The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tradermike2008

Your postings speak for themsevles.

As do yours Mike.

MaskedMarketer · 12-13-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

I believe very strongly in customer service. You are preaching to the converted. This is not within my control.

James,

I understand, but remember you are one of the faces of the program. You were pushing it here.

Its there fault, but you were involved, so guilt by association

tradermike2008 · 12-13-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by amirla84

"[/B]I thought all these gurus (tellman knudson, Mike Filsaime, Michael Cheney, Shawn casey, Eben Pagan,…) make millions of dollars a yr. so why would they put their reputation on the line and do a hyped up testimonial to get an extra 5% in commission? that's an extra $100. hmmmmmmm interesting

I thought it was pretty hard to believe myself too, but I come from an industry where it is actually ILLEGAL to take money for something without disclosing it, so maybe it just surprises me more than it should.

But I really don't believe the gurus were there to make big commissions as an affiliate for this product. I think more likely that they all work together as affiliates for each and have made money from Fallon and stompernet being their affiliate and wanted to return the favor to help their buddy out.

Put yourself in their shoes. Hey Brad and Stompernet gave me 100k in sales on my last launch. I'm going to do a launch next year. He's asking me to go to vegas and promote. So I'll go, he helped me out before and hope he helps me again.

Fallon actually talk about this "reciprocity" on the JV Blog:

http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/

Scroll on down to Fallon video and watch the last 20 seconds of it. This is probably why most of the gurus were really promoting it. To come, network, and get tapped into the Fallon affiliate network and his relationship with stompernet and their affiliates. This launch should be small potatoes, unless they aren't as big as they seem to be, which I'm sure is the case with a lot of them.

MaskedMarketer · 12-13-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tradermike2008

Put yourself in their shoes. Hey Brad and Stompernet gave me 100k in sales on my last launch. I'm going to do a launch next year. He's asking me to go to vegas and promote. So I'll go, he helped me out before and hope he helps me again.

they all do that. Its part of networking.

they scratch each other's backs-

and thats fine, but don't give your customers crappy support and do shady tactics that raise questions about your character.

SEORundown · 12-13-2008, 12:25 PM

Two things, 1st - I think that the quality of the customer service sets the standards of the quality of their product.

2nd - Put all the customer service issues aside... Why can't Aymen Bergi write a email clearing up all issue's and concerns , address the plan of action and send it out. Make a post on their blog... do anything.

(Hopefully he is sitting at home with a loaf in his pants)

Who knows he seems to be off the radar, maybe he is on a cruise with everyone's money!

I hope everyone gets taken care of and compensated for the problems along the way. At the least a speedy refund upon request.

tradermike2008 · 12-13-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

they all do that. Its part of networking.

they scratch each other's backs-

and thats fine, but don't give your customers crappy support and do shady tactics that raise questions about your character.

One thing that is weird in this video to the affiliates Fallon says Aymen is in vancouver with the launch planner. Unless I misunderstood or missed something I thought Aymen never went to Vegas when they did this meeting, but was just shown to the people on TV. Pretty weird that he wouldn't come in person when he was in Vancouver so soon.

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 12:30 PM

Hey look -

I just received the coveted "Here is your refund" email from Aymen...

Oh, wait - It's just the same old crap...

Only 2 more days till we welcome
our new army of arbitrage marketers!

So get ready for Boot Camp!

We have some great stuff to get you
off to a quick start, so it's time
to get excited!

Stay tuned for more info about where
when and how to get access . . .

It's all coming soon!

Aymen & The Arbitragers (soon to be YOU!)

I sure hope Aymen & The Arbitragers do right by everyone or we will need a whole new group of "Guru's" to look up to.

Still waiting...

Jeff

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 12:54 PM

They actually Launched on Thursday at noon my time...

So at the, least they had 28 hours to respond even if Aymen let the factory workers leave an hour early on Friday.

I know, Maybe their Internet access is down?

I am sure that is it.

Nothing to worry about.

I need a drink!

Take care

Jeff

docmatt · 12-13-2008, 12:56 PM

Quote: (Hopefully he is sitting at home with a loaf in his pants)

Yeah - A loaf of everyone's money-

Seriously, I'm not a genius (well maybe), prophet, prognositcator, soothsayer, or astrologer- But don't be surprised when just a short time from now we have Pipeline Profits Part Two on our hands-

Just look at all of the parallels between Arbitrage Conspiracy and Pipeline Profits-

1) High ticket item- Around $2000

2) Product put out by virtual unknowns, but comes with apparent credibility based on

a) Purported HUGE numbers (I do think Pipeline's and AC's numbers are likely truthful/accurate)

b) PLUS the MAJOR ENDORSEMENT of one of, if not the most successfully credible Internet Marketers in the world (they are the same people by the way, or at least one of the team of two)

3) A completely untruthful misrepresentation of the plausibility of success that absolute newbies could achieve with the "system," the complexity of the business process in general, or a realistic estimation of the types of people that could truly make this supposed "system" work for them-

4) Throwing in at the last minute or after the fact, the need to invest further money to get the "system" working - (Note on this- We are all intelligent business people here, and we expect that there likely will be extra added costs - But, in the case of Pipeline Profits, they erroneously, or dishonestly? informed the newbie that they would be able to utilize brokers that would give them extra special pricing for leads- Something like .05 cents a piece- After all was said and done, this was UNTRUE, in actuality the brokers could/would not get the leads for ANYWHERE NEAR that price - So anybody trying to budget for this was left out in the cold-)

5) Changing the refund guarantee mid-launch - (Again with Pipeline, they changed their 1 year guarantee to 30 days after just the first hour of the launch)

6) Had a member center/blog etc., where complaints started coming in from day 1, and the admin conveniently deleted all "negative/complaining" posts, while leaving in there the generic, naive newbie "I can't wait , the system is great" etc. useless posts

7) And this is my prophecy - This launch will leave town as quickly as it arrived, and the poor, unfortunate "victims" will never be heard from again, and will just completely blame themselves, chalking up the whole experience to their own stupidity, naivete, etc. - Of course, the experience will likely diminsh if not destroy some people's self-esteem, cause some marital problems when the unknowing spouse finds out about the $2,000 dump around Christmas during the current '08 Depression, and will likely tarnish the IM and internet buying industry in general, furthering people's skepticism and discouragement-

Then again, maybe I'm just hallucinating and this is all a big misunderstanding?

Docmatt

nobodyspecial · 12-13-2008, 01:23 PM

DocMatt has a good rundown comparing PipelineProfits with Arb Conspir.

The fact is Pipeline Profits was one big flop. There was NO content in the member's area reflecting what was promised in the promotions/marketing. The content that was there was obviously thrown together by people who didn't know fact one about co-reg.

I purchased under the one year and was told after that it was 30 days by their "support". After 28 days I logged into the member area and saw nothing but complaints and again, lack of material. Got a refund and avoided all of Buck and Brock's stuff like the plague.

Now I hope AC doesn't go this way but so far what has transpired isn't looking too pretty. Changing the guarantee mid-promotion is not cool. My guess is they did this to cover their ass on being able to give out affiliate commissions (I mean what happens if they give out the commissions after 30 days then get a slew of refund requests at 12 weeks? Negative cash flow ... oh wait a minute ... they are making 50-100k a day, so this shouldn't be a problem <smile>!)

All in all, keep the credit card close to the chest and follow your instincts. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

tradermike2008 · 12-13-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by docmatt

Quote: (Hopefully he is sitting at home with a loaf in his pants)

Yeah - A loaf of everyone's money-

Seriously, I'm not a genius (well maybe), prophet, prognositcator, soothsayer, or astrologer- But don't be surprised when just a short time from now we have Pipeline Profits Part Two on our hands-

Docmatt

One thing about it don't know who was behind the pipeline launch - but I found a copy of the video of the first pipeline video and FAllon introduces them and makes it sounds like it is a stompernet endorsed event/product seminar in the first video. Interestingly the timing appears to be the first half of november, which is around the same time of the Arbitrage seminar. Wonder if they were both in vegas. Its just a coincide but it's like exactly two or three years later. -lol.

nobodyspecial · 12-13-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by amirla84

"if you were in Vegas at the event, talk about that, and how amazingly mind blowing and game changing it was for you - an extra 5% commission"

I thought all these gurus (tellman knudson, Mike Filsaime, Michael Cheney, Shawn casey, Eben Pagan,…) make millions of dollars a yr. so why would they put their reputation on the line and do a hyped up testimonial to get an extra 5% in commission? that's an extra $100. hmmmmmmm interesting

It is against the law not to disclose testimonials are compensated. If this promotion ever crossed the FTC's path, heads would roll.

tradermike2008 · 12-13-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

It is against the law not to disclose testimonials are compensated. If this promotion ever crossed the FTC's path, heads would roll.

I don't know if this compares with internet marketing but in my line of work it is the person who gives the testimonial that is liable. If you buy a stock for instance off of a newsletter or from a publication - whatever - that was paid to promote it and they don't disclose it if you lose money then it is the person who recommended it WITHOUT disclosing it that is liable. In fact they are liable for anything someone would lose not to mention sanctions. I don't know if this situation would be similar, but it makes it hard to believe that the gurus would take commissions for their testimonials, because it would be such an incredibly stupid thing to do. It goes beyond common sense. We do have someone extremely credible who said that, but I'm not ready to to believe it until there is more evidence about it. To me it just looks like a bunch of incomptence so far and ridiculous hype which makes the incompetence no surprise. I mean if some guy makes these claims and won't even give his last name or show his picture anywhere it ain't a shocker. The look of the sales page and website looked to me like something someone would just throw up on clickbank. The difference is the big friends that had the affiliate networks to promote it.

One thing about it though it is obvious too that some big guys were turned off by something and walked away from it - some of them actually going against it before the launch. So there is more behind the scenes then we probably know about. People saying it is pipeline profits 2. Maybe that comparison is what they didn't like.

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 03:43 PM

I copied my post from their blog from my machine showing my post is still awaiting moderation after 38 hours while all the praising comments slide right by?

Here it is - My comment is # 31 below:

31
Jeff Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I joined today and have started to read all the reviews online stating “THIS IS NOT FOR NEWBIES” and that “There is also a handful of software and memberships that you will need to buy to implement all the methods”. I spent every bit of money I had for this opportunity and now I am finding out that I have to put out even more money? I am definately a “Newbie” and don’t have any more additional disposible income. None of this was disclosed in the sales copy and I am very concerned. Do we have to wait for 12 weeks to get a refund or once we are shown the program and find out that we are required to shell out even more money can we get a refund at that point?
Please Help - I am very concerned.

Thanks

Jeff

Steven Carl Kelly · 12-13-2008, 04:21 PM

Looks like those who smelled a rat and stayed far away from this launch made a good decision.

SimonHarrison · 12-13-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by faxinator

Looks like those who smelled a rat and stayed far away from this launch made a good decision.

The reality is that the product itself may well be ok, it's the snot they have dropped already that will leave a bad taste in the mouths of everbody whenever this guys' name is mentioned in the future.

Bottom line, it seems to be a hold you by the hand drip feed over priced Yahoo PPC - Landing Page to CPA guide.

Truth is there will be NOTHING revolutionary about this program, nothing, because any real underground guru will tell you that if you're playing by the white hat game the reality is there are no top secret tricks, you can apply experience to a standard set of techniques but past that you have nothing, nada, zilch , zip.

It's all about a process of elimination, hard work, trial and error, improving quality scores to reduce the stupid tax and finding a combination of keywords using a variety of techniques to lower the cpc so you can make a ROI. Whether you do that upfront of via a backend from creating a list via the landing page it's irrelevent, there is no magic in what they are going to be able to tell you. It's just plain old fashioned common sense.

I may get up in the morning and realise that drinking a couple of quadrupple glenfiddich's is not the best prep for discussing IM, but my point is it may well end up being "ok" perhaps even really useful to some folks but do not expect to the equivalent to the holy grail of CPA, because despite they hype, they can't teach you anything that isn't already known by most in the know.

Lance K · 12-13-2008, 05:10 PM

Hopefully that means I'll get a reply soon. I didn't have a guru write in for me. But I wrote a pretty stern but fair message to them earlier today.

At this point, I may just take them up on that instant refund offer. Which is too bad. I was looking forward to learning the system. But I'm not sure I even want to do business with them now.

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Originally Posted by jimrpips

UPDATE:

I finally received a direct answer from support@arbitrageconspiracy.com, but ONLY because one of the gurus I wrote to personally forwarded my complaint.

They apologize for the "minor confusion" concerning the guarantee.

They offered to give me an instant refund if I wanted it.

So, there IS someone alive over there after all.

I suggested they post something on their blog ASAP to account for the deafening silence so far.

Let's see what happens next.

asr_guy · 12-13-2008, 05:55 PM

I just sent my launch contact an email suggesting someone get over here pdq and answer your main concerns.

I can't promise anything but as an affiliate I'd like to see happy customers and untarnished reputations of some gurus that I also believe in, so hopefully thus helps in some way.

Cheers,
Peter

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 06:11 PM

How do I get ahold of a "Guru" to get someone to get some answers for me?

I just fired off my 6th email and still no reply.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer.

Take care

Jeff

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 06:16 PM

Awesome -

I found the magic number I guess?

They responded on the sixth email:

We are working through our support requests and will refund your account as soon as possible. Please bear with us as we are receiving an enormus amount of requests. We will get your refund processed.

Arbitrage Customer Support

Looks like everyone wants their money back? I would assume that is what they meant by "we are receiving an enormus amount of requests"?

Lance - I hope you get your email soon as well.

Now let's see if they really will put through the refund.

Thanks to all

Jeff

Vjack · 12-13-2008, 07:06 PM

No one has seen the course yet, but we can ascertain with 100% certainty - that the marketers at the EVENT lied to everyone - including their own list. All had the same "spin points" about how they experienced *new revelations* and were completely blown away. All conspired and lied for their own financial gain - be it for sales on this product or gaining "juice" with Brad Fallen for future opportunity. Fortunately, there were some honest marketers at the EVENT like Jerry West who blew the whistle. And make note of the marketers with integrity who didn't promote this. Jeremy Palmer and Chris Rempel come to my mind and I'm sure you warriors will think of a few more.

Those that were paid extra for video testimonials are the lowest. But there is a bright side to this - these people have been exposed and we know who they are. In referring to the list supplied by jimrpips, there were few surprises for me. Many do nothing but peddle *IM Make Money products* and you'll find their testimonials on practically everything that comes out of their JV circle.

The product may be good but as SimonHarrison pointed out: "There are no top secret tricks, you can apply." This was an orchestrated marketing con job right from conception - for the sole purpose of turning content into a $2,000 product.

And they got 1300+ people to comment on their blog by promising a chance to win the course. Who won? Not another word about it.

I suggest making a copy of the *Liars List* of those who attended the EVENT and never believing anything they say or buying from them again - and let your friends know about it. In fact, that LIST would make a great viral social media campaign entitled; The Vegas Con Job.

docmatt · 12-13-2008, 07:41 PM

I would also add that Eric Rockefeller displayed some amazing forthrightness and honesty here- Although his email was also promoting his own monthly service, he was transparent when he admitted that he didn't find any special revelations at the seminar, that few if anybody there actually paid $10,000 to attend, and that the main purpose of the event was really a networking fraternity party for the IM gang- Thanks for your honesty Eric-

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by docmatt

that few if anybody there actually paid $10,000 to attend

This is also on the sales page - no revelation there.

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

James,

I understand, but remember you are one of the faces of the program. You were pushing it here.

Its there fault, but you were involved, so guilt by association

I understand that they have been contacting people and that thy made it clear on purchase that the course starts on Monday. Why the big upset?

I know once the course starts there will be some positive surprises

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SEORundown

maybe he is on a cruise with everyone's money!

I hope everyone gets taken care of and compensated for the problems along the way. At the least a speedy refund upon request.

He is not on a cruise and he has offered a refund to several people who are jumping up and down.

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 08:24 PM

James -

As a newbie and also as someone that will be looking to others for advise when it comes to new products, I would have to say your constant defense of these obvious crooks is ruining your credibilty.

Every time I forget that there is someone here that is actually making excuses for the Aymen, Brad and the rest of the Vegas Con Artists, you come back with another post.

I am sure that Aymen would cut you some slack if you did not come to his defense here, he sure doesn't care to defend himself.

I hold no grudge against you - I just feel you are looking really bad defending people who don't deserve to be called Internet marketers or even Businesspeople for that matter.

Stay well

Jeff

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by faxinator

Looks like those who smelled a rat and stayed far away from this launch made a good decision.

Only time will tell - the course has not started yet

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 08:27 PM

James -

Would you be "jumping up and down" if you gave me $1,997 and did not hear from me again even with repeat attempts to contact me and I deleted your posts on my blog?

If not, send me the money.

Thanks

Jeff

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vjack

And they got 1300+ people to comment on their blog by promising a chance to win the course. Who won? Not another word about it.

Check the blog it has details about this:

http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/blog/

They are announcing it on Tuesday.

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Olah

James -

Would you be "jumping up and down" if you gave me $1,997 and did not hear from me again even with repeat attempts to contact me and I deleted your posts on my blog?

If not, send me the money.

Thanks

Jeff

I thought you said he refunded you?

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 08:33 PM

Nope -

I said they sent me an email saying that they have many other request to look at and they would get to my refund asap.

Here is a snippet of what they said:

working through our support requests and will refund your account as soon as possible.

We'll see...

Thanks

Jeff

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Olah

James -

As a newbie and also as someone that will be looking to others for advise when it comes to new products, I would have to say your constant defense of these obvious crooks is ruining your credibilty.

Every time I forget that there is someone here that is actually making excuses for the Aymen, Brad and the rest of the Vegas Con Artists, you come back with another post.

I am sure that Aymen would cut you some slack if you did not come to his defense here, he sure doesn't care to defend himself.

I hold no grudge against you - I just feel you are looking really bad defending people who don't deserve to be called Internet marketers or even Businesspeople for that matter.

Stay well

Jeff

Jeff you are probably right. I have not been required to come here and offer an alternative opinion. I am not defending the launch, Brad or any gurus or the way things have gone. I am providing a counterbalance for some pretty interesting discussion relating to the actual course.

Many of the comments and just opinions and speculations. They may have been slow and they have done things that could have been done much better. I'm not defending that at all.

If people have not seen the course how can they say it is no good? Why can't I propose that.

Promoting the course not the launch tactics or BF etc... I just think the material will be good.

I care about trying to help people who have bought this program and I feel obliged to help people not panic because they see threads that are a little hot. Some of the reasons are valid and that is fair enough.

These guys are releasing information that can teach people . Some people may speculate that the information is not revolutionary but for many people they will not know a fraction of this.

Upon receipt people got a message (or two?) that the course starts Monday. They got an invoice showing the billing arrangement.

There are no other monthly fees.

The course is not delayed. This is a big course with modules, teleseminars and access to a new network.

All support requests will be answered by tomorrow night according to Aymen. They are working hard to get through them. (The team have been putting the finishing touches top the CPA network.)

There is an unconditional guarantee for 30 days so if anyone is not happy they can ask for a refund straight away.

Content will be available on Monday. It will be fresh and with new content and a live call every week and webinars.

They have updated the blog and the free course will be announced on Tuesday.

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance K

Hopefully that means I'll get a reply soon. I didn't have a guru write in for me. But I wrote a pretty stern but fair message to them earlier today.

At this point, I may just take them up on that instant refund offer. Which is too bad. I was looking forward to learning the system. But I'm not sure I even want to do business with them now.

Lance you will get a reply.

amirla84 · 12-13-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

He is not on a cruise and he has offered a refund to several people who are jumping up and down.

so how much is the monthly fee?

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 08:55 PM

James, you said:

"There are no other monthly fees."

Are you ready to put your reputation back on the line when there terms of service say:

SUBSCRIPTION TERMS
Use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite requires the payment of a monthly subscription service. Each user agrees to pay to Iron Empire Holding, LLC a monthly subscription fee, in advance, via Pay Pal, credit card or other method from time to time established by Iron Empire Holding, LLC , for each month’s use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. Each user authorizes Iron Empire Holding, LLC to automatically debit the payment source or mechanism associated with his or her registered account for each monthly subscription fee. Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason. Automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription in accordance with these uerms and conditions. For termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. To cancel your subscription please send your request to support{at}arbitrageconspiracy {dot} com.
Iron Empire Holding, LLC may from time to time establish special promotional thirty day “trial offers”, in its discretion, on such terms and conditions as may be posted on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. Iron Empire Holding, LLC may provide access to or use of thirty day promotional or trial offers using promotion codes, coupons , credits or other mechanisms, in its sole discretion. Promotional or trial offers may be modified or terminated at any time, in Iron Empire Holding, LLC’s discretion, and will in any case be limited to one offer per user. At the end of any thirty day promotional or trial offer, the user’s credit card or Pay Pal account will automatically be debited for each subsequent monthly subscription period, and such automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription during the thirty day trial period, in accordance with the terms and conditions for termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite.
Promotional or trial subscriptions provide the user to access to limited portions of the Arbitrage Conspiracy Website. The entire Arbitrage Conspiracy Website will be made available only to users paying the complete monthly subscription fee for a given month.

From time to time, Iron Empire Holding, LLC may provide its members with access to offers or promotions made available by or from third parties. If a Iron Empire Holding, LLC member provides an e mail address or other information to such a third party, Iron Empire Holding, LLC will not be responsible for the use of the information so provided.

Thanks

Jeff

internetmarketer99 · 12-13-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

...and I feel obliged to help people not panic because they see threads that are a little hot.

"A little hot"...? Like over 15,000 views and counting?

As someone has already said, if I were doing $100k/day, my customers would have the best support on the planet.

But that point is moot.

It's very clear to anyone in the biz that this "guy making $50k-$100k per DAY!" is absurdly - and intentionally - misleading.

I am a Google Certified Adwords Professional. I manage over $100k/month in SEM spending, for my own profits, and many contract clients. 25-33% is CPA.

The cost to make $100k on any consistent basis is at least $100k - if you're VERY good AND reasonably lucky.

As has also been mentioned, there are no "secrets", "glitches", "mysterious new methods that only I and a few close-mouthed friends know". And CERTAINLY no newly-discovered 'magic bullet' that someone is going to sell as a course.

Again, what is blatantly clear to any seasoned online marketer is:

* The course is intentionally positioned to appeal to newbies.

* CPA, particularly at the levels touted, is NOT for newbies.

* That Jerry West, Dan Thies, Andy Jenkins, and other respected marketers went as far as to both distance themselves and denounce the hype and promise indicates it is
WAY over the line.

* That the raft of video testimonials is due AT LEAST in large part due to a compensation plan INTENDED to generate glowing testimonials that are at best questionable.

* That it is EXTREMELY unlikely any of these 'gurus' had their minds so blown and their games so changed that they are jumping on this new-found knowledge themselves.

* That this launch has back-fired much more than anticipated.

* That as ugly and vocal as this has become, defending these issues would be a losing proposition.

What is becoming clear even to those not-so-seasoned online marketers is:

* Most of these 'gurus' are of the "say anything" school of affiliate sales.

* That many of these 'gurus' that were thought to be of higher integrity actually aren't.

The unfortunate fact is, this is how the world of big bucks Internet marketing has devolved.

Mark

tradermike2008 · 12-13-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

"A little hot"...? Like over 15,000 views and counting?

* That many of these 'gurus' that were thought to be of higher integrity actually aren't.

Mark

The whole thing made me mad from the beginning. Before the launch just seeing the video testimonials and the hype made me mad. You just knew it was going to be bad and now look what happened. I haven't been reading or familiar with the IM gurus until early this year and really got involved in reading some of there things. Bought some courses. Some I felt money well spent others not so much, but that is fine. OVerall I have learned a LOT from several of the gurus stuff. There are some that I like that I am glad were not at this event. But this was a real eye opener to me to see this happen and the people be apart of something that was so hyped up and went south like this. I wonder if any of them will apologize or anything. Probably not. They probably don't even care. If they did they would be addressing all of the questions that people have been asking here. I know for now on it will be buyer beware for me, and when I see some of them heavily involved in something I will run for the hills.

James Schramko · 12-13-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Olah

James, you said:

"There are no other monthly fees."

Are you ready to put your reputation back on the line when there terms of service say:

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Use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite requires the payment of a monthly subscription service. Each user agrees to pay to Iron Empire Holding, LLC a monthly subscription fee, in advance, via Pay Pal, credit card or other method from time to time established by Iron Empire Holding, LLC , for each month’s use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. Each user authorizes Iron Empire Holding, LLC to automatically debit the payment source or mechanism associated with his or her registered account for each monthly subscription fee. Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason. Automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription in accordance with these uerms and conditions. For termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. To cancel your subscription please send your request to support{at}arbitrageconspiracy {dot} com.
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Thanks

Jeff

Aymen tells me there is no monthly billing at all.

(I am not talking about the three part payment option)

Steven Carl Kelly · 12-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Olah

Please bear with us as we are receiving an enormus amount of requests.

Hey, great job on the spelling, Arbitrage Support. Oh, and the "enormus (sic) amount" (I think they meant "number") of refund requests has got to be encouraging to potential buyers.

Steven Carl Kelly · 12-13-2008, 09:55 PM

I wonder why it should require "jumping up and down" in order to get a refund?

Jeff Olah · 12-13-2008, 10:12 PM

"Aymen tells me there is no monthly billing at all."

Why would Aymen start telling the truth now?

Thanks

Jeff

Lance K · 12-13-2008, 10:23 PM

I'm sure I will eventually. Thanks James. You're kinda getting a bum wrap here for merely trying to remain level headed. I for one appreciate your understanding of our concerns AND your faith in the people behind the product.

Hopefully I'll be able to communicate with someone and get things ironed out soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Schramko

Lance you will get a reply.

SEORundown · 12-13-2008, 10:30 PM

Putting aside the question of a monthly fee, 3rd party trials offers being thrown at you like crazy(with auto bill) and the lack of professionalism... I think that it's obvious that this program is designed for there benefit. They will pocket the cash on this one.

For starter's - They recruit newbies and tell them they could potentially make 50-100k a day, puts a flag up for me. They offer a 12 week coarse and say you will be rolling in money at the end. Well they don't disclose the fact that they will have to fund 2 CPA's along the way. Pretty much you will have to dump a great deal of money into this to even come out even. This is assuming they put you in with some good merchant's. Well and if you make it the whole 12 weeks and don't bury yourself then the part that will really hurt is - They do not disclose how you are paid for these campaigns. Most campaigns you will not be paid by the merchant for several weeks or even months. Also they will scrub your contacts, so you will loose around 1/3 of your revenue. There can be great results that come from CPA but there can also be a really dark side that will bury you. This is why I am against this. They don't care about anyone, only their pockets. This launch is down a messy road and anyone still on the band wagon will will loose their credibility. I personally would rather spend for a CPA coach like Jerry West or Dan Theis and get some actual pointer's.

johnng · 12-13-2008, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Olah

I believe so....

Here is what Eric Holmlund had to say. He was in Vegas for the "Event" and here is a snippet of what he had to say:

I have a problem with the way they are positioning the course for newbies. For example, these are the top 3 bullet points on their current landing page:

“How he got started with a mere $50!”
“How to get completely set up and open for business in 24 hours!”
“How To Make Massive profits with No Website, No Product and No List”

I understand that a newbie can follow this system, but I do not believe those points are representative of the course as a whole. Although the business is fairly simplistic in nature (buy clicks to earn profits), I think their systems are more complex than they may realize.

Yes, Aymen got started with $50, but he also spent millions of dollars testing and developing his methods. There are also a handful of software and memberships that you will need to buy to implement all the methods.

In their terms of service on AC it also talks about a "Membership fee" which was nowhere to be found in the sales copy - Pretty deceptive!

I hope this helps?

Take care

Jeff

I have been following this thread on and off. One thing that I found interesting is how useful this community is.
I bought another course right at the start of my venture into IM well over a year ago. The course was over $1k, might even $2k, I forgot the detail. It was by a chap named Greg Cesars. It was a very good course and I learned a great deal from it and will not say a bad word about it. Greg Cesars claimed to the Tsar of Google Adwords too! My point is, I used what I learned to setup some campaigns to sell Motor Accessories. I used up all my daily limits (only about $100, I am poor) for 3 days. At least I was getting the Clicks, quite a few since I was paying mostly $0.12-$0.15. I did not sell a thing! $0.12 would have meant a good landing page as well, else would have pay a lot more oer click. My point: PPC is inherently very risky especially for Newbies!

veotis · 12-13-2008, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lance K

I'm sure I will eventually. Thanks James. You're kinda getting a bum wrap here for merely trying to remain level headed. I for one appreciate your understanding of our concerns AND your faith in the people behind the product.

Hopefully I'll be able to communicate with someone and get things ironed out soon.

I agree, Lance. James has remained pretty level headed amidst some very valid concerns by some of the posters here. I purchased the product, and I'm going to follow the advice James has given here and elsewhere. I'm going to give it my undevided attention and if it's not for me, I'll use the money back guarantee. I agree that there are some red flags with the launch, but I trust James and I'll give the product a fair shake.

IMChick · 12-14-2008, 12:30 AM

Absolutely unbelievable.

So, who will admit to being the first one to report these guys to the FTC?

Also, feel free to give Brad Fallon a jingle on his personal cell phone number that he posted in these forums in response to HIS company's latest launch debacle. I'm not very interested in what he has to say about this launch, his endorsement and the compensated-but-not-disclosed endorsements of his heavy-hitter greedy guru buddies, but putting them all on the hot seat and requesting an answer to a simple question has to be worth the wait.

And, oh, to those former 'gurus' that everyone looked to for cutting edge IM info, you guys blew it, it's over. Never again. You have hurt your industry beyond repair. (Get ready for your inbox to be spammed with the "I didn't endorse AC emails on Monday).

If you've publicly defended this launch or the AC team in the forum when you knew or should have know that the facts were not in your favor, ummm, well, your credibillty is gone and your reputation is shattered and you have no-one to blame but yourself.

Keep that list of dishonest greedy-guru paid endorsers handy, and make another list of those who did not recommend the product, and let that guide your future business decisions.

Ebbi · 12-14-2008, 12:47 AM

As some off you might already know I made a thread called the truth about
Aymen where I did a solid background check on the man. After spending
almost an hour digging up leads I finally found something that would proof
that Aymen was possibly about to bull a huge scam on people and I posted
my results... After only few minutes after the post was released I was
contacted here on the warrior forum by a respected member that asked me
if I wanted to talk to Aymen himself and ask him in person, all about this.

This was a offer I couldn't turn down... So Aymen called me and we had a
long chat about my background results and his product. Now when I got on
the phone I was all pumped up... I was so going to nail him and proof that
my results where 100%.... So after the regular hi how are you, I'm good,
blabla bla, he went straight to the point and explained to me why my results
where not correct.
(At this point I thought to myself... Here it comes, BS excuse)

But like I stated in the other thread I now see my results where not even
close to be correct... I KNOW, some of you are going to say that he just
'BS me all the way to the bank' making me believe that what I had discovered
wasn't true and I totally understand you folks. At this point there is NOTHING
I or others can say that will stop this negative posting and I'm fully aware of
it because of many reasons. But let me say this...

Are you going to tell me that all these "gurus" that gave there testimonials
where paid to talk in front of the cam?... COMMON people you know that's BS.
I know.. some off them have been sending out posts telling people not to buy
this or sending out warnings that this might not be for everyone.

So ask yourself, WHY in the WORLD should you rather trust someone that
begins to say in his testimonial that this is for everyone and it's the best
thing they have seen in a long time, They promote it to there list, and then
suddenly they say you shouldn't buy this!

I have also seen people pasting the terms and refund policy's that AC has
on their site and that's all good... Do one thing for me and yourself, go to
a site owned by one of these "guru's" and look at their terms and refund
policy's... You'll find exactly the same BS on all these sites or at least on
most off them.

If there is one thing that 99% of people agree on it's that Aymen has a
s&#% load of money... The "guru's" have seen it and it's also on the sales
page. Without knowing for sure, I'm pretty sure that your money is going
to be returned to you if you don't believe this is something for you, if not
he won't be able to show is face on all these events the man has been going
to and keeping contact's with honest people.

So in my humble opinion I think you shouldn't be bashing this product if you
haven't even bought it. I KNOW... some of you are going to post
that I'm the biggest scam of them all... I sold my soul to the devil and I
couldn't care less. This thread is starting to remind me of something you
would only find on DP... and that's not a good sign.

So how about we just take it easy until people start posting feedback.
Only in 12 weeks will there be feedbacks that you should consider valid
because the material is being handed out week after week.

This is enough out of me!!

Have a great day!

Ebbi
p.s. I almost forgot, You all know this so this shouldn't come as a surprise.
95% of people fail IM, so you can expect that 95% of people that sign
up for this won't succeed. It's just the TRUTH... It's hard to take in but
it's true. I'm not saying 95% won't like it and find it mind blowing because
even though only 5% will succeed there might only be 10% that ask for
a refund because people don't tent to take action

Jeff Olah · 12-14-2008, 01:11 AM

Ebbi -

Are you saying you support Aymen and AC or do you just want everyone to stop Bi%$hing about feeling ripped off on this thread?

How do you know that the Guru's weren't paid for their testimonials? They all sound very similar - Mabye it's just me?

Also, did you buy the Arbitrage Conspiracy program?

Thanks

Jeff

amirla84 · 12-14-2008, 01:19 AM

guru's were paid extra 5% to do a hyped up testimonial. i guess gurus are not that rich lol

Vjack · 12-14-2008, 01:29 AM

Ebbi - you are missing the point. Many in this thread have stipulated that the course may be good. The issue is; that these marketers at the Vegas Event KNEW what Jerry West and others with integrity KNEW ... that nothing new about CPA marketing was reveled there. They made the choice to give false testimonials and lie about what they had seen for the sole purpose of their own gain. They hyped the "perceived value" so the course would sell like hot-cakes for $2,000. "Get it?"

In doing so, they are preying on unsuspecting and desperate people. And giving them false hope and expectations. "The marketing was a con job!"

12-13-2008, 12:25 PM	#505
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Two things, 1st - I think that the quality of the customer service sets the standards of the quality of their product. 2nd - Put all the customer service issues aside... Why can't Aymen Bergi write a email clearing up all issue's and concerns , address the plan of action and send it out. Make a post on their blog... do anything. (Hopefully he is sitting at home with a loaf in his pants) Who knows he seems to be off the radar, maybe he is on a cruise with everyone's money! I hope everyone gets taken care of and compensated for the problems along the way. At the least a speedy refund upon request.

12-13-2008, 12:30 PM	#507
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Hey look - I just received the coveted "Here is your refund" email from Aymen... Oh, wait - It's just the same old crap... Only 2 more days till we welcome our new army of arbitrage marketers! So get ready for Boot Camp! We have some great stuff to get you off to a quick start, so it's time to get excited! Stay tuned for more info about where when and how to get access . . . It's all coming soon! Aymen & The Arbitragers (soon to be YOU!) I sure hope Aymen & The Arbitragers do right by everyone or we will need a whole new group of "Guru's" to look up to. Still waiting... Jeff

12-13-2008, 12:54 PM	#508
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA They actually Launched on Thursday at noon my time... So at the, least they had 28 hours to respond even if Aymen let the factory workers leave an hour early on Friday. I know, Maybe their Internet access is down? I am sure that is it. Nothing to worry about. I need a drink! Take care Jeff

12-13-2008, 12:56 PM	#509
docmatt Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Quote: (Hopefully he is sitting at home with a loaf in his pants) Yeah - A loaf of everyone's money- Seriously, I'm not a genius (well maybe), prophet, prognositcator, soothsayer, or astrologer- But don't be surprised when just a short time from now we have Pipeline Profits Part Two on our hands- Just look at all of the parallels between Arbitrage Conspiracy and Pipeline Profits- 1) High ticket item- Around $2000 2) Product put out by virtual unknowns, but comes with apparent credibility based on a) Purported HUGE numbers (I do think Pipeline's and AC's numbers are likely truthful/accurate) b) PLUS the MAJOR ENDORSEMENT of one of, if not the most successfully credible Internet Marketers in the world (they are the same people by the way, or at least one of the team of two) 3) A completely untruthful misrepresentation of the plausibility of success that absolute newbies could achieve with the "system," the complexity of the business process in general, or a realistic estimation of the types of people that could truly make this supposed "system" work for them- 4) Throwing in at the last minute or after the fact, the need to invest further money to get the "system" working - (Note on this- We are all intelligent business people here, and we expect that there likely will be extra added costs - But, in the case of Pipeline Profits, they erroneously, or dishonestly? informed the newbie that they would be able to utilize brokers that would give them extra special pricing for leads- Something like .05 cents a piece- After all was said and done, this was UNTRUE, in actuality the brokers could/would not get the leads for ANYWHERE NEAR that price - So anybody trying to budget for this was left out in the cold-) 5) Changing the refund guarantee mid-launch - (Again with Pipeline, they changed their 1 year guarantee to 30 days after just the first hour of the launch) 6) Had a member center/blog etc., where complaints started coming in from day 1, and the admin conveniently deleted all "negative/complaining" posts, while leaving in there the generic, naive newbie "I can't wait , the system is great" etc. useless posts 7) And this is my prophecy - This launch will leave town as quickly as it arrived, and the poor, unfortunate "victims" will never be heard from again, and will just completely blame themselves, chalking up the whole experience to their own stupidity, naivete, etc. - Of course, the experience will likely diminsh if not destroy some people's self-esteem, cause some marital problems when the unknowing spouse finds out about the $2,000 dump around Christmas during the current '08 Depression, and will likely tarnish the IM and internet buying industry in general, furthering people's skepticism and discouragement- Then again, maybe I'm just hallucinating and this is all a big misunderstanding? Docmatt

12-13-2008, 01:23 PM	#510
nobodyspecial HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 197 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA DocMatt has a good rundown comparing PipelineProfits with Arb Conspir. The fact is Pipeline Profits was one big flop. There was NO content in the member's area reflecting what was promised in the promotions/marketing. The content that was there was obviously thrown together by people who didn't know fact one about co-reg. I purchased under the one year and was told after that it was 30 days by their "support". After 28 days I logged into the member area and saw nothing but complaints and again, lack of material. Got a refund and avoided all of Buck and Brock's stuff like the plague. Now I hope AC doesn't go this way but so far what has transpired isn't looking too pretty. Changing the guarantee mid-promotion is not cool. My guess is they did this to cover their ass on being able to give out affiliate commissions (I mean what happens if they give out the commissions after 30 days then get a slew of refund requests at 12 weeks? Negative cash flow ... oh wait a minute ... they are making 50-100k a day, so this shouldn't be a problem <smile>!) All in all, keep the credit card close to the chest and follow your instincts. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

12-13-2008, 03:43 PM	#514
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I copied my post from their blog from my machine showing my post is still awaiting moderation after 38 hours while all the praising comments slide right by? Here it is - My comment is # 31 below: 31 Jeff Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. I joined today and have started to read all the reviews online stating “THIS IS NOT FOR NEWBIES” and that “There is also a handful of software and memberships that you will need to buy to implement all the methods”. I spent every bit of money I had for this opportunity and now I am finding out that I have to put out even more money? I am definately a “Newbie” and don’t have any more additional disposible income. None of this was disclosed in the sales copy and I am very concerned. Do we have to wait for 12 weeks to get a refund or once we are shown the program and find out that we are required to shell out even more money can we get a refund at that point? Please Help - I am very concerned. Thanks Jeff

12-13-2008, 04:21 PM	#515
Steven Carl Kelly Trust Christ Alone War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,114 Thanks: 22 Thanked 350 Times in 199 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Looks like those who smelled a rat and stayed far away from this launch made a good decision.
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12-13-2008, 05:55 PM	#518
asr_guy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: , , Canada. Posts: 123 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I just sent my launch contact an email suggesting someone get over here pdq and answer your main concerns. I can't promise anything but as an affiliate I'd like to see happy customers and untarnished reputations of some gurus that I also believe in, so hopefully thus helps in some way. Cheers, Peter
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12-13-2008, 06:11 PM	#519
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA How do I get ahold of a "Guru" to get someone to get some answers for me? I just fired off my 6th email and still no reply. Thanks for any help anyone can offer. Take care Jeff

12-13-2008, 06:16 PM	#520
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Awesome - I found the magic number I guess? They responded on the sixth email: We are working through our support requests and will refund your account as soon as possible. Please bear with us as we are receiving an enormus amount of requests. We will get your refund processed. *Arbitrage Customer Support* Looks like everyone wants their money back? I would assume that is what they meant by "we are receiving an enormus amount of requests"? Lance - I hope you get your email soon as well. Now let's see if they really will put through the refund. Thanks to all Jeff

12-13-2008, 07:06 PM	#521
Vjack Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 13 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA No one has seen the course yet, but we can ascertain with 100% certainty - that the marketers at the EVENT lied to everyone - including their own list. All had the same "spin points" about how they experienced new revelations and were completely blown away. All conspired and lied for their own financial gain - be it for sales on this product or gaining "juice" with Brad Fallen for future opportunity. Fortunately, there were some honest marketers at the EVENT like Jerry West who blew the whistle. And make note of the marketers with integrity who didn't promote this. Jeremy Palmer and Chris Rempel come to my mind and I'm sure you warriors will think of a few more. Those that were paid extra for video testimonials are the lowest. But there is a bright side to this - these people have been exposed and we know who they are. In referring to the list supplied by jimrpips, there were few surprises for me. Many do nothing but peddle IM Make Money products and you'll find their testimonials on practically everything that comes out of their JV circle. The product may be good but as SimonHarrison pointed out: "There are no top secret tricks, you can apply." This was an orchestrated marketing con job right from conception - for the sole purpose of turning content into a $2,000 product. And they got 1300+ people to comment on their blog by promising a chance to win the course. Who won? Not another word about it. I suggest making a copy of the Liars List of those who attended the EVENT and never believing anything they say or buying from them again - and let your friends know about it. In fact, that LIST would make a great viral social media campaign entitled; The Vegas Con Job.

12-13-2008, 07:41 PM	#522
docmatt Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 62 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I would also add that Eric Rockefeller displayed some amazing forthrightness and honesty here- Although his email was also promoting his own monthly service, he was transparent when he admitted that he didn't find any special revelations at the seminar, that few if anybody there actually paid $10,000 to attend, and that the main purpose of the event was really a networking fraternity party for the IM gang- Thanks for your honesty Eric-

12-13-2008, 08:24 PM	#526
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA James - As a newbie and also as someone that will be looking to others for advise when it comes to new products, I would have to say your constant defense of these obvious crooks is ruining your credibilty. Every time I forget that there is someone here that is actually making excuses for the Aymen, Brad and the rest of the Vegas Con Artists, you come back with another post. I am sure that Aymen would cut you some slack if you did not come to his defense here, he sure doesn't care to defend himself. I hold no grudge against you - I just feel you are looking really bad defending people who don't deserve to be called Internet marketers or even Businesspeople for that matter. Stay well Jeff

12-13-2008, 08:27 PM	#528
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA James - Would you be "jumping up and down" if you gave me $1,997 and did not hear from me again even with repeat attempts to contact me and I deleted your posts on my blog? If not, send me the money. Thanks Jeff

12-13-2008, 08:33 PM	#531
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Nope - I said they sent me an email saying that they have many other request to look at and they would get to my refund asap. Here is a snippet of what they said: *working through our support requests and will refund your account as soon as possible.* We'll see... Thanks Jeff
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12-13-2008, 08:55 PM	#535
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA James, you said: "There are no other monthly fees." Are you ready to put your reputation back on the line when there terms of service say: SUBSCRIPTION TERMS Use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite requires the payment of a monthly subscription service. Each user agrees to pay to Iron Empire Holding, LLC a monthly subscription fee, in advance, via Pay Pal, credit card or other method from time to time established by Iron Empire Holding, LLC , for each month’s use of the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. Each user authorizes Iron Empire Holding, LLC to automatically debit the payment source or mechanism associated with his or her registered account for each monthly subscription fee. Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason. Automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription in accordance with these uerms and conditions. For termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. To cancel your subscription please send your request to support{at}arbitrageconspiracy {dot} com. Iron Empire Holding, LLC may from time to time establish special promotional thirty day “trial offers”, in its discretion, on such terms and conditions as may be posted on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. Iron Empire Holding, LLC may provide access to or use of thirty day promotional or trial offers using promotion codes, coupons , credits or other mechanisms, in its sole discretion. Promotional or trial offers may be modified or terminated at any time, in Iron Empire Holding, LLC’s discretion, and will in any case be limited to one offer per user. At the end of any thirty day promotional or trial offer, the user’s credit card or Pay Pal account will automatically be debited for each subsequent monthly subscription period, and such automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription during the thirty day trial period, in accordance with the terms and conditions for termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. Promotional or trial subscriptions provide the user to access to limited portions of the Arbitrage Conspiracy Website. The entire Arbitrage Conspiracy Website will be made available only to users paying the complete monthly subscription fee for a given month. From time to time, Iron Empire Holding, LLC may provide its members with access to offers or promotions made available by or from third parties. If a Iron Empire Holding, LLC member provides an e mail address or other information to such a third party, Iron Empire Holding, LLC will not be responsible for the use of the information so provided. Thanks Jeff

12-13-2008, 09:55 PM	#540
Steven Carl Kelly Trust Christ Alone War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,114 Thanks: 22 Thanked 350 Times in 199 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I wonder why it should require "jumping up and down" in order to get a refund?
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12-13-2008, 10:12 PM	#541
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA "Aymen tells me there is no monthly billing at all." Why would Aymen start telling the truth now? Thanks Jeff

12-13-2008, 10:30 PM	#543
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Putting aside the question of a monthly fee, 3rd party trials offers being thrown at you like crazy(with auto bill) and the lack of professionalism... I think that it's obvious that this program is designed for there benefit. They will pocket the cash on this one. For starter's - They recruit newbies and tell them they could potentially make 50-100k a day, puts a flag up for me. They offer a 12 week coarse and say you will be rolling in money at the end. Well they don't disclose the fact that they will have to fund 2 CPA's along the way. Pretty much you will have to dump a great deal of money into this to even come out even. This is assuming they put you in with some good merchant's. Well and if you make it the whole 12 weeks and don't bury yourself then the part that will really hurt is - They do not disclose how you are paid for these campaigns. Most campaigns you will not be paid by the merchant for several weeks or even months. Also they will scrub your contacts, so you will loose around 1/3 of your revenue. There can be great results that come from CPA but there can also be a really dark side that will bury you. This is why I am against this. They don't care about anyone, only their pockets. This launch is down a messy road and anyone still on the band wagon will will loose their credibility. I personally would rather spend for a CPA coach like Jerry West or Dan Theis and get some actual pointer's.

12-14-2008, 12:30 AM	#546
IMChick Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 544 Thanks: 16 Thanked 61 Times in 44 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Absolutely unbelievable. So, who will admit to being the first one to report these guys to the FTC? Also, feel free to give Brad Fallon a jingle on his personal cell phone number that he posted in these forums in response to HIS company's latest launch debacle. I'm not very interested in what he has to say about this launch, his endorsement and the compensated-but-not-disclosed endorsements of his heavy-hitter greedy guru buddies, but putting them all on the hot seat and requesting an answer to a simple question has to be worth the wait. And, oh, to those former 'gurus' that everyone looked to for cutting edge IM info, you guys blew it, it's over. Never again. You have hurt your industry beyond repair. (Get ready for your inbox to be spammed with the "I didn't endorse AC emails on Monday). If you've publicly defended this launch or the AC team in the forum when you knew or should have know that the facts were not in your favor, ummm, well, your credibillty is gone and your reputation is shattered and you have no-one to blame but yourself. Keep that list of dishonest greedy-guru paid endorsers handy, and make another list of those who did not recommend the product, and let that guide your future business decisions.

12-14-2008, 12:47 AM	#547
Ebbi HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Here! Posts: 413 Thanks: 40 Thanked 192 Times in 18 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA As some off you might already know I made a thread called the truth about Aymen where I did a solid background check on the man. After spending almost an hour digging up leads I finally found something that would proof that Aymen was possibly about to bull a huge scam on people and I posted my results... After only few minutes after the post was released I was contacted here on the warrior forum by a respected member that asked me if I wanted to talk to Aymen himself and ask him in person, all about this. This was a offer I couldn't turn down... So Aymen called me and we had a long chat about my background results and his product. Now when I got on the phone I was all pumped up... I was so going to nail him and proof that my results where 100%.... So after the regular hi how are you, I'm good, blabla bla, he went straight to the point and explained to me why my results where not correct. (At this point I thought to myself... Here it comes, BS excuse) But like I stated in the other thread I now see my results where not even close to be correct... I KNOW, some of you are going to say that he just 'BS me all the way to the bank' making me believe that what I had discovered wasn't true and I totally understand you folks. At this point there is NOTHING I or others can say that will stop this negative posting and I'm fully aware of it because of many reasons. But let me say this... Are you going to tell me that all these "gurus" that gave there testimonials where paid to talk in front of the cam?... COMMON people you know that's BS. I know.. some off them have been sending out posts telling people not to buy this or sending out warnings that this might not be for everyone. So ask yourself, WHY in the WORLD should you rather trust someone that begins to say in his testimonial that this is for everyone and it's the best thing they have seen in a long time, They promote it to there list, and then suddenly they say you shouldn't buy this! I have also seen people pasting the terms and refund policy's that AC has on their site and that's all good... Do one thing for me and yourself, go to a site owned by one of these "guru's" and look at their terms and refund policy's... You'll find exactly the same BS on all these sites or at least on most off them. If there is one thing that 99% of people agree on it's that Aymen has a s&#% load of money... The "guru's" have seen it and it's also on the sales page. Without knowing for sure, I'm pretty sure that your money is going to be returned to you if you don't believe this is something for you, if not he won't be able to show is face on all these events the man has been going to and keeping contact's with honest people. So in my humble opinion I think you shouldn't be bashing this product if you haven't even bought it. I KNOW... some of you are going to post that I'm the biggest scam of them all... I sold my soul to the devil and I couldn't care less. This thread is starting to remind me of something you would only find on DP... and that's not a good sign. So how about we just take it easy until people start posting feedback. Only in 12 weeks will there be feedbacks that you should consider valid because the material is being handed out week after week. This is enough out of me!! Have a great day! Ebbi p.s. I almost forgot, You all know this so this shouldn't come as a surprise. 95% of people fail IM, so you can expect that 95% of people that sign up for this won't succeed. It's just the TRUTH... It's hard to take in but it's true. I'm not saying 95% won't like it and find it mind blowing because even though only 5% will succeed there might only be 10% that ask for a refund because people don't tent to take action
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12-14-2008, 01:11 AM	#548
Jeff Olah Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Ebbi - Are you saying you support Aymen and AC or do you just want everyone to stop Bi%$hing about feeling ripped off on this thread? How do you know that the Guru's weren't paid for their testimonials? They all sound very similar - Mabye it's just me? Also, did you buy the Arbitrage Conspiracy program? Thanks Jeff

12-14-2008, 01:19 AM	#549
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 29 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA guru's were paid extra 5% to do a hyped up testimonial. i guess gurus are not that rich lol

12-14-2008, 01:29 AM	#550
Vjack Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 13 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Ebbi - you are missing the point. Many in this thread have stipulated that the course may be good. The issue is; that these marketers at the Vegas Event KNEW what Jerry West and others with integrity KNEW ... that nothing new about CPA marketing was reveled there. They made the choice to give false testimonials and lie about what they had seen for the sole purpose of their own gain. They hyped the "perceived value" so the course would sell like hot-cakes for $2,000. "Get it?" In doing so, they are preying on unsuspecting and desperate people. And giving them false hope and expectations. "The marketing was a con job!"