Go Back   WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > Ad Networks - CPA, CPM, CPL - Millionaire Makers..
Register Blogs FAQ Social Groups CalendarHelp Desk

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-25-2010, 02:35 PM   #1
Active Warrior
 
randerson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 55
Thanks: 9
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile 
Default Is MSN Adcenter the Wild Wild West?

I decided to try out MSN Adcenter for the first time, and I'm really shocked by some of the results their Advertising Intelligence tool is returning. The Excel addin allows you to put a keyword into excel, and then autopopulates the spreadsheet with columns of data.

Every keyword I try with the Keyword Monetization, for different niches, even the highest traffic, even exact match type, even phrases containing the world 'Buy" or "order", show an abysmal CTR. Like, less than 1% for most of them.

I can't figure out what this means: either the tool is worthless, I don't know how to use it, or no one should be using PPC on MSN Adcenter. Or, someone who uses MSN with Adwords quality standards could make a killing, because if you look at the ads for just about any search on Bing, they're absolutely terrible. Could explain the low CTRs.

Feedback?
randerson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2010, 02:39 PM   #2
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
williamrs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Brazil
Posts: 3,496
Thanks: 174
Thanked 1,159 Times in 614 Posts
Default Re: Is MSN Adcenter the Wild Wild West?

If you analyze your keywords for AdWords with Traffic Estimator you will see that Google also considers that you will get a low CTR. These tools are always very pessimist.

However, 1% on Bing is decent, unless you are on the top spots. CTR is always lower for me with Yahoo! and Bing in comparison with Google.


William

>> STOP... <<
Stop struggling alone. Stop wasting time. Stop being scammed.


williamrs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2010, 06:04 PM   #3
Active Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
Posts: 82
Thanks: 3
Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Default Re: Is MSN Adcenter the Wild Wild West?

Quote:
Originally Posted by randerson View Post
I decided to try out MSN Adcenter for the first time, and I'm really shocked by some of the results their Advertising Intelligence tool is returning. The Excel addin allows you to put a keyword into excel, and then autopopulates the spreadsheet with columns of data.

Every keyword I try with the Keyword Monetization, for different niches, even the highest traffic, even exact match type, even phrases containing the world 'Buy" or "order", show an abysmal CTR. Like, less than 1% for most of them.

I can't figure out what this means: either the tool is worthless, I don't know how to use it, or no one should be using PPC on MSN Adcenter. Or, someone who uses MSN with Adwords quality standards could make a killing, because if you look at the ads for just about any search on Bing, they're absolutely terrible. Could explain the low CTRs.

Feedback?

Those numbers are nothing more than VERY conservative estimates and you should not really even bother taking them into consideration. The most important nnumber is the search volume as you obviously want keywords that are going to bring in enough traffic to actually make it worth you time and effort.

That said... You should Definitely be using MSN for your PPC campaigns. Especially since come the middle of october the Bing/Yahoo alliance will kick in full swing and you will be advertising on Yahoo and Bing from the same adcenter interface. Currently MSN has somewhat low volume depending on the niche your in, but that will change drastically soon when the two merge for good.

I personally get very good conversions from MSN as do many successful PPC marketrers.

John

“It is curious - curious that physical courage should be so common in the world, and moral courage so rare”
Johnaxe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2010, 02:14 AM   #4
Warrior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 23
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to Tannerews80
Default Re: Is MSN Adcenter the Wild Wild West?

Generally Adcenter is a messy platform to handle then Adwords. But the ROI there are better
Tannerews80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2010, 10:23 AM   #5
Active Warrior
 
randerson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 55
Thanks: 9
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile 
Default Re: Is MSN Adcenter the Wild Wild West?

Quote:
Originally Posted by williamrs View Post
If you analyze your keywords for AdWords with Traffic Estimator you will see that Google also considers that you will get a low CTR. These tools are always very pessimist.

However, 1% on Bing is decent, unless you are on the top spots. CTR is always lower for me with Yahoo! and Bing in comparison with Google.


William
I never even noticed that Google had this, and never even thought to look for it. I just always assumed my CTR would be good, and never cared what Google thought....it's just that MSN kind of puts it in your face with their tool
randerson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2010, 10:24 AM   #6
Active Warrior
 
randerson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 55
Thanks: 9
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile 
Default Re: Is MSN Adcenter the Wild Wild West?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnaxe View Post
Those numbers are nothing more than VERY conservative estimates and you should not really even bother taking them into consideration.

John
Thanks John--that's kind of what I was thinking. I've never needed this info before, so I probably don't need it now either. Thanks for the validation!
randerson is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > Ad Networks - CPA, CPM, CPL - Millionaire Makers..

Tags
adcenter, msn, west, wild

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:51 AM.