Key to Preventing Click Fraud?

magicink · 01-12-2011, 10:42 PM

Here's an interesting (for newbies at least) quote I read in an article by Gauher Chaudry about 2nd tier search engines:

"But the problem with the second tier search engines is that they derive their traffic from a number of traffic partner sites. This can results in a large number of fraudulent clicks from partner sources that are just out to steal click revenues.

These second tier search engines don’t have the sophisticated fraud technology that Google Adwords has, so it is hard to determine what clicks are real and which are fraudulent when they charge your account.

The key is to learn how to pass traffic partner IDs from second tier search engines so that you can have these fraudulent traffic sources shut off. If you are disciplined enough to do this and can afford to lose some money up front to clean up the traffic, you will be left with decent converting traffic at the end of this exercise."

I've been experimenting with 7search, but I have no idea what he is saying with regards to passing traffic partner IDs. I had no idea this was even possible. At least with 7search, I have no way to see which of their partners my traffic is coming from. Is the ability to pass traffic partner IDs just a feature that some 2nd tier ad networks have and others don't?

ibarigroup · 01-13-2011, 12:34 AM

Hey Magic, I use 7search as well and you can get in touch with them
directly to find out where your clicks are coming from. I recommend getting in
touch with Brad Stanley.. He helped me over the phone to really optimize my campaign and get some things working. Now I admit, it's not adwords but for >05 per click you should see my conversions

Oh his email is bstanley@7search.com

I'm sure him or someone else over there would be happy to assist you. he's also on here but I forget his ID

Hope that helps you out

mtmjohn · 01-13-2011, 12:39 AM

My experience with 7search has been very positive, just email them if you have any question and they mostly respond back within 24 hours, very helpful guys.

azmanar · 01-13-2011, 03:18 AM

Hi,

I thought of using 7Search in the beginning of my CPA venture.

But they have stipulated very clearly that they will not work with anyone whose addresses are outside US, UK, Australia and Canada. And will not work with anyone having non-English websites.

7Search seemed to be decent, active and promising but very restrictive. They have their business strategy, I guess.

Thanks to this thread, I now know I'm not losing anything. And if they decided to accept me earlier on, I'm exposed to a rather big risk of Click Frauds.

Blessing in disguise for not being accepted into 7Search Ad Channel.

Thanks Magicink.

Raja Kamil · 01-13-2011, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azmanar

Hi,

I thought of using 7Search in the beginning of my CPA venture.

But they have stipulated very clearly that they will not work with anyone whose addresses are outside US, UK, Australia and Canada. And will not work with anyone having non-English websites.

7Search seemed to be decent, active and promising but very restrictive. They have their business strategy, I guess.

Thanks to this thread, I now know I'm not losing anything. And if they decided to accept me earlier on, I'm exposed to a rather big risk of Click Frauds.

Blessing in disguise for not being accepted into 7Search Ad Channel.

Thanks Magicink.

Salam Azman;
Regarding what you said, I'm disagree with you that 7search don't allow us to advertise with them.

I myself had experienced with them.

If you want to advertise with them, just contact their support. Their supports are pretty helpful.

Also for getting a good conversion try to ask their support what work the best.

PS : my hint, don't setup any campaign yet before asking some help from them
PPS : if you asked about my conversion, I got ZERO conversion. Got traffic, but wrong strategy. Killing me btw.

PPPS : Try to look at their fanpage for some offer. Last time, I got $50 advertising bonus for subscribing with them.

azmanar · 01-13-2011, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raja Kamil

Salam Azman;
Regarding what you said, I'm disagree with you that 7search don't allow us to advertise with them.

I myself had experienced with them.

If you want to advertise with them, just contact their support. Their supports are pretty helpful.

Also for getting a good conversion try to ask their support what work the best.

PS : my hint, don't setup any campaign yet before asking some help from them
PPS : if you asked about my conversion, I got ZERO conversion. Got traffic, but wrong strategy. Killing me btw.

PPPS : Try to look at their fanpage for some offer. Last time, I got $50 advertising bonus for subscribing with them.

Salam Raja,

They should take out those stipulations from their pages, if that is the case. Or they'll be frightening people like me away.

I'm not the pushy kind. When I see restrictive stipulations, I'll normally shy away elsewhere. There are lots of alternatives out there anyway.

What do you mean by traffic - CTRs or Impressions? Don't you think Click Fraud is part of the problem you faced when advertising with 7Search? Lots of traffic but zero conversion.

I prefer to take calculated risks than something which is more complex and beyond control.

Lastly, this thread turns out to be very useful.

7SearchBrad · 01-13-2011, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azmanar

Hi,

I thought of using 7Search in the beginning of my CPA venture.

But they have stipulated very clearly that they will not work with anyone whose addresses are outside US, UK, Australia and Canada. And will not work with anyone having non-English websites.

7Search seemed to be decent, active and promising but very restrictive. They have their business strategy, I guess.

Thanks to this thread, I now know I'm not losing anything. And if they decided to accept me earlier on, I'm exposed to a rather big risk of Click Frauds.

Blessing in disguise for not being accepted into 7Search Ad Channel.

Thanks Magicink.

Hello Azmanar,

I appreciate the interest you have shown in working with 7search.com. I am a little unsure of your statement that your address outside of the US will not be allowed. We work very closely with many business who are outside of the US. In fact, the UK is our third highest source of traffic. With regard to non-english websites, I can see where this might be an issue. Over 95% of our keywords are english and with our Click Fraud Technology we look to identify traffic sources that are from English speaking countries or have English sites. I would be happy to discuss opportunities with you further. Please email if possible at bstanley at 7search dot com.

Thanks,

Brad

7SearchBrad · 01-13-2011, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magicink

Here's an interesting (for newbies at least) quote I read in an article by Gauher Chaudry about 2nd tier search engines:

"But the problem with the second tier search engines is that they derive their traffic from a number of traffic partner sites. This can results in a large number of fraudulent clicks from partner sources that are just out to steal click revenues.

These second tier search engines don’t have the sophisticated fraud technology that Google Adwords has, so it is hard to determine what clicks are real and which are fraudulent when they charge your account.

The key is to learn how to pass traffic partner IDs from second tier search engines so that you can have these fraudulent traffic sources shut off. If you are disciplined enough to do this and can afford to lose some money up front to clean up the traffic, you will be left with decent converting traffic at the end of this exercise."

I've been experimenting with 7search, but I have no idea what he is saying with regards to passing traffic partner IDs. I had no idea this was even possible. At least with 7search, I have no way to see which of their partners my traffic is coming from. Is the ability to pass traffic partner IDs just a feature that some 2nd tier ad networks have and others don't?

Hi Magicink,

I would be glad to speak with you further about ways we could work together and to help you understand our interface and what makes 7search such a viable marketing option.

As Ibarigroup has mentioned, please email me so that I can better assist you. bstanley at 7search dot com.

azmanar · 01-13-2011, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7SearchBrad

Hello Azmanar,

I appreciate the interest you have shown in working with 7search.com. I am a little unsure of your statement that your address outside of the US will not be allowed. We work very closely with many business who are outside of the US. In fact, the UK is our third highest source of traffic. With regard to non-english websites, I can see where this might be an issue. Over 95% of our keywords are english and with our Click Fraud Technology we look to identify traffic sources that are from English speaking countries or have English sites. I would be happy to discuss opportunities with you further. Please email if possible at bstanley at 7search dot com.

Thanks,

Brad

Thanks Brad.

If this message came 2 days ago, I would have looked into 7Search seriously before Google Ad.

Yesterday, I've started warming up for Google Adwords. Whatever I'm doing will probably be for about 3 weeks or so.

I will give 7Search a try right after that. We'll discuss over emails first.

7SearchBrad · 01-13-2011, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azmanar

Thanks Brad.

If this message came 2 days ago, I would have looked into 7Search seriously before Google Ad.

Yesterday, I've started warming up for Google Adwords. Whatever I'm doing will probably be for about 3 weeks or so.

I will give 7Search a try right after that. We'll discuss over emails first.

Please feel free to email at any time and please do so before signing up as we may have a promo that you can take advantage of. 7Search.com is a valuable supplement to any other PPC program that is out there including AdWords.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

InternetMoneyStream · 12-16-2011, 05:25 PM

I have seen some ppl using 7search traffic to a MFA site. Isn't this against googles TOS and they will trash your google adwords account if they find out?

01-12-2011, 10:42 PM	#1
magicink Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 33 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Key to Preventing Click Fraud? Here's an interesting (for newbies at least) quote I read in an article by Gauher Chaudry about 2nd tier search engines: "But the problem with the second tier search engines is that they derive their traffic from a number of traffic partner sites. This can results in a large number of fraudulent clicks from partner sources that are just out to steal click revenues. These second tier search engines don’t have the sophisticated fraud technology that Google Adwords has, so it is hard to determine what clicks are real and which are fraudulent when they charge your account. The key is to learn how to pass traffic partner IDs from second tier search engines so that you can have these fraudulent traffic sources shut off. If you are disciplined enough to do this and can afford to lose some money up front to clean up the traffic, you will be left with decent converting traffic at the end of this exercise." I've been experimenting with 7search, but I have no idea what he is saying with regards to passing traffic partner IDs. I had no idea this was even possible. At least with 7search, I have no way to see which of their partners my traffic is coming from. Is the ability to pass traffic partner IDs just a feature that some 2nd tier ad networks have and others don't?

01-13-2011, 12:34 AM	#2
ibarigroup Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Charlotte, NC; USA Posts: 38 Thanks: 15 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Key to Preventing Click Fraud? Hey Magic, I use 7search as well and you can get in touch with them directly to find out where your clicks are coming from. I recommend getting in touch with Brad Stanley.. He helped me over the phone to really optimize my campaign and get some things working. Now I admit, it's not adwords but for >05 per click you should see my conversions Oh his email is bstanley@7search.com I'm sure him or someone else over there would be happy to assist you. he's also on here but I forget his ID Hope that helps you out

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