The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

ToddieM · 01-15-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mann

How splendidly ironic.

The AC Boys have never once responded to a single email, but they certainly wasted no time shutting down my access to the site. And this on the day of their weekly webinar! Wow, how do they find the time?

I have not received an email confirmation yet (no surprise there), but given that they have shut me out I can only assume this constitutes positive acknowledgment of my refund request. Hopefully I will receive the refund no problem, as with the case of elliec above, and I will post if I do not.

I feel sad and a tad ambivalent about this, as I had had very high hopes for the course, despite all the negative pre-launch anti-hoopla. I'm very disappointed (in myself, if not in the course) because I gave it the ol' college try and couldn't make it work. If it had simply been a matter of sticking to it, I would have continued. But given all the feedback from those who know far more than I about PPC/CPA and the many glaring (and often quite bizarre) shortcomings of the course, I see no other recourse but to bail while I still can.

James Schramko and others have said that the shortcomings of AC can be overcome, and I know James is working closely with his people to do that (and more power to him). But again, this begs the entire question. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

If I can't succeed by following the course to the letter, the problem isn't me – it's the course.

I sincerely hope all those folks who are still "in" Arbitrage Conspiracy get their money's worth. Perhaps they will all become "instant Millionaires" and the semi-mythical "overnight success stories" we all hear so much about. Perhaps there really are amazing secrets in later weeks of the course. But based on what I have seen and experienced so far with AC, and all the people I've talked with and who have been kind enough to respond to my posts, I think this is highly unlikely...

Time to move on. Back to the drawing board. Best of luck to everybody.

Peace out.

I"m sorry to hear that Mann. I had looked forward to sharing experiences with you. I certainly understand why you did what you did.
It almost makes me think they have a reason for being so callous and unapproachable. Obviously, if they shut your site access down right away; they do have people working behind the scenes on the day-to-day stuff.
Maybe they're trying to weed people out because more people ended up signing on than they ever anticipated?
Maybe so, but you think that onslaught of "get in before the doors close" would have slowed as their members kept piling on.
I have unanswered questions in their queue as well (thank God I have James), so that pain is not acutely felt by me. But, to their defense, my questions were ones that probably will get answered in future lessons. They did stress that they are only trying to deal with the questions as they pertain to the course material thus far.

Louis Raven · 01-15-2009, 05:27 PM

Just wanted to say how great this thread has become. You can learn a lot including business management, ppc, product launching etc etc.

Good luck to those that purchased AC. The "too good to be true" concept got to me first so I didn't purchase

Louis

Noah Fleming · 01-15-2009, 06:07 PM

I've been developing a relationship with a new Affiliate Manager at one of the larger networks over the past two weeks, we've been talking quite often and I've surprisingly been getting some decent info out of him.

We were discussing this thread and we got on the topic of this thread and he knew about AC and Aymen, and he started telling me that "iframing/direct linking" are a sure fire way to fail at making anything happen.

He told me that anyone doing serious numbers is not doing any of that and it nearly all comes down to having unique pages made for the offers.

Now I'd imagine the bigger buys are cloaking traffic and for all I know the AM could just be spewing off stuff he's read too, but just thought I'd share.

The 13th Warrior · 01-15-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis Raven

Good luck to those that purchased AC. The "too good to be true" concept got to me first so I didn't purchase

Which leads to my problem with copywriting and its ethical, reasonable boundaries.

When they put in their "copy", " $50,000 to $100,000 {A DAY} was this:

1) Their personal experience and achievement...

2) Their personal best ONCE, a FEW times or average.....

3) Trial students they taught achieved this....

4) Trial students achieved this ONCE as a personal best, a FEW times, or trial students average...

So WHO are they talking about that achieved this, from teacher to student?

They alluded that THIS course has done it AND, CAN do it for purchaser.

Like people using in their copy that a penny, doubled everyday, at a certain point, will add up to a million dollars, alluding their course will get you on the wave of this principle, and yes, mathematically its true, if you are measuring SOLEY on projection, 1st, how many people, including expounder of this has done it literally, and, 2nd, how many mathmaticians, scientist and engineers can attest that something, worked out a thousand times perfectly and mathematically on paper and projections, but FAILED and does not work in the real world when applied.

Or like when they say the average worker in U.S. earns a Million dollars in their lifetime....so, what, I should live in a forrest and pay no bills and wait till I saved all my money in 25-30 yrs, retire a millionaire?

These pseudo-math projections are used in copy sounds good and is nice to look at but used and applied impractically in day in, day out , realities of the real world. Not saying there are no solutions, but I notice the people who throw these out there usually have no practical , application solution ...like Suzan Orman, yikes, I read enough about financial independence to know she is a joke. Jesus Christ, her advice is FAR from financial independence, sorry, Suze, you are not even gum on RichDads dirty soles and even HE has his limits on practical advice, though its much better than the average "mainstream" financial advice...

Reminds me of the kind of copy when guys stand in front of Rolls Royce and Porches, stand in front of a 3 story Mansion, or Olympic size pool,.....radar says "stay clear---slime factor in progress.........."

I was talking to a GrandMaster one time, and he told me a lot of these martial arts schools are run by people who "bought" their black belt so they could make money, borrow something from this and that, not truely knowing what the techinque is or what it means and why...just to make their school more attractive.....he said these guys are gonna get people seriously hurt in the street....like some of these financial freedom teachers are gonna seriously hurt someones pocketbook.

The 13 th Warrior

digabot · 01-15-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah Fleming

He told me that anyone doing serious numbers is not doing any of that and it nearly all comes down to having unique pages made for the offers.

It's pretty much been like that for some time. In fact, you will need multiple domains, multiple sites, multiple PPC accounts and multiple landing pages for a single campaign if you want to get big with Google traffic and CPA.

However, people do iFrame but you only want to be doing it for 48 hours or less to test fast.

Sure you hear of campaigns that "have been running for months with iframes" but that is way more the exception.

High QS sites are where it's at now. That means, yes, if you want to use Google's traffic, you will have to eventually make full blown 30-50 page sites.

Test fast, if you get something with potential, build a site.

And then endlessly split test everything to get the most out of it.

Too many people think there's easy bucks in CPA. There's bucks to be sure but it is NOT an easy way to make money when you're starting out. That's why not quitting is stressed so much. Aymen is talking about $500 to get started....more like 10x that. You will lose a few grand finding winners.

kenwarrior · 01-16-2009, 12:18 AM

There's easier ways of getting traffic, I just bought a special 29 page report for $7 that is full of great ideas to generate free traffic, lets see 2000/7= approx 285, I think I'd rather burn through my AC $2000 fee one $7 report at a time

James Schramko · 01-16-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Noah Fleming

I've been developing a relationship with a new Affiliate Manager at one of the larger networks over the past two weeks, we've been talking quite often and I've surprisingly been getting some decent info out of him.

We were discussing this thread and we got on the topic of this thread and he knew about AC and Aymen, and he started telling me that "iframing/direct linking" are a sure fire way to fail at making anything happen.

He told me that anyone doing serious numbers is not doing any of that and it nearly all comes down to having unique pages made for the offers.

Now I'd imagine the bigger buys are cloaking traffic and for all I know the AM could just be spewing off stuff he's read too, but just thought I'd share.

Good observations,

The bigger traffic deals bring special deals.

Big affiliates get given a site to work by themselves. This eliminates all the problems we are hearing about.

You only get big on traffic after you master the process of picking offers, writing ads, tracking and testing.

As with most things it gets easier the more you do it.

Also it gets easier when you break through the crowd and start enjoying the benefits associated with performance and results.

In other words, after the crawling over broken glass phase it gets a whole lot easier. Just like steering a car on the freeway versus the car park....less effort big results.

James Schramko · 01-16-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

There's easier ways of getting traffic, I just bought a special 29 page report for $7 that is full of great ideas to generate free traffic, lets see 2000/7= approx 285, I think I'd rather burn through my AC $2000 fee one $7 report at a time

is that an affiliate link in your signature?

kenwarrior · 01-16-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

is that an affiliate link in your signature?

is that illegal!

SaSeoPete · 01-16-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

is that illegal!

Yes it is.

Read the forum rules.

Srikanth D · 01-16-2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

just bought the ebook from honestbizpro, very good value for $10, no fluff or filler

very true. I got the E-book too. honestbizpro you rock!

templar · 01-16-2009, 06:29 AM

About 20% of the folks I am studying with are doing well with arbitrage conspiracy, and the rest are catching up on the stuff they need to know.

It's not mind blowing profits just yet, but all of us are waiting for week 3 training, since that is one of the keys to massive success with ppc.

James Schramko · 01-16-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by templar

About 20% of the folks I am studying with are doing well with arbitrage conspiracy, and the rest are catching up on the stuff they need to know.

It's not mind blowing profits just yet, but all of us are waiting for week 3 training, since that is one of the keys to massive success with ppc.

Good feedback,

We have a few people getting some real learning miles under the belt and a clearer view of how this works.

I suspect the next few weeks will be of great value to the majority of students.

kenwarrior · 01-16-2009, 09:18 AM

Looks like I should have bought your double digit ctr product for $39.95 rather than spend $2K on AC!

Raemi13 · 01-16-2009, 09:27 AM

I personally can't wait to get to the content of building our own sites to promote our campaigns. Since obviously the direct linking/iframing is not ideal by any means - I want to really get into the meat of the stuff. I've built a few sites through GoDaddy's web site builder and Blue Voda, etc., I just don't know what the sites are supposed to look like, or how it all works with someone else's product.

I've got 9 campaigns up and running so far and they are doing "o.k." Some days I see a small profit, some days a see a small loss, and my budgets are set pretty low while I'm learning all of this.

I have done PPC for over a year now for my MLM biz and my MLM training biz and have done well with it, so I know the basics already.

I hope there is some good content on today's webinar as well.

I for one am sticking this out. I'm still as excited today about this as I was the day I signed up.

My ultimate goal is $1,000 per day and then I can quit this JOB!!

Rae

honestbizpro · 01-16-2009, 09:49 AM

This is one of the most viewed threads here at the Forum.....and for good reason. It is also highly educational for me. I am learning how people like to be taught, how fast people can learn, how to keep people from dropping out, how great it is to let customers intereact, and the different speeds and methods that people absorb content.

Without a doubt the intricacies of launching a major product or service.

This is like watching Internet Marketing Cable Channel!

digabot · 01-16-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Raemi13

I've built a few sites through GoDaddy's web site builder and Blue Voda, etc., I just don't know what the sites are supposed to look like, or how it all works with someone else's product.

Just find an offer, enter the main key phrases into Google, look at the ads. You'll see tons of affiliate sites.

Among them:

-Review pages
-"How I Did It" Blog style landing pages (like this: http://www.marysweightlossblog.com/i-lost-37-lbs/) Complete with fake comments. These are super popular right now.
-Bridge Pages that look very similar to offer pages - some think these are dead but they work if you have a solid site around them.
-Bridge/Squeeze

Raemi13 · 01-16-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by digabot

Just find an offer, enter the main key phrases into Google, look at the ads. You'll see tons of affiliate sites.

Among them:

-Review pages
-"How I Did It" Blog style landing pages (like this:...Complete with fake comments. These are super popular right now.
-Bridge Pages that look very similar to offer pages - some think these are dead but they work if you have a solid site around them.
-Bridge/Squeeze

This is great. Thanks!

Now - would you do sites like this for the simple e-mail/zip submits at all, or just the "bigger" campaigns?

digabot · 01-16-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Raemi13

Now - would you do sites like this for the simple e-mail/zip submits at all, or just the "bigger" campaigns?

I don't promote Email/Zip. Too many ways to get screwed/shut down since you're sending people into path marketing. The axe is going to fall on those offers in the near future if you ask me.

I know people who sent over $20k to a zip and then when it was time to get paid, the advertiser said they weren't going to because the traffic didn't convert for them - after letting that traffic run for a full 30 freaking days. Network did absolutely nothing despite the obvious douchebaggery.

beksworld · 01-16-2009, 11:22 AM

I KNOW YOU ALL CAN SEE YANIK'S "UNDERGROUND EVENT" LINK when Logging into this forum. But BOY was I floored when I realized our MR. X might be our man Aymen himself??

I sure hope he teaches us the facebook techniques too....in Arbitrage. I still feel good about this, and am hopeful the GOLD is in the mountain, not at the surface.

Here's the excerpt from

An ALL-NEW Group of 'Underground' Internet Insiders (Quietly Banking
Over $200 MILLION Per Year)

This year, we’ve "Mr. X" is a huge player on the social media scene and the CPA networks. We’re talking like $100,000.00 a day huge. Mr. X. plays in a very large sandbox... and he’s gotten the blueprint for success so well documented... it’s pretty much paint-by-number. Well, it’s actually is "paint by the numbers."
Due to the classified nature of Mr. X, here’s a very short list of what he’s bringing. You’ll have to be in your seat at Underground® 5 to get the full story. Sorry.

By claiming your seat, you’ll get your chance to learn things like:

How to "run with the big boys" and not get killed. Mr. X. knows what he’s doing in what is one of the most cut-throat worlds out there: CPA (cost per action) networks. In that world, it’s all about the numbers. And if you don’t know how to create the big numbers that get attention... it’s pretty much game over. You don’t get another chance.<LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">Cutting edge tech tools that truly take the guessing out of the CPA game. If you think the world of CPA is confusing and intimidating... it’s probably because you have no idea what kinds of tools these guys have guiding their decisions. Amazing stuff. <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">A step-by-step blueprint to select your offer, research the traffic, launch your campaign, test/track/tweak, and ramp up your results into the stratosphere. I told you Mr. X had it down to a "paint by the numbers" system... <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">How Mr. X creates a click-through-rate on his ads that’s about 100x better than the average. (You won’t believe what kind of profit that creates...) <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">Why "find a need and fill it" will get you killed. And what Mr. X. does instead to max out his profits. <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">BIG SECRET: How Mr. X has nearly 50% of the email addresses of users on Facebook (seriously). This is so hush-hush we’ll have to turn off the cameras here. It’s not anything illegal or gray — he’s simply created some amazing Facebook applications that users spread like wildfire. I can’t reveal much more than this — but this one secret is probably going to be worth 10x your ticket price.
And a whole lot more… In fact, due to Mr. X’s request to remain absolutely anonymous, he had strict limits on the amount of information I can let leak out... And this is it.

WHAT SUCKS IS THAT I COULD HAVE PAID THE 2k TO GO AND SEE ALL THE OTHER GOOD STUFF, ALONG WITH THE ARBITRAGE MATERIAL??

I could be wrong......sure sounds like our man though.....waddaya think?

shoogg · 01-16-2009, 11:25 AM

Thanks elliec. I sent Aymen and the AC a refund request email today. Let's see how long it takes to get the refund.

The 13th Warrior · 01-16-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jimrpips

Yanik is one of the biggest, slickest 'drip marketers' in history. You NEVER get the full anything with that guy, he strings you along forever LOL

The smell alert always came to me about this guy.

Somehow, I felt what you described is exactly what would happen, along with other so-called "gurus".

His copy and mug just have that "sticky-ness" to it.

The 13 th Warrior

digabot · 01-16-2009, 01:37 PM

Yanik Silver needs to be stopped. Guy just rides his rep from 5 years ago. Some of the worst products of all time.

shoogg · 01-16-2009, 01:53 PM

Yep, my access to the AC site was shut down immediately after I sent the refund request email.

chatwithapro · 01-16-2009, 02:38 PM

Quick Update:
I'm currently listening to the Week Two Webinar and it has restored my confidence that Aymen and Emmanuel really know their stuff... and they are going to share all of their advanced techniques.

Their biggest mistake was not making it Extremely Clear that they were going to start with the basics (absolute newbies) and slowly progress onto more advanced techniques...

I'm afraid that too many people thought that they were going to make $50k per day doing direct linking running google adwords at $.05 per click.

If it were that easy, wouldn't everyone be doing it? This is a job and it takes work but if you do it consistently and follow these guys lead you will make money... at least that is what I believe.

jjjt · 01-16-2009, 02:44 PM

Interesting Q&A session with Aymen and Emanuel.

They have addressed a lot of the questions that were frustrating a lot of people, including me, touching on some subjects that I think are planned for future weeks.

Apparently, there are some success stories, although they admitted many are still struggling.

At the start of the call, they both sounded a little flustered -I think the sudden flurry of refund requests may have shocked them.

But, for my part, I'm feeling a little more positive about the course.

Looking forward to keyword research material on Monday.

Raemi13 · 01-16-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjt

Interesting Q&A session with Aymen and Emanuel.

They have addressed a lot of the questions that were frustrating a lot of people, including me, touching on some subjects that I think are planned for future weeks.

Apparently, there are some success stories, although they admitted many are still struggling.

At the start of the call, they both sounded a little flustered -I think the sudden flurry of refund requests may have shocked them.

But, for my part, I'm feeling a little more positive about the course.

Looking forward to keyword research material on Monday.

I agree!

I'm glad to see others with me are staying the course and still believing in these guys.

Rae

The 13th Warrior · 01-16-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shoogg

Yep, my access to the AC site was shut down immediately after I sent the refund request email.

Amazing how QUICKLY they did THAT vs other things that needed to be done right away.

Companies show their priorities, and maybe their heart, with WHAT they respond to with speed.

The 13 th Warrior

cutthoney · 01-16-2009, 03:23 PM

what is a cc cutthoney

cutthoney · 01-16-2009, 03:25 PM

what is a cc cutthoney

Harlan · 01-16-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by digabot

Yanik Silver needs to be stopped. Guy just rides his rep from 5 years ago. Some of the worst products of all time.

I was invited to meet members of Yanik's Mastermind last week when Yanik took everyone to dinner.

I would respectfully submit that Yanik seriously knows what's working in IM.

His mastermind includes some of the most respected IM people in the world.

In fact, you can't get in unless you are already making 6 figures for one group and 7 figures for another.

Ask those folks why they all re-sign with Yanik.

He delivers.

I'm not in his MM nor an affiliate. I'm just sharing his people were extremely happy with his working with them.

brand-all · 01-16-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

This is my guess also. They probably do not realize there is such a frenzy over this.

James I think you hit the nail on the head. That is what everyone is really saying. They don't realise it and obviously don't care either. A launch of this magnitude should have anticipated such a large amount of marketplace feedback & questions.

I join in the call for Aymen & buddies to provide some clarification here or on the main site. Come on guys....show us you have some nads.

drm709 · 01-16-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by molebrain

I know that Arbitrage/CPA works, but what many don't realize that unless you have a CC and are willing to use it, you won't make much money unless you do some bum marketing methods.

You will need a website as well, since a lot of CPA companies will require it before they accept you. Your site will have to show that you are a capable CPA affiliate as well, not
some scraper type site or blog.

Dennis

digabot · 01-16-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Harlan

I was invited to meet members of Yanik's Mastermind last week when Yanik took everyone to dinner.

I would respectfully submit that Yanik seriously knows what's working in IM.

His mastermind includes some of the most respected IM people in the world.

In fact, you can't get in unless you are already making 6 figures for one group and 7 figures for another.

Ask those folks why they all re-sign with Yanik.

He delivers.

I'm not in his MM nor an affiliate. I'm just sharing his people were extremely happy with his working with them.

Well said by someone who writes copy for all those folks.

honestbizpro · 01-16-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Harlan

I was invited to meet members of Yanik's Mastermind last week when Yanik took everyone to dinner.

I would respectfully submit that Yanik seriously knows what's working in IM.

His mastermind includes some of the most respected IM people in the world.

In fact, you can't get in unless you are already making 6 figures for one group and 7 figures for another.

Ask those folks why they all re-sign with Yanik.

He delivers.

I'm not in his MM nor an affiliate. I'm just sharing his people were extremely happy with his working with them.

Yea Harlan, I think its quite impossible for Yanick to hang out with the big doggs, and (collect their money as well) and not know some incredible nuggets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drm709

You will need a website as well, since a lot of CPA companies will require it before they accept you. Your site will have to show that you are a capable CPA affiliate as well, not
some scraper type site or blog.

Dennis

Hi Dennis, yep yep, but each network has a different threshold of how they filter publishers in........some its almost instant...some want to talk on the phone..some want a site and to get a feel that you know what you are doing and not just taking it up for a hobby....they get paid off your efforts! They love content and niche blog are always cool I think. Just make sure you have a review page with offers or affiliate links included.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutthoney

what is a cc cutthoney

I think someone is referring to a Credit Card. ( and using it for PPC)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand-all

James I think you hit the nail on the head. That is what everyone is really saying. They don't realise it and obviously don't care either. A launch of this magnitude should have anticipated such a large amount of marketplace feedback & questions.

I join in the call for Aymen & buddies to provide some clarification here or on the main site. Come on guys....show us you have some nads.

Do not be fooled....Aymen surely is reading this thread on the low low. May be a coincidence.....I mentioned how Frank Kern used the Headline "Bad News" in his emails to get a better open rate...and guess what? Aymens email had the heading "Bad News" the very next day.

veotis · 01-16-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by drm709

You will need a website as well, since a lot of CPA companies will require it before they accept you. Your site will have to show that you are a capable CPA affiliate as well, not
some scraper type site or blog.

Dennis

That is incorrect. While having a web site would help, you can get accepted without one to a lot of networks.

amulektwo · 01-16-2009, 07:48 PM

So does anyone have more feed back about this program? Was it worth the money? please share. thanks

buzzword · 01-16-2009, 07:54 PM

I found this on another thread here, but related... some info for thought:

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In November 2008, down in Las Vegas, there was a private session hosted by Brad Fallon, to showcase a system where you can make $100k a day in CPA Marketing.
I did the math in my head. That's $36 million a year. There are some CPA networks that aren't even doing that well. And here was a small team claiming to be making that.
So why in the world would I risk my job and come out with a blog post warning people to Do Not Buy the Arbitrage Conspiracy program? Because I couldn't keep quiet over, in what I felt, was an unethical marketing ploy.

- Stating $100k days were being met when they were not
- "Start for as little as $50.00" soon changed to "at least $500" to start
- Constantly changing refund policy
- $800 check shown on sales page

Seriously, there was an $800 check (it is gone now) on the sales page but if we are really talking about a program to make $100k a day, let's see checks for $5 million.

****************************
From someone on the 'inside' who thought it was unethical? And, now recommending NOT to buy? May explain why all the gurus who so adamantly promoted it on the sales page initially cannot even be found now. Maybe they knew something we didn't. hmmmm...
I know they keep highlighting the positive stuff with every webinar, but I can't help to wonder what percent of the current members are less than breaking even?

brand-all · 01-16-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by honestbizpro

Yea Harlan, I think its quite impossible for Yanick to hang out with the big doggs, and (collect their money as well) and not know some incredible nuggets.

Hi Dennis, yep yep, but each network has a different threshold of how they filter publishers in........some its almost instant...some want to talk on the phone..some want a site and to get a feel that you know what you are doing and not just taking it up for a hobby....they get paid off your efforts! They love content and niche blog are always cool I think. Just make sure you have a review page with offers or affiliate links included.

I think someone is referring to a Credit Card. ( and using it for PPC)

Do not be fooled....Aymen surely is reading this thread on the low low. May be a coincidence.....I mentioned how Frank Kern used the Headline "Bad News" in his emails to get a better open rate...and guess what? Aymens email had the heading "Bad News" the very next day.

I hope you are correct and we all see some response here to clear things up. If the other guru's (Andrew X & The Loophole Guys) to name a couple, can do it then surely Aymen can put some time into this forum too. I think customers deserve to know that their investment is safe and the seller will honor his claims of product quality and refund policy.

Eric Graudins · 01-16-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by amulektwo

So does anyone have more feed back about this program? Was it worth the money? please share. thanks

Sheeesh! Why not read the previous posts. There's plenty there to help you make up your mind. And I'd say it will be a few months before anyone will be able to tell you if it was worth the money.

gt555 · 01-16-2009, 08:28 PM

When I first start swimming in this shark infested water of IM,the power and the glory of the copy -- all hype-- would hunt me most of the time--capturing my credit card and all my hard earned money. Suspend the rational conciousness and sell them whatever they want by being more unrealistic .. That dude Jo Han Mok (MUCK) style of copying in all it variations. Harlan included too with all that NLP Bull****! Now everytime I see anybody showing checks in their sale page or bragging about how much they make. A big NO. However, I was about to fall for AC and I immediatley did some research and thank god for WF and Jerry West. Jerry a attended the Las Vegas and walked out!!! They saved me. The more they suspend our belief the more we fall. I swear it is like addiction I nearly had a relapse.. I think this kind of copy is unethical and sooner or later the saturation will happen. I am already numbed to it.....

templar · 01-16-2009, 08:33 PM

Some have requested refunds.

Personally, I didn't, and for good reason. And I am very happy with my decision. It's been not only helpful to have professionals who know how to market cpa offers, but also to have the focus to keep it going and not flip to another way to make money online.

Since 98% of folks don't even read/watch the info products they buy, just paying attention can be a huge advantage in a course like this.

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Originally Posted by amulektwo

So does anyone have more feed back about this program? Was it worth the money? please share. thanks

The 13th Warrior · 01-16-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Harlan

In fact, you can't get in unless you are already making 6 figures for one group and 7 figures for another.

Exactly. If you are not JV'ing or can throw around 6 and 7 figures, you will not get the real stuff.

In places where there is high humidity, you can shower 10 times and you still have that "film" feel on your skin, like I said before, his copy and mug just has that "sticky-ness" feel to it.

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Originally Posted by digabot

Well said by someone who writes copy for all those folks.

There we go. Hard pressed to get UN-biased, honesty in this industry.

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Originally Posted by gt555

Harlan included too with all that NLP Bull****! Now everytime I see anybody showing checks in their sale page or bragging about how much they make. A big NO. However, I was about to fall for AC and I immediatley did some research and thank god for WF and Jerry West. Jerry a attended the Las Vegas and walked out!!! They saved me.

You can count on one hand the kind of guys like Jerry West.

Stick with him, you're gonna be extremely hard pressed to find more persons of this high quality, your search may take you into the years.

The 13 th Warrior

The 13th Warrior · 01-16-2009, 09:37 PM

Who knows, maybe in the end AC may be the course it says it is, time will tell.

But has anyone purchased or heard of, hands down, high quality stuff that did what it said it could do that started out or continued with such , seemingly, willful clumsiness?

The 13 th Warrior

shoogg · 01-17-2009, 12:24 AM

If it struts like a turkey, and gobbles like a turkey, what is it?

James Schramko · 01-17-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jimrpips

@beksworld: old news. Everyone figured out Mr. X is Aymen a while back.

And no, you won't get "all the arbitrage material" plus the "good stuff". You'll get a high-level overview as part of the seminar that day.

Yanik is one of the biggest, slickest 'drip marketers' in history. You NEVER get the full anything with that guy, he strings you along forever LOL

Did you go to Underground last year Jim?

I was there. I totally disagree with you. It is quality actionable meaty information. That seminar changed everything for me and Yanik is a very nice person who over delivers.

James Schramko · 01-17-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by shoogg

If it struts like a turkey, and gobbles like a turkey, what is it?

I'd say that is myopia.

James Schramko · 01-17-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by honestbizpro

Do not be fooled....Aymen surely is reading this thread on the low low. May be a coincidence.....I mentioned how Frank Kern used the Headline "Bad News" in his emails to get a better open rate...and guess what? Aymens email had the heading "Bad News" the very next day.

Yeah I'm sure Aymen is hanging on your next post for his next inspiration lol....

James Schramko · 01-17-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzword

I can't help to wonder what percent of the current members are less than breaking even?

This would be like wondering what percentage of trainee heart surgeons can perform a perfect operation after less that 20% off the training?

Give it a chance...

James Schramko · 01-17-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gt555

thank god for WF and Jerry West. Jerry a attended the Las Vegas and walked out!!! They saved me.

From what?

An opportunity to learn from an expert. They may have done you a disservice however you may never know. You have risked nothing and gained nothing.

Stop handing your destiny to other people - they ALL have agendas...and they do not have much planned for you.

01-15-2009, 05:27 PM	#1302
Louis Raven Elite Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: United Kingdom. Posts: 2,876 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 211 Thanked 64 Times in 49 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Just wanted to say how great this thread has become. You can learn a lot including business management, ppc, product launching etc etc. Good luck to those that purchased AC. The "too good to be true" concept got to me first so I didn't purchase Louis
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01-15-2009, 06:07 PM	#1303
Noah Fleming Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,841 Thanks: 30 Thanked 37 Times in 26 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I've been developing a relationship with a new Affiliate Manager at one of the larger networks over the past two weeks, we've been talking quite often and I've surprisingly been getting some decent info out of him. We were discussing this thread and we got on the topic of this thread and he knew about AC and Aymen, and he started telling me that "iframing/direct linking" are a sure fire way to fail at making anything happen. He told me that anyone doing serious numbers is not doing any of that and it nearly all comes down to having unique pages made for the offers. Now I'd imagine the bigger buys are cloaking traffic and for all I know the AM could just be spewing off stuff he's read too, but just thought I'd share.
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01-16-2009, 12:18 AM	#1306
kenwarrior Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 399 Thanks: 34 Thanked 78 Times in 45 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA There's easier ways of getting traffic, I just bought a special 29 page report for $7 that is full of great ideas to generate free traffic, lets see 2000/7= approx 285, I think I'd rather burn through my AC $2000 fee one $7 report at a time
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01-16-2009, 06:29 AM	#1312
templar Jack Sinclair War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Powell River, BC , Canada. Posts: 338 Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 9 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA About 20% of the folks I am studying with are doing well with arbitrage conspiracy, and the rest are catching up on the stuff they need to know. It's not mind blowing profits just yet, but all of us are waiting for week 3 training, since that is one of the keys to massive success with ppc.
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01-16-2009, 09:18 AM	#1314
kenwarrior Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 399 Thanks: 34 Thanked 78 Times in 45 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Looks like I should have bought your double digit ctr product for $39.95 rather than spend $2K on AC!
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01-16-2009, 09:27 AM	#1315
Raemi13 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 48 Thanks: 36 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I personally can't wait to get to the content of building our own sites to promote our campaigns. Since obviously the direct linking/iframing is not ideal by any means - I want to really get into the meat of the stuff. I've built a few sites through GoDaddy's web site builder and Blue Voda, etc., I just don't know what the sites are supposed to look like, or how it all works with someone else's product. I've got 9 campaigns up and running so far and they are doing "o.k." Some days I see a small profit, some days a see a small loss, and my budgets are set pretty low while I'm learning all of this. I have done PPC for over a year now for my MLM biz and my MLM training biz and have done well with it, so I know the basics already. I hope there is some good content on today's webinar as well. I for one am sticking this out. I'm still as excited today about this as I was the day I signed up. My ultimate goal is $1,000 per day and then I can quit this JOB!! Rae

01-16-2009, 09:49 AM	#1316
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,840 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA This is one of the most viewed threads here at the Forum.....and for good reason. It is also highly educational for me. I am learning how people like to be taught, how fast people can learn, how to keep people from dropping out, how great it is to let customers intereact, and the different speeds and methods that people absorb content. Without a doubt the intricacies of launching a major product or service. This is like watching Internet Marketing Cable Channel!
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01-16-2009, 11:22 AM	#1320
beksworld Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: WISCONSIN Posts: 39 Thanks: 8 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I KNOW YOU ALL CAN SEE YANIK'S "UNDERGROUND EVENT" LINK when Logging into this forum. But BOY was I floored when I realized our MR. X might be our man Aymen himself?? I sure hope he teaches us the facebook techniques too....in Arbitrage. I still feel good about this, and am hopeful the GOLD is in the mountain, not at the surface. Here's the excerpt from An ALL-NEW Group of 'Underground' Internet Insiders (Quietly Banking Over $200 MILLION Per Year) This year, we’ve "Mr. X" is a huge player on the social media scene and the CPA networks. We’re talking like $100,000.00 a day huge. Mr. X. plays in a very large sandbox... and he’s gotten the blueprint for success so well documented... it’s pretty much paint-by-number. Well, it’s actually is "paint by the numbers." Due to the classified nature of Mr. X, here’s a very short list of what he’s bringing. You’ll have to be in your seat at Underground® 5 to get the full story. Sorry. By claiming your seat, you’ll get your chance to learn things like: How to "run with the big boys" and not get killed. Mr. X. knows what he’s doing in what is one of the most cut-throat worlds out there: CPA (cost per action) networks. In that world, it’s all about the numbers. And if you don’t know how to create the big numbers that get attention... it’s pretty much game over. You don’t get another chance.<LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">Cutting edge tech tools that truly take the guessing out of the CPA game. If you think the world of CPA is confusing and intimidating... it’s probably because you have no idea what kinds of tools these guys have guiding their decisions. Amazing stuff. <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">A step-by-step blueprint to select your offer, research the traffic, launch your campaign, test/track/tweak, and ramp up your results into the stratosphere. I told you Mr. X had it down to a "paint by the numbers" system... <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">How Mr. X creates a click-through-rate on his ads that’s about 100x better than the average. (You won’t believe what kind of profit that creates...) <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">Why "find a need and fill it" will get you killed. And what Mr. X. does instead to max out his profits. <LI style="MARGIN-TOP: 10pt">BIG SECRET: How Mr. X has nearly 50% of the email addresses of users on Facebook (seriously). This is so hush-hush we’ll have to turn off the cameras here. It’s not anything illegal or gray — he’s simply created some amazing Facebook applications that users spread like wildfire. I can’t reveal much more than this — but this one secret is probably going to be worth 10x your ticket price. And a whole lot more… In fact, due to Mr. X’s request to remain absolutely anonymous, he had strict limits on the amount of information I can let leak out... And this is it. WHAT SUCKS IS THAT I COULD HAVE PAID THE 2k TO GO AND SEE ALL THE OTHER GOOD STUFF, ALONG WITH THE ARBITRAGE MATERIAL?? I could be wrong......sure sounds like our man though.....waddaya think?

01-16-2009, 11:25 AM	#1321
shoogg Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Thanks elliec. I sent Aymen and the AC a refund request email today. Let's see how long it takes to get the refund.

01-16-2009, 01:37 PM	#1323
digabot HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 140 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Yanik Silver needs to be stopped. Guy just rides his rep from 5 years ago. Some of the worst products of all time.

01-16-2009, 01:53 PM	#1324
shoogg Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Yep, my access to the AC site was shut down immediately after I sent the refund request email.

01-16-2009, 02:38 PM	#1325
chatwithapro Live Chat Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 29 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Quick Update: I'm currently listening to the Week Two Webinar and it has restored my confidence that Aymen and Emmanuel really know their stuff... and they are going to share all of their advanced techniques. Their biggest mistake was not making it Extremely Clear that they were going to start with the basics (absolute newbies) and slowly progress onto more advanced techniques... I'm afraid that too many people thought that they were going to make $50k per day doing direct linking running google adwords at $.05 per click. If it were that easy, wouldn't everyone be doing it? This is a job and it takes work but if you do it consistently and follow these guys lead you will make money... at least that is what I believe.

01-16-2009, 02:44 PM	#1326
jjjt Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Interesting Q&A session with Aymen and Emanuel. They have addressed a lot of the questions that were frustrating a lot of people, including me, touching on some subjects that I think are planned for future weeks. Apparently, there are some success stories, although they admitted many are still struggling. At the start of the call, they both sounded a little flustered -I think the sudden flurry of refund requests may have shocked them. But, for my part, I'm feeling a little more positive about the course. Looking forward to keyword research material on Monday.

01-16-2009, 03:23 PM	#1329
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01-16-2009, 03:25 PM	#1330
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01-16-2009, 07:48 PM	#1337
amulektwo Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA So does anyone have more feed back about this program? Was it worth the money? please share. thanks

01-16-2009, 07:54 PM	#1338
buzzword Bzzzy Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Honey High Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I found this on another thread here, but related... some info for thought: ********************************* In November 2008, down in Las Vegas, there was a private session hosted by Brad Fallon, to showcase a system where you can make $100k a day in CPA Marketing. I did the math in my head. That's $36 million a year. There are some CPA networks that aren't even doing that well. And here was a small team claiming to be making that. So why in the world would I risk my job and come out with a blog post warning people to Do Not Buy the Arbitrage Conspiracy program? Because I couldn't keep quiet over, in what I felt, was an unethical marketing ploy. - Stating $100k days were being met when they were not - "Start for as little as $50.00" soon changed to "at least $500" to start - Constantly changing refund policy - $800 check shown on sales page Seriously, there was an $800 check (it is gone now) on the sales page but if we are really talking about a program to make $100k a day, let's see checks for $5 million. ************************** From someone on the 'inside' who thought it was unethical? And, now recommending NOT to buy? May explain why all the gurus who so adamantly promoted it on the sales page initially cannot even be found now. Maybe they knew something we didn't. hmmmm... I know they keep highlighting the positive stuff with every webinar, but I can't help to wonder what percent of the current members are less than breaking even?
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01-16-2009, 08:28 PM	#1341
gt555 Warrior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 19 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA When I first start swimming in this shark infested water of IM,the power and the glory of the copy -- all hype-- would hunt me most of the time--capturing my credit card and all my hard earned money. Suspend the rational conciousness and sell them whatever they want by being more unrealistic .. That dude Jo Han Mok (MUCK) style of copying in all it variations. Harlan included too with all that NLP Bull****! Now everytime I see anybody showing checks in their sale page or bragging about how much they make. A big NO. However, I was about to fall for AC and I immediatley did some research and thank god for WF and Jerry West. Jerry a attended the Las Vegas and walked out!!! They saved me. The more they suspend our belief the more we fall. I swear it is like addiction I nearly had a relapse.. I think this kind of copy is unethical and sooner or later the saturation will happen. I am already numbed to it.....

01-16-2009, 09:37 PM	#1344
The 13th Warrior HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 487 Thanks: 216 Thanked 138 Times in 87 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Who knows, maybe in the end AC may be the course it says it is, time will tell. But has anyone purchased or heard of, hands down, high quality stuff that did what it said it could do that started out or continued with such , seemingly, willful clumsiness? The 13 th Warrior

01-17-2009, 12:24 AM	#1345
shoogg Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA If it struts like a turkey, and gobbles like a turkey, what is it?