need advice need to up scale

espresso · 07-26-2010, 05:32 AM

Hi I have been running a few email submit CPA offers with Maxbounty
The best two are converting at a rate of 10-20% (US and UK traffic)
I need to up scale this
So far the traffic is poor and while I have made money I have lost more
(Based on non geo targeting)

I need to up scale this to at least 5 sign ups a day (short term goal)
I am willing to pay for traffic and prefer to but of course this will need to be added in when making calculations

The niche is tech.

I am looking for any advice advertising streams you feel could work for this
I have tried a couple of PPC companies only 1 has worked but inst geo targeted

If you have any ideas please let me know

JacksonRiddle · 07-26-2010, 06:15 AM

I can geo target views on youtube. But I'm not sure of the sign-up rate on the traffic because I can only target countries. Just send me a PM if you want details on cost or an example of video I put up, if you are interested in youtube views. I created a pretty bad video 3 days ago. Nearly 1000 views from the US and about 10-15 clicks, the video took me about 2min to make as I was just testing to see if I could get youtube views.

In the future though, this video should have more views and therefore some niche targeted traffic should come along and boost the click thru and conversion rates (becasue of the amount of views).

Not sure if this is what you want though.

Good Luck anyway.

harro1 · 07-26-2010, 06:17 AM

Which ppc networks are you using?

espresso · 07-26-2010, 06:24 AM

I am using a twitter PPC company but the traffic isnt geo targeting so I am loosing clicks
I also tried bidvertiser but it hasnt worked (near zero conversions)

badboy_Nick · 07-26-2010, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by espresso

Hi I have been running a few email submit CPA offers with Maxbounty
The best two are converting at a rate of 10-20% (US and UK traffic)
I need to up scale this
So far the traffic is poor and while I have made money I have lost more
(Based on non geo targeting)

I need to up scale this to at least 5 sign ups a day (short term goal)
I am willing to pay for traffic and prefer to but of course this will need to be added in when making calculations

The niche is tech.

I am looking for any advice advertising streams you feel could work for this
I have tried a couple of PPC companies only 1 has worked but inst geo targeted

If you have any ideas please let me know

Hey

You wont be able to scale this up legitimately because the margins are too small. CPA email submits are a complete and utter waste of your time if you want to get rich. I mean how are you gonna get enough traffic at what ... $2.00 lead payout? Try $90 / lead, that's what I do and that's where the big boys play.

If you want to scale up go for the bigger margin offers. More money, more traffic and a heckuva lot easier than fighting over crumbs.

Any questions let me know

Nick

harro1 · 07-26-2010, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy_Nick

Hey

You wont be able to scale this up legitimately because the margins are too small. CPA email submits are a complete and utter waste of your time if you want to get rich. I mean how are you gonna get enough traffic at what ... $2.00 lead payout? Try $90 / lead, that's what I do and that's where the big boys play.

If you want to scale up go for the bigger margin offers. More money, more traffic and a heckuva lot easier than fighting over crumbs.

Any questions let me know

Nick

Advertisers who pay like $50+/lead scrub the most, this is my experience with doing high paying leads. I got 15 leads for an advertiser on day 1 who was paying like $30/lead , after first day all conversions went to "0". I am pretty sure that he started to scrub each and every lead after the day 1.

badboy_Nick · 07-26-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by harro1

Advertisers who pay like $50+/lead scrub the most, this is my experience with doing high paying leads. I got 15 leads for an advertiser on day 1 who was paying like $30/lead , after first day all conversions went to "0". I am pretty sure that he started to scrub each and every lead after the day 1.

My rejection rate is less than 10% and I get $50 a lead with that merchant. ROI is 300%. You do the maths

Nick

williamrs · 07-26-2010, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by espresso

Hi I have been running a few email submit CPA offers with Maxbounty
The best two are converting at a rate of 10-20% (US and UK traffic)
I need to up scale this
So far the traffic is poor and while I have made money I have lost more
(Based on non geo targeting)

I need to up scale this to at least 5 sign ups a day (short term goal)
I am willing to pay for traffic and prefer to but of course this will need to be added in when making calculations

The niche is tech.

I am looking for any advice advertising streams you feel could work for this
I have tried a couple of PPC companies only 1 has worked but inst geo targeted

If you have any ideas please let me know

It seems that your ROI is still negative. In this case, you don't want to scale your campaign, but optimize it. Try to split-test ads, landing pages or even offers. Also track your keywords and eliminate the ones with a negative ROI.

If you are spending and $100 and making $80, when you spend $1,000 you will lose $200. So you need to reach a good ROI before you start scalling your campaign.

William

Kenster · 07-26-2010, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harro1

Advertisers who pay like $50+/lead scrub the most, this is my experience with doing high paying leads. I got 15 leads for an advertiser on day 1 who was paying like $30/lead , after first day all conversions went to "0". I am pretty sure that he started to scrub each and every lead after the day 1.

Its weird, I am not so sure scrubbing is positively correlated with payout. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if scrubbing was highest for the lower payout simple submit offers and then to the trial offers which also get a lot of crummy traffic in many cases.

Always make sure you are cross network split testing! Spread the risk!

ihatemels · 07-26-2010, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy_Nick

Hey

You wont be able to scale this up legitimately because the margins are too small. CPA email submits are a complete and utter waste of your time if you want to get rich. I mean how are you gonna get enough traffic at what ... $2.00 lead payout? Try $90 / lead, that's what I do and that's where the big boys play.

If you want to scale up go for the bigger margin offers. More money, more traffic and a heckuva lot easier than fighting over crumbs.

Any questions let me know

Nick

thanks for the advice...makes sense

MarketingSolutionsInc · 07-27-2010, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harro1

Advertisers who pay like $50+/lead scrub the most, this is my experience with doing high paying leads. I got 15 leads for an advertiser on day 1 who was paying like $30/lead , after first day all conversions went to "0". I am pretty sure that he started to scrub each and every lead after the day 1.

I've experienced the same kind of thing with numerous networks and advertisers. Running an offer the first day (with an already profitable campaign) tends to bring the highest conversions, but then you struggle to match the stats you had on day one. It's one of the first things I base my decisions on when deciding whether to keep running offers with a particular advertiser or network. It's an unfortunate part of the good old CPA game.

07-26-2010, 05:32 AM	#1
espresso Advanced Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Dublin, EU Posts: 573 Thanks: 7 Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts	need advice need to up scale Hi I have been running a few email submit CPA offers with Maxbounty The best two are converting at a rate of 10-20% (US and UK traffic) I need to up scale this So far the traffic is poor and while I have made money I have lost more (Based on non geo targeting) I need to up scale this to at least 5 sign ups a day (short term goal) I am willing to pay for traffic and prefer to but of course this will need to be added in when making calculations The niche is tech. I am looking for any advice advertising streams you feel could work for this I have tried a couple of PPC companies only 1 has worked but inst geo targeted If you have any ideas please let me know

07-26-2010, 06:15 AM	#2
JacksonRiddle Article Marketer War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 505 Thanks: 54 Thanked 106 Times in 44 Posts Contact Info	Re: need advice need to up scale I can geo target views on youtube. But I'm not sure of the sign-up rate on the traffic because I can only target countries. Just send me a PM if you want details on cost or an example of video I put up, if you are interested in youtube views. I created a pretty bad video 3 days ago. Nearly 1000 views from the US and about 10-15 clicks, the video took me about 2min to make as I was just testing to see if I could get youtube views. In the future though, this video should have more views and therefore some niche targeted traffic should come along and boost the click thru and conversion rates (becasue of the amount of views). Not sure if this is what you want though. Good Luck anyway.
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07-26-2010, 06:17 AM	#3
harro1 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 736 Thanks: 9 Thanked 38 Times in 37 Posts	Re: need advice need to up scale Which ppc networks are you using?

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espresso Advanced Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Dublin, EU Posts: 573 Thanks: 7 Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: need advice need to up scale I am using a twitter PPC company but the traffic isnt geo targeting so I am loosing clicks I also tried bidvertiser but it hasnt worked (near zero conversions)