Confessions of a non-tracker

Freeman77 · 10-27-2010, 02:24 PM

I'm what most would consider a very successful CPA marketer. I make a comfortable living promoting CPA offers full time. You might call me crazy, but I don't use any tools to track stats.

The reason I don't is that I haven't found an effective tracking platform. I experimented with Tracking202/Prosper202 back in the day (both hosted and non-hosted version), but I found that it slowed down my link serving, which I feel causes people to abandon the links that they click on.

I also found it tedious to convert my links to Tracking/Prosper links every time I set up a campaign (has this changed?).

I just eyeball my campaigns. At any point in the day, I'm not really sure exactly how much money I've made, though if I take a minute to check out each network, I can get an exact amount.

My approach is that if I can't get a campaign to perform to an extent that I know it's making good money, I don't pursue it. I'm not going to invest $100 to make $105, so none of my campaigns are so close that I need to closely track them to see if I'm squeaking by with a profit.

I'm recently experimenting with Bevo Media, which is a free stats tracker (I'm not promoting this - I have no relationship with them). There is some delay in reporting, and it's not entirely accurate because I'm running traffic to a couple networks that aren't available on Bevo. Besides that, it's working well.

Eventually, I will integrate better tracking -- I have a feeling it will happen when I hire someone to help me with it. I just wrote this to say that you don't necessarily have to be obsessive about stat tracking to be successful. Then again, my messy approach probably isn't for everyone.

I've been able to scale my campaigns up without tracking, and I know I'll be able to continue to do so. I'm not saying tracking doesn't help -- just that you can be successful without being an obsessive tracker.

bravo75 · 10-27-2010, 02:43 PM

Interesting. How do you know where your conversions are coming from, though? Do you use mainly URL or keyword campaigns?

Quatrel · 10-27-2010, 02:55 PM

Freeman77,
Prosper202 was upgraded and I installed it with Mysql 5.1 (big performance jump) on a cloud server and it is lightning fast. Since Mysql is coming out with 5.5 now, that will bring another speed boost.

A warrior StanGracer here knows the system and offer help & training. I bought his WSO and is good info.
Best of luck

williamrs · 10-27-2010, 03:42 PM

We all know that you are a successful affiliate, but I must admit that I'm surprised that you don't track your campaigns. I can't imagine my life without Prosper202.

The problems that you mentioned are very real and it's something that I struggle with in a daily basis, but I still think that I can't "afford" not using a tracking software.

Different people have different ways to run their businesses and it seems that you can do something that I can't. However, if I had to bet I would say that you numbers will get better now that you're using Bevo. I don't know what traffic sources you use, but I think that tracking can be very useful with any type of traffic.

William

CPATrendPhil · 10-27-2010, 03:50 PM

I'm in the same boat as you man. I find dealing with tracking platforms so tedious that I don't really use them. I don't recommend it to most affiliate marketers, but it's obviously something some people are able to get away with.

jeffrey73 · 10-27-2010, 09:49 PM

This is great news to hear. I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds P202 more trouble than it's worth.

It's kind of weird to hear a network owner/AM not recommending affiliates to use a tracking platform though.

CPATrendPhil · 10-27-2010, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffrey73

This is great news to hear. I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds P202 more trouble than it's worth.

It's kind of weird to hear a network owner/AM not recommending affiliates to use a tracking platform though.

I think I used some weird language. I meant I don't recommend an affiliate NOT use tracking.

jeffrey73 · 10-27-2010, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil

I think I used some weird language. I meant I don't recommend an affiliate NOT use tracking.

So you don't use P202 yourself, but you would recommend affiliates use it? Or do you have a better alternative to P202 that you would recommend using?

If so, I'd love to hear of some other ideas.

jeffrey73 · 10-27-2010, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil

I think I used some weird language. I meant I don't recommend an affiliate NOT use tracking.

LOL. I just completely interpreted that wrong.

CPATrendPhil · 10-27-2010, 10:26 PM

I don't use it, but I recommend affiliates using 3rd party tracking tools. FOR THE RECORD lol. I've dabbled around with it -- but I'm so incredibly anal when it comes to certain things, that I literally sit there around the clock watching things so intently and constantly adjusting campaigns and such that I personally don't need the tracking. I understand it may not be the best way of running campaigns, but I'm not really running lots of campaigns myself anymore, so doesn't really affect me personally much anymore.

Quatrel · 10-28-2010, 01:57 AM

Well it certainly has a lot of steps - and if you are not careful, the chances of making errors are high.

I remember reading somewhere that a very large percentage of spreadsheets have errors ... extrapolating that to tracking makes me wonder how many errors are lurking inside ... lol ...

jeffrey73 · 10-28-2010, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wise Grasshopper

Bevo Media is super simple. Much less steps than 202. I recommend if you guys are just starting off for sure (and even if your not).

BEVO looks INCREDIBLE, to be honest. The problem is that the free tracker leaves your stats completely open. Not sure if that's really a problem, but there is still potential.

Quatrel · 10-29-2010, 12:52 AM

So Bevo is running out of beta now ? That is good news. When I looked at them ages ago, it was still a work in progress.

bigbrian · 10-29-2010, 01:06 AM

Back in the day when I went to use T202 I found it very frustrating as well. I have not used it in a while so I assume they might have changed things a bit - then again maybe not?

Bevo is a nice and clean platform. Envyus Media will be listed as a network on Bevo shortly.

Brian

nowk · 10-29-2010, 02:32 AM

Hey,

It's great to see you say your opinions on bevo media. I need a tracker and soon

Been thinking prosper 202 or Bevo Media

Any suggestions guys?!

And do they install the same way?

Geoffrey Freedom · 10-29-2010, 02:59 AM

Sometimes all the software we use for IM reminds of the scene in caddy shack when Rodney Dangerfield pulls out the golf club with a million gizmos and gadgets attached to it.

bravo75 · 10-29-2010, 01:01 PM

Yeah, and Chevy Chase floating around going: na-na-na-na and winning all the juicy prizes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Freedom

Sometimes all the software we use for IM reminds of the scene in caddy shack when Rodney Dangerfield pulls out the golf club with a million gizmos and gadgets attached to it.

Quatrel · 10-29-2010, 02:25 PM

Well said ... lol ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Freedom

Sometimes all the software we use for IM reminds of the scene in caddy shack when Rodney Dangerfield pulls out the golf club with a million gizmos and gadgets attached to it.

Flaura78 · 10-29-2010, 03:48 PM

Yep, I tried Tracking 202 did not work for me.... However I still use trackers, therefore when one of the offers is withdrawn, I can actually replace the link as well. Stops me losing money

jeffrey73 · 10-29-2010, 04:16 PM

It's amazing how so many affiliates can talk up this tracker ( P202 ) for so long as it being the greatest invention on the planet. Yet from the other side, you can also hear so many other affiliates talk about how bad it sucks.

Freeman77 · 10-29-2010, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil

I've dabbled around with it -- but I'm so incredibly anal when it comes to certain things, that I literally sit there around the clock watching things so intently and constantly adjusting campaigns and such that I personally don't need the tracking. .

I have to admit that I suffer from this too. It can be hard to walk away from our precious campaigns. Speaking of which, brb..

Freeman77 · 10-29-2010, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffrey73

Yet from the other side, you can also hear so many other affiliates talk about how bad it sucks.

P202 probably works great for some, and I'm sure many feel that it's awesome. It's just too time-consuming for me.

Like I said, I've currently added Bevomedia into my stat-checking routine, and so far it's doing a nice job. Very user-friendly, and the owner, Ryan, has been very responsive. Though I still need a couple of network owners to get on the ball and get their networks available on Bevo.

I urge network owners to establish contact with the admin at bevomedia.com if their network isn't yet available!

Chris Worner · 10-29-2010, 07:26 PM

Does bevomedia work with PPV?

jeffrey73 · 10-29-2010, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Does bevomedia work with PPV?

It looks like it works GREAT with anything!

Cash37 · 10-29-2010, 09:51 PM

I just use good ol Microsoft EXCEL.

Ive experimented with EVERYTHING currently on the market and nothing works better than logging in the morning, and copy and pasting my spend and earnings to a good ol excel sheet.

My excel sheet calculates every little thing I want, I can see ROI of my total spend at a glance, and its hosted on my PC not some server or some cloud. There really isnt a better solution.

Quatrel · 10-30-2010, 02:40 AM

Hmmm ... just ran across this: Warning: Bevo Media PPC Tracking = Lame Duck

Quatrel · 10-30-2010, 02:43 AM

And this .... Ian Fernando » Bevo Media Released, a 202 Killer?
and this ... Prosper 202 vs Bevo Media, Which is Faster Case Study- MikeChiasson.com

ChrisBa · 10-30-2010, 08:04 AM

The big reason why so many people love p202 and t202, is it was pretty much the first free tracker, and it's open source..

It's going to be interesting once Bevo catches on...

QuickSurf · 10-30-2010, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash37

I just use good ol Microsoft EXCEL.

Ive experimented with EVERYTHING currently on the market and nothing works better than logging in the morning, and copy and pasting my spend and earnings to a good ol excel sheet.

My excel sheet calculates every little thing I want, I can see ROI of my total spend at a glance, and its hosted on my PC not some server or some cloud. There really isnt a better solution.

Would you mind if I asked if you could send me a copy of that excel sheet with the formulas? I used to be good with excell years ago now it's been so long I can't remember how to do any of the stuff I used to lol

Cash37 · 11-05-2010, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickSurf

Would you mind if I asked if you could send me a copy of that excel sheet with the formulas? I used to be good with excell years ago now it's been so long I can't remember how to do any of the stuff I used to lol

PM me your email address

Boolade · 11-06-2010, 05:59 PM

i always actually enjoyed tracking. i felt like if i was tracking i was able to actually get the most out of each of my campaigns and it was almost like a game, almost. but if you start tracking right now i feel like you would realize how worth it it can be to your business.

johnkn · 11-06-2010, 07:00 PM

I'm starting to test some PPC campaigns and I'm using prosper202. It seems to be very good and easy to use (at least until now). However, I noticed that sometimes it takes too long to redirect me to my landing page. I don't if it happens only to me (not to other people who click on my ads), but I'm afraid that it will make me lose conversions.

Now that I know that some big guys don't use a tracking system I'm more confident to make some tests without prosper. I think I will just use subIDs and see what happens...

jeffrey73 · 11-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkn

Now that I know that some big guys don't use a tracking system I'm more confident to make some tests without prosper. I think I will just use subIDs and see what happens...

Don't deny it, it still works! Many people track with spreadsheets, or just a pen and notebook. My first ever profitable campaign I tracked only by sub-ids.

Juan-Pablo · 11-09-2010, 01:28 AM

I use P202, but I don't really like it much. Setting up campaigns takes much longer than it should, and there are some annoying bugs. Might try Bevo soon.

I'll admit I was very shocked to read people are making good money without tracking. Can't imagine doing it myself.

badboy_Nick · 11-09-2010, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freeman77

I just eyeball my campaigns. At any point in the day, I'm not really sure exactly how much money I've made, though if I take a minute to check out each network, I can get an exact amount.

My approach is that if I can't get a campaign to perform to an extent that I know it's making good money, I don't pursue it. I'm not going to invest $100 to make $105, so none of my campaigns are so close that I need to closely track them to see if I'm squeaking by with a profit.

I used to do that as well, and I can tell you it works.

Most people cant do that so, and if you are playing in high risk industries like finance you cant afford NOT to have tracking ... you are simply playing with too much money and it would be like gambling. you know, spending £500 per day without tracking would be suicide.

Nick

10-27-2010, 02:24 PM	#1
Freeman77 IM GENIUS War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 522 Thanks: 17 Thanked 51 Times in 37 Posts	Confessions of a non-tracker I'm what most would consider a very successful CPA marketer. I make a comfortable living promoting CPA offers full time. You might call me crazy, but I don't use any tools to track stats. The reason I don't is that I haven't found an effective tracking platform. I experimented with Tracking202/Prosper202 back in the day (both hosted and non-hosted version), but I found that it slowed down my link serving, which I feel causes people to abandon the links that they click on. I also found it tedious to convert my links to Tracking/Prosper links every time I set up a campaign (has this changed?). I just eyeball my campaigns. At any point in the day, I'm not really sure exactly how much money I've made, though if I take a minute to check out each network, I can get an exact amount. My approach is that if I can't get a campaign to perform to an extent that I know it's making good money, I don't pursue it. I'm not going to invest $100 to make $105, so none of my campaigns are so close that I need to closely track them to see if I'm squeaking by with a profit. I'm recently experimenting with Bevo Media, which is a free stats tracker (I'm not promoting this - I have no relationship with them). There is some delay in reporting, and it's not entirely accurate because I'm running traffic to a couple networks that aren't available on Bevo. Besides that, it's working well. Eventually, I will integrate better tracking -- I have a feeling it will happen when I hire someone to help me with it. I just wrote this to say that you don't necessarily have to be obsessive about stat tracking to be successful. Then again, my messy approach probably isn't for everyone. I've been able to scale my campaigns up without tracking, and I know I'll be able to continue to do so. I'm not saying tracking doesn't help -- just that you can be successful without being an obsessive tracker.

10-27-2010, 02:43 PM	#2
bravo75 Advanced Warrior Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: From Liverpool, UK Living on the Costa Blanca & Amsterdam, NL Posts: 992 Thanks: 333 Thanked 379 Times in 257 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Interesting. How do you know where your conversions are coming from, though? Do you use mainly URL or keyword campaigns?
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10-27-2010, 02:55 PM	#3
Quatrel Quatrel Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 32 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Freeman77, Prosper202 was upgraded and I installed it with Mysql 5.1 (big performance jump) on a cloud server and it is lightning fast. Since Mysql is coming out with 5.5 now, that will bring another speed boost. A warrior StanGracer here knows the system and offer help & training. I bought his WSO and is good info. Best of luck

10-27-2010, 03:42 PM	#4
williamrs Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,496 Thanks: 174 Thanked 1,159 Times in 614 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker We all know that you are a successful affiliate, but I must admit that I'm surprised that you don't track your campaigns. I can't imagine my life without Prosper202. The problems that you mentioned are very real and it's something that I struggle with in a daily basis, but I still think that I can't "afford" not using a tracking software. Different people have different ways to run their businesses and it seems that you can do something that I can't. However, if I had to bet I would say that you numbers will get better now that you're using Bevo. I don't know what traffic sources you use, but I think that tracking can be very useful with any type of traffic. William
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10-27-2010, 03:50 PM	#5
CPATrendPhil Network Owner - CPATrend Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New York, NY Posts: 254 Thanks: 43 Thanked 52 Times in 36 Posts Contact Info	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker I'm in the same boat as you man. I find dealing with tracking platforms so tedious that I don't really use them. I don't recommend it to most affiliate marketers, but it's obviously something some people are able to get away with.
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10-27-2010, 09:49 PM	#6
jeffrey73 AdCopyAssault.com War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,073 Thanks: 1,249 Thanked 450 Times in 374 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker This is great news to hear. I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds P202 more trouble than it's worth. It's kind of weird to hear a network owner/AM not recommending affiliates to use a tracking platform though.
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10-27-2010, 10:26 PM	#10
CPATrendPhil Network Owner - CPATrend Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New York, NY Posts: 254 Thanks: 43 Thanked 52 Times in 36 Posts Contact Info	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker I don't use it, but I recommend affiliates using 3rd party tracking tools. FOR THE RECORD lol. I've dabbled around with it -- but I'm so incredibly anal when it comes to certain things, that I literally sit there around the clock watching things so intently and constantly adjusting campaigns and such that I personally don't need the tracking. I understand it may not be the best way of running campaigns, but I'm not really running lots of campaigns myself anymore, so doesn't really affect me personally much anymore.
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10-28-2010, 01:57 AM	#11
Quatrel Quatrel Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 32 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Well it certainly has a lot of steps - and if you are not careful, the chances of making errors are high. I remember reading somewhere that a very large percentage of spreadsheets have errors ... extrapolating that to tracking makes me wonder how many errors are lurking inside ... lol ...

10-29-2010, 12:52 AM	#13
Quatrel Quatrel Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 32 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker So Bevo is running out of beta now ? That is good news. When I looked at them ages ago, it was still a work in progress.

10-29-2010, 01:06 AM	#14
bigbrian The Boss // Envyus Media War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 318 Thanks: 29 Thanked 57 Times in 50 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Back in the day when I went to use T202 I found it very frustrating as well. I have not used it in a while so I assume they might have changed things a bit - then again maybe not? Bevo is a nice and clean platform. Envyus Media will be listed as a network on Bevo shortly. Brian
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10-29-2010, 02:32 AM	#15
nowk Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 43 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Hey, It's great to see you say your opinions on bevo media. I need a tracker and soon Been thinking prosper 202 or Bevo Media Any suggestions guys?! And do they install the same way?

10-29-2010, 02:59 AM	#16
Geoffrey Freedom Geoffrey Freedom War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 69 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Sometimes all the software we use for IM reminds of the scene in caddy shack when Rodney Dangerfield pulls out the golf club with a million gizmos and gadgets attached to it.

10-29-2010, 03:48 PM	#19
Flaura78 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 186 Thanks: 22 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Yep, I tried Tracking 202 did not work for me.... However I still use trackers, therefore when one of the offers is withdrawn, I can actually replace the link as well. Stops me losing money
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10-29-2010, 04:16 PM	#20
jeffrey73 AdCopyAssault.com War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,073 Thanks: 1,249 Thanked 450 Times in 374 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker It's amazing how so many affiliates can talk up this tracker ( P202 ) for so long as it being the greatest invention on the planet. Yet from the other side, you can also hear so many other affiliates talk about how bad it sucks.
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10-29-2010, 07:26 PM	#23
Chris Worner Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,333 Thanks: 1,913 Thanked 652 Times in 344 Posts Contact Info	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Does bevomedia work with PPV?

10-29-2010, 09:51 PM	#25
Cash37 Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Carolina, USA. Posts: 2,134 Thanks: 153 Thanked 182 Times in 108 Posts Social Networking	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker I just use good ol Microsoft EXCEL. Ive experimented with EVERYTHING currently on the market and nothing works better than logging in the morning, and copy and pasting my spend and earnings to a good ol excel sheet. My excel sheet calculates every little thing I want, I can see ROI of my total spend at a glance, and its hosted on my PC not some server or some cloud. There really isnt a better solution.
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10-30-2010, 02:40 AM	#26
Quatrel Quatrel Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 32 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker Hmmm ... just ran across this: Warning: Bevo Media PPC Tracking = Lame Duck

10-30-2010, 02:43 AM	#27
Quatrel Quatrel Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 32 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker And this .... Ian Fernando » Bevo Media Released, a 202 Killer? and this ... Prosper 202 vs Bevo Media, Which is Faster Case Study- MikeChiasson.com

10-30-2010, 08:04 AM	#28
ChrisBa Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,126 Thanks: 10 Thanked 507 Times in 401 Posts Social Networking	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker The big reason why so many people love p202 and t202, is it was pretty much the first free tracker, and it's open source.. It's going to be interesting once Bevo catches on...
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11-06-2010, 05:59 PM	#31
Boolade Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker i always actually enjoyed tracking. i felt like if i was tracking i was able to actually get the most out of each of my campaigns and it was almost like a game, almost. but if you start tracking right now i feel like you would realize how worth it it can be to your business.

11-06-2010, 07:00 PM	#32
johnkn Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker I'm starting to test some PPC campaigns and I'm using prosper202. It seems to be very good and easy to use (at least until now). However, I noticed that sometimes it takes too long to redirect me to my landing page. I don't if it happens only to me (not to other people who click on my ads), but I'm afraid that it will make me lose conversions. Now that I know that some big guys don't use a tracking system I'm more confident to make some tests without prosper. I think I will just use subIDs and see what happens...

11-09-2010, 01:28 AM	#34
Juan-Pablo Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Confessions of a non-tracker I use P202, but I don't really like it much. Setting up campaigns takes much longer than it should, and there are some annoying bugs. Might try Bevo soon. I'll admit I was very shocked to read people are making good money without tracking. Can't imagine doing it myself.
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