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Old 07-02-2010, 12:27 PM   #1
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Firstly some would say this is whitehat and some would say this method is blackhat.

Personally I believe its whitehat but I will leave it to your personal discretion as to have you clasify this method.

I've recently learnt that I can make a decent amount of money by promoting CPA products to people that email me via a post on craigslist.

As an example I will tell you about one I've just put up.

I just went to craigslist and posted a advert containing the following text:

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Apple iPad 32GB (WiFi) for Sale £400
I've just recently won a free iPad 32GB as part of an online survey I entered, however I brought my friends one cheap before I knew I'd won this one so now I have two!

Its brand new and boxed and ready for a good home for only £400! " I know I can get more but I want it to go to a good home"
This has prompted people to now contact me offering to purchase the iPad I have for sale!

Now the problem you see is I don't have an iPad to sell so here is my reply "which also contains the magic CPA lead in its discussion"

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Hi User,

I'm sorry to say that I've already sold this iPad, I recieved an amazing amount of emails regarding the purchase of this iPad, someone even offered me £500 cash!.

Heres the competition I entered to win one, they are running the competition for a few more and if your lucky you might just win one too!

[enter cloaked affiliate url here]

Good luck.

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So as you can see we have found a targeted user that is very likely to go on to enter into the CPA offer you've sent him.

I'm intrested to see peoples views and opinions on this method as its very hard to classify it.

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I've seen versions of this method many a times.


The truth is that I dont see how this is straight whitehat at all. For one, you never had an iPad to give a way, this makes it gray at best. Second, you never won an iPad from the source you are sending visitors to. Third, its likely that the CPA network and advertiser wouldnt check off on this method or traffic source.


With that said, it probably cant be considered whitehat, but the method does work. Is it long term and sustainable, probably not, but that doesnt mean it wont make you money.

My strategy for craigslist in the little I deal with it these days is as a listbuilding campaign. There is a lot of traffic you can pick up on CL still.

What I do like is that you are being creative. This is huge.

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My ad does not show on craigslist. any idea what I have done wrong?
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I am actually really glad someone posted this question. I recently came across this method as well, and since I have only made a measly $20 with CPA so far, you can imagine how tempting this method was.

Let me say this: This method sounds like a surefire way of actually seeing fast results. It's targeted traffic, and shooting off that email to your inquiries would almost guarantee that you would see sign ups. Especially with the iPhone or the iPad where you just have to enter your zip or email. In a nutshell, it would probably work.

In the same breath, it's lying. You never won the item, and you never had the item to sell. If there was a way to do this without lying, I think I would feel better about it. And there has to be. I bet if you put your thinking cap on, you could figure out a way to use Craigslist to get people to respond to maybe say your landing page which would redirect them to your offer. You just have to think of something A) legit and whitehat and B) just as effective as the method you describe in your first post.

IDK, just my .02! Good luck in whatever you do!

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I agree with April, it's a form of deception...and is borderline BH.

Sure, it's being creative -- but it's also being a clever devil.

Most BH marketers are creative and "clever devils", but what's the trade-off?

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This is definitely BH but when the offer says enter your email to get a free iPad and keeps the Terms and conditions in tiny print that's a lil shady to so it goes both ways.
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I think there must be a way to use Craigslist with your promotion by being honest. There is enough deceit on line already without you adding to it.

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Firstly some would say this is whitehat and some would say this method is BlueFart.

Personally I believe its whitehat but I will leave it to your personal discretion as to have you clasify this method.

I've recently learnt that I can make a decent amount of money by promoting CPA products to people that email me via a post on craigslist.

As an example I will tell you about one I've just put up.

I just went to craigslist and posted a advert containing the following text:



This has prompted people to now contact me offering to purchase the iPad I have for sale!

Now the problem you see is I don't have an iPad to sell so here is my reply "which also contains the magic CPA lead in its discussion"



So as you can see we have found a targeted user that is very likely to go on to enter into the CPA offer you've sent him.

I'm intrested to see peoples views and opinions on this method as its very hard to classify it.

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This will get you banned from most networks, IMO it's a borderline scam.. think of it like this, you're posting for an item for sale, you don't you don't have this item - what makes you better than someone doing that, taking the person's money and then running? This is how craigslist and affiliate network see this, so just be careful and keep this in mind

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BIG NO NO

Networks will ban you for it quicker than you can blink. Atleast I would.

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I personally hate you black hatters on CL. When I was laid off back in Jnuary, and looking for a job, I learned that CL is nothing but a spam fest. I am smart enough to know better, but what about the people who have no idea what IM is. They see an employment ad and believe it to be a real job opportunity, only to get emailed a couple of days later. "To qualify, you need a credit report" or some crap.

I hope you fail and never make a penny. I also hope you are using your real name and every CPA network you apply for in the future bans you.

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I have been working something close to this. When the person clicks on your link the sales page pops up. Nothing is hidden from their on. My job as hard as it is, is to bring people to the offer sales page. Where every thing is spelled out.
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I personally hate you black hatters on CL. When I was laid off back in Jnuary, and looking for a job, I learned that CL is nothing but a spam fest. I am smart enough to know better, but what about the people who have no idea what IM is. They see an employment ad and believe it to be a real job opportunity, only to get emailed a couple of days later. "To qualify, you need a credit report" or some crap.

I hope you fail and never make a penny. I also hope you are using your real name and every CPA network you apply for in the future bans you.

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I understand your anger but the credit report was merely an example, I've never tested beyond a few white lies, the credit report concept is 100% illegal from what I understand and would not recommend anyone even test it

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I am pretty certain a case for fraud can be made against you. This is downright wrong and is against ToS of CL as well as any CPA company worth their salt. It is thanks to people like you who sh*t on everything who ruin everything for everyone else.

Since it is false advertising you could wake up to a knock on the door from the FTC one day.

You have been warned as has anybody else even considering doing this.

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Hey...Check this out..This is definately not the worst thing i have ever heard ,BUT you know what? I have been on C/L Many times to utilize their services the way they were designed..

And each and every time i have been on there not only do i get responses from the cheapest people on the face of the earth..But atleast 3-4 people start responding to my ad ,And when i open it there is some moron generalizing in response would fit any ad..trying to get me to sign up to something.
...I have truly considered dropping bugs in a response email to their computer...LOL

Its very annoying especially when you are just trying to run some ads in there

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^^^ Like the idiots that post a car for sale, but it is just an ad to get you to email them. You email them, and they tell you to get insurance or something. They send you a car insurance offer to fill out "for free."

Luckily most users are waking up to what is going on, and flag these ads pretty quickly.
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I honestly think that you are ruining what could be a brilliant IM career running ads like that on CL from the start.

Even if your 'plan' works as you want and you manage to make some quick bucks out of this, you would then be persuaded to do it again, and again and then be caught.

I think it's destined to fail from the beggining, but again... it's just my opinion.
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This method was mentioned in a very recent WSO that I bought last week. All the methods in that WSO are about Craiglist.

I just went to look for it in the WSO section but can't find it. It could be that the guy took it off, as a lot of it was BH stuff.
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Let me ask this hypethetical question...

If there was a way to offer craigslist visitors information that is useful and valuable to them in a non-deceptive and completely open manner, would that be whitehat?

Perhaps you are doing a listbuilding campaign and all you want is for people to sign up for your list, and you give them something that they want in exchange for them opting into your list, is that unethical at all?

The previous was a hypothetical question


If this is ethical, then our job as marketers is to find creative ways to deliver value to craigslist visitors in exchange for their email address. Remember, craigslist is absolutely massive. Its a huge traffic source. Deception and being unethical isnt inherently part of craigslist. Many people use deception and unethical behavior when workign with craigslist but it doesnt have to be that way

What are your thoughts?

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Let me ask this hypethetical question...

If there was a way to offer craigslist visitors information that is useful and valuable to them in a non-deceptive and completely open manner, would that be whitehat?

Perhaps you are doing a listbuilding campaign and all you want is for people to sign up for your list, and you give them something that they want in exchange for them opting into your list, is that unethical at all?

The previous was a hypothetical question


If this is ethical, then our job as marketers is to find creative ways to deliver value to craigslist visitors in exchange for their email address. Remember, craigslist is absolutely massive. Its a huge traffic source. Deception and being unethical isnt inherently part of craigslist. Many people use deception and unethical behavior when workign with craigslist but it doesnt have to be that way

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This is exactly the sort of question I'm trying to raise in this topic
So far there seems to be a 50/50 divide...

Would it change things if my response was:

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In order to be a successful marketer, you really have to understand what people want and there's no way around this.

People that see your ad will contact you because they are interested in BUYING an iPad for the price you are advertising.

They are not looking for an entry to any kind of contest or draw, specially those that automatically deduct money from their mobile every week without their manifest consent.

It's very unethical. You do not provide the product they want and then you even make things worse for them, recommending something they dont want and will cost them money without realizing.

Just my honest opinion.
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In order to be a successful marketer, you really have to understand what people want and there's no way around this.

People that see your ad will contact you because they are interested in BUYING an iPad for the price you are advertising.

They are not looking for an entry to any kind of contest or draw, specially those that automatically deduct money from their mobile every week without their manifest consent.

It's very unethical. You do not provide the product they want and then you even make things worse for them, recommending something they dont want and will cost them money without realizing.

Just my honest opinion.
This does not really apply to my example since the optional survey I would be offering them would cost them $0 and would tie them into no contracts and cost $0 a month etc.

I think of it as a craiglist funnel, your getting all the people that have demonstrate via email they want an iPad, you then provide them an alternative "free" way to maybe get one....

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You didn't get my point.

Every time you deliver anything else other than what you advertised, you are deceiving people and you are not being ethical.

This is a big NO NO in real marketing.
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This does not really apply to my example since the optional survey I would be offering them would cost them $0 and would tie them into no contracts and cost $0 a month etc.

I think of it as a craiglist funnel, your getting all the people that have demonstrate via email they want an iPad, you then provide them an alternative "free" way to maybe get one....
You just dont get it, do you? You are posting something for sale that you do not have, in an attempt to get people to go fill out a 'free" survey for the chance to win product. In order to get the item within the zip submit, a lot of times the person has to go to the extra steps of completing offers in order to get the item that will cost them way more than 400.

In other words, by posting things on craigslist that you are not really selling makes you a pathetic liar with no real skills to ever make real money. If the only way you can make money is to lie to people, you are a worthless wannabe marketer, who gives the rest of us a bad name - while taking advantage of people looking to buy things.
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There is plenty of marketing like this all over the world, they offer you one thing but provide something completely different as an alternative, sometimes it costs more sometimes its free and generally a no brainer...

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There is plenty of marketing like this all over the world, they offer you one thing but provide something completely different as an alternative, sometimes it costs more sometimes its free and generally a no brainer...
I assure you of this... it is NEVER free You are lying to yourself just to justify your actions.
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This is exactly the sort of question I'm trying to raise in this topic
So far there seems to be a 50/50 divide...

Would it change things if my response was:


I see what you mean, but you have to remember that a of CPA offers are shady themselves, so if I had 100% confidence your CPA offer was very valuable to the prospect, then it might be a bit different of a story.


The thing to realize is that there is always going to be a spectrum of how ethical, whitehat, etc your promotion is. This is true with almost any marketing campaign offline, online, big fortune 500 companies, small mom and pop shops. So you can work yourself towards the white side litlle by little, and of course the more that way the better you probably are.


My idea was to actually offer the visitor great value. I am going to try and make up an example now for illustrative purposes so it might be terrible, but here goes.


What if you had an ad that says, free dog training ebook. When craiglist users click on your ad, you tell them, listen, I will give you a free ebook on dog training if you opt into my list. Okay, now you build a list of say 100 people. These people are happy because they got what they were looking for (a book on how to train their dogs) and it was free.

Now the next week, they are opted into your list, you send them an email that says, hey, I hope you liked the dog training ebook I gave you for free, if this wasnt enough information for you, perhaps you can try this clickbank product that I'm an affiliate for.

Is this unethical or deceptive at all? Of course we will all have our own opinion, but I guess my point is to make sure you are giving great value and there are still ways to make money without being deceptive.

What if you emailed them and said, check out my affiliate link for netflix...there is a cool dog training dvd there you can see for free if you sign up for the free trial. Isnt that extremely valuable to the prospect?

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There is plenty of marketing like this all over the world, they offer you one thing but provide something completely different as an alternative, sometimes it costs more sometimes its free and generally a no brainer...
You are right, "they offer you one thing" and they can even provide something as an alternative.

The problem here is that you do not offer ANYTHING.

You bring no real value. You are just a parasite in the whole equation.

In marketing, you have to add value.
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I assure you of this... it is NEVER free You are lying to yourself just to justify your actions.
I have no actions to justify, like every other marketer I'm testing methods I've been shown by other marketers, I will even go as far to let you know the source of this particular one in discussion, this one is provided by the training course available from dotcomsecrets.com.

This post was merely to discuss the strategy I've been shown not to debate about me and weather I'm an ethical marketer or not

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That kind of "strategies" just give a bad name to real marketers.

You used the method. It's not ethical. There's not much more to discuss.
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That kind of "strategies" just give a bad name to real marketers.

You used the method. It's not ethical. There's not much more to discuss.
I tested the method and opened it up to debate so please keep to the topic at hand which is not me

I quote from the first post "I'm intrested to see peoples views and opinions on this method as its very hard to classify it."

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What I do like is that you are being creative. This is huge.
CL is a great source for targetted leads.

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I tested the method and opened it up to debate so please keep to the topic at hand which is not me

I quote from the first post "I'm intrested to see peoples views and opinions on this method as its very hard to classify it."
B L A C K H A T has been banned from WF long time ago for a reason so please keep this forum purpose at hand.

There's a Sticky by Joe Chill entitled: "The end of black hat in the Warrior Forum"

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B L A C K H A T has been banned from WF long time ago for a reason so please keep this forum purpose at hand.
I know BH is banned which is why I don't post BH.
If this method is to be dubbed BH by the powers that be that I accept that but untill then please keep your further thoughts to yourself.

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I have no actions to justify, like every other marketer I'm testing methods I've been shown by other marketers, I will even go as far to let you know the source of this particular one in discussion, this one is provided by the training course available from dotcomsecrets.com.

This post was merely to discuss the strategy I've been shown not to debate about me and weather I'm an ethical marketer or not
Great, you were a scammer for a day and hopefully learned your lesson. Go on to something else.

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I tested the method and opened it up to debate so please keep to the topic at hand which is not me

I quote from the first post "I'm intrested to see peoples views and opinions on this method as its very hard to classify it."

We are sticking to the topic at hand. The topic is, "scamming people on CL is bad. Dont do it."

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I know BH is banned which is why I don't post BH.
If this method is to be dubbed BH by the powers that be that I accept that but untill then please keep your further thoughts to yourself.
This method is Black hat. How is scamming people not considered black hat to you? This thread should stay open so others no that this method is BH.
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I know BH is banned which is why I don't post BH.
If this method is to be dubbed BH by the powers that be that I accept that but untill then please keep your further thoughts to yourself.
The method you speak of is not BH.

Countless offers on the market by big companies promise something, then redirect you to something else. All those lose weight now on this fool proof system for only $17 mothly etc, then you find out you require 10 other products to lose 10lbs weekly etc. I think there is nothing wrong with what you did seeing as you did not harm anyone, perform fraudulent financial transactions or incentivize your offer( hey guys, i'll pay you $5 to fill this credit check which will really mess up your credit and have recurring billing of $99 monthly type thing).

Alot of people talk down on BH but large marketers purchase the FM script which is BH.

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The method you speak of is not BH.

Countless offers on the market by big companies promise something, then redirect you to something else. All those lose weight now on this fool proof system for only $17 mothly etc, then you find out you require 10 other products to lose 10lbs weekly etc. I think there is nothing wrong with what you did seeing as you did not harm anyone, perform fraudulent financial transactions or incentivize your offer( hey guys, i'll pay you $5 to fill this credit check which will really mess up your credit and have recurring billing of $99 monthly type thing).

Alot of people talk down on BH but large marketers purchase the FM script which is BH.

At the end of the day there is a spectrum of how ethical an offer is, how ethical a promotion method is, how ethical a CPA marketer is. Most offers, methods, marketers lie somewhere in that spectrum and the spectrum means different things to different people. What one marketer thinks is whitehat, another might perceive to be fartish.

At the end of the day, the white marketers create more sustainable and long lasting business models and thats what we are aiming for isnt it? We are trying to create passive income streams, so just stick with as white as you can.


Promote in a fashion that is comfortable to you...keeping in mind the downfalls of tilting towards the dark side of the spectrum

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