The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

amirla84 · 12-11-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mido

40% is normal commission, during the lunch and if they email their list, then they were getting 50%.

whats your point?

Li Weng · 12-11-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by amirla84

i dont see 100k a day proof on the website. they had a picture of a $800 check yesterday on their sales page. now if you make 100k a day, why would you put a picture of a $800 check. its obvious this is a scam. and the only reason gurus are promoting this is because they get 40%. think about it.

I wouldn't say it's a scam. But it is over-hyped.

Lance K · 12-11-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

Looks like their salespage is still up.

I guess they didn't sell out in an couple hours or do they even have a limit on how many orders they'll take?

Yesterday I heard 700. Don't know if that was the final decision.

vic_msn · 12-12-2008, 12:57 AM

I heard they'd stop at 500.

alancasey64 · 12-12-2008, 01:40 AM

Hey,
I PM'd this to some people. It's a site i threw up real quick (hate me...)

Arbitrage Conspiracy Scam .c0m

Shows how I took the concepts and in the last 2 weeks ahve made $8500 in CPA - using the same concepts as Arbitrage.

I actually found these concepts before I found the report... which was shocking to me... so now im stoked about the report.

btw... I did NOT use "firebug" to doctor up my screenshots. those ARE real.

alancasey64 · 12-12-2008, 01:40 AM

and yes I DID spend $2000 and BOUGHT the arbitrage conspiracy... and i have a reciept to prove it.

im 20 years old.

RC7000 · 12-12-2008, 02:43 AM

Alan, you're really underestimating the intelligence here...

Someone ban this spammer.

Fender85 · 12-12-2008, 02:54 AM

I was also mysteriously signed up for their affiliate program. Weird stuff - anyway, didn't mind. Just chose to email my list the email that Jerry West emailed me (and that he also posted on his blog). Don’t Buy The Arbitrage Conspiracy - I Was There in Vegas

If you're looking for a reason not to buy, there you go. Apparently he's releasing a free, no strings attached CPA guide. As a paying member of SEO Revolution, I can tell you that everything Jerry does is gold. By the way, he said that the earlier post was indeed Andy.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 03:20 AM

I could show you a check for $500k, means nothing if it cost me $550k to generate the revenue.

All these so called proofs of earnings are purely marketing speel, they don't mean anything at all in reality, whenever I see them in sales copy I just scroll faster. The people who add them know it proves nothing and the people in the know, know it proves nothing.

Simply good imagery to make the newbies go "wow"..

They ain't worth the paper they are written on.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

Looks like their salespage is still up.

I guess they didn't sell out in an couple hours or do they even have a limit on how many orders they'll take?

Dunno but I was plastered with emails for this yesterday, I had about 4 from them directly, the one made me laugh, talked the normal speel, "our servers are crashing, the demand is insane, we can't cope... now please order here"

Funny stuff, still will hook the newbies.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by templar

for most, an extra $20k/day is a most welcome gift, and it will indeed leave an impression...

Your just pulling numbers from thin air, why not $30k or $50k or $2.50

The support of this product at all costs, to the point of grabbing numbers from thin air just keeps driving home a bad feeling about the product.

nobodyspecial · 12-12-2008, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Keegahn

From the copy:
Don't get me wrong, the screenshots/images he did show are nice... but they're no where near the claims made.

There may not be checks bigger than the one's shown. When cashflow gets large, checks are not the ideal way to transfer funds.

Usually bank wire is how it's done.

There could have been screenshots/videos of bank accounts, etc, however that doesn't interest me.

My interest is can the results (let's just say a net of $1k USD/day) be reproduced by my team?

That is *my* interest.

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

There may not be checks bigger than the one's shown. When cashflow gets large, checks are not the ideal way to transfer funds.

Usually bank wire is how it's done.

There could have been screenshots/videos of bank accounts, etc, however that doesn't interest me.

My interest is can the results (let's just say a net of $1k USD/day) be reproduced by my team?

That is *my* interest.

Good call.

Strip away all the BS and hype surrounding this product launch and all the armchair speculation.

Can you get a return on investment?

That is the question. Many of the expert trial judges in here will never find out because fear of success has choked them into a holding pattern of mediocrity.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

because fear of success has choked them into a holding pattern of mediocrity.

This is rather an assumption James, at best..

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

This is rather an assumption James, at best..

It is only my opinion. Why are people desperatley fighting against the notion that you can make great income from CPA even with PPC ?

Why do they try and come up woth crazy scenarios about server crashes and scams? These are all great justifications why they should not take a step towards success.

It is easier to declare CPA hard work and direct linking from PPC unworkable than to learn how to do it profitably.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

It is only my opinion. Why are people desperatley fighting against the notion that you can make great income from CPA even with PPC ?
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They arn't.

Why are people desperately supporting a product, even before they had seen it, why are people pulling numbers out of thin air, why are people who even attended the conference saying it was so so, nothing new information. Why are guys from stompernet distancing themselves from it as fast as possible. Why are people trying to suggest that anybody who doesn't blow $2k on this is somehow afraid of success blah blah.

Nobody , especially me is saying CPA doesn't make money , not even close, this has been a big issue in this thread.

This continued support for a product by it's eager affiliates doesnt' mean the product is worth 1 iota, and the fact they have drip fed this so people can't really tell if it's any good until at least week 4 makes me even more suspicious.

Been there, done that, heard it all before.

There's enough smart people making noises on this, all of who'm agree Aymen is a nice guy but that this is nothing new at all, not even close.

Amfire · 12-12-2008, 04:09 AM

Any one was able to get a copy of it? How is it?

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

They arn't.

Why are people desperately supporting a product, even before they had seen it, why are people pulling numbers out of thin air, why are people who even attended the conference saying it was so so, nothing new information. Why are guys from stompernet distancing themselves from it as fast as possible. Why are people trying to suggest that anybody who doesn't blow $2k on this is somehow afraid of success blah blah.

Nobody , especially me is saying CPA doesn't make money , not even close, this has been a big issue in this thread.

This continued support for a product by it's eager affiliates doesn't' mean the product is worth 1 iota, and the fact they have drip fed this so people can't really tell if it's any good until at least week 4 makes me even more suspicious.

Been there, done that, heard it all before.

There's enough smart people making noises on this, all of who'm agree Aymen is a nice guy but that this is nothing new at all, not even close.

I'm not saying people have to buy it. I'm asking why people are so dedicated to finding flaws in things?

Even the most beautiful ferrari will have slight imperfections if you look closely enough.

I can understand why cpa experts might not be that keen on the product. Firstly it will not be much new for them and secondly there will be a few hundred more poeple coming into the networks sucking up energy and moving in to offers etc... Probably to most popular ones. Thirdly, they lose out on their ego when they have to acknowledge that someone actually knows some stuff. There must be very few real high level CPA experts who actually reveal information. High price coaches will get upset, and others will be fuming with jealousy because they did not take the information to market. I know at least one person was upset about the information even in the free report that everyone says in lame.

If I had not met Aymen or of he did not train me then sure I would be more reserved in promotion. The fact that I have seen large pay days under his advice gives me confidence that people who are not already CPA experts will get some good training.

The fact that an industry leader endorsed Aymen as a brilliant and a PPC expert should give people more confidence in the potential of the training. That this person did not doubt the numbers added more weight in my view.

Only time will tell how good the training is. I have the blueprint and it looks to me like it covers all that is required to get a degree of success with this business model. I am offering my bonus clients the ability to discuss things if they need help. I cannot speak for others.

I agree some people are fanatically and hypishly promoting but that is just the $$ signs. They have probably not met Aymen or been exposed to his techniques. Some of them even think Brad Fallon is the product creator which shows they are not paying attention. The affiliate links in the thread are rude and they are probably burning themselves all by themselves.

There are also some Gurus who are marketing the dream. I don't follow them and when people realize they are being sold to over and over again perhaps they too will break away from the seduction of the big name gurus.

The thing that really showed me how interesting humans can be is the false assumptions quickly formed by private detective types over the wasabi incident thread. I think people really did want to believe this was a scam. I give credit to the OP who was open minded enough to ask for himself and seek the truth. This was fair.

I have seen people posting disbelief that you can make big money in a day. They say anyone who says they make that much must be liars. There are people out there making good incomes. If I can have moderate pay days then experts with more experience, budget and time invested than me are most likely to be cleaning up every day.

Regarding the Stompernet scenario I am only guessing when I speculate the delayed launch and the typical WRONG assumptions about the association would motivate AJ to distance himself from this assumption.

Buyers should exercise due care with any purchase and make the best decision for themselves.

tradermike2008 · 12-12-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

I am certain the delay cost money for Aymen and affiliates and a little bit of reputation pounding so there is no reason it would be on purpose.

Here is sonething to ponder:

Even if he were only doing 10K a day, or perhaps even 1k a day net - is that more than many of the whingers and whiners in this thread?

I think many of you are unkind and short sighted. If you don't like the product or it is not for you then don't buy it. If you do think you will make more than $2k back applying it then buy it.

Do or do not - simple.

So you believe then that hackers launched a DNS attack on them in order to prevent their information from getting out into the world? This is what they said and are you saying that you believe this?

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tradermike2008

So you believe then that hackers launched a DNS attack on them in order to prevent their information from getting out into the world? This is what they said and are you saying that you believe this?

They are awfully selective hackers, they left their website and blog completely untouched, very polite of them.

I suspect it was more down to bad testing of the systems etc, I'm not convinced they did this as part of a scarcity tactic, it doesn't hold water imo.

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tradermike2008

So you believe then that hackers launched a DNS attack on them in order to prevent their information from getting out into the world? This is what they said and are you saying that you believe this?

Hi Mike,

I am not technical regarding servers and I was not there. I don't know the real reason. My gut feeling is that it was not on purpose.

The way it was told to me by someone there is that some people had been doing some funny business with some type of cookie jamming exploit whatever that means. It sounded like an external person or persons were attempting to disrupt the affiliate tracking script in particular with some sort of hack.

In any case his reputation would have been a little tarnsihed and he was not pleased at all about it.

Recently Yanik Silver had a system problem and so did stompernet. I think none of them intended to have it happen.

At the end of the day IM'ers are mostly marketers who are still learning how to scale their business. They are not massive companies like Amex or Microsoft etc... they are small groups of marketers who try and get good help and systems but a lot of the loads and pressures of putting together a launch may cause problems. Many things cannot be anticipated.

I have never done a large launch so I don't know the realities of it. I do know that should I do a launch - delaying it would not be something in my playbook.

I have had server attacks by a competitor who changed my sitemaps and I have also had my bandwidth limit exceeded on some massive traffic campaigns causing me to miss 50,000 visits over a few hours. These things happen.....

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

Hi Mike,

I am not technical regarding servers and I was not there. I don't know the real reason. My gut feeling is that it was not on purpose.

Tend to agree, I just can not see the benefit of pissing people off, it gives them more time to go off the boil and you lose the impetus of the sale.

I also don;'t however think they were hacked either, it's ridiculous to suggest a hacker decided to leave their site up , it's awfully polite.

Bottom line at this level these guys should know you go and host at Amazon, you test your backend process to death and back with every credit card , every country , every payment processor your using.

There is really no excuse for this kind of amateur hour at their level, they have deep pockets, hire somebody who knows what they are doing.

tradermike2008 · 12-12-2008, 06:38 AM

[QUOTE=James Schramko;321710]Hi Mike,

I am not technical regarding servers and I was not there. I don't know the real reason. My gut feeling is that it was not on purpose.

The way it was told to me by someone there is that some people had been doing some funny business with some type of cookie jamming exploit whatever that means. It sounded like an external person or persons were attempting to disrupt the affiliate tracking script in particular with some sort of hack.

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Well you were attacking people on here for being scared or fearful or afraid to take action for not buying this course and you have been one of the biggest promoters of it on here - advocating people spend the $2,000 to go out and buy it.

I was just trying to ask you a simple question and you didn't answer - do you believe them when they said that they suffered from an attack on hackers who were in a "conspiracy" to prevent their message from getting out to the rest of the world?

I received an email saying it was open yesterday and the reason it was delayed was because hackers were trying to prevent their message from going out from the Arbitrage Conspiracy guy. This email did not say they had a problem at all with affiliates or cooking stuffy, but that it was a plot to keep their information from going out by "hacking" and "DNS attacks." It even said it was a "conspiracy." If they told you that it was a problem with affiliates then they told you something much different than what they told 10's of thousands of people on their email list.

That would seem to hurt their credibility wouldn't it?

I guess you don't believe that the site suffered from a plot to prevent the information from getting out do you then? If not then if you think about the fact that they are sending out two different messages to people about this then you are just like us thinking that the sales message and process they have put people through is not very credible. Either that is the case or else you really do believe them, but are afraid yourself that it sounds so stupid that you don't want to look like a fool in saying you believe it so you made up a story of them telling you that it was a problem with affiliates in an attempt to make people feel better about the product so they might buy through your affiliate link.

I'm trying to come to a logical conclusion about what you really think here and as you can see it is very difficult for me to do so without more of your help.

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

Hi Mike,

I am not technical regarding servers and I was not there. I don't know the real reason. My gut feeling is that it was not on purpose.

The way it was told to me by someone there is that some people had been doing some funny business with some type of cookie jamming exploit whatever that means. It sounded like an external person or persons were attempting to disrupt the affiliate tracking script in particular with some sort of hack.

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Well you were attacking people on here for being scared or fearful or afraid to take action for not buying this course and you have been one of the biggest promoters of it on here - advocating people spend the $2,000 to go out and buy it.

I was just trying to ask you a simple question and you didn't answer - do you believe them when they said that they suffered from an attack on hackers who were in a "conspiracy" to prevent their message from getting out to the rest of the world?

I received an email saying it was open yesterday and the reason it was delayed was because hackers were trying to prevent their message from going out from the Arbitrage Conspiracy guy. This email did not say they had a problem at all with affiliates or cooking stuffy, but that it was a plot to keep their information from going out by "hacking" and "DNS attacks." If they told you that it was a problem with affiliates then they told you something much different than what they told 10's of thousands of people on their email list.

That would seem to hurt their credibility wouldn't it?

I guess you don't believe that the site suffered from a plot to prevent the information from getting out do you then? If not then if you think about the fact that they are sending out two different messages to people about this then you are just like us thinking that the sales message and process they have put people through is not very credible. Either that is the case or else you really do believe them, but are afraid yourself that it sounds so stupid that you don't want to look like a fool in saying you believe it so you made up a story of them telling you that it was a problem with affiliates in an attempt to make people feel better about the product so they might buy through your affiliate link.
I'm trying to come to a logical conclusion about what you really think here and as you can see it is very difficult for me to do so without more of your help.

Mike,

I did not tell people in this thread they are scared or fearful if they do not buy the course. This is what I actually said:

"These are all great justifications why they should not take a step towards success. "

"because fear of success has choked them into a holding pattern of mediocrity"

I have stated that people should make up there own minds whether to buy or not. Only they can make that choice. By this I mean they can listen to you , me , hypesters and conspiracy theorists etc... but ultimately they should do what is best for them.

Regarding the technical issue:

I stated:

"I don't know the real reason. My gut feeling is that it was not on purpose."

I told you earlier I am not technical. I don't know the answer. I don't know what a DNS attack is. It is also possible that I misunderstood the explanation given to me because it is like a foreign language to me. They did say hacking and you said hacking as well. It sounds similar to me.

The short answer still is - I do not believe it was ploy to delay the launch. They told me there was a problem relating to some type of hacking. I accept that because I don't have enough technical knowledge about the matter to form an opinion on this. I would not know.

Regarding your speculation about making things up. Sorry. I spoke to someone there and I did not make anything up. I also don't fully understand what they told me in technical terms but I thought it related to the affiliate system being bombarded in some way. Doesnt the affiliate cart sit on the server?

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

The way it was told to me by someone there is that some people had been doing some funny business with some type of cookie jamming exploit whatever that means. It sounded like an external person or persons were attempting to disrupt the affiliate tracking script in particular with some sort of hack. ..

That actually sounds reasonably viable.

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

That actually sounds reasonably viable.

The market this product is pitched to contains the exact same people who know how to do these "black hat" things.

tradermike2008 · 12-12-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tradermike2008

I told you earlier I am not technical. I don't know the answer. I don't know what a DNS attack is. It is also possible that I misunderstood the explanation given to me because it is like a foreign language to me. They did say hacking and you said hacking as well. It sounds similar to me.

You are still refusing to answer my very simple question. Maybe I'm being confusing. I'll make it simpler for you. This is what they said in the email they sent out to 10's of thousands of people yesterday:

"It appears as though there was a real conspiracy to stop us from launching yesterday. Some people seriously did NOT want this info to get out. Hackers, Cheaters, DNS Attacks - we had it all!

But it's too late for them, and the time for you is NOW!"

Do you believe what they wrote here in this email they sent out to everyone? I'm not asking you to explain it. I'm simply asking do you believe them when they wrote this? That is all I'm asking.

EliteAffiliate · 12-12-2008, 08:00 AM

Can anyone tell me who has bought this if you received a login or link to some membership site? So far, I paid a huge amount of money for a totally undelivered product, and they are completely unresponsive to the dozens of emails I sent them. The right person also didn't get credit for my order and they never responded.

I don't know about their server problems, but you would think that with such a huge launch and as much as they are charging for this, they would put at least a tiny itty bit of it into customer service to make sure they actually deliver their product and have people to respond to emails from their actual paying customers wouldn't you. I find it funny that Aymen himself would spend hours calling people on the phone directly who say anything bad about him or his product, but none of the people at his company will even respond to people who bought their product and paid them for it! I guess anyone who asks for a refund won't get it either since they don't respond to emails. You would think they would had set up the login link as an autoresponder.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteAffiliate

Can anyone tell me who has bought this if you received a login or link to some membership site? So far, I paid a huge amount of money for a totally undelivered product, and they are completely unresponsive to the dozens of emails I sent them. The right person also didn't get credit for my order and they never responded.

I don't know about their server problems, but you would think that with such a huge launch and as much as they are charging for this, they would put at least a tiny itty bit of it into customer service to make sure they actually deliver their product and have people to respond to emails from their actual paying customers wouldn't you. I find it funny that Ahmen himself would spend hours calling people on the phone directly who say anything bad about him or his product, but none of the people at his company will even respond to people who bought their product and paid them for it! I guess anyone who asks for a refund won't get it either since they don't respond to emails. You would think they would had set up the member info emails and login link automatically as an autoresponder.

It does appear that affiliate tracking might have been there main issue so perhaps that's the reason for your intial problem. It's probably annoying as hell but trust me as the owner of a helpdesk service, sending in a dozen emails (especially when mimicked by dozens of others) will only serve to slow them down in trying to make sense of the mess.

This is rapidly becoming a very messy launch.

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

You are still refusing to answer my very simple question. Maybe I'm being confusing. I'll make it simpler for you. This is what they said in the email they sent out to 10's of thousands of people yesterday:

"It appears as though there was a real conspiracy to stop us from launching yesterday. Some people seriously did NOT want this info to get out. Hackers, Cheaters, DNS Attacks - we had it all!

But it's too late for them, and the time for you is NOW!"

Do you believe what they wrote here in this email they sent out to everyone? I'm not asking you to explain it. I'm simply asking do you believe them when they wrote this? That is all I'm asking.

Yes I believe the essence of that. No doubt they are a little tongue in cheek with the use of the word conspiracy since it was the theme name and they would have been stressed. They even said "as though" which means they are not stating a matter of fact. They are speculating. I don't doubt there were some people who did not want the information to be released but I would not put a huge burden on that. This is more or less the same as what they told me anyway. Cheaters most likely refers to the affiliate hack and what I thought was the main issue. I still don't know what a DNS attack is.

MaskedMarketer · 12-12-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vip

Yep, I agree ... you can always get a refund if it's not as good a expected.

Wasn't it refeshing to see Mark Joyner on the call last night say he'd test it out first before giving his thumbs up?
That is integrity. (I'm not criticizing the others ... he just stood out I thought)

By the way .. the guarantee seems to read ... you get your refund after 3 months ... what do you think Jack?

If they offer a guarantee and honor and give refunds, I don't see a problem with the product (even if the marketing is hype). I don't mind the hype, they need to back it up though.

I don't trust any of those "marketing gurus". Except Mark Joyner (i don't put them in the same group), because he is the only one of the group that actually has somewhat of a reputation to uphold.

Mark Joyner is much more well known than any of those guys (he is a best-selling author of multiple books)

And Marks customer support is 200%. I asked for help with something, so they sent me an e-book Mark wrote for free (that's being sold for $29.00 now). Very nice of him.

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Originally Posted by templar

If Eben gets on the phone and recommends something, his whole $20,000,000/year business lies in the balance...so he is careful at what he gives the nod to.

LOL- Follow the leader

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

I hope people are sensible about it. Perhaps some people are confusing the "don't need a list or website" as being ok for newbies.

But if the marketing is "confusing" people, then its not sending a clear message. If they really don't want newbies in (as its NOT for them), they should give them an application process. If they don't want bad testimonials or more refunds, it makes sense to qualify there clients, but they're not doing that. Actions tell more than words.

Its proven that the application process works, its a take away and exclusivity, and you get better clients!

Looks like its just hype to me. Or bunch of marketers not knowing what they're doing... or both

I bet if they do the application process they may or may not sell out as fast, but they will probably get less refunds if they actually make people work for it and select who they want in...

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Originally Posted by templar

I don't think so...Shawn Casey was not pleased at all...swapping links, and all sorts of "make it work!" demands.

LOL- they are good actors! You must believe politicians to?

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Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

Affiliate marketing? I thought it was CPA.
"It's all about generating LEADS for companies. Not sales. Not purchasers or buyers. Not customers – prospects."

It sounds like affiliate marketing to me. We are "affiliates" for a company and we "market" for them. CPA and pay per sale are different models of affiliate marketing.

And CPA is about generating leads. I think he understands what hes talking about.

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

I am not technical regarding servers and I was not there. I don't know the real reason. My gut feeling is that it was not on purpose.

Recently Yanik Silver had a system problem and so did stompernet. I think none of them intended to have it happen.

Didn't Frank Kern, John Reese, and others have "problems" too?

These people don't know how to protect there businesses?

You can't see the patterns here?

I don't know whats dumber.

The fact they the gurus continue to delay the process and think people don't know (sure the newbies don't- but the WF should be smarter- i thought) - and it's targeted to the "newbie" group. Depends on how you define newbie though....

or the fact that they actually think people are trying to go against them "conspiracy" and avoid to have the information distributed.

Do you not see the copy and marketing theme that's carefully employed in this launch?

I don't believe them one bit. Hackers trying to stop them because they don't want the info out? Maybe because its garbage, but not because its a "conspiracy". The only "conspiracy" is all there buddies getting together and "acting" as "social proof"..

Maybe you just can't see it, because you don't want to

You NEVER TRUST someone who has a financial gain in "helping" you.

Its just plain Basic Common Sense 101

This doesn't mean the product is bad.... As long as the program produces results or they give money back, I don't care. Its good to see they to give a money back refund...

To me, it doesnt matter how much you sell, but how much results you can get for your clients. Some people don't take action, true, but you're marketing should be able to weed out as many of those people as possible.

Shows how powerful marketing, networking, and "social proof" is...

Something to learn from... A good marketer can easily exploit there weaknesses..

tradermike2008 · 12-12-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by James Schramko

Yes I believe the essence of that. No doubt they are a little tongue in cheek with the use of the word conspiracy since it was the theme name and they would have been stressed. They even said "as though" which means they are not stating a matter of fact. They are speculating. I don't doubt there were some people who did not want the information to be released but I would not put a huge burden on that. This is more or less the same as what they told me anyway. Cheaters most likely refers to the affiliate hack and what I thought was the main issue. I still don't know what a DNS attack is.

I'll stop bugging you. Have real work I should do today. I just wanted to see if you would actually type out that you believe them and you did. Gives me a good laugh the rest of the day.

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

If they offer a guarantee and honor and give refunds, I don't see a problem with the product (even if the marketing is hype). I don't mind the hype, they need to back it up though.

I don't trust any of those "marketing gurus". Except Mark Joyner (i don't put them in the same group), because he is the only one of the group that actually has somewhat of a reputation to uphold.

Mark Joyner is much more well known than any of those guys (he is a best-selling author of multiple books)

And Marks customer support is 200%. I asked for help with something, so they sent me an e-book Mark wrote for free (that's being sold for $29.00 now). Very nice of him.

LOL- Follow the leader

But if the marketing is "confusing" people, then its not sending a clear message. If they really don't want newbies in (as its NOT for them), they should give them an application process. If they don't want bad testimonials or more refunds, it makes sense to qualify there clients, but they're not doing that. Actions tell more than words.

Its proven that the application process works, its a take away and exclusivity, and you get better clients!

Looks like its just hype to me. Or bunch of marketers not knowing what they're doing... or both

I bet if they do the application process they may or may not sell out as fast, but they will probably get less refunds if they actually make people work for it and select who they want in...

LOL- they are good actors! You must believe politicians to?

It sounds like affiliate marketing to me. We are "affiliates" for a company and we "market" for them. CPA and pay per sale are different models of affiliate marketing.

And CPA is about generating leads. I think he understands what hes talking about.

Didn't Frank Kern, John Reese, and others have "problems" too?

These people don't know how to protect there businesses?

You can't see the patterns here?

I don't know whats dumber.

The fact they the gurus continue to delay the process and think people don't know (sure the newbies don't- but the WF should be smarter- i thought) - and it's targeted to the "newbie" group. Depends on how you define newbie though....

or the fact that they actually think people are trying to go against them "conspiracy" and avoid to have the information distributed.

Do you not see the copy and marketing theme that's carefully employed in this launch?

I don't believe them one bit. Hackers trying to stop them because they don't want the info out? Maybe because its garbage, but not because its a "conspiracy". The only "conspiracy" is all there buddies getting together and "acting" as "social proof"..

Maybe you just can't see it, because you don't want to

You NEVER TRUST someone who has a financial gain in "helping" you.

Its just plain Basic Common Sense 101

This doesn't mean the product is bad.... As long as the program produces results or they give money back, I don't care. Its good to see they to give a money back refund...

To me, it doesnt matter how much you sell, but how much results you can get for your clients. Some people don't take action, true, but you're marketing should be able to weed out as many of those people as possible.

Shows how powerful marketing, networking, and "social proof" is...

Something to learn from... A good marketer can easily exploit there weaknesses..

Great post,

Yes an application would have been clearer.

Mark Joyner is a good guy.

Gurus are actors.

CPA is affiliate marketing.

People should do the best thing for themselves not the person helping them

Social proof is strong.

Regarding the server, I got a letter from Yanik recently and it had a long write up about the server incident including recommendations and contact details on the guy who can fix these things if you entire system falls over etc... I don't think it was scripted because it is a lot of effort to go for a sales ploy.

James Schramko · 12-12-2008, 08:32 AM

[quote=tradermike2008;322013]

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Schramko

I'll stop bugging you. Have real work I should do today. I just wanted to see if you would actually type out that you believe them and you did. Gives me a good laugh the rest of the day.

I actually typed: Yes I believe the essence of that. Read into that what you like. You seem to enjoy distorting words. Have fun at work Mike. Whatever makes you happy.

Lance K · 12-12-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteAffiliate

Can anyone tell me who has bought this if you received a login or link to some membership site? So far, I paid a huge amount of money for a totally undelivered product, and they are completely unresponsive to the dozens of emails I sent them.

As far as I've heard, access to the first module will be available on Monday.

PPC-Coach · 12-12-2008, 08:39 AM

I don't get why this causing so much discussion still?

It's a course, good/bad or ugly, it's launched, it's over. Everyone has their own agenda for defending it or attacking it, that's human nature. If you bought it, then get busy following through on what you'll learn, make some money and be happy. If you didn't then stfu about it. The old boys club of internet marketers got together, did their thing, (like they do with every high paying launch). Some "gurus" won't endorse it because they have their own products coming out soon, others want that fat commission. It's done now, let's move on...

MaskedMarketer · 12-12-2008, 08:39 AM

James,

As long as people get results and are not left in the dust- it doesn't matter what we all say...

He can charge 25k per person and it could be worth it- I don't know.

He could probably take it to a different market and coach people for 25k packages or more (results is all that matters)

If I could afford 25k to make 100k in the next year. I would say thats a good investment...

SEORundown · 12-12-2008, 08:49 AM

In order to receive your refund you must first PPC for 12 weeks then show them proof of the 12 weeks and give them access to your PPC campaign so they can check to make sure you have done atleast 2 campaigns for those 12 weeks.... What a nightmare!

BTW - Jerry West will be giving his full review of the AC by the end of the day @ SEO Revolution and via newsletter.

PPC-Coach · 12-12-2008, 09:00 AM

How can you review something that isn't even available yet?

(Didn't someone say the first module comes out on Monday?)

Should be a great review?

LOL

SEORundown · 12-12-2008, 09:08 AM

Jerry not only was in Vegas for the Guru Seminar but he is also an employee of stompernet.

Not only that but he will be sending out a free SEO and Conversion Tactics for Tough times via newsletter. (in partnetship with David Bullock) Today!

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

I don't get why this causing so much discussion still?

It's a course, good/bad or ugly, it's launched, it's over. Everyone has their own agenda for defending it or attacking it, that's human nature. If you bought it, then get busy following through on what you'll learn, make some money and be happy. If you didn't then stfu about it. The old boys club of internet marketers got together, did their thing, (like they do with every high paying launch). Some "gurus" won't endorse it because they have their own products coming out soon, others want that fat commission. It's done now, let's move on...

Tons of us have zero agenda actually, just don't care for the BS and hype.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEORundown

In order to receive your refund you must first PPC for 12 weeks then show them proof of the 12 weeks and give them access to your PPC campaign so they can check to make sure you have done atleast 2 campaigns for those 12 weeks.... What a nightmare!

BTW - Jerry West will be giving his full review of the AC by the end of the day @ SEO Revolution and via newsletter.

The guarantee is a joke, you would have to spend tens of thousands of dollars to achieve the criteria required for a refund.

It's all moot anyway, you can just get a refund irrelevent if it's crap. They can't stop you .

SEORundown · 12-12-2008, 09:16 AM

Only in the first three days of transaction you can just request one.. However if you don't even get access for it for three days then your kinda in a bind.

SimonHarrison · 12-12-2008, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEORundown

Only in the first three days of transaction you can just request one.. However if you don't even get access for it for three days then your kinda in a bind.

They are offering a refund only within 3 days ?

I'm pretty sure that's not even legal on a virtual product, just contact your card issuer , it will be returned immediately.

SEORundown · 12-12-2008, 09:44 AM

Have you ever heard of Brite Builder's? They do the same thing. It's in the fine print. However even if it is not it will be a headache either way. Especially if they offer a payment plan because there is always reoccurring bill, that you have to request a refund then write an email requesting to quit billing you but they keep billing every month etc. We have all been through that.

MaskedMarketer · 12-12-2008, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEORundown

In order to receive your refund you must first PPC for 12 weeks then show them proof of the 12 weeks and give them access to your PPC campaign so they can check to make sure you have done atleast 2 campaigns for those 12 weeks.... What a nightmare!

Whats your agenda?

A 100% Money-Back Guarantee #1!
After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached.

Unless there is fine print I'm missing, I can rec. a refund after the course is over. All that BS you mentioned is to get the 500$ extra, LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEORundown

BTW - Jerry West will be giving his full review of the AC by the end of the day @ SEO Revolution and via newsletter.

Nice plug. Dude is trying to capitalize of the leads thats why he says DONT BUY IT- (just sign up to my list) LOL...

That "free" report is going to have paid products attached to it.

I'll believe it when I see it..

Quote:

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

How can you review something that isn't even available yet?

(Didn't someone say the first module comes out on Monday?)

Should be a great review?

LOL

PPC,

Its pretty obvious hes just collecting leads and piggy backing off this product launch, lol. No one can review it until after 12 weeks or else you haven't seen the course yet, lol...

Great strategy, I'm not knocking it, but everyone has an agenda.

Just tired of all the hype and BS as a most..

SEORundown · 12-12-2008, 09:51 AM

Terms of service:
Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason. Automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription in accordance with these uerms and conditions. For termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. To cancel your subscription please send your request to support{at}arbitrageconspiracy {dot} com.

MaskedMarketer · 12-12-2008, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEORundown

Terms of service:
Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason. Automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription in accordance with these uerms and conditions. For termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. To cancel your subscription please send your request to support{at}arbitrageconspiracy {dot} com.

I still get my 2k investment back, whats your point?

Always trying to twist it in your favor... LOL

Who ever is complaining about spending money on real education shouldn't be in this business. I don't know what they are charging nor do I care.

You can't BS a BS'er , ain't gonna work.

templar · 12-12-2008, 10:16 AM

Simon,

The 3 day rule is for legally binding contracts, not product purchases...you can always call your credit card company, say what happened, and get a reversal...the cc company is happy to, since they charge the vendor $40 or so for screwing up.

No vendor wants chargebacks, which is why a full 30 day refund policy is pretty widespread.

Somewhere on a previous page, you mentioned something that makes me think you are making a crapload of cash, and if that is true, you absolutely do not need to buy arbitrage conspiracy...and frankly, it confuses me why you are so active in this thread.

AC is only for folks that are not yet making $10k/day online.

Anyways, I am extremely eager to get the materials and put it into action...

Heck, I already did, based on the freeline info they gave away, and so far it's running
about 40% profits for every dollar spent...which is why I can't wait for the rest of the course.

Personally, I really master this stuff when I start teaching it to others, which is why I'm running the study group as part of my bonus. It really is a win-win activity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

They are offering a refund only within 3 days ?

I'm pretty sure that's not even legal on a virtual product, just contact your card issuer , it will be returned immediately.

Lance K · 12-12-2008, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEORundown

In order to receive your refund you must first PPC for 12 weeks then show them proof of the 12 weeks and give them access to your PPC campaign so they can check to make sure you have done atleast 2 campaigns for those 12 weeks.... What a nightmare!

You really should get your facts straight.

Guarantee #1 on the sales letter says...

Quote:

After you complete this 12 week training course, if you don't feel it was worth every single penny and more of your under $2,000 investment, I will refund every give you all your money back with absolutely no strings attached.

The stipulations you're referring to are in Guarantee #2 where you can get a refund PLUS $500...

Quote:

If you follow our entire 12 weeks system step by step and create 2 campaigns per day (approx 30 minutes each = 1 hour/day), and you’re still not making your money back for this course at the end of the 12 weeks training, simply send us your logins to verify the campaigns you’ve built, and we’ll refund you every single penny 100% PLUS an EXTRA $500!

We’re so CONFIDENT in our system to make you money that we are willing to give you $500 EXTRA to thank you for just trying our system. Fair enough?...

12-12-2008, 12:57 AM	#354
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12-12-2008, 01:40 AM	#355
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12-12-2008, 01:40 AM	#356
alancasey64 Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA and yes I DID spend $2000 and BOUGHT the arbitrage conspiracy... and i have a reciept to prove it. im 20 years old.

12-12-2008, 02:43 AM	#357
RC7000 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 142 Thanks: 11 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Alan, you're really underestimating the intelligence here... Someone ban this spammer.

12-12-2008, 02:54 AM	#358
Fender85 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 102 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I was also mysteriously signed up for their affiliate program. Weird stuff - anyway, didn't mind. Just chose to email my list the email that Jerry West emailed me (and that he also posted on his blog). Don’t Buy The Arbitrage Conspiracy - I Was There in Vegas If you're looking for a reason not to buy, there you go. Apparently he's releasing a free, no strings attached CPA guide. As a paying member of SEO Revolution, I can tell you that everything Jerry does is gold. By the way, he said that the earlier post was indeed Andy.
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12-12-2008, 03:20 AM	#359
SimonHarrison Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 2,066 Thanks: 246 Thanked 446 Times in 266 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I could show you a check for $500k, means nothing if it cost me $550k to generate the revenue. All these so called proofs of earnings are purely marketing speel, they don't mean anything at all in reality, whenever I see them in sales copy I just scroll faster. The people who add them know it proves nothing and the people in the know, know it proves nothing. Simply good imagery to make the newbies go "wow".. They ain't worth the paper they are written on.

12-12-2008, 04:09 AM	#367
Amfire Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the internet Posts: 673 Thanks: 26 Thanked 45 Times in 28 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Any one was able to get a copy of it? How is it?

12-12-2008, 06:38 AM	#373
tradermike2008 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 191 Thanks: 23 Thanked 58 Times in 20 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA [QUOTE=James Schramko;321710]Hi Mike, I am not technical regarding servers and I was not there. I don't know the real reason. My gut feeling is that it was not on purpose. The way it was told to me by someone there is that some people had been doing some funny business with some type of cookie jamming exploit whatever that means. It sounded like an external person or persons were attempting to disrupt the affiliate tracking script in particular with some sort of hack. QUOTE] Well you were attacking people on here for being scared or fearful or afraid to take action for not buying this course and you have been one of the biggest promoters of it on here - advocating people spend the $2,000 to go out and buy it. I was just trying to ask you a simple question and you didn't answer - do you believe them when they said that they suffered from an attack on hackers who were in a "conspiracy" to prevent their message from getting out to the rest of the world? I received an email saying it was open yesterday and the reason it was delayed was because hackers were trying to prevent their message from going out from the Arbitrage Conspiracy guy. This email did not say they had a problem at all with affiliates or cooking stuffy, but that it was a plot to keep their information from going out by "hacking" and "DNS attacks." It even said it was a "conspiracy." If they told you that it was a problem with affiliates then they told you something much different than what they told 10's of thousands of people on their email list. That would seem to hurt their credibility wouldn't it? I guess you don't believe that the site suffered from a plot to prevent the information from getting out do you then? If not then if you think about the fact that they are sending out two different messages to people about this then you are just like us thinking that the sales message and process they have put people through is not very credible. Either that is the case or else you really do believe them, but are afraid yourself that it sounds so stupid that you don't want to look like a fool in saying you believe it so you made up a story of them telling you that it was a problem with affiliates in an attempt to make people feel better about the product so they might buy through your affiliate link. I'm trying to come to a logical conclusion about what you really think here and as you can see it is very difficult for me to do so without more of your help.
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12-12-2008, 08:00 AM	#378
EliteAffiliate Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Can anyone tell me who has bought this if you received a login or link to some membership site? So far, I paid a huge amount of money for a totally undelivered product, and they are completely unresponsive to the dozens of emails I sent them. The right person also didn't get credit for my order and they never responded. I don't know about their server problems, but you would think that with such a huge launch and as much as they are charging for this, they would put at least a tiny itty bit of it into customer service to make sure they actually deliver their product and have people to respond to emails from their actual paying customers wouldn't you. I find it funny that Aymen himself would spend hours calling people on the phone directly who say anything bad about him or his product, but none of the people at his company will even respond to people who bought their product and paid them for it! I guess anyone who asks for a refund won't get it either since they don't respond to emails. You would think they would had set up the login link as an autoresponder.

12-12-2008, 08:39 AM	#386
PPC-Coach Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,233 Thanks: 31 Thanked 503 Times in 302 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA I don't get why this causing so much discussion still? It's a course, good/bad or ugly, it's launched, it's over. Everyone has their own agenda for defending it or attacking it, that's human nature. If you bought it, then get busy following through on what you'll learn, make some money and be happy. If you didn't then stfu about it. The old boys club of internet marketers got together, did their thing, (like they do with every high paying launch). Some "gurus" won't endorse it because they have their own products coming out soon, others want that fat commission. It's done now, let's move on...

12-12-2008, 08:39 AM	#387
MaskedMarketer Senior Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 286 Thanked 85 Times in 71 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA James, As long as people get results and are not left in the dust- it doesn't matter what we all say... He can charge 25k per person and it could be worth it- I don't know. He could probably take it to a different market and coach people for 25k packages or more (results is all that matters) If I could afford 25k to make 100k in the next year. I would say thats a good investment...

12-12-2008, 08:49 AM	#388
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA In order to receive your refund you must first PPC for 12 weeks then show them proof of the 12 weeks and give them access to your PPC campaign so they can check to make sure you have done atleast 2 campaigns for those 12 weeks.... What a nightmare! BTW - Jerry West will be giving his full review of the AC by the end of the day @ SEO Revolution and via newsletter.

12-12-2008, 09:00 AM	#389
PPC-Coach Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,233 Thanks: 31 Thanked 503 Times in 302 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA How can you review something that isn't even available yet? (Didn't someone say the first module comes out on Monday?) Should be a great review? LOL

12-12-2008, 09:08 AM	#390
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Jerry not only was in Vegas for the Guru Seminar but he is also an employee of stompernet. Not only that but he will be sending out a free SEO and Conversion Tactics for Tough times via newsletter. (in partnetship with David Bullock) Today!

12-12-2008, 09:16 AM	#393
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Only in the first three days of transaction you can just request one.. However if you don't even get access for it for three days then your kinda in a bind.

12-12-2008, 09:44 AM	#395
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Have you ever heard of Brite Builder's? They do the same thing. It's in the fine print. However even if it is not it will be a headache either way. Especially if they offer a payment plan because there is always reoccurring bill, that you have to request a refund then write an email requesting to quit billing you but they keep billing every month etc. We have all been through that.

12-12-2008, 09:51 AM	#397
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Terms of service: Monthly subscription fees are not refundable for any reason. Automatic debits shall continue unless the user terminates the subscription in accordance with these uerms and conditions. For termination on the Arbitrage Conspiracy WebSite. To cancel your subscription please send your request to support{at}arbitrageconspiracy {dot} com.