kenwarrior

Can anyone tell me, are payperclickformula 1.0 strategies still working today?, I know it's a 12-18 months or so old product

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Cisco

Jerry has been doing CPA for over 10 years:

So, I invite you to learn more about CPA from someone who has been doing it for nearly a decade. Me. I don't profess to be making $100k a day, but I am very successful. Sign up for my course by filling out the information below. You will need a basic knowledge of PPC, keyword research, access to a good web designer, a solid web host, and a willingness to take calculated risks.

gt555

MSRP I think this was a little light at the end of the tunnel after the post you found from Chaudhry. I am still glad i did not take AC if I had paid 2000 and I could not get a decent customer support to deal with issues.

Srikanth D

MSRP: Thanks for the information. Seems like Aymen is a talent. But I still dont agree with the price tag especially for the kinda support that they are providing to AC members. Thankfully I didnt buy AC.

512byte

can you help me with my clickbooth account

StevePeterson

The Week 3 Videos have been posted on the member's site.

14 Videos in all...

And posted early.

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Steve@PetersonCopy.com
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ToddieM

Some real world numbers from a newbie taking AC
I've cranked 25 campaigns.
PPC Cost: 333.87
Revenue: 66.95

Net: -216.92

I have, however, gained vast knowledge and have been goaded into taking massive action by the very nature of the course. I also have an edge because of my access to James Schramko's private forum. This fact alone is well worth what I've paid so far.
By week 4 or so, you will see me netting $2000, which will have paid for my course.

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Shift

A few months ago there was a widely publicised course on PPC (under $100).

I bought it mainly because of some of the bonuses, but the course itself covered PPC in a lot of detail and even though I've been doing PPC for over a year I learnt a lot.

So I agree one doesn't need to spend $2000 to learn a great deal about what works in PPC today.

honestbizpro

Hi ToddieM, thanks so much for sharing. Glad you are seeing some light with AC.

If I told someone that I would make them $2000 in a month or so if they gave me $2000, I am not sure how successful that would be.

Of course I know the value of getting real world experience and who knows where you will really end up after completing the entire course, but I wish you great luck my friend.

At least you will not be at a loss and you will have gained some money making lessons to live on and that is very cool.

Shift

I read Jerry's blog post and at first it comes across like he has actually viewed the course when I don't believe he has, and then it becomes clearer that he has an issue with the way the AC was marketed/hyped up.

So I found it strange that he doesn't recommend folks to invest in the AC course when he hasn't even gone through the course himself.

I didn't buy the AC course because I think it's too expensive so I have no idea what value may lie inside it.
I suppose we'll be hearing about some feedback from people who've actually gone through the course further down the line.

SimonHarrison

I believe at the seminar they were explaining what was in the course and Jerry walked out saying it was nothing special and pretty basic.

I'm pretty sure that was it word for word.

kenwarrior

Todd,

can you explain what specifically makes you think that you can turn around from -216 to +2000 in the next two weeks

thanks

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The 13th Warrior

2nd thing would be, are the results or LEARNING PAINS matching what the "copy" of AC said would happen, you know, being EASY , so simple , fast results, getting to $50,000 and $100,000 days and all ?

Some may say people are being hard, but when people spend $2000 of hard earned money, and course creator makes claims in print, people bought based on what was claimed in that "copy", its not unreasonable to expect what the copy said, otherwise, everyone can legally say anything as true as factual.

Either course "should" or "should not" be expected to generally , on average, match claims of copy.

So yeah, you can advertise any claim you want, you are not REALLY expected to deliver on those claims, or even be reasonably close, right?

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Shift

Here is Jerry's blog post : blog dot seorevolution dot com/2008/12/10/dont-buy-the-arbitrage-conspiracy-i-was-there-in-vegas

It's not clear that the presentation at the seminar was what was to be in the AC course.
I wasn't at the seminar and I don't have the AC course but I don't believe in bashing something I don't know about or own.

Quote Jerry West,`My issue is the way the launch was done - during a recession and most of the people signing up will be newbies, who can’t afford to lose the $2k.
I have nothing against Aymen personally, my issue was the launch, how it was misrepresented and how it was just basically injected with hype during a recession.
My issue with the program is not the content, but for how it was promoted.'

Quote from a person on Jerry's blog,`You are so skeptical of this guy Aymen and expect no one to be skeptical of you.
What do you have to offer besides bashing a course you haven’t seen?
What are your motives?
Why would any sane person fly out to Vegas and only stay for 40 minutes and storm out only to start bashing the guy without having seen the whole course or info?
How do you know he’s not making that kind of money?
Why are you sooo mad?
Maybe I should get a refund from Arbitrage, cross my fingers and wait and hope for your course to come out because your such a great guy that you will teach me for free.
If anyone didn’t buy the course because this guy didn’t like the first 40 minutes of a seminar, your an idiot and should consider keeping your day job.'

Quote from someone on Jerry's blog,`I was there in Vegas too and sat through the entire day. The first two hours were weak. Admittedly the first half day was just Ok. The afternoon got way better. How Jerry can say DON’T BUY without seeing the course and without staying for the entire day blows my mind.'

Quote from someone else on Jerry's blog,`I bought the damn thing because I’ve never seen anyone offering to teach CPA.'

Quote from someone else on Jerry's blog,`I don’t understand how so many people can doubt that it will work without actually going through the whole course. '

It appears from reading Jerry's blog post that he's definately not a newbie to CPA marketing because he writes that he does have multiple CPA campaigns.

Anyway we all have our own minds and know how to make them up.

And I hope that it doesn't turn out to be some sort of scam for those who invested $2k into AC.

beksworld

WEEK 3

Heavily promoted SPYFU software.....

jjjt

Yeah, and I can't see any sign of the so-called "AC Discount". The only discount going is the one you get anyway for paying for 12 months upfront.

The AC content for this week is more what I was hoping for.

But, for some reason, having your tutors recommend a product via an affiliate link doesn't sit well with me.

I think I'll be signing up as an affiliate myself and saving myself 45% instead of giving it away to the AC team. I mean we've already paid once (for the course)...

digabot

Yeah, the longest video is an affiliate pitch for SpyFu.

Their discount is in two added months onto your Annual subscription with bonuses of how they actually use it in their business - which seems should be included as part of the material, no?

It's kind of like:

"We make tens of thousands a day. We use some paid tools to help us make those numbers. Our course is $2000 but if you want to learn how we ACTUALLY USE those tools in our business, you'll have to buy them through our affiliate link to get the special training."

They also tell you if you don't want to sign up through their link, it's cool.

You can really see a lot of Gauher's course in this week's material.

Stuff so far is SUPER NOOB

SimonHarrison

Yep, read that some time ago, not relevent to the verbiage I was referring to which was quoted on here by a colleague of Jerry's , somewhere in the depths of this thread.

digabot

Left out a 0, meant $50000.

Talking teams, proprietary tools, private offers, host and post, Media Buys, list management etc. Completely different ballgame.

SimonHarrison

Ground breaking, this is really looking like an expensive hand holding product for newbies who simply haven't seen all the basic tools before. Wonder how many more weeks will go by before people stop saying .. "it's only at week (X) ,give it a chance".

Noah Fleming

How are you guys being provided the training?

Is live webinars or calls? PDF's, Videos etc?

Is there a members forum? What's going on in there?

kenwarrior

what is the full unabridged definition of SUPER NOOB anyone?

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niceweb

I got a refund today. I don't feel the content so far justify the hefty price. And i can't wait to see if it improves.

jjjt

Am I understanding correctly?

If so, it just gets better...

If you buy SpyFu thru their affiliate link, and pay for the year up front, you get the privilege of an added bonus of a "SpyFu Walkthrough video"... but not until 4 or 5 weeks until AFTER you've purchased it?! (once the refund period has expired)

Surely, after 4 or 5 weeks, you would know the tool inside out already?!

Oh, yeah, and exclusively for these people, they promise to do a webinar where they will answer ALL the questions being asked - even non SpyFu questions - THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING *EVERY WEEK*!!

So basically, if financially you're not in a position to pay upfront for the 12 months in advance, you are getting LESS training/assistance than those who can, even though we've all already paid our $2k.

I haven't refunded yet... but this course seems increasingly to "take, take, take" as much as possible, and to "give, give, give" as little as possible...


I'm teatering... I really am teatering...

beksworld

SO, if YOU were a SUPER NOOB again like me......what software would you acquire in your first endeavor. I see rave reviews about SPEED PPC, Affiliate Espionage and, now, SPYFU as being good choices. Not that I know what the flock any of it does.......just humor me and tell me what you would put together as a winning combination. And you'd think someone would have come up with all this in one package anyway, huh? Ya, I know what youre thinkin..... "get off your ass and just dive in" ......

Problem is I have another job and do not have hours upon hours and would rather put on some flippers and THEN dive into the ocean. What flippers do you use?

Im learning real step by step...."do this, dont do that" type stuff in PPC COACH after joining last week, by the way. I gotta say, I literally feel like PUKING throughout the Arbitrage course as I sit there and listen to the generalized garbled " just do this, and you'll be ok, ok? Ok, like, just, what Im saying is, Like, YAH, Im excited for you......and BY THE WAY, MOST of the other members are doing GREAT....and a FEW are still struggling, umm, Ya, ok. So if they can do it, you WILL do it too, trust me. C yu in the next 8 min video guys." " Ok, here we are in our 15th video, it is a REPLAY of LAST WEEKS WEBINAR, just in case you idiots forgot it existed....I mean, for those that didnt get to it."

I know he's trying his best damn it, but its just not good enough for a 2k program so I am tired of feeling like its ok cuz he/they actually mean well.

General crap for 3 whole weeks, now...how can there be any change in the future? This week 3 was supposed to be the meat and potatoes of the whole program according to them. Bidding on domains, and getting CREATIVE with keyword research is what "sets us apart from the rest." Ummm, EVERYONE is making that claim!

Oh, and Im learning real ways to make landing pages at PPC COACH where I joined last week. Thats the only thing keeping my head above water. Does anyone here use Polls, or Review style Wordpress landing pages?

By the way, my attorney cousin says that the wording in his guarantee is referring to the value of the TRAINING...keyword...which officially started on January 5th..

"If for any reason in the first 30 days you don't see the incredible value in this training, simply contact us for a full no questions asked refund!"

Guarantees the (keyword=) ~training~ up to 30 days! Not the 2 weeks leading up to the training.....so how could we NOT start our judgement of training as of January 5th? I was one of the first to join, and you are more than welcome to join my couisin and I in taking this to the next step if refund requests are ignored.........thats if I decide week 4 is just as horrible.
Who knows, maybe it gets better......I would love nothing more than that.

Sorry, I had to vent..

nobodyspecial

I just went through the first video @ CashTactics. I don't know who the creator/narrator is but there was about 10 billion X the content as in the first two weeks of Arbitrage Con. (<--- that's not an abbreviation, it's the TRUE name of the course).

The 21 min video is clear, informative and provides actionable information.

Aymen and the gang should take some lessons from the CashTactics people and get their **** together.

chillpill

Crazy thread. Lots of good view pioints.

CanuckMike

I loved the cash tactics series. It covered all the basic information to get started and even presented a realistic view of what to expect with CPA. Not sure how far you got in the series, but at the end his one campaign he makes does not make money. His PPC costs were to high. He then explains what he is going to do to make it profitable. That is gold in my books.

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kenwarrior

ok I worked it out NOOB = Newbie ha funny!, sorry I'm so slow at times

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digabot

Yes, looking more and more like Garbitrage Con actually.

nobodyspecial

Just the first video so far. Who cares if money was made or not, it is the proper way to instruct.

Speaks volume that better info is available for free than in the paid AC course.

CanuckMike

Not being a member of AC I don't know, but do they not teach you a variety of different business models other then PPC? I am sure there are hundreds of different ways to make money with through CPA.

The cash tactics was only an intro to PPC -> CPA. It was great and can lay a really good foundation for anyone getting started with CPA as it seems PPC is one of the most popular ways to go. I am keeping my fingers crossed they do more case studies, perhaps with different business models even.

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lots of god info here!

ToddieM

HBP:
I guess coming from a guy who bought the "spend almost 200K on med school, and delay your earning power another 5-7 years past college" model, it's not too hard to sell me on a $2000 course that has the POTENTIAL to make many times that back.
There is always investment, both of your money and time, before any pot at the end of the rainbow is realized. I'm sure that based on the level of expertise I read in your posts, you know a little bit about the sowing before the reaping.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. The board will see great things out of me in the near future. Count on it.
I don't say this to brag or boast. I'm just putting my commitment out there full well knowing that egg and other sarcastic comments could end up back in my face.
Such is the nature of risk in life..

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honestbizpro

To ToddieM....I have absolutely no doubts you will be successful one way or another

I had to edit this post, I was posting and didn't realize it would be right after ToddieM and do not want to come off Sarcastically at all.

kenwarrior

Actually there's 3 types of people:

1. Those that make it happen

2. Those that watch it happen

and...

3. Those that say "what happened!"

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The 13th Warrior

Wow, what an honest way to present a course.

Might have to take a look at it.

Wish more courses and their creators were more realistic in this regard.

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The 13th Warrior

On its own, it sounds great.

But also, every slick-backed hair, greasy , snake-oil used car/insurance/investment/times-share salesman has this "comeback" in their tool chest to make you part with your cash, no matter how far from the truth the claims are or how worthless the product.

This "make it happen" is justified "if", after all the years of buying crap that doesn't work and getting the money sucked out your pocket, you get one to work and it gets you to your goals.

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MaskedMarketer

Don't AM's also tell you what's converting well if you have a decent relationship with them?

honestbizpro

That's a fact Masked Marketer, sometimes they want to push a new advertiser..sometimes they may have motivations we may not know about but as long as the offer converts i'm good.

I had one Aff. Mgr calling me every other day....he kept getting me to make a commitment to certain offers (lol I think he hypnotized me) ..but I have to say that really did work to keep me on point and put some nice cash in my pocket. He knew one of my blog niches so he always matched offers to it.

When I would show him similar offers from other networks with better payouts he always found a way to get me to promote his offers instead.

Joschu

Hi, I did step into the CPA myself, though I am an absolute beginner in affiliate marketing and Adwords,...
WEll, everything is explained pretty well and things are laid out clear from those guys, but still there are some things, that keep me a little insecure.
First thing is that the support is working quite slowly. They say that they got overloaded with requests, but for my opinion then they could affort to give a few extra people a job in the supportarea.
Also I still am not familiar enough with the basics, to really partissipate in a way it might be possible.
So I liked the idea of clicking buttons to be part of the affiliate marketing world, but in fact it will only work, if you do already have quite some experience with everything they offer.

God bless,

Joschu

Srikanth D

Any comments about week 3 videos?

James Schramko

Hindsight is a wonderful thing....

I promoted at the time on the basis of first hand results I have gained from the material and also the knowledge that I was committing to three months support.

I didn't mind offering the support because it is a challenge and it has provided the catalyst I needed to get my forum up and running.

It has been a huge effort and well worth it because I am committed to seeing every single student succeed which I am quite confident they will.

My forum members are enjoying tools and daily support and that was the deal.

The way I see it the people who I am working with will be the judge of value provided and I will give them value. Only they can say if I shot myself in the foot or not.

Anyone familiar with me will know I have a history of supplying free support and extras to complement products I promote and that means I am responsible for the outcomes of people who place their trust in me.

I ask this, what are the affiliated Big Gurus doing for their clients and why do people still buy from them?

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SimonHarrison

Not a lot frankly James is the answer to the intial question and misplaced trust (in most cases) in the answer to the latter. Generally speaking with a product like this if I wanted it I would simply purchase it from my own affiliate link, but you are clearly offering value for those who purchased under you and kudos for doing so.

If they are into week 3 now and the best they can offer is a video / affiliate link to SpyFU, it's probably very wise these people did sign up under you so they can have somebody on hand to fill in all the blanks.

Black Hat Cat

Take that 2k and pay someone to tell you where babies come from, lol.

kenwarrior

...it's not the blanks that are the problem, it's the missing chapters!

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shoogg

Refund recieved.

Sent refund request email.
Access to AC site was immediately cut off.
Posted to Warrior Forum.
Received refund notice email.
Money refunded in 4 days.

Goodbye Brad, goodbye Eben, goodbye Yanik, goodbye Joel, goodbye Shawn, goodbye Tellman, and Goodbye Aymen.

The 13th Warrior

Guess they lost a customer and a potentially future customer.

Probably will be very suscpiscious of anything ever coming from them.

No matter how good or bad a product is, for whatever reason, it happens.

Most of the very good products, services and followups I hear get very few refund request....usually they say its something like:

1) the husband ordered the course, but he died before it arrived or something.

2) it was a good course, but it was just not for them

3) constant technical problems, like unable to download product or computer/software incompatibility.

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The 13th Warrior

These guys are experienced.

Maybe they should have already known the stuff below.

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Reasons Why People Usually Don't Buy Again

By: Catherine Franz

There are many psychological reasons why people will buy from the first time and why they do not buy from you again. There are books on many of these reasons. Many of these reasons are totally out of your control.

But what about the ones that you are in control of?

What about the legit reasons that you or your staff cause?

Here are the ten top reasons why people do not buy a second time around.

1. Follow up after the sale was poor perceived quality, nonexistent, or too far after the sale.

2. You didn't ship the product in the time promised. Whether they needed it immediately or it sits in the in-box, when people buy something they don't like waiting. Otherwise, your credibility has been waived. Apologize and offer them an item with perceived value for free.

3. Your product didn't deliver what it promised. Even if your product didn't accomplish what they believe it should have they are not going to think your second product will either.

4. The buyer could not reach you when they had a "after question" sale. You could have added extra lines of communication.

5. Your customer doesn't want to revisit your website because it didn't offer much the first time around. You could have offered more original content or freebies.

6. Your competition is offering free shipping with their product and you aren't. You need to be more aware of how your competition is targeting customers at all times.

7. Your customer forgot your web site address or how to find you. They can't find you easily in the search engines (first or second page lists in their query). You should provide your contact information to your buyers in and on everything.

8. Customer service couldn't solve a problem they had with your product or didn't handle a refund well. Your customer service personnel, and yourself, need clear boundaries on what problems they solve and must pass up the ladder. They should also be trained on what tone, and language to use.

9. You did not up-sell them when they were already in the buying mood.

10. Competition offers a stronger money back guarantee. Always think of better ways to remove the risk from your customers and try to do it better than your competition.

This is a lot to remember, a lot to institute into your business practices, yet every one of these items are just as important as the next.

Remember too, this affects viral marketing as well (word of mouth/referrals).

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More "basic" stuff, I guess, these guys should've practiced.

They make the big money and got the big name and big rep, so maybe they don't need these tactics.

Since they don't, I'll buy their next course on how to withstand and continue business (without ) some of the principles below:


6 WAYS ON HOW TO REDUCE REFUND REQUEST

How To Avoid Refund Requests For Information Products

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Pordoy2

Count me in as one of their lost customers.

I got my refund after sending more or less 40 emails. Can you imagine that!