Since money is involved

K. Rondo · 08-06-2008, 04:56 PM

I am new to this and have been bouncing around fron idea to idea.
CPA marketing seems to be the best start for me.

So, I read a post that said coaching can work wonders for newbies.

To get to my question: what is the difference between a coach or
coaching network that charges $50/month and one that costs 500+/month?

Jelasco · 08-06-2008, 09:03 PM

$450............

H-Town · 08-06-2008, 09:14 PM

You can find free coaching at http://johnwann.mentoringforfree.com
with 30 years of experience from founder Michael Dlouhy.

PPC-Coach · 08-06-2008, 09:30 PM

The more expensive one wants all your money up front, maybe they have no systems in place to handle a monthly program. The less expensive one knows that all they have to do is provide much more value then your $50 each month and you will remain a member for years.

Scott Murdaugh · 08-07-2008, 12:02 PM

I personally never worked with a coach.

I can understand how it may be helpful. If you aren't sure how to set up a website or an Adwords campaign it may shorten the learning curve.

Everything that's ever made me money has come from my own ideas though. Here's an idea of the thought process.

Okay, I get $11 for every insurance lead. What do people search for when they want insurance quotes?

Free Insurance Quote? Too expensive.

Cheapest insurance for 17 year old drivers in Memphis, Tn... That could work, but there's no volume.

10,000 keywords like that and you've got some volume.

Insurance may be a bad example because it's insanely competitive. But you need to learn to think outside of the box like that.

Don't target insurance. Target male drivers, female drivers, motorcyclists, young drivers, old drivers.... Break everything down, brainstorm some keywords, and you can find some good ones.

Good luck.

Edit: Didn't see the coach posting above. I haven't used him, but I've heard some very good things from very reputable affiliates about his services. I've also heard the keyword tools he provides are worth more than the $50 a month alone. He may be a good option for you.

PPC-Coach · 08-07-2008, 01:47 PM

I agree that coaching is not for everyone. There are a lot of very bright and creative people with a ton of experience. So they would have no use for any coaching, in fact most could be the one providing the coaching if they wanted. I also think people looking for one should explore all their options to find one that fits their needs best. One thing I tell everyone is that even Tiger Woods still has a swing coach and he's the best golfer in the world. Even if he picks up one little tidbit of information that he hadn't considered before to improve his game, the coach would be worth it for him. Any strokes he can shave off his game is a bonus at his level of play.

netmax · 08-07-2008, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K. Rondo

I am new to this and have been bouncing around fron idea to idea. I have decided that CPA marketing is the best start for me.

So, I read a post that said coaching can work wonders for newbies like me (a 5 star member on the old site said that in a thread not related to CPA but about making money online in general).

To get to my question: what is the difference between a coach or coaching network that charges $50/month to one that costs 500+/month?

At this point I can't afford a coach; for now my mission is to build my first website and go from there.

Fees don't matter, but, the coach does matter.

Some GREEDY Coaches want 100s of bucks a month to teach you the trash what they found and failed to make money from it.

They say you can make millions out of their 'idea' and within a few months they will be millionaires and you will be remained the same zero-success guy over IM.

Of course, there are some good Programs and Coaches too.
It's purely your luck that you find a honest and potential one. ;-)

the-CPA-guy · 08-08-2008, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K. Rondo

I am new to this and have been bouncing around fron idea to idea. I have decided that CPA marketing is the best start for me.

So, I read a post that said coaching can work wonders for newbies like me (a 5 star member on the old site said that in a thread not related to CPA but about making money online in general).

To get to my question: what is the difference between a coach or coaching network that charges $50/month to one that costs 500+/month?

At this point I can't afford a coach; for now my mission is to build my first website and go from there.

You need a coach ? Why ??

You don't know about adwords? Go to Google Adwords and read their lessons.

Don't have idea about landing pages? Pick up your niche , say ringtone . Go to google and type 'ringtone' , 'britney spears ring tone' and so. In 90% keywords you will see same websites. Copy their URL and give a look what they are doing. Now , if you know photoshop and web designing - you can make one landing page pretty quick.If you don't know outsource.

TRY TO LEARN YOURSELF.SELF LEARNING IS THE BEST.

John34 · 08-08-2008, 09:33 PM

Hi Luke,i may take up your coaching,sent u PM with some questions.

ethanmiller · 08-09-2008, 11:35 AM

hi Luke i am also interested in your coaching,please send me all details.

Todd Lamb · 08-09-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke Sample

Not sure why you are attacking me here, but I really don't appreciate it in the least. You made a LOT of assumptions and are not even close on what you assume we coach. Maybe you should speak to some of my students to get it straight?

"""Your method allows this. Other types of coaching do not. Sending free traffic to programs that pay per impression enables you to make this statement safely. Good for you that found a loophole to be able to make that statement."""

You are actually much more confused than I thought. I do not use any programs with cpa techniques that pay per impression. I'm not sure where you got that information, I think you are obviously confusing my sig file links with my CPA coaching. 2 separate things. No pay per impression used in my methods. Why did you assume that? That is CPM, not CPA?

"""Very untrue. There were a couple attempted programs that cost $77 to $200 per month and they were absolute garbage."""

Maybe you missed the (not always the case) in my response?

"""Again, you can say this because your sending "free" traffic to programs that are paying per impression."""

Actually again, you are completely incorrect and obviously know nothing about my coaching. We do lots of PPC, Media buys, list rental, and more with paid traffic with my coaching. It is not just about free traffic...not sure where you got that information but you are wrong.

And again, you talk about free traffic to pay per impression, you have obviously confused my social network marketing website with my CPA coaching or something. 2 different things. No pay per impression models used with my coaching, and it is not just free traffic. That's CPM, NOT CPA???

"""It's good that you're keeping part of your students earnings, for you. But how does that help the student? You've tried to spin it, but I just don't get how a student sharing revenue after already paying an up front fee is good for them? I would not see this as any sort of benefit to the student."""

It's simple, because without a revshare they would NEVER get access to this kind of information. Who in their right mind would give out a technique that is making well over $1500/day...in exact detail? The answer is nobody in their right mind...unless there is a revshare model. I'm talking specifics here too. Just giving the student general information on PPC and not actually handing them the keywords to bid on, etc. does not constitute showing them a method. In other words, in order for me to just hand over my campaigns to them...of course there is a revshare.

It is obvious if there is no revshare then the techniques are not that valuable or you are not giving the EXACT information on how to make that money. I don't know of any SPECIFIC information you could give to someone that wouldn't pose a saturation risk. If it doesn't, the information is too general.

"""The methods could be so good that instead of being a one trick pony and needed a NDA to be signed, the methods and techniques learned can apply to millions of keywords and thousands of offers."""

Ew, bad answer. Yeah, that's PPC. We teach PPC as well, but we actually give them access to profitable campaigns. If you don't think PPC campaigns can become saturated when you are handing out your profitable keywords, bid prices, and more, you obviously haven't done much PPC. This is why we can guarantee profits, because we actually just hand over profitable campaigns. Nobody else does this, which is probably why you are confused.

When we tell a student, use this offer, bid on these key terms in these search engines, with this landing page, and this ad text...that can without a doubt become saturated. I think the truth is that you are obviously not handing out profitable campaigns in that kind of detail...which is why you aren't worried about saturation. Just like every other cheap coaching or ebook that is out there. General information doesn't cause saturation. Exacting detail does and requires protection for both my students and myself.

""'"What happens when the single method doesn't work anymore? The student now has nothing to rely on. But if that student were taught the proper methods and techniques, they could move onto the next niche to survive and prosper."""

Again, you are assuming that there is only one technique I teach for some reason. We teach over 30. That's right...over 30. I'm not sure where you got your information but you are sadly mistaken. We not only teach them how to fish, but hand them a 12 piece basket of long John silvers planks to chew on while they fish. Then after they learn to fish, we teach them how to hunt, and then how to raise crops.

"""I can see why you'd say that. You don't rely on ppc as the method. You rely on some free traffic to programs that pay per impression."""

Again, you are completely incorrect. We DO use PPC and teach that extensively. More extensive than you could ever find in a typical PPC course in fact. We do not rely on pay per impression. That is considered CPM, NOT CPA. Strange how you wouldn't know that as a coach?

I'm not attacking any one method here, and you obviously jumped the gun and made assumptions that were ridiculously inaccurate. I have a problem with people who think PPC is the only and most profitable way, and was trying to make a point.

Don't get me wrong though, we spend WELL into the 5 figures daily on adwords alone. Google sends me christmas presents every year, I love PPC. PPC is a major player in what we do, and teach, but is by NO means the end-all solution. I wasn't attacking a method and calling it ineffective, we use that method and make many thousands with it. I teach it.

I'm sorry you took offense to my statements and made assumptions, and I think I deserve an apology for you making claims about my coaching that are grossly inaccurate on a public forum.

In my opinion, you have absolutely no room to be offended...why would you be with my earlier post? On the other hand, I think I have every right to be offended by what you just posted. Extremely unprofessional for you to post completely false statements about things you don't have a clue about.

I think it just boiled down to a communication issue that caused you to make completely inaccurate assumptions.

I'm sorry if I offended you...NOTHING was directed at you or your coaching unlike your post to me. I do feel as if I am owed a public apology though for your incorrect assumptions and statements.

I'm sorry you feel threatened, but you really shouldn't. If you'd like to learn more about my coaching before posting more incorrect statements, please send me a PM first before you publicly slam me. Sad really.

PS...because my response to this thread was basically "this is what I would look for in good coaching" your post should have been in the same light. You could have also said your opinion for what you would look for. Instead, you specifically made up things about my coaching and attacked me personally.

Nice job on taking the time to rationally explain your position which is a reflection of your ability to conduct a critical analysis. A characteristic, which in my view, is vital in a successful coach.

I look forward working together.

Todd

Dan Schulz · 08-09-2008, 05:05 PM

Here’s my take on this, and as a student of Luke’s, maybe I can add a little perspective.

It's good that you're keeping part of your students earnings, for you. But how does that help the student? You've tried to spin it, but I just don't get how a student sharing revenue after already paying an up front fee is good for them? I would not see this as any sort of benefit to the student.

Here is how it is good for students. The more money I make, the more Luke makes. So in order to make more money, Luke takes an active role in my success as a student. He has a vested interest. Here’s an example of how that benefits me. About 3 weeks into our coaching Luke sent me a CPA offer he thought would be good for me. This was an offer I looked at in the past and thought it would never work, but, I decided to listen to him and start promoting it.

So far I have made $4,176 from that one offer. He has helped me pick 5 other offers that are doing incredibly well. Again, it makes sense for him to do that, because the more I make, the more he makes. If I ever have a question, he is there.

A few people have emailed me asking if I thought Luke’s coaching program was worth it. Yes, it was very much worth it. And knowing what I know now about CPA from Luke’s teachings, I would do it all over again. If he told me the price was $10,000 I would do it. My goal, which I should hit next month, is to be doing $10,000 to $15,000 per month.

John34 · 08-12-2008, 12:00 AM

Luke looks real guy to me and hence i also joined his coaching and very excited to work with him,will keep u guys updated.

renu · 08-12-2008, 12:29 PM

I'm also interested in the coaching program... sent you a PM Luke

BizLegend · 08-12-2008, 02:07 PM

An interesting and informative thread.

Please may I ask some questions. Firstly, let me tell you that I did some reaearch and found the following:

a) When we do an online search for "online marketing advertising methods" (without quotes), we get a long list (online marketing advertising methods - Google Search)

b) Some links of above search are:
Internet Advertising Methods
Online advertising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Advertising Methods. How to advertise online and offline. Advertising Methods

c) There are so many ways to market as follows:
ads on search engine results pages, banner ads, advertising networks, Social network advertising, e-mail marketing, Affiliate marketing, and so on.

Also, they are so many ways of calculating the earnings like as follows:
Click Through Rate (CTR), Cost Per Click or Pay Per Click (CPC or PPC), Cost Per Impression (CPI), Cost Per Mille (CPM) or Cost Per Thousand (CPT) and others.

My questions are:
a) How do you know which marketing strategy and calculations are good?
b) Are they specific to any type of online site or are they can be applied in general?
c) Which marketing strategy or calculations is moslty used now-a-days?

Thanks for reading.

Ryan L · 08-12-2008, 06:49 PM

I wanted to make a shameless plug for Luke - He's a stand up guy and I wish I could have done business with him. I currently flip sites and was previously EXTREMELY successful with Adsense...Up until I was violently click bombed. Thats a whole other story, lol...But it was the reason I wanted to learn more about CPA ads...Thats when I met Luke

It was actually during our first communications that I became successful at CPA advertising!!! So...One could argue that just TALKING to Luke will bring you over 5k per month, LOL.

Cheers and good luck everybody! Theres nothing a little creativity in advertising cant do!

DENNYBOY · 08-14-2008, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H-Town

You can find free coaching at http://johnwann.mentoringforfree.com
with 30 years of experience from founder Michael Dlouhy.

That's MLM training right?

I used to market MLM programs a lot but then I found out the same problem mentioned at the site. Sometime my upline was not helping me to recruit people and then my downline was cursing me for not helping them to make money..lol

howudoin · 08-14-2008, 09:29 AM

A quick question for you Luke'

How much Advertising budget one should have while starting out with CPA offers.

I have studied Gauhar Chaudhary's system but a little confused as to how much will it cost initially in advertising which can amount to a "sane risk"

Appreciate your answer
Bhupinder

bryce · 08-14-2008, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netmax

Fees don't matter, but, the coach does matter.

Some GREEDY Coaches want 100s of bucks a month to teach you the trash what they found and failed to make money from it.

They say you can make millions out of their 'idea' and within a few months they will be millionaires and you will be remained the same zero-success guy over IM.

Of course, there are some good Programs and Coaches too.
It's purely your luck that you find a honest and potential one. ;-)

Netmax, I noticed this tag (http://san263.magiccode.hop.clickbank.net/) in your siggie section and wondered if you actually use this, and if so would you mind letting me know how it is working for you.... I am going to start a thread about it in the "Product Reviews" section of the forum, so maybe you can respond over there. Thanks

Russ35 · 08-14-2008, 12:45 PM

Hi Guys,

Im completely new to all this and ive watched lukes video's - he comes over as very honest and genuine and I want to give this a try, im not scared to admit at this early stage I have not got a CLUE and I am still quite sceptical. Can anyone offer me some advice or share their experiences of this with me? Im willing to devote 100% of my time to this and hope that at some point I will be able to offer advice to others!

From a total newbie!

bsmith · 08-14-2008, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bryce

Netmax, I noticed this tag (Top Secret Magic Code) in your siggie section and wondered if you actually use this, and if so would you mind letting me know how it is working for you.... I am going to start a thread about it in the "Product Reviews" section of the forum, so maybe you can respond over there. Thanks

There's already at least 2 threads about it there already:

Has anyone purchased the 'Top Secret Magic Code' yet?

Any reviews on Top Secret Magic Code?

John34 · 08-14-2008, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ35

Hi Guys,

Im completely new to all this and ive watched lukes video's - he comes over as very honest and genuine and I want to give this a try, im not scared to admit at this early stage I have not got a CLUE and I am still quite sceptical. Can anyone offer me some advice or share their experiences of this with me? Im willing to devote 100% of my time to this and hope that at some point I will be able to offer advice to others!

From a total newbie!

The videos has nothing to do with CPA coaching,its totally different stuff i guess.

bryce · 08-14-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsmith

There's already at least 2 threads about it there already:

Has anyone purchased the 'Top Secret Magic Code' yet?

Any reviews on Top Secret Magic Code?

Yeah thanks for that! I got the same response when I posted on the Reviews Forum, so I have checked them out, and dotnt like what I saw. I will now do some checking on a wider scale online

rhondaklewis · 08-14-2008, 10:46 PM

If you are a total newbie and have no money at all to your name can you still make money with cpa. I have been trying but with no luck.
Rhonda

michael44a · 08-14-2008, 11:04 PM

I VOTE NO!

Many coaches are people who are too lazy to work a 9-5 job.

You need to learn a lot QUICKLY and also put in place a PLAN OF ACTION! There is way to much good reading on this subject.

I personally recommend the Directory of Ezines by Charlie Page. He has a ton for you to read/learn. And, after reading a few of his articles that he has carefully collected over the years, you will soon form a plan you can implement.

Michael, MCSE
Social Networking 2.0 MoneyMadnessBlog
www.socialnetworkingtricks.com www.moneymadnessblog.com

Clari Ng · 08-14-2008, 11:59 PM

Hi Luke, Im keen to learn from you. sent you a PM. thanks

Dan Schulz · 08-15-2008, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael44a

I VOTE NO!

Many coaches are people who are too lazy to work a 9-5 job.

You need to learn a lot QUICKLY and also put in place a PLAN OF ACTION! There is way to much good reading on this subject.

I personally recommend the Directory of Ezines by Charlie Page. He has a ton for you to read/learn. And, after reading a few of his articles that he has carefully collected over the years, you will soon form a plan you can implement.

I can tell you Luke isn’t too lazy to work a 9 to 5 job. He is around whenever I need him.

I learned more from Luke in our first conversation than I have in any book/ebook/seminar about online marketing.

I was able to do what he said and THAT DAY make money. I forget what it was, but I think I made over $50 that fist day. $50 doesn’t seem that much, and granted, I haven’t made that little any day since, but suppose all you did was $50 per day, that would turn into $1500 per month. That is not too shabby. The stuff Luke teaches isn’t all that hard, and it doesn’t take any special skills. I suspect if you have been a reader of the Warrior Forum for any period of time, you are more than qualified to do the stuff Luke teaches.

But back to that $50 a day number… Can you honestly remember any ebook or program that makes even $50 every day, including the first day? I am sure there are a few out there, but honestly, I haven’t found any.

People always ask how much I make, on most days I make between $275 and $350. There are many days I make way more. (Many days I make over $1000, and even more days I make $500 and up). I can count on one hand the number of days I have less than $200. How much time does it take? Well, Luke has many methods, and I am still plugging away on the first method, but I am spending about an hour or two each day.

My ultimate goal is to make between 10k and 15k per month with this one technique alone. I should hit that mark next month.

Luke has dozens of techniques. I will be moving on to the next one or two soon and have no doubt that I will have similar success with those techniques.

I used to think coaches were a waste of time until I found Luke.

By the way, I was a member of Charlie’s Directory of ezines, and although I guess it had some good information, it never seemed to apply to what I was doing, or honestly, it would take too much work to implement. It’s not that I am afraid of hard work, but, ultimately the juice has to be worth the squeeze (is that the saying?) and I am not sure if it was for me. Charlie did reply to a few of my emails personally, and I give him credit for that. He seems like a smart guy.

macchiavelli · 08-19-2008, 12:57 PM

I am already a member of ppc coach but lukes stuff seems interesting.
I just dont want to end up with the same methods I already get from ppc coach

johnmiley · 08-19-2008, 01:17 PM

Investing in coaching makes sense if:
1. you either can't crack-the-code without someone's guidance, or...
2. Already have profits coming in to invest in improving your game.

Some people don't need coaching, ever. Others do. It just depends on what you know coming into this, and whether or not you need someone to show you the ropes.

I did a coaching program with Perry Marshall, which for the most part has been a very positive experience. There were some holes in it, but overall, it was very good.

It seems many people have to take money off the pile for a coach, seeking that option after much wheel-spinning and program-buying, with no online business to show for it.

And, if you get burned on a bad coaching experience, come out of it with less money and more frustration, it's a haunting experience.

I'd recommend looking for a coaching program with some guarantees in place, based on you doing your part, and that person or organization guaranteeing pre-set financial goals, if you do the work required.

That type of guarantee sealed my decision to work with Perry Marshall, and without it, I wouldn't have taken that step.

Todd Lamb · 08-19-2008, 09:13 PM

I will compare the use of a coach to results achieved in fitness.

I have many members that have purchased my products in over 22 countries. When some purchase the products they fail to take advantage of the free access to the membership site (boggles my mind really) where I offer coaching, tips, videos...you name it.

Now maybe some don't need coaching, but most do. The one's that take advantage of the coaching, succeed.

My sites are successful in the fitness niche, but as I continue along in the IM realm it only makes sense, in my view, to take advantage of a coach. You may have a basic understanding of the principles but it is often necessary for an outside perspective to widen your view and open up new oppotunities.

It is not that I can't "crack the code" on my own, I can, but I believe in working efficiently and being mentored. In order to be successful, you must do what successful people do, associate with successful people and move in successful circles. This is how opportunity is created.

I am able to learn, in fact I have finished my first year in law school, but I will not be returning for a second. You simply cannot leverage your efforts to the same degree as you can via IM.

Thus my point is, if you are able to learn and want to be efficient in your efforts and create success, use a coach.

I have been working with Luke, I believe he will produce the success he has guaranteed. He also has a vested interest in my success as a student.

In fact we started last week and the strategies he advised me of in phase 1 of this proces were critical, which many may miss just starting out.

Good luck to you all

rocky882 · 08-19-2008, 10:53 PM

Hi Luke:

Interesting thread and interesting posts by you.

Let me ask the million dollar question... if these methods are so revolutionary that they require an NDA.. why are you even sharing them in the first place?

I am very interesting in working with you as I want to get started in this and quit my horrid 9-5 if I can.

Second question, what is the cost, and are you confident enough in your material to offer a money-back guarantee if the person being coached finds it to be 'same old same old' ?

Thanks

Cody Hillan · 08-25-2008, 11:12 AM

PM overload I think..

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/5536-wait-time-between-messages-killing-me.html

Cody Hillan · 08-25-2008, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Note to Luke, I want to send you some money - answer mine :-)

...me to Luke

AaronJones · 08-25-2008, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Guess so, he's been online for hours and only made 1 post, so I presume he's wading through the PM's.

Note to Luke, I want to send you some money - answer mine :-)

He probably just has not logged out and has the forum open in a browser.

Aaron

Tuzic · 08-26-2008, 10:53 AM

Hi ,

ive never really used a coach before & too dont really know what they offer, but again i dont think i needed a coach as you learn more if you try & do it yourself.

use the most applicable/popular keywords in google & yahoo set up your campaigns & in the guidelines/instructions they show you exactly how this is done & what this should look like.

Then you can monitor this, watch the traffic come thorugh keep an eye on the keywords converting & the ones that done eliminate...& so on..

Its much more fun learning yourself.

MaskedMarketer · 08-26-2008, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuzic

Hi ,

ive never really used a coach before & too dont really know what they offer, but again i dont think i needed a coach as you learn more if you try & do it yourself.

use the most applicable/popular keywords in google & yahoo set up your campaigns & in the guidelines/instructions they show you exactly how this is done & what this should look like.

Then you can monitor this, watch the traffic come thorugh keep an eye on the keywords converting & the ones that done eliminate...& so on..

Its much more fun learning yourself.

If you learn by yourself you also will make mistakes and have roadblocks since you've never done it before. You can lose money and time if you dont have a coach.. Having a coach will help you overcome the roadblocks you might have and also helping you make money quicker..

achonu · 09-05-2008, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K. Rondo

I am new to this and have been bouncing around fron idea to idea. I have decided that CPA marketing is the best start for me.

So, I read a post that said coaching can work wonders for newbies like me (a 5 star member on the old site said that in a thread not related to CPA but about making money online in general).

To get to my question: what is the difference between a coach or coaching network that charges $50/month to one that costs 500+/month?

At this point I can't afford a coach; for now my mission is to build my first website and go from there.

Hmmm this may sound funny but pls. I need a coach that will handle me for free and see my coach will never regret handling me.I am looking foward to...

windfall_results · 09-14-2008, 10:15 PM

Hi Luke,

I sent you a PM regarding your coaching program.

Very intriguing and I am quite interested.

Not afraid to invest some money nor am I afraid to share the bounty.

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K. Rondo Fingerspitzengefühl War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Side, Chicago/Twin Cities Posts: 88 Thanks: 46 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Since money is involved I am new to this and have been bouncing around fron idea to idea. CPA marketing seems to be the best start for me. So, I read a post that said coaching can work wonders for newbies. To get to my question: what is the difference between a coach or coaching network that charges $50/month and one that costs 500+/month?

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08-09-2008, 05:05 PM	#12
Dan Schulz HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: , , USA. Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Here’s my take on this, and as a student of Luke’s, maybe I can add a little perspective. It's good that you're keeping part of your students earnings, for you. But how does that help the student? You've tried to spin it, but I just don't get how a student sharing revenue after already paying an up front fee is good for them? I would not see this as any sort of benefit to the student. Here is how it is good for students. The more money I make, the more Luke makes. So in order to make more money, Luke takes an active role in my success as a student. He has a vested interest. Here’s an example of how that benefits me. About 3 weeks into our coaching Luke sent me a CPA offer he thought would be good for me. This was an offer I looked at in the past and thought it would never work, but, I decided to listen to him and start promoting it. So far I have made $4,176 from that one offer. He has helped me pick 5 other offers that are doing incredibly well. Again, it makes sense for him to do that, because the more I make, the more he makes. If I ever have a question, he is there. A few people have emailed me asking if I thought Luke’s coaching program was worth it. Yes, it was very much worth it. And knowing what I know now about CPA from Luke’s teachings, I would do it all over again. If he told me the price was $10,000 I would do it. My goal, which I should hit next month, is to be doing $10,000 to $15,000 per month.
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08-12-2008, 06:49 PM	#16
Ryan L Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: California, USA Posts: 85 Thanks: 9 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I wanted to make a shameless plug for Luke - He's a stand up guy and I wish I could have done business with him. I currently flip sites and was previously EXTREMELY successful with Adsense...Up until I was violently click bombed. Thats a whole other story, lol...But it was the reason I wanted to learn more about CPA ads...Thats when I met Luke It was actually during our first communications that I became successful at CPA advertising!!! So...One could argue that just TALKING to Luke will bring you over 5k per month, LOL. Cheers and good luck everybody! Theres nothing a little creativity in advertising cant do!
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08-14-2008, 09:29 AM	#18
howudoin BACKLINK MOGUL War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Warrior Forum Posts: 757 Thanks: 37 Thanked 47 Times in 28 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	A quick question for you Luke' How much Advertising budget one should have while starting out with CPA offers. I have studied Gauhar Chaudhary's system but a little confused as to how much will it cost initially in advertising which can amount to a "sane risk" Appreciate your answer Bhupinder
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08-06-2008, 09:03 PM	#2
Jelasco Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA. Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	$450............

08-06-2008, 09:30 PM	#4
PPC-Coach Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,545 Thanks: 44 Thanked 663 Times in 379 Posts	The more expensive one wants all your money up front, maybe they have no systems in place to handle a monthly program. The less expensive one knows that all they have to do is provide much more value then your $50 each month and you will remain a member for years.

08-07-2008, 12:02 PM	#5
Scott Murdaugh ResultsCopywriting.com War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 916 Thanks: 296 Thanked 600 Times in 218 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	I personally never worked with a coach. I can understand how it may be helpful. If you aren't sure how to set up a website or an Adwords campaign it may shorten the learning curve. Everything that's ever made me money has come from my own ideas though. Here's an idea of the thought process. Okay, I get $11 for every insurance lead. What do people search for when they want insurance quotes? Free Insurance Quote? Too expensive. Cheapest insurance for 17 year old drivers in Memphis, Tn... That could work, but there's no volume. 10,000 keywords like that and you've got some volume. Insurance may be a bad example because it's insanely competitive. But you need to learn to think outside of the box like that. Don't target insurance. Target male drivers, female drivers, motorcyclists, young drivers, old drivers.... Break everything down, brainstorm some keywords, and you can find some good ones. Good luck. Edit: Didn't see the coach posting above. I haven't used him, but I've heard some very good things from very reputable affiliates about his services. I've also heard the keyword tools he provides are worth more than the $50 a month alone. He may be a good option for you.

08-07-2008, 01:47 PM	#6
PPC-Coach Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,545 Thanks: 44 Thanked 663 Times in 379 Posts	I agree that coaching is not for everyone. There are a lot of very bright and creative people with a ton of experience. So they would have no use for any coaching, in fact most could be the one providing the coaching if they wanted. I also think people looking for one should explore all their options to find one that fits their needs best. One thing I tell everyone is that even Tiger Woods still has a swing coach and he's the best golfer in the world. Even if he picks up one little tidbit of information that he hadn't considered before to improve his game, the coach would be worth it for him. Any strokes he can shave off his game is a bonus at his level of play.

08-08-2008, 09:33 PM	#9
John34 Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,565 Thanks: 121 Thanked 102 Times in 73 Posts	Hi Luke,i may take up your coaching,sent u PM with some questions.

08-09-2008, 11:35 AM	#10
ethanmiller Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Down to Earth Posts: 72 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts	hi Luke i am also interested in your coaching,please send me all details.

08-12-2008, 12:00 AM	#13
John34 Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,565 Thanks: 121 Thanked 102 Times in 73 Posts	Luke looks real guy to me and hence i also joined his coaching and very excited to work with him,will keep u guys updated.

08-12-2008, 12:29 PM	#14
renu Remi Vladuceanu War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: facebook.com/remi.vladuceanu Posts: 114 Thanks: 161 Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	I'm also interested in the coaching program... sent you a PM Luke

08-12-2008, 02:07 PM	#15
BizLegend Warrior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	An interesting and informative thread. Please may I ask some questions. Firstly, let me tell you that I did some reaearch and found the following: a) When we do an online search for "online marketing advertising methods" (without quotes), we get a long list (online marketing advertising methods - Google Search) b) Some links of above search are: Internet Advertising Methods Online advertising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Advertising Methods. How to advertise online and offline. Advertising Methods c) There are so many ways to market as follows: ads on search engine results pages, banner ads, advertising networks, Social network advertising, e-mail marketing, Affiliate marketing, and so on. Also, they are so many ways of calculating the earnings like as follows: Click Through Rate (CTR), Cost Per Click or Pay Per Click (CPC or PPC), Cost Per Impression (CPI), Cost Per Mille (CPM) or Cost Per Thousand (CPT) and others. My questions are: a) How do you know which marketing strategy and calculations are good? b) Are they specific to any type of online site or are they can be applied in general? c) Which marketing strategy or calculations is moslty used now-a-days? Thanks for reading.

08-14-2008, 12:45 PM	#20
Russ35 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Guys, Im completely new to all this and ive watched lukes video's - he comes over as very honest and genuine and I want to give this a try, im not scared to admit at this early stage I have not got a CLUE and I am still quite sceptical. Can anyone offer me some advice or share their experiences of this with me? Im willing to devote 100% of my time to this and hope that at some point I will be able to offer advice to others! From a total newbie!

08-14-2008, 10:46 PM	#24
rhondaklewis HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: , Georgia , USA. Posts: 416 Thanks: 143 Thanked 23 Times in 23 Posts	If you are a total newbie and have no money at all to your name can you still make money with cpa. I have been trying but with no luck. Rhonda

08-14-2008, 11:04 PM	#25
michael44a Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canyon Country, CA Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I VOTE NO! Many coaches are people who are too lazy to work a 9-5 job. You need to learn a lot QUICKLY and also put in place a PLAN OF ACTION! There is way to much good reading on this subject. I personally recommend the Directory of Ezines by Charlie Page. He has a ton for you to read/learn. And, after reading a few of his articles that he has carefully collected over the years, you will soon form a plan you can implement. Michael, MCSE Social Networking 2.0 MoneyMadnessBlog www.socialnetworkingtricks.com www.moneymadnessblog.com

08-14-2008, 11:59 PM	#26
Clari Ng Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Hi Luke, Im keen to learn from you. sent you a PM. thanks

08-19-2008, 12:57 PM	#28
macchiavelli Future Billionaire:) War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,298 Thanks: 252 Thanked 115 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Since money is involved I am already a member of ppc coach but lukes stuff seems interesting. I just dont want to end up with the same methods I already get from ppc coach
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08-19-2008, 01:17 PM	#29
johnmiley Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: The Northwoods of Minnesota Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Re: Since money is involved Investing in coaching makes sense if: 1. you either can't crack-the-code without someone's guidance, or... 2. Already have profits coming in to invest in improving your game. Some people don't need coaching, ever. Others do. It just depends on what you know coming into this, and whether or not you need someone to show you the ropes. I did a coaching program with Perry Marshall, which for the most part has been a very positive experience. There were some holes in it, but overall, it was very good. It seems many people have to take money off the pile for a coach, seeking that option after much wheel-spinning and program-buying, with no online business to show for it. And, if you get burned on a bad coaching experience, come out of it with less money and more frustration, it's a haunting experience. I'd recommend looking for a coaching program with some guarantees in place, based on you doing your part, and that person or organization guaranteeing pre-set financial goals, if you do the work required. That type of guarantee sealed my decision to work with Perry Marshall, and without it, I wouldn't have taken that step.
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08-19-2008, 09:13 PM	#30
Todd Lamb Tactical Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: , , Canada. Posts: 181 Thanks: 7 Thanked 385 Times in 22 Posts Social Networking	Re: Since money is involved I will compare the use of a coach to results achieved in fitness. I have many members that have purchased my products in over 22 countries. When some purchase the products they fail to take advantage of the free access to the membership site (boggles my mind really) where I offer coaching, tips, videos...you name it. Now maybe some don't need coaching, but most do. The one's that take advantage of the coaching, succeed. My sites are successful in the fitness niche, but as I continue along in the IM realm it only makes sense, in my view, to take advantage of a coach. You may have a basic understanding of the principles but it is often necessary for an outside perspective to widen your view and open up new oppotunities. It is not that I can't "crack the code" on my own, I can, but I believe in working efficiently and being mentored. In order to be successful, you must do what successful people do, associate with successful people and move in successful circles. This is how opportunity is created. I am able to learn, in fact I have finished my first year in law school, but I will not be returning for a second. You simply cannot leverage your efforts to the same degree as you can via IM. Thus my point is, if you are able to learn and want to be efficient in your efforts and create success, use a coach. I have been working with Luke, I believe he will produce the success he has guaranteed. He also has a vested interest in my success as a student. In fact we started last week and the strategies he advised me of in phase 1 of this proces were critical, which many may miss just starting out. Good luck to you all
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08-19-2008, 10:53 PM	#31
rocky882 Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Since money is involved Hi Luke: Interesting thread and interesting posts by you. Let me ask the million dollar question... if these methods are so revolutionary that they require an NDA.. why are you even sharing them in the first place? I am very interesting in working with you as I want to get started in this and quit my horrid 9-5 if I can. Second question, what is the cost, and are you confident enough in your material to offer a money-back guarantee if the person being coached finds it to be 'same old same old' ? Thanks

08-25-2008, 11:12 AM	#32
Cody Hillan Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 22 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Since money is involved PM overload I think.. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/5536-wait-time-between-messages-killing-me.html

08-26-2008, 10:53 AM	#35
Tuzic Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UK Posts: 410 Thanks: 14 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Since money is involved Hi , ive never really used a coach before & too dont really know what they offer, but again i dont think i needed a coach as you learn more if you try & do it yourself. use the most applicable/popular keywords in google & yahoo set up your campaigns & in the guidelines/instructions they show you exactly how this is done & what this should look like. Then you can monitor this, watch the traffic come thorugh keep an eye on the keywords converting & the ones that done eliminate...& so on.. Its much more fun learning yourself.

09-14-2008, 10:15 PM	#38
windfall_results Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 54 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Since money is involved Hi Luke, I sent you a PM regarding your coaching program. Very intriguing and I am quite interested. Not afraid to invest some money nor am I afraid to share the bounty.