Email/Zip submits: 1st page vs 2nd page submit, scrubbing

mooble · 09-15-2010, 07:38 PM

So i hear that email and zip submits get the crap "scrubbed" out of them. I have no experience in this area. Is this mostly to do with the 1st page submit deals? I see a lot of offers that have both 1st and 2nd page deals, and the 2nd page deal doesn't really pay too much better. But i'm wondering if the 2nd page ones get scrubbed much less? Is it then better to run 2nd page submits overall? Less conversion but less scrubbing? Or does it even out over time? Do they scrub 2nd page submits just as much? Anyone have any experience with this scrubbing stuff and 1st page vs 2nd page submits?

mikekimm · 09-15-2010, 08:02 PM

second page subs are better. If you send crap traffic or fake leads, or incent the leads, you will end up being scrubbed.

Those advertisers behind these offers are multi million dollar operations, they take in 100's of thousands of email submits a day. They know how to determine if leads are of value or not, at first they let things go as if what they expect will come to them, when they see less and less people filling out the offers after you get paid (how they get paid) then they are used to seeing they then begin to possilby add filters, dedupe any emails they had in the past 30/60/90/180 days etc.. so if they saw the email 6 months ago they may not pay you for it. Also they do geo-ip look-up comparison to address filled out on the forms. if the IP is Cali and the address is NY it gets scrubbed, and dozens of other data validation techniques, then if it still doesnt work they just arbitrailly scrub it down until they scrub enough that its profitable for them and they hope the affiliate stays at that and continues running, if they dont they dont care since it was low value traffic.

Point is, run quality traffic you wont be scrubbed. Stay away from networks where these offers are run by the blackhat community, if a network allows people to run low quality traffic the network is risking having everyone scrubbed

dennis1212 · 09-08-2011, 01:36 AM

just gotta throw my 2 cents in....its not like affiliates go to 7 search, or lead impact and say can i please have the low quality traffic; lol

many many affiliates are staying within the guidlines of the offer and are being robbed....i mean scrubbed too.

now if u r running a search offer on ppv or a no twitter offer on twitter, then thats different and only that affiliate should be penalized.

affiliates are not nearly even getting paid for 50% of the traffic and leads we drive....we are the mom and pops with bills and families while 90% of the networks are bluefarting on us. just look at the direct track system.....designed to steal our commissions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

honestly who cares if the email converts for them so long as it is what they asked for.............can we get refunds from traffic source when we dont get the conversions we desire...................extremely rare to none.

they say they want a zip code to suker us into promoting for them....then if they dont get a sale, home address, phone number and fingerprint they dont want to be liable to pay............oh....well i didnt enjoy the steak...im not paying and me and my wife are leaving;lololol

sloanjim · 09-08-2011, 07:33 AM

That's why you have business people running Networks and us "fodder" running around in circles trying to please them!

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honestly who cares if the email converts for them so long as it is what they asked for.............can we get refunds from traffic source when we dont get the conversions we desire...................extremely rare to none.

CreativesLinda · 09-08-2011, 08:27 AM

This entire industry is about the advertiser making money and totally revolves around that. The advertising dollars they spend is done so with the intention of getting way more back in income. So, whether it's right or not, which it isn't, they'll do whatever it takes to make sure that happens. What I have a problem with is when they use the information they get from these supposed invalid or scrubbed leads - without paying for it. I've griped about this for years. If they don't want to pay for a lead, that's fine. But, if they haven't paid for the info, they shouldn't be able to use it to turn around and sell it or spam email addresses.

dennis1212 · 09-08-2011, 10:53 PM

exactly...........i think they prefer to get half the info for free than to make a sale. or to catch them with an exit pop and screw us. even better some of them have phone numbers right on the offer; lol

09-15-2010, 07:38 PM	#1
mooble HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 111 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Email/Zip submits: 1st page vs 2nd page submit, scrubbing So i hear that email and zip submits get the crap "scrubbed" out of them. I have no experience in this area. Is this mostly to do with the 1st page submit deals? I see a lot of offers that have both 1st and 2nd page deals, and the 2nd page deal doesn't really pay too much better. But i'm wondering if the 2nd page ones get scrubbed much less? Is it then better to run 2nd page submits overall? Less conversion but less scrubbing? Or does it even out over time? Do they scrub 2nd page submits just as much? Anyone have any experience with this scrubbing stuff and 1st page vs 2nd page submits?

09-15-2010, 08:02 PM	#2
mikekimm Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Email/Zip submits: 1st page vs 2nd page submit, scrubbing second page subs are better. If you send crap traffic or fake leads, or incent the leads, you will end up being scrubbed. Those advertisers behind these offers are multi million dollar operations, they take in 100's of thousands of email submits a day. They know how to determine if leads are of value or not, at first they let things go as if what they expect will come to them, when they see less and less people filling out the offers after you get paid (how they get paid) then they are used to seeing they then begin to possilby add filters, dedupe any emails they had in the past 30/60/90/180 days etc.. so if they saw the email 6 months ago they may not pay you for it. Also they do geo-ip look-up comparison to address filled out on the forms. if the IP is Cali and the address is NY it gets scrubbed, and dozens of other data validation techniques, then if it still doesnt work they just arbitrailly scrub it down until they scrub enough that its profitable for them and they hope the affiliate stays at that and continues running, if they dont they dont care since it was low value traffic. Point is, run quality traffic you wont be scrubbed. Stay away from networks where these offers are run by the blackhat community, if a network allows people to run low quality traffic the network is risking having everyone scrubbed

09-08-2011, 01:36 AM	#3
dennis1212 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 250 Thanks: 30 Thanked 49 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Email/Zip submits: 1st page vs 2nd page submit, scrubbing just gotta throw my 2 cents in....its not like affiliates go to 7 search, or lead impact and say can i please have the low quality traffic; lol many many affiliates are staying within the guidlines of the offer and are being robbed....i mean scrubbed too. now if u r running a search offer on ppv or a no twitter offer on twitter, then thats different and only that affiliate should be penalized. affiliates are not nearly even getting paid for 50% of the traffic and leads we drive....we are the mom and pops with bills and families while 90% of the networks are bluefarting on us. just look at the direct track system.....designed to steal our commissions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! honestly who cares if the email converts for them so long as it is what they asked for.............can we get refunds from traffic source when we dont get the conversions we desire...................extremely rare to none. they say they want a zip code to suker us into promoting for them....then if they dont get a sale, home address, phone number and fingerprint they dont want to be liable to pay............oh....well i didnt enjoy the steak...im not paying and me and my wife are leaving;lololol
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09-08-2011, 08:27 AM	#5
CreativesLinda Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: PA in the USA Posts: 81 Thanks: 3 Thanked 21 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Email/Zip submits: 1st page vs 2nd page submit, scrubbing This entire industry is about the advertiser making money and totally revolves around that. The advertising dollars they spend is done so with the intention of getting way more back in income. So, whether it's right or not, which it isn't, they'll do whatever it takes to make sure that happens. What I have a problem with is when they use the information they get from these supposed invalid or scrubbed leads - without paying for it. I've griped about this for years. If they don't want to pay for a lead, that's fine. But, if they haven't paid for the info, they shouldn't be able to use it to turn around and sell it or spam email addresses.
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09-08-2011, 10:53 PM	#6
dennis1212 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 250 Thanks: 30 Thanked 49 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Email/Zip submits: 1st page vs 2nd page submit, scrubbing exactly...........i think they prefer to get half the info for free than to make a sale. or to catch them with an exit pop and screw us. even better some of them have phone numbers right on the offer; lol
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