skeetermcgee

Here's the deal. I'm getting into CPA, and I'm in a hurry to start making money. I have some money to spend, so I don't necessarily need to stick with the time consuming free marketing.

Is it a good idea to get into ppc? Can't I tread lightly and spend small amounts while testing campaigns, and then scale up the winners?

Does anyone know of a good thread / guide for beginner PPC?

thanks

PS. I'm already accepted with peerfly and affiliatecashpile.

webapex

I understand the testing process in CPA can be expensive, plan on losing in perhaps 5 different offer tests before you start that fast money making, I just read an outlook at PPC fron a PPV specialty house:

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I found Chad's Conversion Campus to be quite useful, he spends an hour+ on each major traffic sourse. He talks about using PPC mainly for initial testing.

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melzar

I think you should wait on the PPC, if you don't have too much money to waste

PPC-Coach

If you don't have a budget to play with then don't do it yet. Build one up using free traffic methods, THEN start buying traffic. I've seen too many people think they can spend $5 in testing and see results. That's simply not the case.

u4icjaj

how much money is "enough" to realistically start investing in PPC to finally see a positive return?

I know this is all subjective, but people say to wait until you have enough... I'd like to know what enough is. $500? $1000? $2000? more? Thanks!

Dan Anton

I would personally always spend that money on organic SEO work. PPC is good if you work for a huge company that wants immediate results and doesn't understand the value of what SEO can do.

People have lost everything doing foolish PPC campaigns. PPC should only be conducted using specific testing methods to ensure you are getting more bang for your buck.

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PPC-Coach

PPC is profitable, please don't try to tell me SEO is better. Both can be used. I do SEO stuff too and just hate waiting forever for results. PPC gets instant results.

The only problem is Adwords went and screwed it up badly. Thankfully there's still other PPC engines and there's facebook ads.

Dan Anton

PPC can certainly be profitable, and of course both can be used. However, one has to weigh the opportunity cost of PPC over SEO. Ranking #1 for a term will always be better than PPC. That's a fact. Getting #1 is the hard part though and most people don't have the time, dedication, or knowledge on how to do it properly.

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imkazu

I'd wait on PPC, learn how to do seo and work on your landing page ...
learn:
google website optimizer
how to write good headlines
track your conversions (tracking202)

once you've got the basics and hopefully earned some money along the way, go burn some cash on ppc

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azmanar

Hi,

You're lucky to be in Peerfly. They have very, very good offers that convert in most verticals.

You said, you have some money to spend because you don't want to waste time on free marketing.

I think what you want is to taste PPC gradually and be guided at the same time in the shortest way possible.

Here are links that I can suggest:
1. Training WSO by Mike Morgan : http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-friendly.html

2. Training WSO by Mike Morgan : http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...000-daily.html

3. Training WSO by Kenster : http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...pa-offers.html

4. Coaching Program : developed by Senior Warriors - Kenster and PPC-Coach


So you have 4 of the best up there. Now you don't even have to waste time in trying to figure out things from thousands of WF threads. Everything packaged into professional, easy to follow steps and great time-saver with reduced trial & error costs.

Good Luck !

Note : try PPC first, then try CPM.

Kenster

PPC is great for people with a budget and at least a good understanding of the industry. If you don't know the basics or don't have capital to spend then go for some free traffic first...PPC will always be there to try once you build a budget and learn more.

Too many times I see people diving into AdWords before they even know how to build a landing page. If you don't know how to build a solid landing page and don't know the fundamentals of CPA marketing, you won't do well. No need to rush it.

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Giani

It is better to understand PPC first because many people have lost thousand of Dollars without understanding the tricks. Google is not your friend or sympathetic.

Best would be to join any course and understand PPC.

omk

PPC is so volatile and takes so much fine tuning I always recommend that noobs stay clear. There are some newbies however that are quick learners and can get the gist of things pretty quickly. As a general rule, if you are tight money wise, don't do it. But If you have around $500-$1000 to blow experimenting then go ahead. Just be warned, PPC is not for the faint of heart. Just one wrong calculation or one wrong lading page, offer etc., could cost you some serious $$$$$

u4icjaj

where do you think is the best place to learn how to make a great optimized landing page?

blillard

Man bro I think you should go for it many people feel its not a good start but i really think seo is harder to learn than ppc as long you are able to track your results like a mad man and join ppc-coach you will be ok. I've seen results spending like $20 -30 a day for testing it can be done man go hard and learn it all or you'll be sitting on the side line like everyone else wishing they got in it while they say its too hard.

jeffrey73

I agree. I definitely also agree you can't make money spending $5-$10 per day. It just does not work that easily, unless you get very lucky.

makingmoneyagain

I just thought that PPC is not for us newbs.

Greg

blillard

no matter what you learn you start as a newbie even for the big shots who make bank else where with other traffics sources still have to lean how to win with new traffics sources. You just gotta start.

Apolo

PPC could be lucrative, but the learning curve can be very expensive. the margin are slim, that's if you found something that converts...

Anyway, you probably can't get in with the networks being so new and all...when you apply with the CPA's and ask for your experience, do you have any? how about a website?? you don't have to covered..hmmm

more learning is what needed young padiwan, dont' you?

jeffrey73

For what traffic source? Adwords you need to learn WordPress and build content, whereas Facebook and PoF you can just direct-link or use a single landing page with a button or two on it.

ChadH

This is going to sound odd for some to hear.... but really what is $1,000?

If you bid high and budget low, say $20/day, you can get some decent data and practice. If you had a budget of $1000, you'd learn a lot in that time. With real world data.

I know it's tough for some to say "$1,000 isn't much", but you need to understand that when you get good at it and know how to scale a campaign that shows signs of life, you'll recoup any losses very very quickly. As long as you avoid the big loss, on a long enough time line you should be left with only Big Wins, once all the little wins/losses cancel each other out.

Oh, and this will be weird to hear on an IM forum, but if you're doing paid traffic starting out, I highly recommend you have a job. I get so many emails from people that are like "I need money in 2 months or I will run out of cash and I have a family to support, can you help me please!"

Yes I can.... get a job. Don't go trying to buy traffic when you are making emotional decisions because you can't pay rent and are about to get kicked out of your house.

joyric

Hi Guys,
I am new also and was just doing some research on this very topic. Glad I thought to look here first for some thoughts before I went ahead. I do not have money to waste so will concentrate on free traffic options.
Thanks for this wonderful forum, I am learning heaps already.
Cheers
Joy

azmanar

The magic words were spoken by Jeff. I'll put it to my perspective below.

The advice below is the summary of what some Senior Warriors have said in WF. Only for those who have marketing budgets for CPA.

When we talk about PPC somehow Adwords always come to mind. There are other less expensive avenues namely: FB and 7Search. Very good learning ground, will save money and make money.

Once you've figured out the winners in PPC, then stop PPC for those winners. Optimize the successful offers to CPM ( Cost per Impression ) methods. It will become less expensive because they will get good CTR rates. CPM channels are Plenty Of Fish and FB.

Then test Adwords Banner Ads CPM, which is cheap. Maybe search some active Blog Networks and buy Banner Ad space.

Once you're confident and have enough income stream, graduate to Adwords PPC, if you wish.

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mamu

forget the PPC if you are a newbie.
I am a newbie too,and I try PPC these day,it is so hard for newbie like us to learn PPC if you have not earned moneys yet,try SEO first

tayuyaa

In my opinion you should use PPC only if you have a budget to test campaigns, I think this what everybody try to tell you here. I mean if you track everything and you work smart I dont see why you could not succeed with PPC, at least try, and if you do not have good results you may try free traffic method to be sure to not burn all your money. That's it!

ruphynres

If you have the money, Just spend it in learning the basics of PPC , then make a budget and test, then see the results.

A good place to learn Ppc is PPC coach.

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seoservicescontract

I think beginner should try first free traffic. If they are not fully understand with PPC then should try to know each and everything before investing money in PPC. PPC are being helpful for many people but don't know anyone who are beginner and started this.

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Summer1

As a beginner, i am really afraid to use PPC, i am the typical person who want to earn, and not to loose.

I prefer learn slowly than fast but risky..but once i really know about PPC i want to try.

Kay Brasher

I would not do PPC without doing some test marketing 1st as you can invest $500.00 and lose the next day. So, do yourself a favor and do some split testing.

7SearchBrad

Hello SkeeterMcGee,

I would be glad to speak with you about ways in which 7Search.com has been able to provide a viable option to those looking to expand their marketing reach. I can be reached at bstanley at 7search dot com and currently we are offering a special promo for new advertisers.

I look forward to discuss online marketing with you.

success1618

If I were to do it all over again and rewind a couple months back I wouldn't have touched PPC. I went through 500$ fast, using marketing makeover generator as my lead capture page, had terrible conversions.

Now in terms of my regular job, as a server the season is over. The place is dead, and I don't have 54 for hosting, to set up a blog or anything for that matter.

PPC I imagine is great when you established and have proven conversion and add copy, but when your just starting out you should save that money for other costs.

Besides its seems Article Marketing, Press Releases, and Forum Marketing are far stronger FREE methods to get yourself launched.

For us new guys, stay away from the thought, just because I am spending money it means I will make more money then if I did alternative methods.

IanBelanger

Sure PPC will get faster results, but if you do not pick good, relavant, niche specific keywords, then you are just wasting money. I would learn about keyword research before you even attempt PPC and free traffic is always better than paid. I started my blog 2 months ago and I am already 299,000 on alexa with 3 PR and this is the first blog I have ever created. I would start a blog, need ideas, click my link.

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7SearchBrad

I agree with you that it is important to have quality relevant keywords that properly relate to what it is that you are offering and trying to promote. There are many Keyword Suggestion tools out there and 7Search has one that will show what the current bids are on any given keyword.

"free traffic" can be a bit misleading in my opinion. Are you referring to SEO traffic? If so, it can be costly to optimize your site in order to make it appealing to the spiders and various algorithms engines use. In some cases people 1000's of dollars in order to get their selves placed in a position that will bring them positive results.

I would be glad to share some time discussing our interface and how it makes PPC advertising easy and fun for even the beginning marketers. Feel free to email me at bstanley at 7search dot com.

KC-Coop

If you're looking to get into Facebook PPC then we'll be happy to help. We have an internal guide for all of our affiliates if you're interested.

Some other newbie guides are:

Newbie Guide | NickyCakes.com
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Dan Anton

Facebook PPC can be very good if you do it right. I'm averaging .02-.04 per click across my campaigns for highly targeted traffic. Took me months to get to this level of understanding though.

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williamrs

PPC vs SEO, an old discussion, but people always get excited defending their points of view.

SEO allowed me to build a solid income, but it didn't take too long for me to switch to PPC. Nowadays, almost all of my income comes from PPC (several platforms).

IMO, asking which is better, PPC or SEO, isn't right. This question doesn't make sense. What people have to ask is "which is better FOR ME?", exactly as the OP did.

If you have time, but are on a budget, don't try to fool yourself, you can't do well with PPC. You can buy great courses, but there are some lessons that you have to learn in the practice, and it will cost you money. So SEO is better for you. You won't get instant results, it may take a month or 2 for you to start seeing conversions, but you will build a solid income online, you just need to be patiente and keep focused.

However, if you have money and want fast results, I think that you can get started directly with PPC. Just choose one vertical and one platform and keep focused. Don't try too many different things or you will end up spending a lot of money and learning nothing. Focus, focus and focus...

So we will never find an absolute answer for this old question, simply because such answer doesn't exist. Each person is different and it's a mistake to say that there is a way that everybody should follow in order to succeed online.


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tayuyaa

I think everything is said in this post

Genesis1

yes you can start with it, but you need to get to know the whole thing, in other way it's just wasted time and money

blillard

Make sure you grab a adwords voucher before you start to kinda give you a boost.

blillard

Your the man Will as always

Trinidad

I dont recommend newbie to stat immediately with PPC as this works only with PRO or you will lose everything. Start from the begin point and scale up when you are more solid on your current carrer

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Mike Morgan.

Even though PPC is very effective to drive traffic to your CPA offers , in order to get the most from it , you need to learn and master it .

If you are thinking of PPC to make money with in days or weeks , you are wrong . In order to reap the benefits of PPC , You need to invest your time and energy .

BloggerDeen

PPC is risky despite of whatever says. Specially if you are newbie the chances of loosing money are pretty high. So best strategy is SEO or article marketing if you don't have enough money to burn.

azmanar

Hi,

Judge wisely before taking actions.

1. Some people like to take risks on their own and may learn something from it.

2. Some people like to take risks through some guidance and learn from it.

3. Some people don't like to take risks for many reasons.

It really depends on their unique situation, goals and direction.

Just because we're in such and such situation, doesn't mean everyone else has to be in the same boat with us.

We cannot impose anything on anyone.

jackroze59

no ..beginners should not go for ppc ..they can loose a lot of money

mtmjohn

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nandi

As a beginner I would get me a mentor and also if i have money i can afford to lose otherwise PPC is not for the lily livered like me

Bill Jenkins

I would recommend against PPC unless you have the skills AND the money for testing.

PPC can ruthlessly deplete money reserves, especially in the competitive markets.

I would start with free traffic sources, make some money, study up, then tackle PPC. That's the way to go in my opinion.

Bill

Daniel Deegan

Personally I think someone new could make PPC work in a safe manner as long as they have the right mindset going into it. You can get started with a small budget, but don't go in with the intention of making a bunch of money in the process. Your goal should be to learn the PPC process, meaning proper tracking,setting up landers, optimization and conversions, etc. All the stuff you'll need just on a small scale.

You also want to get your mind right, meaning eliminating the fear of spending money on traffic. You'll see with your very own eyes how the math works. Your profits, losses, roi, etc will becoming very clear and real they will just be very tiny.

Small scale PPC reminds me of paper trading stocks except you are spending some money. There is no real way to do the equivalent of paper trading with PPC. So you'r only option is to start small.

You better of learning and losing small so when you do have the money to go big at least you'll know what your doing and have confidence to some extent.

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