James Schramko

Stop being lazy and use the mouse to find the answer to your question. This kind of done for you attitude will never make you wealthy.

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kenwarrior

I came across Jerry Wests blog/website etc and signed up for his free CPA course and newsletter, his report on the Las Vegas event and CPA in general is very sobering to say the least, if anyone is still within the 30 day period and still sitting on the fence about quiting this very expensive course, you should at least read what he has to say, sounds like someone who is a straight shooter!

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James Schramko

Jerry West is a straight shooter and an authority.

However,

He was talking about the marketing of the course not the course itself.

Anyone on the fence to quit should quit. They are the wrong type of person to succeed at this (and many other business models)

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kenwarrior

I have to disagree on this point, he did say that based on his extensive CPA experiance 35% of leads eventually get scrubed, that has not been mentioned so far either in the sales pitch or in week 1-2 content, that kind of cut will make a big difference to the profit/loss of a campaign.

Another CPA authority has quoted a figure of 20% so I think working with a 20-35% scrube rate figure is a sure thing

Whereas when selling a good clickbank product the return rate is usually 5% or less

He also said that CPA is a ruthless cut throat business whereas the AC guys make it sound like fun!

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James Schramko

Well that is what I am saying.

Comments like "the AC guys make it sound like fun!" and "sales pitch " relate to the way it was sold.

Bear in mind that he has stopped all of his CPA projects "because they are all down right now due to the markets."


Jerry has nothing against Aymen personally, his issue was the launch, how it was misrepresented and how it was just basically injected with hype during a recession.

This is exactly what he told me. (It is on his blog if you want to have a look).

If Jerry prints it on his own blog surely that is fact?

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the-CPA-guy

Agree. I want more people to quit CPA as well.

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ToddieM

I am certainly glad to read this because from my Stomper days, Jerry West was definitely one of the guys I highly respected. His walking out of the Vegas thing had been bothering me.

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SimonHarrison

I believe he walked out saying there was nothing new and it was quite basic no ? Seems like he's talking about the course.

James Schramko

I think kenwarrior was talking about the blog post.

Jerry Walked out quite early too.

His own words on his blog:

"I have against Aymen personally, my issue was the launch, how it was misrepresented and how it was just basically injected with hype during a recession."

He did try to contact Aymen to ask him more details..

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James Schramko

I really respect Jerry West too, I pay each month to read his information. His SEO stuff is top notch.

He mentioned he is not doing CPA at the moment.

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kenwarrior

A new bonus has been added, Tru-Guru, anybody got any knowledge of this, from 1st look it looks like the 1st bonus thats worth anything!

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winy925

i got some knowledge out of it

James Schramko

Looks like an excellent resource. I have been watching Mathew with his campaigns and he does know his stuff.

(There are a lot more cool bonuses coming through as well. I know of several more that will be valuable)

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digabot

What?

"STEP ONE: You Need a Business Corporation.
Do not start a CPA business without one. It will take just a few days and around $500.00 for the attorney to draw up the paper work. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP.

STEP TWO: Get an "Umbrella Policy";When you become successful, the likelihood you will be sued escalates. The Umbrella policy protects you in this matter. This will help you sleep at night.

STEP THREE: Create a Trust and Transfer Your Assets";If you don't already have a family trust, get one. It is one of the best asset protection strategies out there. Your attorney can advise you further."

That's ridiculous.

If you are starting a business, focus on getting your first conversion or sales ONLY. Start making some consistent revenue before you even consider these formalities. If it turns out to be something you not want to do, you haven't dumped cash on them.

Start by DOING business not PLAYING business.

Black Hat Cat

So, according to Jerry, it's ok to misrepresent and hype products as long as we aren't in a recession, lol?

honestbizpro

Hey digabot, that's keeping it real. I personally speak with dozens of people a day about some real world ways to pay some bills just to stay afloat.

Jerry West has rock solid info for laying a long term foundation, but for some there are financial hurdles just to enter the game.



To James Schramko...maybe if Aymen came here amidst this almost 30 pages of posts on HIS product, and delivered a single comment, you would'nt have to leave 50% of all comments.

veotis

A single comment from Aymen would not appease the majority of posters in this thread, and you know that. I assume from what I know of James is that he truly believes in Aymen and what he is teaching. He knows Aymen personally. And, he has applied what Aymen has taught him to make a very good living on the internet. Nothing wrong with being passionate about something or someone you believe in...

kenwarrior

As time goes on my thoughts are getting clearer for me as far as the AC is concerned, it seems that what they have mastered is:

1. Become Super PPC experts

2. Learnt some tricks that allow them to scale up big time

3. Learnt how to manage their cash flow

But for me is step one is really the key and I'm not really concerned about step 3 right now, and I'd only be interested in step 2 if I can graduate step 1

So I'm thinking surely I can learn step one for a lot less than $2000, from better teachers with better materials, videos, manuals, software etc?

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honestbizpro

Hi Veotis,

well said..and well taken.

ToddieM

Pretty cheeky there, James!

I'm going to stop being lazy and use my mouse instead of my legs.
In case of fire, use stairs. I'd rather use water.
If you think I'm avoiding going to work at my "other" job, you'd be correct!

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ToddieM

Aymen just said on the last call that people who are making big bucks on the Internet usually don't have time to be posting on forums such as this. Sounds a bit arrogant, yes; and, yes, I'm not making big bucks on the Internet either, but when I do, ToddieM will become a lot more scarce.
And I'm pretty sure just one quote from him would spawn so many tangential questions that he couldn't be bothered with it.
As they continue to work out the bugs with their delivery and course teaching, I believe he's more committed to those who spent the $2000, not those who didn't and taking potshots, and certainly not those who did and are complaining after three weeks that they're not making that "50-100K a day" thing.

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ToddieM

I agree. People can get so hung up on that legal mumbo jumbo that they delay the actions that will get them that first sale.
I did, however, get a business journal and started making entries to it. That advice I thought was rock solid.

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templar

I recommend everyone sign up to get what Jerry has to offer, but he has come clean and said he will be creating a "lite" version along with a paid version...so his marketing machine is working well.

As for the question about where else to look for great high powered info, you can read this forum, and see quite a few references to gauher chaudry and payperclickformula (hint hint).

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honestbizpro

Oh, just to add to that templar....with the Jerry West CPA, people seem to be having more success signing up with gmail than yahoo accounts. Some...including myself were not getting all the lessons.

lifeclucks

Being from Canada, and running USA - CPA offers through Google Adwords, I want to see that my Ad is showing correctly in the US. When I use Worldproxy202, google, then my keyword to find my Ad and click on it I get a redirect notice with my link cut at the ampersand and no Ad showing. Is it the way I am doing it or is there a problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

RhiannaC

I joined AC to learn CPA. I stayed with it through this morning beyond my 30 day period which expired on 1/12. I send 5 emails asking if they would allow the 30 days to begin once the class went live. I explained if not, I would have 6 days to decide and wouldn't stay around for week 2 if the didn't. No reply to any email.

I requested a refund this morning stating if they did not refund because the 30 days had gone by, I would dispute charges with my bank. I waited six hours and no reply came. I contacted my bank and the charges were disputed. I just received an email from AC that both payments were refunded. If they refunded because it was a wise business decisions, that is great. If they refunded because I wrote the charges would be disputed, that's another story. I would like to know which one but never will.

I've read through this entire thread the last few hours. Legally, they must follow the terms of the guarantee as it was written on the day you purchased--not how they changed it later. The terms of a contract cannot change by one party to a contract after the fact. It requires agreement from both.

I was looking forward to a "concise" learning experience. When you purchase a class and you, the student, has to implement changes to the instructions, you are walking blind without prior knowledge. You could probably figure it out in time, maybe spend another $500 but you didn't spend $2K to do that. That's what alarmed me the most. Not having prior knowledge to rely upon meant you might spend weeks learning, only to unlearn.

For those who want a refund and are beyond their 30 days, wanted to leave this message for you.

RhiannaC

I think so, Ken. That's why I asked for a refund now. Too many things rang alarm bells--delays in the beginning, changing guarantee, webinars failing, late on week 2, videos dragging. But most importantly, no one responded to 5 emails. One saying "we've received your ticket" would have helped.

I hope everyone has great success with AC. This is not for people new to PPC or new to the basics of affiliate offers.

veotis

Thanks, you took it the way I intended. I'm grateful that I found this thread when it first started, for this is where I first heard of The Arbitrage Conspiracy. When I saw that James was an affiliate and was offering some great bonuses ( his Traffic Secrets Monthly with Double Digit CTR and a private forum ), I knew I'd better check AC out. I had bought Xsitepro through James, so I knew his bonuses and his willingness to help was first class. Sure he made money off of me, so what? Isn't that what internet marketing is all about? But, and I'm sure others who have purchased anything through James will agree, it doesn't stop there. He will answer e-mails, reply to posts, etc. Just a heck of a guy!

Cataclysmic

My stats so far:

Total spent: $70.39 (on clicks only; I've also registered domains, etc)
Total earned: $7.10

A net loss, obviously, but I'm not concerned so far.

My biggest challenge is getting Google to actually display my ads without putting the CPCs through the roof (i.e. it obviously doesn't make sense to advertise if the CPC is $3 and the payout per conversion is just $1). I'm getting better at it though, and am hopeful that success will come. It's a lot of work!

mikewa

I live in New Zealand and this is how I view ads which are being displayed in the USA.

I just use my local Google browser (google.co.nz) and type in eg ‘dog training tips’.
This is what comes up in the address bar:

http:// www. google. co.nz/search?hl=en&q=dog+training+tips&btnG=Google+Searc h&meta=

I then add ‘&gl=us’ to the end of the address so that the total address is now:

http:// www. google. co.nz/search?hl=en&q=dog+training+tips&btnG=Google+Searc h&meta=&gl=us

– then press enter again

Up will come the ads as seen in the US. If for some strange reason you wanted to see the local ads in Australia you would change it to ‘&gl=au’

Hope this helps

templar

Yes, but he is a cpa newbie...yet an seo expert. Goes to show you need to find what each persons really knows.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss, but the painful part is waking up.

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honestbizpro

Hi Mikewa, nice tip.

In your experiences over there have you had good success when applying to CPA networks? I get asked that question alot. What would you say increases your approval rate?

James Schramko

Try this tool:

https://adwords.google.com/select/Ad...ingPreviewTool

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buzzword

You would be best served by moving to Yahoo, or MSN, or (heaven forbid!) the second tier PPC markets. You'd be surprised how much traffic you can get for literally pennies per keyword. Yeah Google dominates the market, but you PAY for that convenience! In a direct comparison, what would cost $0.25 for a first page click in Google (not even first PLACE!) you could pay $0.02 for a click in 7search.

So, say you manage to convert 1 in every 5.

If the payout is $1.50 for the lead, you'll spend $1.25 to get the $1.50 on Google.
But, you'll spend $0.10 to get the $1.50 on a 2nd tier PPC engine.

Heck, you can even do as bad as convert 1 in every 100 and STILL MAKE A 50% PROFIT!
There are a lot of 2nd tier PPC engines available. I would suggest using them to perform your "testing" on. When you find a winner that you can convert to 1 in 5, THEN move it to Google and duplicate.

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lifeclucks

Thanks for your advice mikewa and James, I will try the two ways that have been suggested. Several days ago I did try the &gl=US and found my Ad, but when I clicked on my Ad it took me to the Webfetti - Canadian redirect promo. Nice to have response from down-under, I was born in Adelaide, too many years ago.
I am disappointed that after 9 days of e-mails to AC, that I could not get even an acknowlegement that I even sent an e-mail. The plus side is that I was forced to look elsewhere and found a great group of people at this forum. When I listened to the webinar yesterday and negativity was mentioned, I do not believe most people are negative, it is just when you get really stuck you need some support. I sent them the screen shots of what was happening, they could have helped me with this 9 days ago. I am running campaigns in Canada and very limited in the US, it has not stopped me. Thanks again.

James Schramko

Marchex is also a good 2nd tier PPC network

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James Schramko

I'm guessing you are using a neverblue offer,

The default offer for out of area clicks is webfetti. (You can sometimes still jag a sale !!).

I use www.proxify.com to see sales pages when I am doing my keyword list.

Glad to share.

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mikewa

Thanks for reminding us about this tool. At one time it did not work for months but Google have obviously got round to fixing it at long last!

James Schramko

thx, I rely on it since I can't see most of my offers!

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mikewa

Good question! I find it impossible to sign up for some CPA and affiliate programs which are not mainstream just for the fact that I do not live in the US.

honestbizpro

Hey thanks for that reply mikewa....I found this on another thread on that subject.

Cataclysmic

Good to know. I was thinking of doing it the other way around.

LifeClucks - I'm in Ottawa too.

Black Hat Cat

Jerry isn't a cpa newbie.

mrsrp

Here's an email I saw on another discussion forum. Apparently it's from Gauher Chaudhry, the PPC formula guy

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I have received a number of emails from my readers
and customers regarding the launch of "Arbitrage
Conspiracy" slated for today at 12:00 pm EST.

I was invited to the $10,000 Las Vegas show but
didn't go because it was too short notice for me.

I have not seen the course, so I can't comment on
the calibre of the material.

Therefore this email is not an endorsement (you
will NOT see any affiliate link), but rather my
opinion based on the number of emails I have
received asking my opinion and the forum thread
that has started in the PPCF members area.

What you will read is not hype, but rather the
truth. Sometimes the truth can get distorted
during these rather large product launches.

I was well aware of this course almost 3 months
ago because the guys behind it, Aymen and Emmanuel
are both Pay Per Click Formula and Pay Per View
Formula owners.

In fact, Aymen and Emmanuel met each other at my
PPV Formula seminar last December in Toronto.

Most of don't know this, but Emmanuel goes by the
username OSR in the forums and you can spot him by
the quality posts he has made in the forums.

A lot of you are asking whether the numbers being
thrown around (i.e. $100K net profit daily) are
legitimate.

Yes.

I know these numbers sound absurd, but it really
is quite possible to make these type of profits.

How do I know this?

Because for some of the CPA networks they were
driving the traffic to, they had signed up under
my REFERRAL link so I was getting anywhere from a
2-3% percent commissions.

I was stunned when I started receiving huge
referral checks.

I called them up and said, keep doing what you are
doing because I like the nice large referral
checks for doing nothing.

I met up with Emmanuel at the CX Digital affiliate
advisory meeting in October and he further
explained to me how they were scaling their
campaigns to get massive results.

I told them that when they were ready to launch, I
would be their number one affiliate.

But that will not happen because I have not seen
their material and therefore can't endorse their
course in all fairness.

Now, when the Arbitrage Conspiracy report first
came out, I was a little bit taken a back when
they started revealing the Alexa technique.

Now, I don't claim to own the concept of bidding
on domain names, but I know that the strategy of
harvesting related domains from Alexa is only in
PPC Formula.

So I sent an email to both Aymen and Emmanuel
yesterday before their teleseminar asking why PPC
Formula material is being revealed and how closely
related their material is to PPC Formula and the
subsequent release of PPCF 2.0.

They both immediately called me and explained that
their was no bad intention to use my material and
that their course is very different.

Aymen told me he tried to reach me before they
released the report for review, but I was in
California for the PPC Classroom event.

Did I believe them?

Yes, because both are stand up guys.

It was Aymen who lent me his tech team and servers
for months to host some of my web sites and he
NEVER charged me for this.

Aymen has been gifted with great intelligence. He
is only around 25 years old, but talks like he has
50 years experience under his belt.

No joke.

Aymen actually called my the day before the Las
Vegas event and went over the highlights of his
presentation with me to get my opinion.

I told him him that thatthere was no way he would
be able to cover everything in one day.

Emmanuel has shared with me insider tips and even
sent me some of their PPC tools that were created
in-house.

So while I can vouch for their credibility, I
*still* can't say anything about the course
itself.

Aymen did indicate to me on the phone call that
PPCF members were not the targeted audience and it
may not be a good fit because of some overlap.

But I *may* have to disagree.

*If* the course itself can provide some insights
into how they can scale up so large, then it may
provide some good value to PPCF members.

The course is not cheap. It will cost around
$2,000. If you have not done anything with PPC
Formula when you bought it, then you will probably
not do anything with Arbitrage Conspiracy either.

Brad Fallen is behind the launch as Aymen and
Emmanuel needed a top guru to promote them because
they were not known to the IM world until this
launch.

I almost feel sorry for Aymen and Emmanuel because
it doesn't seem like they have full control of
this launch.

The Arbitrage Conspiracy launch has gotten too
hypey now with almost all the major gurus
promoting it.

While there were a few people who paid $10,000 to
attend the seminar, all the gurus (maybe 95% of
the group) got in for free.

So if some guru who is promoting this says he/she
paid $10,000 to attend, chances are he/she is full
of s**t.

Now, most of these gurus who went to Las Vegas for
the seminar were dumbstruck by the presentation.

And they should because most don't do PPC.

They sell their own products and have email lists.
So this was all new to them. But they were there
because Brad Fallen wants them to promote the
course.

If this was an event on how some guy was making
$100K a day with PLR info products, then people
would also be freaked out right now about PLR
rights.

It is really that simple.

I heard from other heavy PPC marketers who did
attend the seminar say that they only got a few
nuggets of info, but not a whole lot.

So your response to the Arbitrage Conspiracy
course will really depend on how advanced you are
with PPC.

Aymen and Emmanuel run a very advanced operation
with staff and there is quite a bit of technology
involved.

If you think they live the affiliate lifestyle
where they work for a few hours and than surf the
waves the rest of the day, then you are mistaken.

Both are workhorses and sometimes only sleep a few
hours a night.

It has required A LOT of hard work and dedication
to achieve these staggering results.

There are only a handful of affiliates that I know
that have received these incredible results and
the only other friend I know pushing similar
numbers is Amish Shah of the Hexatrack fame and he
has indicated that he has a team and also uses
advanced technology.

So it is not as simple as buying the course and
you will be making $100K a day in a few weeks.

You have to have a passion for this PPC to CPA
stuff in order to make it work successfully.

The main reason for the Arbitrage Conspiracy
course is for a lead-in to their own CPA network.

So that is my take on this entire launch.

I really have nothing to write about the course
itself because I don't know anything.

Use your own judgement.

Best wishes,

Gauher

mrsrp

honestbizpro

Thanks for that mrsrp, and thanks to Gauher where ever he is...I am sure both sides those that love the AC and those that give it sub par ratings will find something to take from this.

The 13th Warrior

Thats the way I took it.

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The 13th Warrior

The question with any course is , is it realistic, do-able in the real world, and for the "average" user.

AC has yet to answer that either way.

There is one extreme of the scale, where a few can make almost anything work to success, even crap.

Then there are those who either cannot or will make something work.

I feel the truth and the people that should be listened to just a tad more is in the middle of these extremes. It's the folks who lay in the middle and their stories are worth noting more.

Same goes for Yaniks stuff.

If Donald Trump speaks highly of a Real Estate course and believed it can work, or tried it and made it work....,...

1) What is the merit of ONE( 1 ) person who is making it work and,

2) He's a pro,.......most likely ANYTHING in the field of Real Estate, he could make work, so what would be the merit of that?

3) Should'nt a testimonial hit the advertising "copys" $$$$$$$ claim before saying, "see, told you so?"

Unless someone has Autism or other limitations, to say," I, personally, made it work, so the course is legit and anyone should make it work" is just a little myopic.

Say what you want about Jerry West, his APPROACH and Dispensation of information is very sobering and balanced, so far , in what I read of what he has written.

Only few has that type of approach.

Another similar in qualities to him refuses to and stays away from giving medical, financial or legal advice of any kind.

Day in, day out, information of stuff that works and doesn't in the real world as it relates to regular folks, hype-free, not based on some exceptions.

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digabot

Never listen to anyone who is not doing (at a very high level) what you're currently trying to do. If they don't live this business model day in, day out, don't listen to them. Period.

Making $500 a day is easy with tracking, funds and a good AM. $5000 is something else entirely.

PPC-Coach

Only difference between the two is your desire to earn that much, your daily budget and your work ethic. IF you can do $500 per day, $5,000 is just adding a couple more successful campaigns.

buzzword

Key word. And obviously part of the problem here.

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