#10
RyanEagle I'll Make You Rich Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 693 Thanks: 7 Thanked 94 Times in 76 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning I've only heard horrible things about them lately - it's sad for me (I like them) to be saying this about another network but I truly don't feel they are financially safe.
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07-05-2010, 06:42 AM	#12
jayesser HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 19 Posts Social Networking	Re: Copeac Warning This doesnt sound too good. I find that their offers (im with them) arent that great compared to say Maxbounty. I hope some one from Copeac answers thischarge because until then I wont be promoting anymore of their campaigns.

07-05-2010, 12:26 PM	#14
Bank32 Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Copeac Warning Krongel....Did you even fully read my post on the other forum? I believe you were the one that misread it in the first place. And no you don't pay your pubs, or these threads would not be started in the first place.

07-05-2010, 02:45 PM	#15
bigbrian The Boss // Envyus Media War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 318 Thanks: 29 Thanked 57 Times in 50 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning It's really cool you guys got things sorted out... Well at least on a positive path to sorting it out. Brian
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07-06-2010, 06:58 AM	#16
dropship Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tri-State Area Posts: 641 Thanks: 2 Thanked 72 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Copeac Warning Not a big fan of them either. I remember I ran a campaign of theirs awhile back and wasn't getting conversions on plenty of traffic and the AM's response on my inquiry to them was "the advertiser is pretty shaddy, maybe try a different campaign". That was enough for me to move on.
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07-06-2010, 10:08 AM	#18
ChrisBa Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,125 Thanks: 10 Thanked 507 Times in 401 Posts Social Networking	Re: Copeac Warning Copeac is a decent network (or at least used to be), however I think they got involved with some bad merchants and it's really screwing them up.. it's unfortunate
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07-08-2010, 10:36 AM	#19
Shane Hale Ninja Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Anderson, South Carolina , USA. Posts: 466 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 104 Thanked 57 Times in 40 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning I did receive a phone call from Copeac concerned about my numbers. Much respect given to them for doing that. I will pull some numbers from a couple of campaigns from awhile back and get back with them. I just wanted to post this because I think there is much to be said when a Network will take the time to figure out the problem and assist you with it. The real crappy networks would not even contact you. Once the new tracking system is in place I will probably run a couple of campaigns.
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07-12-2010, 11:07 AM	#20
Bank32 Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Copeac Warning UPDATE Today I did receive a check for $774.00 from Copeac. It was not for the full amount but I understand that the advertiser scrubbed some of my leads and Copeac did not get paid for them. (I am ok with that) Mike kept to his word and investigated the issue for me. He was nothing but considerate throughout the process, updating me with emails as he got the chance. My account was also reactivated with the network. Pleased with the outcome.

07-12-2010, 04:31 PM	#23
tofiq Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 47 Thanks: 16 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Copeac Warning Copeac In my opinion, is doing the best. They won't do trouble to people, its the ADVERTISERS. I am on couple of forums, for cpa related, (not bluefart related content i read). Including Warriorforum, I see that mkrongel is active, also others as Ryan and more people. They Also keep up with everybody's problem, by solving them. Glad Bank32, you got your problem resolved. Good job Mkrongel, I will sign up once you have the latest tracking system in action. So um, I say if anytime there is a problem. Pick your phone, dial their number and talk to them. Remember man, if you don't want to even get on phone. just by email, things will get slowly resolved, or maybe never unless you call!

07-12-2010, 05:04 PM	#24
Affiliatebuddy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 190 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Copeac Warning Copeac seems to be good. I dont know whats the base behind questioning their financial position. They have minted money in past and i dont feel they were in loss for any month. I hope its not a start like Hydra when everybody rumored that hydra is not paying ( never seen someone legitimate who is not paid by hydra). And everyone had bad reviews about this or that. So i believe they are very much into business and we should not question their credibility and business stability without any proof. Thanks AB
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07-12-2010, 05:13 PM	#26
getlandersgetpaid Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 55 Thanks: 1 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning I've never had any problems with Copeac, I wonder how many of the posters other than the OP here have actually had a bad experience themselves? Its a shame to hear they'e having troubles, their AM's are pretty kick-ass.
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08-03-2010, 09:18 PM	#28
Carlsbadd Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 672 Thanks: 131 Thanked 150 Times in 98 Posts	Re: Copeac Warning I haven't had any issues with them at all. Good AM and good communication.
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08-03-2010, 10:52 PM	#31
John Wood Scouting Passive Income War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AB, Canada. Posts: 135 Thanks: 7 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning I never had a problem with Copeac. Made some good money with them over the last year and got paid every dime.
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08-04-2010, 12:25 AM	#32
Cash37 Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Carolina, USA. Posts: 2,134 Thanks: 153 Thanked 182 Times in 108 Posts Social Networking	Re: Copeac Warning A few months ago I was banned without reason, no phone calls, no emails returned. I've moved on and haven't had a problem anywhere else.
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08-04-2010, 01:40 AM	#33
bigbrian The Boss // Envyus Media War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 318 Thanks: 29 Thanked 57 Times in 50 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning Copeac is a good network. I have worked with Copeac for years and they have always been great to work with. I don't understand why people bash networks unless you personally have solid proof backing your claims and/or accusations - it's a very unprofessional thing to do. We are all in this space to make money. We should treat each other exactly how we want to be treated. I live my life by this and so far things have worked out great for me. Try it, you might like it. Brian
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08-05-2010, 07:16 AM	#35
2pacisreal Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Copeac Warning i also had tracking issues with them and left them long back i didn't know they are still Live until i see this thread and like ryan eagle said i too don't think they are financially safe

08-05-2010, 08:25 AM	#36
Agent007 Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 59 Thanks: 5 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Copeac Warning Thanks for the heads up. There really needs to be audits in the CPA industry. We have to place our trust and hard earned advertising dollars so they can make coin of our paid traffic. But we really dont know if they report all conversions. Same goes for the merchants who supply the offers too. Many people dont say this publicy but I know several affilates who have told me this fear they have.
	Dave

08-05-2010, 11:38 AM	#37
RyanEagle I'll Make You Rich Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 693 Thanks: 7 Thanked 94 Times in 76 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Copeac Warning Where you ghost firing pixels? "When you step to a king you best not miss"
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