storge

Hi,Don't you think some CPA networks should give their reasons why they deny applications so that applicants can improve on their applications when do decide to do a re-submission?

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williamrs

Yes, I think that they should and most actually do it.

However, it can be not about improving the application. You submit your application, explain how you drive traffic and they decide if they would like to work with you or not. There can be nothing to improve, maybe you're simply not the type of affiliate they are looking for and other networks may accept you.


William

storge

Your are right William but some CPA networks can assist applicants better(i m sure applicants would greatly appreciate such gesture) if they are more specific why they reject certain applications even though applicants may have already stated how they intend to drive traffic( i have no issue with whatever reasons for rejection ).If they have issues with the applications,they can always verified with the applicants so applicants can address the concerns the networks may have with the applications concerned,why don't some networks do it?.The problem is that applicants may not know where to start with their application for re-submission or look elsewhere if they are kept in the dark,especially if they feel they have stated all the relevant information needed to the network concerned.Any CPA network response?Thanks!

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PPC-Coach

They do it because of time constraints.

You can't have employees rejecting applications and giving exact details why. It's too much manpower and too costly. Networks get hundreds of apps daily, they have to focus on what makes them money, not what doesn't.

I know it sucks if you get rejected, but don't take it personally, just reapply a couple weeks later and follow it up with a phone call. You'll get in.

COPEAC Stephen

From a networks point of view, it's very tough to get a ton of information and get a feel for a potential publisher by just reading the information on an application...That's why we do all of our approvals and follow up's over the phone now...You get a much more in depth view of what a publisher is doing, what a publisher needs from the network, ETC...

There are only a few reasons that would cause me to deny an application.

1) The publisher is fraud (lists an address in NY but has a phone number an IP from a foreign country, wont jump on a call, ETC..all signs point to the publisher trying to gain entry to de-fraud the network or hand off the account to someone that will)

2) Lack of experience, and when we do this we provide forums as well as other resources publishers can use to expand their knowledge base

3) They fail to provide the information or materials we need to push the application through (government ID for payment purposes along with a W-8 / W-9

I understand your frustration, if you're applying for a network, get denied and don't have information related to what you need to do to gain entry, you're left in the dark...

My advice, pick up the phone and call the network and go into more detail about your methods, plans for running offers, ETC..the network will have a much broader vision of you as a publisher if you pick up the phone...and the easy answer is, move onto the next network...there are hundreds / thousands of networks out there..

all the best.

storge

I agree but I think some applicants may not take it personally and would seriously like to know the reasons and improve on the application if they feel there is still hope with the application with the network they applied or future application to other networks.Look at it this way,both applicants and networks benefit cos applicants know their application is being reviewed if reasons are stated. Networks will have their concerns addressed eventually.

I empathized that these networks have lots of applications to be reviewed daily but ironically,by stating the reasons to applicants,networks actually save more time and manpower as as a result,applicants can work on their applications if there is a reason to do so and move on if there is nothing applicant can do about it. Some applications may be rejected due to some misunderstanding,so it is good to clarify them.

I respect networks who state the reasons for rejecting applications,it shows they are serious in reviewing the applications and view each applicant as a working partner.

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storge

I agree with most of what you mentioned and i respect networks who make an extra effort to give the reasons for rejection.To me,it clearly shows applications are seriously reviewed,it is also a form of mutual respect and these networks want to find working partners even though they have rejected these applications.Eg.Even if my application is being rejected and may disagree with the reasons given but these networks still get my respect cos they give me a reason to work on it or move on.I salute these networks,keep up the good job whoever you are.Well done!

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storge

hi, I would like to thank warriors for your kind contributions to this thread and response to my question.

Once again,I would like to thank those networks who really take time and effort to at least give reasons for rejection of applications,shows their level of professionalism and treat applicants seriously as working partners since applicants play their part by giving lots of personal information like name,email,address,phone numbers and other information requested.

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azmanar

Hi,

I know how you feel. I was rejected by 10 Networks ! Most of them the often mentioned ones in WF.

They have the right to choose and work with whom they want to.

No need to figure them out. Don't waste time. Try others. Hundreds of them.

Life must go on as usual.

Alexander CPA

I feel the same way about real-life job applications, when you go to apply for say, a job in a office, you may not always hear anything, the same with CPA networks, I suppose it may be because they do get 100's of applications every day, they don't have the time/resources to contact everyone saying why they were declined. Plus the amount of spam traffic CPA networks get, from people in China trying to get accepted to spam the offers / submit with fake content / whatever, they don't bother. I may be totally wrong, but it's just what I personally think.

storge

I agree with what you said about 'They have the right to choose and work with whom they want to',however my emphasis of this thread is reasons for rejecting these applications that would be useful for applicants to decide on their course of action,especially if they are not fraud applications.

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storge

Alex,I agree with what you said.' because they do get 100's of applications every day',i also mentioned in my thread that I emphasize with these networks.

Would you agree with me some networks even some big networks do give reasons when they reject these applications despite getting many applications daily?I sincerely respect these networks concerned.

As regard to job applications,it's a different ball game,I would agree with you if we are applying for a job,however,there are some companies who do give reasons for not hiring and it would be great if all companies do that and we should advocate such culture.
Do you not agree with me that we are not applying for a job with these CPA networks,we are not getting a salary from them,we are entrepreneurs and should be treated like working partners and not employees?

They should give reasons for genuine applications,though I agree that it is not easy for networks in certain assessments.I would not agree that everyone from China are fraud applications and criteria should not be based on race or nationality.I do agree that there is always 'black sheep' in every country but not all in that particular country.

My personal thots.

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Eager2SEO

Epic Rejected me but they were very professional about it. They pretty much said they wanted someone who is going to invest around 500/mo in advertising or can prove they have traffic. They suggested I hang out on the forums or try other networks, and come back when I get some more experience. There are networks that will accept you if you provide valid ID. Peerfly is one that comes to mind. There is another one that advertises on this board. Seriously, from what I see in Offervault PF seems very good.

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Hyphen

Blatantly fraudulent applications don't even deserve an explanation, in my opinion.
If you are denying an affiliate for lack of interest in something in their application, that should be noted.

storge

I agree that's why i respect such network like Epic

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storge

yep, i totally agree with you hyphen,i also mentioned in this thread that at least reasons should be given for genuine applications and not fraud applications.

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imservices01

i think half of my cpa applications have been denied (or more than i think) and the other half approved

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We deny an overwhelming amount of applications (probably ~ 95% of applications).

Why?

1) Fraudulent information
2) Application has no effort put into it
3) Ownership of site is not verified, etc. etc.

For minor things, we don't instantly reject, we get into contact with the applicant.

Most people don't realize the time it takes to deal with even one application. There's background checks, pre-screening, THEN phone interview(s), and post-screening.

So after spending enough time on the pre-screening and background checks, to contact every applicant who we're rejecting (which like I said is about 95% of applications), there just isn't enough time in the day, and we wouldn't be able to get anything else done besides letting people know why their application was denied, rather then spending the time on quality affiliates who's applications were approved.

This is solely speaking for my network, but I'm sure many others feel the same way.

The simple equation of Time = Money holds true for everything, especially this scenario.

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storge

As I mentioned a couple of times in this thread,I truly can emphasize with networks that they faced dealing with certain assessments in applications.
I agree with network like yours or if most networks do what you mentioned 'For minor things, we don't instantly reject, we get into contact with the applicant.' I believe most applicants would certainly welcome and appreciate such gesture and feel they are being treated like working partners.It will also depends on how each network define 'minor things' when doing assessment of applications.

My thots!

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storge

Hi Warriors,

Thank you all for your kind contributions to this thread.I do understand as far as this issue is concerned,it is not easy cos every party concerned will be trying to protect their own interest. For networks who have such practice,I thank them and hope that they can continue such practice as it takes lots of effort and time on their part,but realise that it does benefit both networks and applicants concerned in the long run.

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BloggerDeen

The thing is because of the myth that it is very easy to make money through CPA, the no. of applications have gone way too high so may be this is the reason. So giving reasons to each email increase work load. But I guess they should give reason anyway.
But another alternative is instead of email call them and clarify the things if you are experienced internet marketer.

Plugleap

Being a person that approves and denies applications, I can tell you a reason why we don't write back telling the person. Part of it is because we have way too many applications to go through, and another is because of their "Fraud" score. See, we communicate with a lot of the other large networks when dealing with new publishers. If you have been suspended/banned from their network, chances of you getting in ours is extremely slim already, and the other networks do this exact same thing...And this all happens before the famous phone call to verify you and talk to you about joining a network. We have actually started not sending certain affiliates e-mails saying that they are declined, because they have literally been suspended from almost every network...I hope this cleared some of it up for you guys!

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SledgeHammer

But they can give atleast one line reply which won't take any time.

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the one they call D

they all could give a one line reply but if they did that to everyone they denied they wouldn't have any time to help their actual publishers, and that would affect there bottom line and more importantly the bottom line of the publishers that are unable to contact thier account managers. Make sure you give them a call after you submit your application, it takes a few minutes and provides them with more of a sense of security that your not going to cost them money.

bigbrian

We deny applications and never disclose the reason and I can tell you exactly why networks do this. There is a TON of fraudulent applications that come through the networks. There are even some people that have stolen identities and they try to use the stolen info to signup to the network. When a network provides a reason for denial it empowers these frauders and makes them smarter. You simply cannot allow that to happen and that is the reason why networks don't disclose reason for denial.

It's somewhat unfortunate for 'legitimate' applicants because like you are saying... You don't know the reason for denial. Unfortunately because networks need to safeguard themselves a lot won't disclose any information.

Brian

SledgeHammer

bigbrian: Excellent post about why networks are not revealing the reason.

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ChrisBa

Normally its due to a high fraud score and they do not want to give the fraudsters tips on how to improve on how to get accepted..