OK, so Free Trials and Rebills are out, WHAT CAN I ADVERTISE ON ADWORDS?

rvrabel2002 · 08-10-2010, 08:06 AM

Hey guys,
Im not that new to the forum, but im no expert either. I followed the advice of many on this forum, and I saw great success (like $500 days) after i started advertising acai berry and cleansing products. I dont have to tell you how that went with adwords, but needless to say, 2 accounts later and Im still stumped as to what google will and will not allow on adwords.

From what i gather, they do not like any free trial product whatsoever, for good reason. Same goes with rebills, and the obvious data entry, etc. etc.

You can't direct link, you can't build small websites, and it appears you cannot link to another website, at all.....otherwise, it's a bridge page. Isn't this the fundamental framework of the internet, where many sites link up.

Any gurus, experienced marketers, can you please enlighten me as to what types of affiliate products you can advertise on google adwords?

Rob

Adriana Copaceanu · 08-10-2010, 08:33 AM

Did you try physical products? You can still use direct linking (if the merchant allows it), and you can definitely use landing pages (if you do them well).

williamrs · 08-10-2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvrabel2002

Hey guys,
Im not that new to the forum, but im no expert either. I followed the advice of many on this forum, and I saw great success (like $500 days) after i started advertising acai berry and cleansing products. I dont have to tell you how that went with adwords, but needless to say, 2 accounts later and Im still stumped as to what google will and will not allow on adwords.

From what i gather, they do not like any free trial product whatsoever, for good reason. Same goes with rebills, and the obvious data entry, etc. etc.

You can't direct link, you can't build small websites, and it appears you cannot link to another website, at all.....otherwise, it's a bridge page. Isn't this the fundamental framework of the internet, where many sites link up.

Any gurus, experienced marketers, can you please enlighten me as to what types of affiliate products you can advertise on google adwords?

Rob

It's still possible to promote free trials on Google and I have already posted on another thread some details on how I do it. Basically, you need to use opt-in.

Landing page > OTO > 1st Autoresponder (free trial is promoted here)

The process is more complex and a bit harder, but definetely can be done.

However, if you are looking for somethine easier I recommend you to promote lead gen offers. Just stay away from the very competitive niches such as finance and education.

There are many offers out there paying $3 - $12 for simple form submits and many of them can be promoted on Google search. Just contact your aff manager to get some advice.

William

RyanEagle · 08-10-2010, 11:29 AM

There are PLENTY of CPA's you can still promote on AdWords including CPL's, dating, mobile (some of it), etc. Our account managers would be more than willing to help you move forward.

KC-Coop · 08-10-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by williamrs

It's still possible to promote free trials on Google and I have already posted on another thread some details on how I do it. Basically, you need to use opt-in.

Landing page > OTO > 1st Autoresponder (free trial is promoted here)

The process is more complex and a bit harder, but definetely can be done.

However, if you are looking for somethine easier I recommend you to promote lead gen offers. Just stay away from the very competitive niches such as finance and education.

There are many offers out there paying $3 - $12 for simple form submits and many of them can be promoted on Google search. Just contact your aff manager to get some advice.

William

I completely agree with this advice.

Adwords (generally) does not have a problem with you sending traffic to a squeeze page.

Make sure that you have an actual content based site attached to the squeeze page though - or they're likely to slap it down.

rvrabel2002 · 08-10-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cpaking2012

you will be upset if you hear the saying that : google does not like affiliates...
But I think there will be always a way out.

Good luck with you endeavor anyways.

Totally agree with this, haha

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Originally Posted by giftsolution

Did you try physical products? You can still use direct linking (if the merchant allows it), and you can definitely use landing pages (if you do them well).

I actually have, obviously the conversion rates are lower, but i can see your point. It just seems like i cant even link to another page without my lander being con

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Originally Posted by EmpyreRamiz

try some new source of traffic for it

working on Traffic Vance

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Originally Posted by COPEAC Gelbs

One niche I'm seeing all over for this method are coupon offers....Groupon, Buy With Me, Living Social, Coup Me, So What's The Deal, and the list continues...these offers are popping up everywhere, they typically pay out $2.50 - $3.50 for an email submit...provide a ton of value to consumers so i think these are going to continue to grow and pop up in more networks down the road...

And i think it goes without saying to dabble with some new sources...I'm sure there are loads of stories / threads on here sharing experiences with the unpredictably of Google and how you shouldn't put all your eggs in their basket.

Best of luck

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamrs

It's still possible to promote free trials on Google and I have already posted on another thread some details on how I do it. Basically, you need to use opt-in.

Landing page > OTO > 1st Autoresponder (free trial is promoted here)

The process is more complex and a bit harder, but definetely can be done.

However, if you are looking for somethine easier I recommend you to promote lead gen offers. Just stay away from the very competitive niches such as finance and education.

There are many offers out there paying $3 - $12 for simple form submits and many of them can be promoted on Google search. Just contact your aff manager to get some advice.

William

Agreed, i have been in touch with my ams and getting ideas. Just hesitant to jump into something everyone is doing

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Originally Posted by KC-Coop

I completely agree with this advice.

Adwords (generally) does not have a problem with you sending traffic to a squeeze page.

Make sure that you have an actual content based site attached to the squeeze page though - or they're likely to slap it down.

does the page itself have to be full of content, or can it just be big letters promoting the email inbox?

KC-Coop · 08-10-2010, 03:55 PM

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does the page itself have to be full of content, or can it just be big letters promoting the email inbox?

Google likes sites that add value and actually have content. The biggest thing with Google is adding value as an affiliate - so you would want a content based website in your niche before you started promoting the Adwords campaign.

Build out the site like you were going to promote it using SEO - some rich content articles on a wordpress blog and then build the squeeze page on that site.

ben565 · 08-10-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cpaking2012

you will be upset if you hear the saying that : google does not like affiliates...
But I think there will be always a way out.

Good luck with you endeavor anyways.

google do not hate affiliates they just don't like some of the products that we advertise and the way that some of us promote them.

netoctane · 08-11-2010, 09:42 AM

Key CPA networks got burnt by advertisers that didn't pay their bills. The networks paid the affiliates regardless and found themselves in trouble quickly. The amount of money that was churned through continuity is insane.

However to facilitate conversion and keep the affiliates happy, the advertisers cut corners and just out right ignored disclosure. As long as everyone was making money it worked but once the credit card companies started locking down funds the game was over.

At the end of the day - Real Brands delivering value like Netflix, Vistaprint, Gevalia are still in the game. It's the quick cash offers that everybody made money on quick that are gone. But I'm sure there will be another wave.

badboy_Nick · 08-11-2010, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvrabel2002

Hey guys,
Im not that new to the forum, but im no expert either. I followed the advice of many on this forum, and I saw great success (like $500 days) after i started advertising acai berry and cleansing products. I dont have to tell you how that went with adwords, but needless to say, 2 accounts later and Im still stumped as to what google will and will not allow on adwords.

From what i gather, they do not like any free trial product whatsoever, for good reason. Same goes with rebills, and the obvious data entry, etc. etc.

You can't direct link, you can't build small websites, and it appears you cannot link to another website, at all.....otherwise, it's a bridge page. Isn't this the fundamental framework of the internet, where many sites link up.

Any gurus, experienced marketers, can you please enlighten me as to what types of affiliate products you can advertise on google adwords?

Rob

Yep

You want to do finance related Lead Generation ONLY! Works best with PPC and payouts are huge, I get up to £30 a pop for a simple form submit (no credit card). Very simple really and much higher ROIs than rebills etc.

And yes, Im the guy making $500 / day without a problem nowadays.

Nick

wkathome · 08-11-2010, 12:00 PM

Some good information on google and ppc. I'm seeing a new trend now on ppc and it's working with twitter. Has anyone tried it yet? Some claim that leads are only costing them .23 cents a piece.

ben565 · 08-11-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy_Nick

Yep

You want to do finance related Lead Generation ONLY! Works best with PPC and payouts are huge, I get up to £30 a pop for a simple form submit (no credit card). Very simple really and much higher ROIs than rebills etc.

And yes, Im the guy making $500 / day without a problem nowadays.

Nick

what cpa networks have finance offers that pay that much and don't require a credit card? i cant find one

tryinhere · 08-11-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rvrabel2002

You can't direct link, you can't build small websites, and it appears you cannot link to another website, at all.....otherwise, it's a bridge page. Isn't this the fundamental framework of the internet, where many sites link up.Rob

not true, you can direct all day long, what you can not do is direct link or sideways, back-wards, upside down link, to page / sites G does not like.

rvrabel2002 · 08-11-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tryinhere

not true, you can direct all day long, what you can not do is direct link or sideways, back-wards, upside down link, to page / sites G does not like.

Understood, but what sites does Google like? I guess i would imagine anything not somewhat scammy, or at the very least, perceived as scammy.

Kenster · 08-11-2010, 09:35 PM

Some of my biggest earners right now are via PPC and free trials. Be a little creative...many of the free trial related keywords that were astronomically priced months ago are now very reasonable, so even if you have to elongate your tunnel, you can see the same return as in the past.

You dont have to outsmart those Google folks, just work with them

Priyax · 08-12-2010, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy_Nick

Yep

You want to do finance related Lead Generation ONLY! Works best with PPC and payouts are huge, I get up to £30 a pop for a simple form submit (no credit card). Very simple really and much higher ROIs than rebills etc.

And yes, Im the guy making $500 / day without a problem nowadays.

Nick

Hey Nick!

What do your sites look like if you don't mind me asking?
(I'm not asking to see screen caps or anything that would ruin your campaigns, just a brief explanation with as much detail as you're comfortable with

)

Priya

rvrabel2002 · 08-12-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenster

Some of my biggest earners right now are via PPC and free trials. Be a little creative...many of the free trial related keywords that were astronomically priced months ago are now very reasonable, so even if you have to elongate your tunnel, you can see the same return as in the past.

You dont have to outsmart those Google folks, just work with them

So are we talking acai berry, teeth whitening, colon cleansing type free trials, or free trials of a major product, like the ab roller or netflix?

i understand that you have to give the user relavent and unique content and your site needs to be be big, and you pretty much cannot direct link an offer from a landing page, but what sort of sales process can you go through to even turn a profit?

ChrisBa · 08-12-2010, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvrabel2002

Hey guys,
Im not that new to the forum, but im no expert either. I followed the advice of many on this forum, and I saw great success (like $500 days) after i started advertising acai berry and cleansing products. I dont have to tell you how that went with adwords, but needless to say, 2 accounts later and Im still stumped as to what google will and will not allow on adwords.

From what i gather, they do not like any free trial product whatsoever, for good reason. Same goes with rebills, and the obvious data entry, etc. etc.

You can't direct link, you can't build small websites, and it appears you cannot link to another website, at all.....otherwise, it's a bridge page. Isn't this the fundamental framework of the internet, where many sites link up.

Any gurus, experienced marketers, can you please enlighten me as to what types of affiliate products you can advertise on google adwords?

Rob

Insurance, Loans, Credit Cards, ebooks, physical products, etc - huge list

webdango · 08-12-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KC-Coop

Google likes sites that add value and actually have content. The biggest thing with Google is adding value as an affiliate - so you would want a content based website in your niche before you started promoting the Adwords campaign.

Build out the site like you were going to promote it using SEO - some rich content articles on a wordpress blog and then build the squeeze page on that site.

That didn't work for me. I was pushing club membership offers as a blog pages backed up by dozens of original content pages on the products and services the club offered. I ran these campaigns for YEARS and did well.

Early this year - bam! Kicked out of Adwords for bridge pages.

It seems to me that if you aren't selling it direct from your site, you're going to be out of luck when it comes to Adwords.

rvrabel2002 · 08-12-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by webdango

That didn't work for me. I was pushing club membership offers as a blog pages backed up by dozens of original content pages on the products and services the club offered. I ran these campaigns for YEARS and did well.

Early this year - bam! Kicked out of Adwords for bridge pages.

It seems to me that if you aren't selling it direct from your site, you're going to be out of luck when it comes to Adwords.

This is EXACTLY what im talking about.....Yes, I agree, you can get into other industries like credit repair, lead gen, insurance, ebooks, etc. But the bottom line is, google defines these as bridge pages:

"Pages that act as an intermediary, whose sole purpose is to link or redirect traffic to the parent company"

Is this not what we do as affiliates. Look, im not trying to make this more complicated than it needs to be, i just can't see how you can advertise anything on adwords, simply because you cannot link to another site.

I would hate to spend the time and resources to create a large site, with a nice sales funnel, leading the user on a path to a "sale", only to have my site shut down because its a bridge page.

Kenster · 08-12-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rvrabel2002

So are we talking acai berry, teeth whitening, colon cleansing type free trials, or free trials of a major product, like the ab roller or netflix?

i understand that you have to give the user relavent and unique content and your site needs to be be big, and you pretty much cannot direct link an offer from a landing page, but what sort of sales process can you go through to even turn a profit?

I feel like a huge jerk but I dont want to reveal the exact process of my better live campaigns, but I will leave you this.

Think of yourself as a lead aggregator. You are using PPC to essentially purchase leads. At this checkpoint, you aren't selling anything so as to please the google checks, which arent as stringent as you may think.

Now that you have purchased these leads, now develop a sales process to convert them. Set up different funnels for different "types" of keywords. The keywords people use tell a lot about their motivations and intentions. Use this knowledge to create unique sales funnels aimed at converting these unique motivations and intentions.

Thats all I'm leaving you with. Work with it

rvrabel2002 · 08-12-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenster

I feel like a huge jerk but I dont want to reveal the exact process of my better live campaigns, but I will leave you this.

Think of yourself as a lead aggregator. You are using PPC to essentially purchase leads. At this checkpoint, you aren't selling anything so as to please the google checks, which arent as stringent as you may think.

Now that you have purchased these leads, now develop a sales process to convert them. Set up different funnels for different "types" of keywords. The keywords people use tell a lot about their motivations and intentions. Use this knowledge to create unique sales funnels aimed at converting these unique motivations and intentions.

Thats all I'm leaving you with. Work with it

Thanks Kenster, now your gonna drive me absolutely insane trying to figure out what you mean by this, i'll over-think everything, bite my nails for a couple days, get scared to start a campaign, and blow it! Haha

In Reality though, do you mean you drive visitors to an email auto-responder, and then slowly build a relationship with them? Offer them some sort of incentive to sign up to email list? What would be an incentive? Free t-shirt? Keychain? E-book?

Give a jersey brotha a break? Haha. Thanks man.

Kenster · 08-12-2010, 08:53 PM

Just give your ideas a shot and remember to work with the rules, dont try and "fake" the PPC platform out.

Test small and the most important thing is targeting your marketing message and funnel as specific as possible.

tryinhere · 08-12-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rvrabel2002

do you mean you drive visitors to an email auto-responder, and then slowly build a relationship with them? Offer them some sort of incentive to sign up to email list? What would be an incentive? Free t-shirt? Keychain? E-book?.

here are some rules to play by / make it harder than any kenster cryptic game play / just to make it that little bit harder to work out what he is really saying. / above and below may be cryptic in itself ?

X - Data collection sites that imply delivery of free items, etc., in order to collect private information. This would include shady re-bill type sites.

X - Data collection sites that offer free items, etc., in order to collect private information.

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rvrabel2002 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 516 Thanks: 60 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	OK, so Free Trials and Rebills are out, WHAT CAN I ADVERTISE ON ADWORDS? Hey guys, Im not that new to the forum, but im no expert either. I followed the advice of many on this forum, and I saw great success (like $500 days) after i started advertising acai berry and cleansing products. I dont have to tell you how that went with adwords, but needless to say, 2 accounts later and Im still stumped as to what google will and will not allow on adwords. From what i gather, they do not like any free trial product whatsoever, for good reason. Same goes with rebills, and the obvious data entry, etc. etc. You can't direct link, you can't build small websites, and it appears you cannot link to another website, at all.....otherwise, it's a bridge page. Isn't this the fundamental framework of the internet, where many sites link up. Any gurus, experienced marketers, can you please enlighten me as to what types of affiliate products you can advertise on google adwords? Rob

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