The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

honestbizpro · 01-20-2009, 01:07 PM

Well, the signups under James are definitely learning.

Some in the AC are definitely learning.

People who requested refund definitely learned something from the experience.

And the people who did not even pull the trigger and purchase, but are glued to this thread every single day are learning!

The 13th Warrior · 01-20-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jimrpips

But I've taken more real practical action to improve my online business in the last two weeks than I have, frankly, in the last year. For that alone, the course is worth the money to me.

Maybe thats why no matter what the product or how old or new a subject or discipline, Coaching , Personal Trainers, Motivational Speakers and Memberships with benefits such as step by step videos, new how-to material based on FAQ, etc., will continue to be money makers for those that can do it or provide it.

Those under James seem to exemplify that example.

A niche that always has a demand, no matter what the subject.

The amount or demand of follow-up usually tells course creator to upsell a NEW product which is one of the above, coaching , etc., especially if people honestly like the course and IT'S NOT percieved to be or have "artificially INDUCED clarity/deficiencies" on purpose.

Or simply just having a bad product from the outset, in which case, honest course creator will provide the above "free" with no strings to make up for the blatant or bumbling deficiencies, made usually in a hurry to make a quick buck.

The 13 th Warrior

bobmcalister · 01-20-2009, 02:04 PM

gotta get into this hubbub....
why not seet up your very own cpa with local vendors on a regional or national basis? I am discussing that very approach with a regional vendor at the moment ...

speaking from a warrior standpoint, and abiding by the terms of our marketing strategies, the 2k iinvestment should return you something like 40k in a very short time....or not.

those classes are the ones that really geet me close to pulling the trigger,as oppossed to all the 7 diollar deals or the 47 dollar case study ..I like the case studies ...tho

later

trapper22250 · 01-20-2009, 02:15 PM

Just wondering about SpyFu.
As everyone on this thread knows, it was recommended in Week 3 of AC. Is it worth getting? Are there alternatives that make more sense? Is something like this essential for CPA?

honestbizpro · 01-20-2009, 02:31 PM

There is a huge void/OPPORTUNITY for someone to fill for less than a $2000 investment, because this is a very hot and lucrative industry.

I will not be surprised to see some very penetrating spinoff services that will do quite well.

Noah Fleming · 01-20-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by honestbizpro

There is a huge void/OPPORTUNITY for someone to fill for less than a $2000 investment, because this is a very hot and lucrative industry.

I will not be surprised to see some very penetrating spinoff services that will do quite well.

I think Gauher is ramping up for a March release.
Why not learn from the guy who taught Aymen...

kenwarrior · 01-20-2009, 04:23 PM

The party is OVER for running CPA campaigns as the AC guys have been doing it!

Thats just my opinion but the evidence is there, and I think the AC guys know it which is why they are moving up the food chain

I've seen/read some of the things Gauher is doing on his web sites to ensure he does not get a google slap and it's a lot of work, and that is the direction google is pushing the industry

The concept of "cranking" out campaigns like it is January 2006 is insane, yet that is what is being taught in the AC class

I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window

CanuckMike · 01-20-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window

This thread is epic. It has a complete life of its own and is tracking...if not already to be the biggest thread on the forum.

It is great to see that people can compare experiences because I think everybody would be feeling differently if they were by themselves without knowing the experience of other members in the program.

veotis · 01-20-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Not a lot frankly James is the answer to the intial question and misplaced trust (in most cases) in the answer to the latter. Generally speaking with a product like this if I wanted it I would simply purchase it from my own affiliate link, but you are clearly offering value for those who purchased under you and kudos for doing so.

If they are into week 3 now and the best they can offer is a video / affiliate link to SpyFU, it's probably very wise these people did sign up under you so they can have somebody on hand to fill in all the blanks.

Week 3 was more than a video about SpyFu. I'll admit, as I have in a previous post, James' bonuses was the deciding factor for me purchasing the course. That was me doing due diligence, something a lot of people need to do when they consider purchasing any high dollar course. I actually like the week to week format they have laid out, as it doesn't overwhelm me since I have a full time job that has me working 6 days a week. And, when all is said and done, I'm confident that I'll get a good ROI on my initial 2k.

veotis · 01-20-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ben565

OK then why don't you show us some proof of how much money you are making with cpa offers then?

I guess this was directed at me, since you posted right after me. It doesn't matter what I make, or am going to make, it all boils down to "What are you going to do?". That's what really matters. I could tell you anything, but does that put money in your pocket or get you closer to your financial goals? I'm not now or ever going to divulge how much I make in a public forum, especially to some faceless person. I will say, though, that I'm getting better each day at this. Now, why don't you show us some proof of anything...

digabot · 01-20-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

The party is OVER for running CPA campaigns as the AC guys have been doing it!

The party is over for direct linking and making any easy money - except for a few who have it mastered through processes and systems.

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I've seen/read some of the things Gauher is doing on his web sites to ensure he does not get a google slap and it's a lot of work, and that is the direction google is pushing the industry

The AC course teaches that same approach, just hasn't gotten there yet. Yes, it's a lot of work. What, did you think this was easy money? Three words - Get a Coder.

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The concept of "cranking" out campaigns like it is January 2006 is insane, yet that is what is being taught in the AC class

No, testing tons of offers to find winners is still necessary to succeed in this biz on a large scale. Again, those who do the work will come out ahead.

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I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic

Yeah, they're pretty bad so far - very general. However, you can go learn the nuts and bolts any number of places.

It's the specifics on scaling and managing traffic and your business to reach the maximum profit potential that you're not going to learn in any great detail for free (maybe useless generalities like "Outsource", "use MSN and Yahoo!" or "Test and tweak"). It is where most people fail and, if delivered in this course, will be worth 100x the price.

Unfortunately, that stuff is at the end.

ToddieM · 01-20-2009, 08:28 PM

I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window

Personally, I rather like his banging on the table. It's like the definitive, "here is my content offered up to the universe" as he hits the enter key. Admittedly, at first, (not unlike Bruce Springseen from WAY back in the day); it grew on me over time. Evidently, other people rather like it as well as he was being goaded into doing more of it on one of the webinar calls.
I've even taken to doing some banging of my own on the enter key when I'm in cranking campaign mode.
It's the sound of success, like a cash register, and I'm loving it!

JimmyPips: I couldn't agree with you more, dude. Spot on.

kenwarrior · 01-20-2009, 09:04 PM

sorry but the AC guys are taking the p***, throwing togther a bunch of 8-15 minute poorely prepared on-the-fly cam recordings with 1-2 page pdf files for $2K

so sweat, I'll be out of here on day 29 of my guarantee

digabot · 01-20-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

sorry but the AC guys are taking the p***, throwing togther a bunch of 8-15 minute poorely prepared on-the-fly cam recordings with 1-2 page pdf files for $2K

so sweat, I'll be out of here on day 29 of my guarantee

I think you're failing to grasp how simple this business model really is. It doesn't take a ton of detailed instruction. It takes work ethic.

Find offers to test.

Test them.

If they make money, optimize and scale by split testing and tracking.

If not, get rid of them.

Do it again. And again. And again.

When you get to your max in terms of working in your biz, build a team and do the above on a larger scale.

Nothing happens if you don't do the work. The keyword research, PPC, Websites & Landing pages, Tracking to the penny and to the keyword, negotiating payouts. You need to do it all. If you don't, you're doomed. Simple as that.

For people looking for the "big secret" about how to make money at this, they're actually giving it to you - as have many man other people online for free. The big secret is actually doing it.

kenwarrior · 01-20-2009, 10:20 PM

If you think this course is good value stick with it, I don't, it's nothing to do with work ethic, the course sucks, end of story - good luck!

Quote:

Originally Posted by digabot

I think you're failing to grasp how simple this business model really is. It doesn't take a ton of detailed instruction. It takes work ethic.

Find offers to test.

Test them.

If they make money, optimize and scale by split testing and tracking.

If not, get rid of them.

Do it again. And again. And again.

When you get to your max in terms of working in your biz, build a team and do the above on a larger scale.

Nothing happens if you don't do the work. The keyword research, PPC, Websites & Landing pages, Tracking to the penny and to the keyword, negotiating payouts. You need to do it all. If you don't, you're doomed. Simple as that.

For people looking for the "big secret" about how to make money at this, they're actually giving it to you - as have many man other people online for free. The big secret is actually doing it.

kenwarrior · 01-20-2009, 11:39 PM

hey, I did not say I was quitting CPA, internet marketing or PPC, far from it, I'm just dumping these guys because I don't like the poor way they are teaching this material, in addition my gut tells me they are not going to deliver the goods and will hold back the real secrets!

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Originally Posted by Stephon "Phon" Rudd

Kenwarrior, I think you've been bitten too much and now you're taking it out on everyone else. Honestly, the course being the best or not is a matter of opinion.

So you're right there.

But what the course teaches is also a working system that really isn't that big a secret to begin with. And it works. It's simple to explain. And it works.

And I'm not just on the outside looking in, I actually make my money doing what they're teaching and so I know.

If you don't want to open up your mind and use it, fine. Keep doing your online marketing the hard way. It's your choice. But don't discredit the enormous value of the system simply because it was too easy for the expert to explain.

Now, we agree on one thing...

The course was simply TOO HIGH. But so is a Lexus. Same car as the Camary but with a better name. Could they have priced it a lot less? Yes and it probably would have made more sense to do so. But the information inside will make you 5-6 figures each month so, either way, the price was worth it.

SteveAC · 01-21-2009, 12:39 AM

Stephon, please PM me what you say they won't be showing us in the AC course. Thanks! i would pm you but not enough posts.

trapper22250 · 01-21-2009, 12:46 AM

I was pm'd re whether I was sticking with AC or not- can't reply privately yet due to my message count. So here goes:

Yes, I plan to stick with it.
First, I have learned a bit and expect that to accelerate esp past week 4.
Second, I have a few profitable campaigns via Google (!) and can see things working well as I have time to tweak.
Third, I'd rather learn great content from lousy teachers than medicore content from great teachers. Ideally, great teachers would teach the great content, but given the chioce, I'll take content over style. These boys are CPA experts; nothing else. That's good enough for me.

My assumption is that the content will continue to deepen. I don't buy the idea that Fallon et al would sacrifice their names for lousy content.

I like the week to week format, starting from the very basics and building.

Finally, I have the personality to play with the details. I forget who flagged this issue, but the more I learn the more true it is: CPA will drive some people nuts. I currently find it refreshing.

Special thanks to James Schramko for his perspective and honesty. Wish I would've signed up through you! Any chance of a buy in??

tptrillion · 01-21-2009, 03:52 AM

Well, i came about this CPA report late last year, though i haven't read it. I feel it's a fantastic way of generating sales and increasing profits. But i honestly think the competition will continue to rise as more and more people get their hands on it. What do you think?

Pordoy2 · 01-21-2009, 03:59 AM

Think of it like a specially trained army fighting against each other. How could a battle be won?

honestbizpro · 01-21-2009, 07:45 AM

This could make a person feel better....or not, about Arbitrage Conspiracy.

My Homeboy Perry Marshall's new Jet Propulsion. Careful, price could cause fainting.

Jet Propulsion - Perry Marshall, Jeff Hughes and Glenn Livingston

alot of this threads comments have to do with PPC, so thought I would mention.

RC7000 · 01-21-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shoogg

Refund recieved.

Sent refund request email.
Access to AC site was immediately cut off.
Posted to Warrior Forum.
Received refund notice email.
Money refunded in 4 days.

Goodbye Brad, goodbye Eben, goodbye Yanik, goodbye Joel, goodbye Shawn, goodbye Tellman, and Goodbye Aymen.

I've got one word for you: congratulations!

digabot · 01-21-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

they are not going to deliver the goods and will hold back the real secrets!

The quintessential newbie mindset. This is the root of so much IM sales copy it's not even funny.

"Learn Secrets The Gurus Will Never Tell You But Have Been Secretly Using to Make Millions Online"

"Our Friends Said We Were Crazy To Reveal These Closely Guarded Techniques That Only Elite Marketers Know About"

There are no secrets, just work.

Eric Graudins · 01-21-2009, 08:29 AM

Well, Aymon's just sent out an email to his Arbitrage Conspiracy list promoting a $1 trial offer for Shaun Casey's list building program.

That's great news. Surely all his support queries must have been answered if he has got the spare time to do this !

templar · 01-21-2009, 09:54 AM

I am finding the best advice is to back to the videos and watch the stuff you think you know, and see if you are applying it all. Most people I talk to are missing a step or two, and when they put the steps together, things start to work.

khairi · 01-21-2009, 10:49 AM

hmm.. just received my refund.

Chris_King · 01-21-2009, 10:55 AM

Yea, The Arbitrage Conspiracy is really basic stuff so far. If the next few modules don't get better, I'm asking for a refund.

So far, PayPerClickFormula from Gauher Chaudry is much better.

Let's step it up Aymen!

Cataclysmic · 01-21-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by digabot

I think you're failing to grasp how simple this business model really is. It doesn't take a ton of detailed instruction. It takes work ethic.

Find offers to test.

Test them.

If they make money, optimize and scale by split testing and tracking.

If not, get rid of them.

Do it again. And again. And again.

When you get to your max in terms of working in your biz, build a team and do the above on a larger scale.

Nothing happens if you don't do the work. The keyword research, PPC, Websites & Landing pages, Tracking to the penny and to the keyword, negotiating payouts. You need to do it all. If you don't, you're doomed. Simple as that.

For people looking for the "big secret" about how to make money at this, they're actually giving it to you - as have many man other people online for free. The big secret is actually doing it.

Well, I've been putting in the work. I've been averaging 8 hours a day since the course began, and following their instructions, and it's looking pretty hopeless so far.

Throwing a pile of random keywords into one ad group and linking directly to the offers like they told us to do the first week definitely doesn't work, so now I'm spending more time on each campaign in the hopes of actually getting some impressions. Clicks are nice, but I'll be happy just with enough impressions for now.

Yesterday I spent the full day starting up 2 campaigns. It took over 4 hours to start each campaign because I was doing detailed keyword research like they've explained, creating many unique targeted ad groups, writing appropriate ads, etc. ...and as of now, one of those two campaigns has got 264 impressions (no clicks) and the other has got 12 impressions (no clicks).

When this sort of thing happens (which is often), I go back an analyze the campaigns and make changes that I think will improve them... but rarely do they improve much.

I'm putting in the work, but I'm having a heck of a time coming anywhere close to using up my $20 daily budget for each campaign. We're supposed to be cranking campaigns to find out which ones generate a profit. I'm cranking out the campaigns, but the vast majority won't generate enough data to let me know whether or not they're profitable, and the very few that DO generate enough data are light-years from profitable.

There's got to be more to this than just work ethic, and I sure hope they tell us soon what the missing piece is. As of now, it's looking like I may be aiming for a 29th day refund also.

Digabot: since you write with authority I'm curious - how successful have you been with CPA?

James Schramko: How are your students doing with CPA? How are you doing with CPA? I may be interested in a buy in to your forum if that's an option. I'd PM you but not enough posts yet. Feel free to respond by PM if you like (I'm pretty sure I can at least receive PMs).

Raemi13 · 01-21-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzword

You would be best served by moving to Yahoo, or MSN, or (heaven forbid!) the second tier PPC markets. You'd be surprised how much traffic you can get for literally pennies per keyword. Yeah Google dominates the market, but you PAY for that convenience! In a direct comparison, what would cost $0.25 for a first page click in Google (not even first PLACE!) you could pay $0.02 for a click in 7search.

So, say you manage to convert 1 in every 5.

If the payout is $1.50 for the lead, you'll spend $1.25 to get the $1.50 on Google.
But, you'll spend $0.10 to get the $1.50 on a 2nd tier PPC engine.

Heck, you can even do as bad as convert 1 in every 100 and STILL MAKE A 50% PROFIT!
There are a lot of 2nd tier PPC engines available. I would suggest using them to perform your "testing" on. When you find a winner that you can convert to 1 in 5, THEN move it to Google and duplicate.

I agree - I've been using mainly Yahoo myself and have been doing anywhere from $15 profit - $8 loss over the past week as it fluctuates and I've spent around $100 total in clicks.

My average CPC is around $.16. Much cheaper than I was paying on Google in the beginning.

Rae

Raemi13 · 01-21-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honestbizpro

This could make a person feel better....or not, about Arbitrage Conspiracy.

My Homeboy Perry Marshall's new Jet Propulsion. Careful, price could cause fainting.

Jet Propulsion

alot of this threads comments have to do with PPC, so thought I would mention.

Causing fainting would be the LEAST of it! OMG!

Raemi13 · 01-21-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Graudins

Well, Aymon's just sent out an email to his Arbitrage Conspiracy list promoting a $1 trial offer for Shaun Casey's list building program.

That's great news. Surely all his support queries must have been answered if he has got the spare time to do this !

Interesting - I don't think I got this e-mail.

tradermike2008 · 01-21-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cataclysmic

Throwing a pile of random keywords into one ad group and linking directly to the offers like they told us to do the first week definitely doesn't work, so now I'm spending more time on each campaign in the hopes of actually getting some impressions. Clicks are nice, but I'll be happy just with enough impressions for now.

this type of "strategy" does not work and it is amazing to me that they told people to do this. You actually want to do the opposite. Find one good broad key word - bid a lot on it to make sure you get a good click through rate. Then you can start to lower your bid. But you need to establish a good ctr rate with your keyword.

Once you get that word working and converting then spread out to more minor keywords.

But stuffing a bunch of words in one ad group is the complete opposite of how you want to start out.

I'd suggest you just take a simple course on using google adwords. That is all you need to know to get started and you can probably find the info for free on warrior forum somewhere.

Trusting these characters is an obvious recipe for disaster and I wouldn't trust people who pimped themselves out to them either to get affiliate commissions. Read this thread and see who is credible and who isn't.

In the end YOU are the only one who can make money for yourself. No guru is going to hold your hand and do it for you. Expecting to pay 2k for a course and then make 100k or something ridiculous a few weeks later is silly.

Google adwords isn't rocket science. You just need to understand what google wants and then give it to them.

What they don't want is a bunch of random keywords stuffed with little relevance to the landing pages stuffed into your account.

That results in google slap and will make all of your other keyword campaigns more expensive.

honestbizpro · 01-21-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Raemi13

Interesting - I don't think I got this e-mail.

Build A Massive Email List for $1??

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:06 AM

From:
"The Arbitrage Conspiracy" aymen@arbitrageconspiracy.com

Hey that's the nature of a marketer I guess....can't put your eggs all in one basket. I am sure he gets offers everyday to affiliate. Hey who wouldn't want to press the send button and make thousand$ with a huge list?

tradermike2008 · 01-21-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by honestbizpro

Build A Massive Email List for $1??

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:06 AM

From:
"The Arbitrage Conspiracy" aymen@arbitrageconspiracy.com

Hey that's the nature of a marketer I guess....can't put your eggs all in one basket. I am sure he gets offers everyday to affiliate. Hey who wouldn't want to press the send button and make thousand$ with a huge list?

Same game - ridiculious claims. Yeah like I"m going to spend one single dollar and make a massive email list.

Get real.

Anyone who falls for them again after the arbitrage hype is an idiot.

honestbizpro · 01-21-2009, 01:35 PM

Hi TraderMike2008,

Do you have any CPA resources that you like and recommend? Do you have any marketing Heros at all?

kenwarrior · 01-21-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Raemi13

Interesting - I don't think I got this e-mail.

just go back to the main AC site, find the click to buy link, you will now get a "membership closed" page, just sign up with a different email to get on the "waiting list" and you will then get these offers - they are not going to anyone who has bough in to AC

kenwarrior · 01-21-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cataclysmic

Well, I've been putting in the work. I've been averaging 8 hours a day since the course began, and following their instructions, and it's looking pretty hopeless so far.

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I appreciate people posting what they done and what the results have been, I've had a similar experiance, I'm no slacker and have put together a number of campaigns based on the "training" to date, they ALL start out looking good then get closed down by google with 24h with CPC going to $1-2

If the AC guys want to be credible they should start a few campaigns using what they have taught and show us the results, to date they have not shown 1 single example of a campaign that they have done, ridiculous, they could surely burn one profitable small campaign for the purposes of the course, as many others do

no sweat, I'm on day 28, you won't be hearing from me on this subject for much longer!

kenwarrior · 01-21-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris_King

Yea, The Arbitrage Conspiracy is really basic stuff so far. If the next few modules don't get better, I'm asking for a refund.

So far, PayPerClickFormula from Gauher Chaudry is much better.

Let's step it up Aymen!

I've been researching this guy Chaudry, I've found more useful and valuable free and relevant info about PPC and CPA from him that all the 1st 3 weeks of AC!

Black Hat Cat · 01-21-2009, 03:40 PM

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Well, of course throwing a bunch of keywords into a google adgroup and seeing what sticks is not going to work. It's just to get the newbies to get on the tricycle and start pedalling and ringing the little bell.

Has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. You don't get newbies(or anyone else for that matter) to "ring the bell" by teaching them something that is guaranteed not to work.

Quote:

AC is a course on how to use a number of existing, well-known business parctices in the world of CPA, tweak them in certain ways, and scale up to huge numbers.

Then maybe they should get to them, and refrain from teaching folks to engage in practices that are well-known not to work, like throwing hundreds/thousands of keywords into an Adgroup. I didn't buy the course, but for $2,000, if they told even one person to do that, they should get an a** whooping over it. And anyone who didn't refund after being told that nonsense has more dollars than sense, which is ok. But don't whine come week 12 when you're still waiting for the meat to get revealed.

honestbizpro · 01-21-2009, 03:50 PM

Hey Jimrpips...."Well, of course throwing a bunch of keywords into a google adgroup and seeing what sticks is not going to work. It's just to get the newbies to get on the tricycle and start pedalling and ringing the little bell."

This is still one of the most "informative", "realitycheck"....and now I must add "funny as hell" threads on the forum.

digabot · 01-21-2009, 05:20 PM

You're going to have a whole new group of upset people when they start getting into how you structure your campaigns, websites, the advanced tools you need to use, etc since the work load and complexity will increase by a factor of 10.

From what I've seen of the entire AC process, folks in this course should be prepared to:

Build Silo'd websites (15 page minimum)

Build Review Sites, Presell Pages, Squeeze Pages

Buy/Use: KeyCompete (or even better, KeywordSpy), Wordze, LPGen, Autoresponder Service, Speed PPC, Adwords Editor

Learn to Track EVERYTHING using Prosper202 or similar

Split Test Landing Page Elements (AB + Multivariate)

Create Autoresponder Sequences

Create Multiple Accounts With Each PPC Engine Using Different Credit Cards and run duplicate campaigns

Hire and Manage Outsourced Staff

Enjoy the easy stuff while it lasts.

For those trying to test iFramed offers on Google: try doing it on a domain that has a proper site around it - Home page, themed silos, 3 articles minimum per silo, about us, contact, privacy, disclaimer, sitemap. Your luck just might change overnight.

Cataclysmic · 01-21-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kenwarrior

I've been researching this guy Chaudry, I've found more useful and valuable free and relevant info about PPC and CPA from him that all the 1st 3 weeks of AC!

Can you please post some links to where you're finding the "useful and valuable free and relevant info"?

I can't find anything except for his blog which has just 2 posts and isn't fully set up yet.

Thanks.

Cataclysmic · 01-21-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by digabot

You're going to have a whole new group of upset people when they start getting into how you structure your campaigns, websites, the advanced tools you need to use, etc since the work load and complexity will increase by a factor of 10.

.......CUT SOME STUFF OUT HERE TO SAVE SPACE........

For those trying to test iFramed offers on Google: try doing it on a domain that has a proper site around it - Home page, themed silos, 3 articles minimum per silo, about us, contact, privacy, disclaimer, sitemap. Your luck just might change overnight.

I'm willing to give it a try, and thanks for the advice.... but I must ask: How do you know this? What is your experience? Do you earn a living through CPA and have you done all this yourself?

Cataclysmic · 01-21-2009, 06:32 PM

Wow - I just sent an email to the two support email addresses I have for AC, and I got 2 responses both within an hour, and each from a different person.

I must say that although their responses were somewhat helpful, I don't think they were thoroughly enough, but I am impressed that I got responses, and that I got them so fast... and I'm pretty sure one of them was from Emmanuel himself, although he didn't sign his name.

nobodyspecial · 01-21-2009, 06:55 PM

To all you people still holding onto the hope of AC, let's do a reality check:

You are 25% of the way through the course and you haven't even learned how to setup a proper PPC campaign.

You are better off taking the $2k and testing with adwords. You will learn more real-world, applicable, apply-able experience.

kenwarrior · 01-21-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cataclysmic

Can you please post some links to where you're finding the "useful and valuable free and relevant info"?

I can't find anything except for his blog which has just 2 posts and isn't fully set up yet.

Thanks.

This is the generic process I run through to research someone:

1. google/yahoo/msn search the name
2. find all web sites
3. sign up for all free newsletters
4. read all the newsletters and find more websites and repeat step 3
5. constantly use whois on website domains to verify ownership
6. use the site:domain command to list all indexed pages in each site
7. read the material on each page
8. if a page is missing try the cache - it's often there

it's really quite amazing what you can find!

hope this helps

digabot · 01-21-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cataclysmic

Can you please post some links to where you're finding the "useful and valuable free and relevant info"?

Type this into Google:

site:coolcashezine.com

tradermike2008 · 01-22-2009, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honestbizpro

Hi TraderMike2008,

Do you have any CPA resources that you like and recommend? Do you have any marketing Heros at all?

Sure there are lots of guys selling good stuff. I like Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, John Reese. Anyone getting started out should get Reese's traffic secrets. Its gives a good overview of IM. Reese said several things that made a big impact on me. One that is key is that you should think of IM as building a business and an asset and not just a tactic to make money.
In other words you should work to build some sort of asset that you could one day sell like a real business. That could be a site or an email list.

Also those that succeed simply do a little more than everyone else and provide a little more for their customers.

Matt Trainer put together a good guide to using google and ppc. I don't know where to get it on the internet, but I can send you my copy of it. Just send me a private message with your email address and I'll email it to you.

honestbizpro · 01-22-2009, 06:52 AM

Hey tradermike2008, I can totally feel you on that. I see so many post putting emphasis on getting approved to CPA networks with no website (which can be done) but a good niche content site is always a valuable asset to have.

Those names you mentioned indeed have a lot in common and are all so different. And none of them are the "hit it and quit it" type. I like that.

and what you say about doing a little more for your customers....that is, and will always be my U.S.P. (unique selling position)

karmapoolcleaner · 01-22-2009, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tradermike2008

Sure there are lots of guys selling good stuff. I like Frank Kern, Jeff Walker, John Reese. Anyone getting started out should get Reese's traffic secrets. Its gives a good overview of IM. Reese said several things that made a big impact on me.

The IM guru circle cross-promoting each other's stuff reminds me of a Playboy cartoon where a bunch of scout boys are sitting around a campfire each with his hand in the pocket of the guy sitting to the right of him ... cross promoting the next guy's stuff.

After my experience with Mike Filsaime's magazine (had to get a new Amex to stop withdrawals even after confirmed cancellation), I've unsubscribed from most of these guys. They simply use the old DM concentric sucker circles to milk money from gullible newbies looking for the magic formula for riches. Get real.

Far better sources of "tried-and-true" information you can find on internetretailer.com (and attend their conferences) -- these are REAL guys running REAL $5-20M businesses not just another launch of crazy-name ****product. Look at Amazon and study how Jeff is making $14.8 billion a year by serving customers, not by "moneysucking" them with another crappy launch for the greedy newbies.

IM may be like religion, you gotta learn to spot the snake-oil salesmen, the false prophets, from the real guys building real multi-million dollar businesses.

Aymen, ain't it.

01-20-2009, 01:07 PM	#1451
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01-20-2009, 02:04 PM	#1453
bobmcalister lease this space War Room Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: moving to Coscar soon..my nose glows around here Posts: 599 Blog Entries: 14 Thanks: 227 Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA gotta get into this hubbub.... why not seet up your very own cpa with local vendors on a regional or national basis? I am discussing that very approach with a regional vendor at the moment ... speaking from a warrior standpoint, and abiding by the terms of our marketing strategies, the 2k iinvestment should return you something like 40k in a very short time....or not. those classes are the ones that really geet me close to pulling the trigger,as oppossed to all the 7 diollar deals or the 47 dollar case study ..I like the case studies ...tho later
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01-20-2009, 02:15 PM	#1454
trapper22250 Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Just wondering about SpyFu. As everyone on this thread knows, it was recommended in Week 3 of AC. Is it worth getting? Are there alternatives that make more sense? Is something like this essential for CPA?
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01-20-2009, 02:31 PM	#1455
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,840 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA There is a huge void/OPPORTUNITY for someone to fill for less than a $2000 investment, because this is a very hot and lucrative industry. I will not be surprised to see some very penetrating spinoff services that will do quite well.
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01-20-2009, 04:23 PM	#1457
kenwarrior Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 399 Thanks: 34 Thanked 78 Times in 45 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA The party is OVER for running CPA campaigns as the AC guys have been doing it! Thats just my opinion but the evidence is there, and I think the AC guys know it which is why they are moving up the food chain I've seen/read some of the things Gauher is doing on his web sites to ensure he does not get a google slap and it's a lot of work, and that is the direction google is pushing the industry The concept of "cranking" out campaigns like it is January 2006 is insane, yet that is what is being taught in the AC class I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window
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01-20-2009, 08:28 PM	#1462
ToddieM That Foot Guy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Posts: 90 Thanks: 32 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I've been watching more of week 3 videos, they are pathetic, the guy can't even be bothered to move the window and zoom in so we can actually read the website he is showing us, and if he sniffs and slams the key board again I think I'll jump out the nearest window Personally, I rather like his banging on the table. It's like the definitive, "here is my content offered up to the universe" as he hits the enter key. Admittedly, at first, (not unlike Bruce Springseen from WAY back in the day); it grew on me over time. Evidently, other people rather like it as well as he was being goaded into doing more of it on one of the webinar calls. I've even taken to doing some banging of my own on the enter key when I'm in cranking campaign mode. It's the sound of success, like a cash register, and I'm loving it! JimmyPips: I couldn't agree with you more, dude. Spot on.
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01-20-2009, 09:04 PM	#1463
kenwarrior Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 399 Thanks: 34 Thanked 78 Times in 45 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA sorry but the AC guys are taking the p***, throwing togther a bunch of 8-15 minute poorely prepared on-the-fly cam recordings with 1-2 page pdf files for $2K so sweat, I'll be out of here on day 29 of my guarantee
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01-21-2009, 12:39 AM	#1467
SteveAC Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 27 Thanks: 5 Thanked 21 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Stephon, please PM me what you say they won't be showing us in the AC course. Thanks! i would pm you but not enough posts.

01-21-2009, 12:46 AM	#1468
trapper22250 Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I was pm'd re whether I was sticking with AC or not- can't reply privately yet due to my message count. So here goes: Yes, I plan to stick with it. First, I have learned a bit and expect that to accelerate esp past week 4. Second, I have a few profitable campaigns via Google (!) and can see things working well as I have time to tweak. Third, I'd rather learn great content from lousy teachers than medicore content from great teachers. Ideally, great teachers would teach the great content, but given the chioce, I'll take content over style. These boys are CPA experts; nothing else. That's good enough for me. My assumption is that the content will continue to deepen. I don't buy the idea that Fallon et al would sacrifice their names for lousy content. I like the week to week format, starting from the very basics and building. Finally, I have the personality to play with the details. I forget who flagged this issue, but the more I learn the more true it is: CPA will drive some people nuts. I currently find it refreshing. Special thanks to James Schramko for his perspective and honesty. Wish I would've signed up through you! Any chance of a buy in??
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01-21-2009, 03:52 AM	#1469
tptrillion Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Well, i came about this CPA report late last year, though i haven't read it. I feel it's a fantastic way of generating sales and increasing profits. But i honestly think the competition will continue to rise as more and more people get their hands on it. What do you think?
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01-21-2009, 03:59 AM	#1470
Pordoy2 Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Think of it like a specially trained army fighting against each other. How could a battle be won?

01-21-2009, 07:45 AM	#1471
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,840 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA This could make a person feel better....or not, about Arbitrage Conspiracy. My Homeboy Perry Marshall's new Jet Propulsion. Careful, price could cause fainting. Jet Propulsion - Perry Marshall, Jeff Hughes and Glenn Livingston alot of this threads comments have to do with PPC, so thought I would mention.
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01-21-2009, 08:29 AM	#1474
Eric Graudins The Internet Bloke War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tasmania Posts: 366 Thanks: 113 Thanked 45 Times in 32 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Well, Aymon's just sent out an email to his Arbitrage Conspiracy list promoting a $1 trial offer for Shaun Casey's list building program. That's great news. Surely all his support queries must have been answered if he has got the spare time to do this !
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01-21-2009, 09:54 AM	#1475
templar Jack Sinclair War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Powell River, BC , Canada. Posts: 338 Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 9 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I am finding the best advice is to back to the videos and watch the stuff you think you know, and see if you are applying it all. Most people I talk to are missing a step or two, and when they put the steps together, things start to work.
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01-21-2009, 10:49 AM	#1476
khairi Billionaire in the making War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 436 Thanks: 49 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA hmm.. just received my refund.
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01-21-2009, 10:55 AM	#1477
Chris_King Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: California, USA. Posts: 59 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Yea, The Arbitrage Conspiracy is really basic stuff so far. If the next few modules don't get better, I'm asking for a refund. So far, PayPerClickFormula from Gauher Chaudry is much better. Let's step it up Aymen!
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01-21-2009, 01:35 PM	#1485
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,840 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Hi TraderMike2008, Do you have any CPA resources that you like and recommend? Do you have any marketing Heros at all?
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01-21-2009, 03:50 PM	#1490
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,840 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Hey Jimrpips...."Well, of course throwing a bunch of keywords into a google adgroup and seeing what sticks is not going to work. It's just to get the newbies to get on the tricycle and start pedalling and ringing the little bell." This is still one of the most "informative", "realitycheck"....and now I must add "funny as hell" threads on the forum.
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01-21-2009, 05:20 PM	#1491
digabot HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 140 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA You're going to have a whole new group of upset people when they start getting into how you structure your campaigns, websites, the advanced tools you need to use, etc since the work load and complexity will increase by a factor of 10. From what I've seen of the entire AC process, folks in this course should be prepared to: Build Silo'd websites (15 page minimum) Build Review Sites, Presell Pages, Squeeze Pages Buy/Use: KeyCompete (or even better, KeywordSpy), Wordze, LPGen, Autoresponder Service, Speed PPC, Adwords Editor Learn to Track EVERYTHING using Prosper202 or similar Split Test Landing Page Elements (AB + Multivariate) Create Autoresponder Sequences Create Multiple Accounts With Each PPC Engine Using Different Credit Cards and run duplicate campaigns Hire and Manage Outsourced Staff Enjoy the easy stuff while it lasts. For those trying to test iFramed offers on Google: try doing it on a domain that has a proper site around it - Home page, themed silos, 3 articles minimum per silo, about us, contact, privacy, disclaimer, sitemap. Your luck just might change overnight.

01-21-2009, 06:32 PM	#1494
Cataclysmic Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 52 Thanks: 3 Thanked 42 Times in 13 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Wow - I just sent an email to the two support email addresses I have for AC, and I got 2 responses both within an hour, and each from a different person. I must say that although their responses were somewhat helpful, I don't think they were thoroughly enough, but I am impressed that I got responses, and that I got them so fast... and I'm pretty sure one of them was from Emmanuel himself, although he didn't sign his name.
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01-21-2009, 06:55 PM	#1495
nobodyspecial HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 206 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA To all you people still holding onto the hope of AC, let's do a reality check: You are 25% of the way through the course and you haven't even learned how to setup a proper PPC campaign. You are better off taking the $2k and testing with adwords. You will learn more real-world, applicable, apply-able experience.

01-22-2009, 06:52 AM	#1499
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,840 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Hey tradermike2008, I can totally feel you on that. I see so many post putting emphasis on getting approved to CPA networks with no website (which can be done) but a good niche content site is always a valuable asset to have. Those names you mentioned indeed have a lot in common and are all so different. And none of them are the "hit it and quit it" type. I like that. and what you say about doing a little more for your customers....that is, and will always be my U.S.P. (unique selling position)
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