The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

pixguy · 12-10-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz

Just because some of us are selfish and wouldn't share successful techniques we learn with others doesn't mean everyone is the same way.

Thankyou.

jrsencio · 12-10-2008, 05:28 PM

I liked the report.. but I don't think a lot of people liked what happened this morning with the tech problems on the page and all those who signed up to get the 15 minute "ahead of everybody else" access waited hours.

jrsencio · 12-10-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by vip

Fact is ... many or most of the 'gurus' who attended this event did not pay the $10k. I've seen more than one of them say this on their personal blogs.

Not that it's a surprise, but for AC to lie about how they 'even had major gurus paying $10k to attend!' is not forthcoming. But, that's marketing these days, right? Unfortunately.

The consensus I've seen among honest guru affiliates of this is this:

1. This is not for the newbie ... 99% of them. Of course, some might make it work, but it's really for the intermediate marketer (ppc experience preferred)

2. For those that are saying this is a joke and it's only 'ppc to cpa' and are ridiculing that ... that's a little short sided. Of course, there's going to be some good content, of course. Or they'll have a ridiculous refund rate!

3. As always ... Taking Action is the #1 way to success. Go buy a $47 ebook and implement that ... you'll start making money, because it's about taking action. If you've never done that ... then maybe this is not for you. You need blinders on to stay focused on whatever you're going to do.

I'm not an affiliate for AC.

Mark

what ever happened to truth in advertising....

actually that's how many products online sell anyway.. its the copy which could be misrepresenting... misleading... and downright deceptive

pixguy · 12-10-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Khurram Zeb

So you make 100k a day and dont have the resources to keep a salespage going.

Cut the BS out already, will ya

This stuff does happen guys... even to multi millionaires.
Was it planned, who knows.. but this stuff does and will happen.

jrsencio · 12-10-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vip

Yep, I agree ... you can always get a refund if it's not as good a expected.

I'm simply pointing out things that cause red flags to any prudent business person.
I think possibly our standards are getting lower and lower ... and that's why hype works so well. He says $50 to $100 per month, but his documentation on the sales letter doesn't even come close.

What happened to the good ole days? Just kidding.

It remains to be seen if this is a great training system. Wasn't it refeshing to see Mark Joyner on the call last night say he'd test it out first before giving his thumbs up?
That is integrity. (I'm not criticizing the others ... he just stood out I thought)

By the way .. the guarantee seems to read ... you get your refund after 3 months ... what do you think Jack?

this is actually a really big money scheme...

sell an expensive product for say 1,000, sell 1,000 of them for example, then you have 1,000,000... put that into a power savings account or some quick interest earner for three months, you already make money... and then start giving back refunds .. if indeed refunds are only released 3 months later

you earn big on that interest... which may very well cover cost of putting product and sales page up...

judyrey · 12-10-2008, 05:55 PM

As I say again and again, together we have power!

jrsencio · 12-10-2008, 05:59 PM

This is a good point about having enough funds to bank roll for a few months.. this question popped up during the call and Aymen did not answer it head on and seemed to dance around it and not answer it directly.

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Originally Posted by naonline

I got this email yesterday. There was no link to a competing product or even a link to the senders website. This was sent from a real guru who's word I trust.

Nick

Stay Away from The Arbitrage Conspiracy - Seriously

This is just a warning to steer far and clear from a promotion
going around the IM industry called The Arbitrage Conspiracy.

I used to be heavily involved in CPA marketing and arbitrage...
This is not an easy business, it used to be extremely profitable
for me. I was making over $200k some months.

I got out of it for a reason ... the reason is simple ... It's too
competitive. There are only a "finite" number of products that work
through this strategy and 10 times out of 10, the products that DO
work already have someone running arbitrage so then you have to
compete with that person which lowers your profit margin.

Multiply that times 3 - 5 people and you're having price wars for
pennies... Not worth the effort anymore. There are tools that you
can use to optimize your performance and locate areas of untapped
opportunity so be prepared for deep research before getting into
arbitrage.

Another issue is that you need a lump sum of cash to finance your
PPC costs for 30 - 60 days before you get paid by the major CPA
networks. Be prepared to have a significant sum of cash on hand to
bankroll your exploration and research. It will likely cost you a
good bit of money to discover areas of opportunity.

NOW ... with this guy releasing The Arbitrage Conspiracy it will
make matters worse. More competition, lower profit margins, etc.
When I was making good money with arbitrage back in 2005 - 2007,
nobody knew what I was doing and I didn't care to tell anyone about
it either. You have to immediately question why a person
"supposedly" making 100k per day would want to ruin it for
themselves for the peanuts they will receive from unsuspecting
IMers. My guess is that they came to the same conclusion I did ...
you could probably make more money selling information about
arbitrage than you could practicing it.

Now multiply that times the number of gurus promoting it and you
could get a fair idea of how quickly the release of this material
will ruin the industry.

This is just a heads up...

Kay Zee · 12-10-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pixguy

Oh Man,
are you guys serious?
That's like saying ..
"Oh look, that guys ferrari on the side of the road just broke down,
he must not have the money to fix it"

This stuff does happen guys... even to multi millionaires.
Was it planned, who knows.. but this stuff does and will happen.

NO, its more like owning a ferrari and not having money to put gas in it

Li Weng · 12-10-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

Queenv,

I also don't think this is for newbies well pointed out.

The way it's marketed sure makes it seem like it is!

James Schramko · 12-10-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RC7000

I'm going to laugh at people that buy this - seriously. You will be SO disappointed. This is not a magic bullet that will make you money. It would take you a few weeks and money before making a profit. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Even Aymen the author said this is not a get rich quick shiny button program. Why do people think it is?

RC7000 · 12-10-2008, 06:56 PM

I know he hasn't pointed out but he also hasn't really made it obvious that it WILL take work and money to bring in a profit. The whole $100,000k a day claim is misleading also.

Whatever - this is the last I comment on this.

James Schramko · 12-10-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Li Weng

The way it's marketed sure makes it seem like it is!

I hope people are sensible about it. Perhaps some people are confusing the "don't need a list or website" as being ok for newbies.

This is really a description of the business model more than a qualification of the marketer. I don't know how they have pitched it and the sale page was down by the time I woke up today. That is unfortunate.

When I was learning PPC and CPA I was working hard on it for a few hours a day just researching, maintaining campaigns and fine tuning calculations.

It will require more effort than a normal method. In general this is a 'more risk more reward' type of business.

In saying that, you can create a path of yor own. Once you know the idea there is nothing stopping you making your own deals with anyone you like.

I have done property, education, automotive, travel and legal deals where I generate traffic for $$$$.

I have NO competition with some of these.

papeter · 12-10-2008, 07:18 PM

$1997 is a lot for me to lay out in one hit (as a newbie) just wondering if there are less pricey alternative programmes out there that can do the same job? If so, I would seriously consider buying it.

My guess it won't be too long for someone with CPA knowledge (and someone who bought their course) to offer and develop an alternative programme to the Arbitrage Conspiracy. It always happens.

papeter

amirla84 · 12-10-2008, 07:19 PM

they talk about making 100k per day and then on their sales page they show a copy of $800 check. now that is embarrassing.

Chris Lockwood · 12-10-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pixguy

I don't think you were asking a logical question but you were giving an opinion based on the tone of your post. If this is not the case then I am wrong.

What is NOT logical about this question? -> "Why would someone making $100,000 a day disclose those secrets for $2000, rather than just keep them private?"

If I had a house worth $200,000 and put it up for sale for $100, wouldn't many people wonder why I would sell so cheap?

Chris Lockwood · 12-10-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by templar

I can see no reason why no-bs folks like Drew Kossoff say they went to the one day event, came home, applied one technique, and doubled their sales for one offer...he's known for laying it on the line and telling it like it is.

There are also people who attended, said it was just basic info, and suggested not buying the course. At least one of them was not offering any other product as an alternative.

Rykel · 12-10-2008, 08:22 PM

Clearly some of these tactics call into question their integrity, especially if this "technical" delay is tactical. In addition, I can't believe, as stated in the sales letter, they're limiting this to 700 people. Just do the math. Even though these gurus who attended Vegas will get $1,000 per sale, if their are 50-60 of them (I don't know number) no way these big names are going to lift a finger to only make a few thousand dollars. Lastly, I'm surprised I've not seen anyone pointing out that in one of the examples in the promo video, he's promoting one of the AcaiBerry diet pills, which is a total scam. Is there no integrity left on the internet?

LeivaMatias · 12-10-2008, 08:42 PM

Its obvious $2k is a over priced product...

They in no doubt will sell a huge amount, because we are only a small amount of people that actually know how things work.

If you think about it... Look at the 100,000's of people coming online to make money, people loosing their jobs , other 100,000s failing marketers....

People will buy into hope hype...

If i was new like I was 1 year ago, and never made a penny and was trying to figure it out I would have most likely purchased this kind of training or fell for it...

After making my first $100k online at the age of 20 and figuring out what works and how it works... its crazy to see people will pay $2k for this type of information...

I also agree, if you are making 100k daily, you must be spending atleast $20k-$30k daily in PPC campaigns, massive JV's etc....

Probably buying large Media space on Myspace,Facebook social networks etc....

EliteAffiliate · 12-10-2008, 09:10 PM

Templar, you had two sales on your affiliate link and it was not credited to you? Or has it been credited in your stats by now? What happens when you promote a program like this, get a few sales, get paid, and then after the 90 days any of those sales result in a refund? Do they send you a bill to get the commission back? I want to promote this, but I'm concerned about possible refunds.

Sure seems like a conspiracy of some sorts here...

Keegahn · 12-10-2008, 10:13 PM

I don't know if this was posted, but here's an e-mail from Eric Rockefeller... it's an obvious pitch for his own product but look what he had to say about AC:

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Hey,

Ok, Arbitrage Conspiracy, Unbelievable numbers yes, I was excited and still am and would give it the thumbs up if you are ready to pay a whopping $2000 for mostly the same kind of information that you can get from Howie and myself for $77 a month.

I would be surprised if you didn't know what I was talking about, but if you do, YES, I was at the $10,000 event (FREE for me and almost everyone else there.)

I'm not bashing them in any way, I actually had dinner with
Emmanuel the main guy that was actually there and about
10 others and grabbed the tab (what a nice guy I am. Aymen his partner was projected via satellite for the event. (I guess, he couldn't make it.)

Was it spectacular jaw dropping stuff? NO!

That's why I didn't sit down and give a fake video testimonial, the honest to god truth is that everyone was complaining at lunch about how basic the information was...

But again I'm not saying they don't know their stuff and they
are awesome guys, However if you don't have the 2 grand it
costs to get in save it and join up with us and we'll teach you
everything you need to be a super affiliate.

This is just my honest take from being there and not being
able to view the final product. Again I'm not bashing these
guys or their product at all...

Take Care,
EROCK

RC7000 · 12-10-2008, 10:14 PM

Just got this from JW.

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Dear whatever,

I was going to keep quiet about this, but with all the emails going out about "The Arbitrage Conspiracy" ... and how their "cart" is opening today at 3pm, well, it is time that someone who was actually there talks honestly about the program.

I will be giving my FULL review in my FREE newsletter later this week, so make sure you are signed up. You can go to:

http://www.webmarketingnow.com/ and the sign-up box is in the upper right hand corner.

Here is the brief review:

DON'T BUY THE COURSE!!!

Don't get sucked into the hype. It isn't real. I was there and I walked out after 40 minutes because the material was very basic. I even talked to many people (other solid CPA marketers) who stayed for the entire presentation and they said there wasn't anything new, it was all recycled material from past systems.

If you want to really know how the CPA (Cost Per Action) market works and the DARK side of it, I will be coming out with a free course by the end of the year. No strings attached. I feel that passionate about this. This is another "launch" that over 90% of the people who sign-up will fail because it does not meet the expectations the marketing message created.

CPA is a tough business and you can lose your shirt if you don't fully understand it.

Protect yourself. Bypass this offer and save yourself not only money, but a mountain of frustration.

Best Regards,

Jerry West
http://www.webmarketingnow.com/
Web Marketing Now

BobbyWalker · 12-10-2008, 10:33 PM

Guys...

This course is for intermediate to advanced marketers and anyone who already does CPA...not to mention it has a $1700 price tag :~)

So not sure how many folks from this forum are going to be standing
in line for that...

By the way, did you notice on the call how some people were talking about how they would buy the course and the forward it to the other people...lol

You'd think they would have someone address that during the call, but they never did...

I guess because it's a long course drawn out over several weeks...

Still doesn't guarantee you'll make money...

Most marketers have no idea how much goes into running a super successful CPA campaign or how disciplined you have to be to sit
there day after day doing nothing but tweaking...

You really have to love doing or it's just not going to work for you...

Now Keith Baxter has a blackhat CPA course coming out...$5000 but he's really one of the few people that actually shows you all the stuff that everyone else is scared to...

Really great guy..you'd never guess he's making millions!

See ya,

Bobby

Ebbi · 12-10-2008, 10:44 PM

I was so feed up with all this hype I did some research on Aymen
the creator of Arbitrage Conspiracy.

I'm just sharing and not stating anything but I believe many of you
will find this to be interesting!

Truth about Aymen? Arbitrage Conspiracy -- What is Going on!

Ebbi

spressnell · 12-10-2008, 10:48 PM

Aymen does seem real and down to earth and the report is interesting.

Shirley

RC7000 · 12-10-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebbi

I was so feed up with all this hype I did some research on Aymen
the creator of Arbitrage Conspiracy.

I'm just sharing and not stating anything but I believe many of you
will find this to be interesting!

Truth about Aymen? Arbitrage Conspiracy -- What is Going on!

Ebbi

This is brilliant mate. Can learn a bit from the DP link you posted. Good work.

Ebbi · 12-10-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RC7000

This is brilliant mate. Can learn a bit from the DP link you posted. Good work.

I'm glad you liked it!
This is just something I had to share with fellow warrior
members before the launch actually took place!

The hype has just been TOO much so I knew something
wasn't right!

You don't even have to take my word for it! Just read what
Jerry wrote and has worked with Brad Fallon !
Ebbi

RC7000 · 12-10-2008, 11:45 PM

HAHA he has taken down his posts!
Digital Point Forums

vip · 12-10-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebbi

I'm glad you liked it!
This is just something I had to share with fellow warrior
members before the launch actually took place!

The hype has just been TOO much so I knew something
wasn't right!

You don't even have to take my word for it! Just read what
Jerry wrote and has worked with Brad Fallon !
Ebbi

Nice job Ebbi ... I mentioned before my 'red flag meter' was beeping.

I suspect your motivation and anyone who is warning others motivation is to not see people lose their hard earned money.

There's always the possibility for getting a refund ... assuming the company is around.

It's impossible for me to state 100% this is a bad deal .... but when there's several red flags:

1. Ebbi's findings above
2. Several 'gurus' who attended the event have warned to stay away
3. Aymen's photos of his checks don't come close to adding up to $50-100k per day ... not even close.
4. Botch launch ... yes it happens, but it's got to be factored in with the other red flags. With that kind of supposed money ... of course you're going to be prepared to handle the load.
5. Hardly any good solid meaty info before the launch ... the real credible guys -- for the most part -- give true nuggets of info. Aymen argueably didn't really give too much info.

Again, I'm not making a total judgement on this ... but just look at the red flags that are coming up ... sometimes you've gotta go with your gut ... NOT

Fear Of Loss --- which much of this launch is predicated on.

Take action in anything ... just move forward.

Ebbi · 12-10-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RC7000

HAHA he has taken down his posts!
Digital Point Forums

No I don't think so!
He might try to do so in the future but then he would have to
contact the owner of DP. I think the searchid=15148003 just
isn't valid any more!

Try this one instead Digital Point Forums - View Profile: wasabi8899

This is his member id!

Ebbi

Chris Lockwood · 12-11-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteAffiliate

What happens when you promote a program like this, get a few sales, get paid, and then after the 90 days any of those sales result in a refund? Do they send you a bill to get the commission back? I want to promote this, but I'm concerned about possible refunds.

Usually commissions aren't paid until the refund period ends, so no worries about your scenario.

I haven't heard of an affiliate being billed for a refund like that- it's probably happened to someone somewhere, but if they don't wait til the refund period ends, the vendor would generally eat the refund costs himself and subtract it from any future sales by that affiliate.

Then there are the few vendors who solve this problem but just not paying the affiliates anything... ever.

I have no idea what the policies are for this product- these are just how things generally work.

SimonHarrison · 12-11-2008, 02:23 AM

Still staggers me that an outfit of this size can't manage a product launch, I mean seriously guys, you have very few issues, reliable hosting , a concrete cart/payment processor and permissions in the members area for the packages the purchaser chooses in the payment flow.

The former can be solved without question by stumping up proper money and being hosted by Amazon and the latter can be easily tested.

It's a joke, they can't manage to keep a website up, so unprofessional.

SimonHarrison · 12-11-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Michelle Green

I read the report last night, and did you catch it when he says he was teaching all this because he recently started his own CPA network? He's making $100K a day and he said he is willing to reveal his secrets in order to help us promote programs on his affiliate network in the future so, it's obvious where the real money is.

If that was honestly the case then he would have set this up so you become part of his network on purchase and he would give away his "secrets" to ensure you use his offers.

It's just baloney , transparent baloney.

vic_msn · 12-11-2008, 02:52 AM

may be this a marketing tactic to keep us waiting and yearn for the product

James Schramko · 12-11-2008, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by vic_msn

may be this a marketing tactic to keep us waiting and yearn for the product

Maybe something else happened.

Louis Raven · 12-11-2008, 03:05 AM

Just to let you know where I stand, I fully believe by investing in this product you'll double (if not triple) your income IF you're already knowledgeable in the PPC industry.

That being said, I got an email last night from some who trained Aymen. Here's a few quotes (in my own words) from that very email:

"PPC expert who attended the 10.000 seminar said they got a few nuggets but nothing revolutionary"

"The training is basic 101 stuff"

"The gurus promoting it haven't seen the finished civilian product so don't rely on their word."

"Aymen IS a nice guy but don't be fooled by the gurus telling you that's the reason why he's revealing this info. The main goal is to get you on their new CPA network about to be launched"

Now I still stand by what I feel, and that is the product will change lives for the best but want you to have both sides of the story. And NO I'm not an affiliate.

Louis

SimonHarrison · 12-11-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vic_msn

may be this a marketing tactic to keep us waiting and yearn for the product

It's backfiring.. badly.

tradermike2008 · 12-11-2008, 06:26 AM

I'ts backfiring on us - but we probably weren't going to buy anyway. The real audience isn't the people in the warrior forum but the newbies enticed by 50k days and get rich hype. They probably don't go to this forum and see it down and believe that they are getting overloaded with orders so are now even more desperate to buy then ever before. Stompernet guys - who are behind this launch - did the same thing during the net effect launch. They delayed it due to technical issues for a full day or two. Looks to me like they are using the same tactic here.

templar · 12-11-2008, 06:33 AM

One thing that really surprised me when I ordered was the fact there was:

No upsell offer
No forced continuity
No downsells...

it simply said "Thank you" and took me back to the salespage.

In this day and age of hidden fees and surprises, it was very refreshing to see the sticker price to be the final selling price.

I don't know if aymen just learned this stuff in november, but if it is anywhere near what is being claimed, I will be tickled pink.

SimonHarrison · 12-11-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by templar

One thing that really surprised me when I ordered was the fact there was:

No upsell offer
No forced continuity
No downsells...

it simply said "Thank you" and took me back to the salespage.

That will score brownie points with me.

EliteAffiliate · 12-11-2008, 09:20 AM

I'm getting more disappointed the more that is getting revealed. I had high hopes when I first heard of it.

I guess it really is for newbies since most of the info is so "basic" and heard before. For newbies it would be all new. I just hope he really does show a process to go step by step and actually shows the solid data that he has paid so much to test and tweak. Or else what is the point. If they just tell you to test this and that yourself then you are going to be spending all that money on testing it all, as you would without the system. The value of the system would be if he shares his results of his tests to save you money on what works the best. These kinds of headlines pulled in 40% higher conversions, and testing with this word added to the headline improved conversions 400% etc. etc. I don't need something just to tell me to find good looking offers, tell me what keyword software to use, tell me to test, tweak, and then scale. Those are all a given.

I already really do not like that it is stretched out so slowly over 12 weeks. So, what in the meantime you are not making much money because you don't know the total steps not revealed until week 8 or whatever it is. Why so slow. I'm sure I could digest it all in a couple of weeks and see the full picture all at once. Then the rest of the time should be devoted to personal coaching and tweaking what is taught to get around the kinks and questions and issues that come up. Not waiting 12 weeks just for the full system and model to be revealed. Seems like just another marketing gimmick to keep people from wanting to get a refund earlier if it is no good - because maybe something worth it will be revealed. Kind of like a bad movie that you keep watching because you are hoping it will get better, but then it never does and you kick yourself for wasting 2 hours of your life on it. Oh, and the "tech problems" are totally on purpose. I thought it was pretty curious for how much I've been getting bombarded with this launch from every guru out there who's list I'm on, that I did not receive even ONE single email yesterday talking about the launch from them. They didn't know that when 12pm came, it would all of a sudden NOT go live and not be working for some reason, OR did they? If they didn't know, they would of mailed to their list to make sure to get it at launch, and then resent an email after the tech problems talking about it being relaunched tomorrow instead. Instead it was completely quiet... kind of like some conspiracy! I'll bet anything today or whenever it does finally ever launch, that they will all be sending their emails out prior to the 12pm launch time they know is actually going to happen this time!

I was really hoping for some actual proof of the claims of the $50k to $100k a day NET profits. At least just $50k on the low end. If he's even done that in even just 1 day ever only, he would have proof to show of that. The screenshots and pictures he shows doesn't add up does it. He shows some screenshots of a $30k day in one network, but what about the rest of the week? If he is getting paid weekly, then that would be around a $200k check if he averaged $30k daily. And considering that he claims it is Net and that his ROI is 2-3 hundred %, that means that his gross should be more around $100k-300k a day. The checks he gets and commissions shown in the screenshots are obviously gross, as the expenses get paid out seperately. So, why are the checks he shows so small? They are at a min. reflective of 1 weeks worth of gross commissions. With checks of $1k, 3k etc. for a week, that is not that high. Even spreading it out, there cannot be that many CPA networks to work with. Maybe he has 10-15 networks at most. Where are the big checks or at least a series of screenshots from 1 day across the different networks that actually add up to $50 - 300k GROSS?

digabot · 12-11-2008, 09:46 AM

From Attendee:

"It’s funny though how a bunch of my guru friends were sitting down and giving glowing testimonials when we all were asking when they were gonna get to the mind blowing stuff we were there for. Obviously, they were doing my pal brad a favor and they know they’ll make a killing today when it goes live."

Rick67 · 12-11-2008, 09:53 AM

I have no opinion or experience with this particular WSO.

It is very interesting to see people who also have not seen what is actually included in this product nitpick it to pieces.

Some people are successful, some are not. A lot of it has to do with a person's mindset.

If you go looking for the negatives without knowing the facts for sure, you basically are closing yourself to a possible opportunity.

For example, if the so called technical problems are real or just a sales gimmick...why should you care? This is not the issue. This issue is whether or not they have something of value to offer. Techincal problems real or not are not proof one way or another.

Those who keep their minds neutral and investigate for themselves are the only ones who will know for sure. And if the opportunity is there to make money and to learn new things, they will benefit. If it is not, they will know and their money is returned per the guarantee.

In the meantime, the naysayers are sitting by the sidelines complaining they don't like this, don't like that and excluding themselves from ever learning something of value.

I am not being critical. I am just pointing out that sometimes one needs to look at their mindset and figure out if they are getting in thier own way based on feelings, rumors or guesses.

I hope this helps.

Rick

SEORundown · 12-11-2008, 10:05 AM

There are Better Programs Out There. Besides if the Program is ONLY $2000.00 but you can make $100,000.00 then it must be garbage. The Creators behind his should be shot for scamming people.

Rick67 · 12-11-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SEORundown

It isn ’t real. I was there and I walked out after 40 minutes because the material was very basic. I even talked to many people (other solid CPA marketers) who stayed for the entire presentation and they said there wasn’t anything new, it was all recycled material from past systems.

There are Better Programs Out There. Besides if the Program is ONLY $2000.00 but you can make $100,000.00 then it must be garbage. The Creators behind his should be shot for scamming people.

I understand. Then you have investgated for yourself which is what everyone should do.

Basing opinion on website problems however, is not really a valid investigation. The promotors of this WSO are hopefully CPA experts, and probably not technical experts on website creation and maintenance. They probably out sourced this and being a former programmer myself, I know technical problems can happen to the best of us.

tradermike2008 · 12-11-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick67

I understand. Then you have investgated for yourself which is what everyone should do.

Basing opinion on website problems however, is not really a valid investigation. The promotors of this WSO are hopefully CPA experts, and probably not technical experts on website creation and maintenance. They probably out sourced this and being a former programmer myself, I know technical problems can happen to the best of us.

Stompernet is behind this launch and when they did their last launch they did this same exact thing - put up a sales page saying it was delayed a day. Either they are totally incompetent and couldn't learn from that experience or are using this as a sales tactic. Which I think if they are doing is unethical. Combine that with the hype around this and what other people who were at the actual event itself in person are saying about it and it is hard not to see this as a disspointment when it comes to them and the people who appeared in the testimonials. I bought products from some of these people and will probably do so again in the future, but it is still dissapointing.

Yesteray I had an affiliate link that took me to a working sales page while they were having "technical difficulties." That page worked so that makes me think that it is just a sales trick. One I think is a bad one to use, because I think it just gives people a bad impression of buying things on the internet so hurts other people trying to sell things on the internet themselves.

SEORundown · 12-11-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick67

I understand. Then you have investgated for yourself which is what everyone should do.

Basing opinion on website problems however, is not really a valid investigation. The promotors of this WSO are hopefully CPA experts, and probably not technical experts on website creation and maintenance. They probably out sourced this and being a former programmer myself, I know technical problems can happen to the best of us.

The Actual Launch of the "the so called Conspiracy Arbitrage" was delayed due to technical difficulties.... BS! There Affiliate links are active and you can sign up now. They say you can make a $100,000.00 dollars a day. They show you that they did.... However do they show you what they spent in PPC cost?

SEORundown · 12-11-2008, 10:39 AM

I do not think I will be Signing Up for this product because it is all lies!

internetmarketer99 · 12-11-2008, 10:40 AM

You can assume this was part of the deal for the JV's, a commitment that they would have a day to milk their lists before the direct page was active.

Mark

templar · 12-11-2008, 10:51 AM

I don't think so...Shawn Casey was not pleased at all...swapping links, and all sorts of "make it work!" demands.

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Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

You can assume this was part of the deal for the JV's, a commitment that they would have a day to milk their lists before the direct page was active.

Mark

internetmarketer99 · 12-11-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by templar

I don't think so...Shawn Casey was not pleased at all...swapping links, and all sorts of "make it work!" demands.

Gimme a break.

First of all, your postings have been nothing but self-serving.

Second of all, promoting your signature link in posts, which you've done directly and indirectly over and over, is bad form and at least used to be a violation of forum rules.

You're objectivity is obviously non-existent since you are promoting the product in question. Anything you've posted is compromised by your self-interest.

Mark

12-10-2008, 05:28 PM	#252
jrsencio HyperActive Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 273 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I liked the report.. but I don't think a lot of people liked what happened this morning with the tech problems on the page and all those who signed up to get the 15 minute "ahead of everybody else" access waited hours.

12-10-2008, 05:55 PM	#256
judyrey Judy Rey Wasserman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NY Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA As I say again and again, together we have power!
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12-10-2008, 06:56 PM	#261
RC7000 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 142 Thanks: 11 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I know he hasn't pointed out but he also hasn't really made it obvious that it WILL take work and money to bring in a profit. The whole $100,000k a day claim is misleading also. Whatever - this is the last I comment on this.

12-10-2008, 07:18 PM	#263
papeter HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 222 Thanks: 117 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA $1997 is a lot for me to lay out in one hit (as a newbie) just wondering if there are less pricey alternative programmes out there that can do the same job? If so, I would seriously consider buying it. My guess it won't be too long for someone with CPA knowledge (and someone who bought their course) to offer and develop an alternative programme to the Arbitrage Conspiracy. It always happens. papeter

12-10-2008, 07:19 PM	#264
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 38 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA they talk about making 100k per day and then on their sales page they show a copy of $800 check. now that is embarrassing.

12-10-2008, 08:22 PM	#267
Rykel Rykel Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Clearly some of these tactics call into question their integrity, especially if this "technical" delay is tactical. In addition, I can't believe, as stated in the sales letter, they're limiting this to 700 people. Just do the math. Even though these gurus who attended Vegas will get $1,000 per sale, if their are 50-60 of them (I don't know number) no way these big names are going to lift a finger to only make a few thousand dollars. Lastly, I'm surprised I've not seen anyone pointing out that in one of the examples in the promo video, he's promoting one of the AcaiBerry diet pills, which is a total scam. Is there no integrity left on the internet?

12-10-2008, 08:42 PM	#268
LeivaMatias HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 150 Thanks: 0 Thanked 37 Times in 11 Posts Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Its obvious $2k is a over priced product... They in no doubt will sell a huge amount, because we are only a small amount of people that actually know how things work. If you think about it... Look at the 100,000's of people coming online to make money, people loosing their jobs , other 100,000s failing marketers.... People will buy into hope hype... If i was new like I was 1 year ago, and never made a penny and was trying to figure it out I would have most likely purchased this kind of training or fell for it... After making my first $100k online at the age of 20 and figuring out what works and how it works... its crazy to see people will pay $2k for this type of information... I also agree, if you are making 100k daily, you must be spending atleast $20k-$30k daily in PPC campaigns, massive JV's etc.... Probably buying large Media space on Myspace,Facebook social networks etc....

12-10-2008, 09:10 PM	#269
EliteAffiliate Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Templar, you had two sales on your affiliate link and it was not credited to you? Or has it been credited in your stats by now? What happens when you promote a program like this, get a few sales, get paid, and then after the 90 days any of those sales result in a refund? Do they send you a bill to get the commission back? I want to promote this, but I'm concerned about possible refunds. Sure seems like a conspiracy of some sorts here...

12-10-2008, 10:33 PM	#272
BobbyWalker HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: McKinney TX. Posts: 425 Thanks: 5 Thanked 55 Times in 36 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Guys... This course is for intermediate to advanced marketers and anyone who already does CPA...not to mention it has a $1700 price tag :~) So not sure how many folks from this forum are going to be standing in line for that... By the way, did you notice on the call how some people were talking about how they would buy the course and the forward it to the other people...lol You'd think they would have someone address that during the call, but they never did... I guess because it's a long course drawn out over several weeks... Still doesn't guarantee you'll make money... Most marketers have no idea how much goes into running a super successful CPA campaign or how disciplined you have to be to sit there day after day doing nothing but tweaking... You really have to love doing or it's just not going to work for you... Now Keith Baxter has a blackhat CPA course coming out...$5000 but he's really one of the few people that actually shows you all the stuff that everyone else is scared to... Really great guy..you'd never guess he's making millions! See ya, Bobby

12-10-2008, 10:44 PM	#273
Ebbi HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Here! Posts: 412 Thanks: 41 Thanked 209 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I was so feed up with all this hype I did some research on Aymen the creator of Arbitrage Conspiracy. I'm just sharing and not stating anything but I believe many of you will find this to be interesting! Truth about Aymen? Arbitrage Conspiracy -- What is Going on! Ebbi
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12-10-2008, 10:48 PM	#274
spressnell HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 104 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Aymen does seem real and down to earth and the report is interesting. Shirley
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12-10-2008, 11:45 PM	#277
RC7000 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 142 Thanks: 11 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA HAHA he has taken down his posts! Digital Point Forums

12-11-2008, 02:23 AM	#281
SimonHarrison Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 2,066 Thanks: 246 Thanked 446 Times in 266 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Still staggers me that an outfit of this size can't manage a product launch, I mean seriously guys, you have very few issues, reliable hosting , a concrete cart/payment processor and permissions in the members area for the packages the purchaser chooses in the payment flow. The former can be solved without question by stumping up proper money and being hosted by Amazon and the latter can be easily tested. It's a joke, they can't manage to keep a website up, so unprofessional.

12-11-2008, 02:52 AM	#283
vic_msn HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: India. Posts: 150 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA may be this a marketing tactic to keep us waiting and yearn for the product
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12-11-2008, 03:05 AM	#285
Louis Raven Elite Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: United Kingdom. Posts: 2,876 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 211 Thanked 64 Times in 49 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Just to let you know where I stand, I fully believe by investing in this product you'll double (if not triple) your income IF you're already knowledgeable in the PPC industry. That being said, I got an email last night from some who trained Aymen. Here's a few quotes (in my own words) from that very email: *"PPC expert who attended the 10.000 seminar said they got a few nuggets but nothing revolutionary"* *"The training is basic 101 stuff"* *"The gurus promoting it haven't seen the finished civilian product so don't rely on their word."* *"Aymen IS a nice guy but don't be fooled by the gurus telling you that's the reason why he's revealing this info. The main goal is to get you on their new CPA network about to be launched"* Now I still stand by what I feel, and that is the product will change lives for the best but want you to have both sides of the story. And NO I'm not an affiliate. Louis
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12-11-2008, 06:26 AM	#287
tradermike2008 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 191 Thanks: 23 Thanked 58 Times in 20 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I'ts backfiring on us - but we probably weren't going to buy anyway. The real audience isn't the people in the warrior forum but the newbies enticed by 50k days and get rich hype. They probably don't go to this forum and see it down and believe that they are getting overloaded with orders so are now even more desperate to buy then ever before. Stompernet guys - who are behind this launch - did the same thing during the net effect launch. They delayed it due to technical issues for a full day or two. Looks to me like they are using the same tactic here.
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12-11-2008, 06:33 AM	#288
templar Jack Sinclair War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Powell River, BC , Canada. Posts: 338 Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 9 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA One thing that really surprised me when I ordered was the fact there was: No upsell offer No forced continuity No downsells... it simply said "Thank you" and took me back to the salespage. In this day and age of hidden fees and surprises, it was very refreshing to see the sticker price to be the final selling price. I don't know if aymen just learned this stuff in november, but if it is anywhere near what is being claimed, I will be tickled pink.
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12-11-2008, 09:20 AM	#290
EliteAffiliate Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I'm getting more disappointed the more that is getting revealed. I had high hopes when I first heard of it. I guess it really is for newbies since most of the info is so "basic" and heard before. For newbies it would be all new. I just hope he really does show a process to go step by step and actually shows the solid data that he has paid so much to test and tweak. Or else what is the point. If they just tell you to test this and that yourself then you are going to be spending all that money on testing it all, as you would without the system. The value of the system would be if he shares his results of his tests to save you money on what works the best. These kinds of headlines pulled in 40% higher conversions, and testing with this word added to the headline improved conversions 400% etc. etc. I don't need something just to tell me to find good looking offers, tell me what keyword software to use, tell me to test, tweak, and then scale. Those are all a given. I already really do not like that it is stretched out so slowly over 12 weeks. So, what in the meantime you are not making much money because you don't know the total steps not revealed until week 8 or whatever it is. Why so slow. I'm sure I could digest it all in a couple of weeks and see the full picture all at once. Then the rest of the time should be devoted to personal coaching and tweaking what is taught to get around the kinks and questions and issues that come up. Not waiting 12 weeks just for the full system and model to be revealed. Seems like just another marketing gimmick to keep people from wanting to get a refund earlier if it is no good - because maybe something worth it will be revealed. Kind of like a bad movie that you keep watching because you are hoping it will get better, but then it never does and you kick yourself for wasting 2 hours of your life on it. Oh, and the "tech problems" are totally on purpose. I thought it was pretty curious for how much I've been getting bombarded with this launch from every guru out there who's list I'm on, that I did not receive even ONE single email yesterday talking about the launch from them. They didn't know that when 12pm came, it would all of a sudden NOT go live and not be working for some reason, OR did they? If they didn't know, they would of mailed to their list to make sure to get it at launch, and then resent an email after the tech problems talking about it being relaunched tomorrow instead. Instead it was completely quiet... kind of like some conspiracy! I'll bet anything today or whenever it does finally ever launch, that they will all be sending their emails out prior to the 12pm launch time they know is actually going to happen this time! I was really hoping for some actual proof of the claims of the $50k to $100k a day NET profits. At least just $50k on the low end. If he's even done that in even just 1 day ever only, he would have proof to show of that. The screenshots and pictures he shows doesn't add up does it. He shows some screenshots of a $30k day in one network, but what about the rest of the week? If he is getting paid weekly, then that would be around a $200k check if he averaged $30k daily. And considering that he claims it is Net and that his ROI is 2-3 hundred %, that means that his gross should be more around $100k-300k a day. The checks he gets and commissions shown in the screenshots are obviously gross, as the expenses get paid out seperately. So, why are the checks he shows so small? They are at a min. reflective of 1 weeks worth of gross commissions. With checks of $1k, 3k etc. for a week, that is not that high. Even spreading it out, there cannot be that many CPA networks to work with. Maybe he has 10-15 networks at most. Where are the big checks or at least a series of screenshots from 1 day across the different networks that actually add up to $50 - 300k GROSS?

12-11-2008, 09:46 AM	#291
digabot HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 140 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 19 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA From Attendee: "It’s funny though how a bunch of my guru friends were sitting down and giving glowing testimonials when we all were asking when they were gonna get to the mind blowing stuff we were there for. Obviously, they were doing my pal brad a favor and they know they’ll make a killing today when it goes live."

12-11-2008, 09:53 AM	#292
Rick67 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 54 Thanks: 14 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I have no opinion or experience with this particular WSO. It is very interesting to see people who also have not seen what is actually included in this product nitpick it to pieces. Some people are successful, some are not. A lot of it has to do with a person's mindset. If you go looking for the negatives without knowing the facts for sure, you basically are closing yourself to a possible opportunity. For example, if the so called technical problems are real or just a sales gimmick...why should you care? This is not the issue. This issue is whether or not they have something of value to offer. Techincal problems real or not are not proof one way or another. Those who keep their minds neutral and investigate for themselves are the only ones who will know for sure. And if the opportunity is there to make money and to learn new things, they will benefit. If it is not, they will know and their money is returned per the guarantee. In the meantime, the naysayers are sitting by the sidelines complaining they don't like this, don't like that and excluding themselves from ever learning something of value. I am not being critical. I am just pointing out that sometimes one needs to look at their mindset and figure out if they are getting in thier own way based on feelings, rumors or guesses. I hope this helps. Rick

12-11-2008, 10:05 AM	#293
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA There are Better Programs Out There. Besides if the Program is ONLY $2000.00 but you can make $100,000.00 then it must be garbage. The Creators behind his should be shot for scamming people.

12-11-2008, 10:39 AM	#297
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I do not think I will be Signing Up for this product because it is all lies!

12-11-2008, 10:40 AM	#298
internetmarketer99 Banned War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 1,036 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 175 Thanked 360 Times in 92 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA You can assume this was part of the deal for the JV's, a commitment that they would have a day to milk their lists before the direct page was active. Mark