lee_kim

here are two guys behind the launch. I don't know Aymen. But the other guy, I know is making good money. We bought the same course in PPC and CPA. He bought it six months before I did, and I remember all his posts in the forum, and the post he wrote 3 months after buying the course that he was in $10 000 every month. Don't know how much he is doing now.

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Ebbi

I believe you are talking about PPCF or payperclick formula!
Many successful affiliates have and are coming out there.

It's going to be interested when they launch in January!
This is probably going to be exactly the same stuff as in AC
but it might even cost more!

Someone might think they launched AC so soon for a reason
hehe

Ebbi

Zeal4Life

Hey gang!

Its about 4am here EST. I just finished listening to the call.

I've got one thing to say: Shock & Awe!

Just the names on the call...WOW!

I was so sleepy at about 10pm yesterday, however, I've been scouring the net looking for THE way to go in 2009 and BAM! I see this AC stuff.

I'm can still "hear" Shawn Casey or Brad Fallon say something along the lines of ... Thank you for taking time out to do this, cos, y'know you could be out there making $1million and it'll take you 10 DAYS of work!

Aymen, while humble and carefree and all, MUST'VE gone to bed wondering to himself if HE (AYMEN) REALLY did stump all the gurus when he showed them how much he was making and HOW he was making it!

I think the guru grading needs to be categorized:
1. Guru
2. Super Guru
3. Hyper Guru
4. Uber Guru
5. MIDAS (At this level, you literally mint your own gold bullions daily - $100k ++)

I'm sure there are MIDASes out there making more than Aymen, however, I think I would give him MIDAS level because he's done it in less than 2 years (it seems) and this guy is 25 years old and just finished college!

OK...

I'm crawling to bed now, I hope my re-charged abundance thinking will let catch a couple of hours of sleep

Blondmoo

See the TERMS OF USE at the very bottom of the page on AC:

Its been updated to reflect the confusion about monthly subscriptions.

Blondmoo

And why is lee_kim posting the EXACT same post as Memo #17 ????!!!!!!

I can think of a couple of reasons off the top of my head for similar, overlapping posts, none of which make me want to get this course now!

James Schramko

It would be pretty hard for Jerry to make a judgment call on that since he may not have actually seen the product?

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Blondmoo

Well, since you have.........

...... what about scrub rates, the time it takes to get paid etc, the other side of the coin???!!!

It is funny one of the people who said definitely don't buy this but if you must you have to buy from James (you) for the worth of his bonuses.

Its all very confusing, like don't eat dessert 'cause you'll get fat but if you must than at least get the deluxe chocolate peanutbutter pie because it tastes the best, lol.

James Schramko

Absolutely - yes they are all covered.

A - Z that is what will be covered.

And that guy you are referring to is a very smart guy. He obviously cares very much for his readers. Power to him.

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cyberws

"Dude, it's a bit of an open secret that he paid those people for the video endorsements."

I am one of those who was at the event AND gave a video endorsement. I was not paid one single cent. Zero. Nada.

SimonHarrison

He saw you coming :-)

It's even on his affiliate details that affiliates who gave a testimonial would receive a higher commision %

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

MaskedMarketer

Nice way to walk around the truth. Those higher commission will pay off though

LOL

Harlan

People minds are made up.

Everyone wants to believe "the gurus" were paid off for their videos.

Bull dinky.

Would they risk their hard earned reputations for a couple of grand?

I don't think so.

Now the course is beginning and time will tell whether it is worth it.

Frankly, I wish it began right away without giving time to drum more people
into the program.

But if they deliver the content, it's up to the buyers to use it.

We'll see.

But meanwhile, unless you have some proof, enough with the cheap unsubstantiated shots.

Peace.

SimonHarrison

I don't believe they were paid off, in the sense nobody was offered a shaky handshake full of greens, that's pushing a point, were they given a financial incentive in the form of a higher commision % to do so ? YES, catagorically so.

For the record, 95% of the negativity on this thread is about their practises up until this point, the course itself may well turn out to be fine.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

Harlan

I don't believe they were offered a higher commission for a video.

I do believe super affiliates do get higher commissions in general.

Is paying Mike Filsame an extra 10% worth it?

Heck yes.

SimonHarrison

40% standard I believe, an extra 5% if you do a testimonial and an extra 5% if you email your list 3 times, I'm pretty sure that was the deal, I'm sure somebody will post the verbatim verbiage, I don't have the time track it down, this is from his own affiliate proposal.

I don't make statements of that nature for the hell of it, I have no axe to grind with this guy, other than his bleeding awful launch.

For the record, there's nothing wrong at all with paying additional fees to super affiliates, none at all, I do the same myself, there's certainly nothing wrong with giving affiliates more rev share for bombarding their list, there is however something wrong with "paying" affiliates for testimonials.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

MaskedMarketer

It would be wrong not to give them more.

Most successful sales organizations run in a similiar way.

I think giving more commissions to email the list 3 times is good.

I do not think giving extra money for a testimonial is good business practice. I like to see real testimonails, not fake, paid, generated ones.

Just because you don't get paid on the spot, doesn't mean you're not getting paid to do it, if all this is true.

Ebbi

Enough with this BS.....

DEAL WITH IT!!

What's done is done and these boring comments won't do
any good or bad. It was fine before the launch and even
after the launch but this is pushing it! People that didn't
even buy the course are the only one's commenting on this
because they ether didn't have the cash for it or didn't want
to buy it in the first place.

So if you haven't bought the course why in the world are
you pulling up some worthless crap about the fine print?
People have been so close minded towards this product that
they don't even understand that this is how the "big guns"
do IM... Go to any other "guru" out there and look at their fine
print and see if you can't find exactly the same BS about
refunds and guarantees... I'm ready to bet my life on it!!!

I'll even give you really good odds!

AND.... the issue if people got paid or higher commission for
submitting a testimonial is just ridiculous!
I can GUARANTEE that the affiliates in the top 10 even 20
didn't have to do something for getting a higher commission..
If you truly believe that crap than you are in serious trouble.

They control the lists so they have the power to get what
they want. Do you think Mike Filsaime got 50% commission??
Do you really believe Mike Filsaime only got 50% commission??

Of course not... I wouldn't be surprised if he got close to 70%
to 75% in commission.

Move on people!!

SimonHarrison

Because some of the issues surrounding it are grizzly at best and this is a forum that discusses such issues. It's utterly irrelevent whether we purchased the course or not, you don't have to purchase a course to make the point it's shady to change a guarantee mid launch, etc.

This is a discussion forum, and discussion is what you will get, good and bad.

Nobody cares less whether a given affiliate gets 10% or 80%, it's not newsworthy, it is newsworthy however if they took a bigger % for giving testimonials.

Deal with it as you said. These guys will need to take the rought with the smooth.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

MaskedMarketer

Maybe you should take your own advice

See above.

I'm actually looking forward to the success stories.

SimonHarrison

Here you go , taken directly from their own JV website 2 minutes ago.

I sugggest checking it soon as no doubt the text will dissapear shortly.

======================================

We’re also doing something special as far as commissions.

1) Mail 2 times in the pre-launch and 2 times during the live launch - An extra 5%

2) Make your own video testimonial (you can refer to the Arbitrage Conspiracy report’s content) and allude to how much buzz there is about this “new level of revenue potential” since these secrets were exposed in Vegas. If you were in Vegas at the event, talk about that, and how amazingly mind blowing and game changing it was for you - An Extra 5%

Proof enough ??

That is however people try to spin, asking people to create testimonials for revenue.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

MaskedMarketer

I could never back and give a testimonial for a product I've never used. So many people so quick to jump on the band wagon..

Thats about as ethical as using this fake Testimonial Generator

http://www.resourceseo.com/testm.php - i just found this thing on google thought it was real funny what people do to make money

Ebbi

First of all nothing is newsworthy in this thread! The only thing
newsworthy was my original post which I then pulled off!!
And then it turned out to be false! This thread is one huge
mistake!

I'm surprised to still see you here and stating this
ridiculous statements when you should know better!!

I don't quite understand how you operate!

Please answer me this question Simon... Do you really believe
that the "guru's" gave their testimonials for higher commission?
I mean forget everything about this launch and just think if
these people already making millions would actually go so low!

SimonHarrison

You can ditch the condecension, I suggest you read the above post where I actually quote their OWN website.

Case closed.

Do I believe they offered additioanal revenue in return for testimonionals ... YES, why do I believe it , because they even said it themselves.

Nothing ridiculous about it.

Any time you want to offer an apology for the digs is fine. :-)

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

MaskedMarketer

Okay Mr. Big Head, you're opinion is the only one that matters

"just think if
these people already making millions would actually go so low!"

Assuming is dangerous - especially when its about money


Where is this website you're speaking about? Is there a link im missing?

SimonHarrison

I don't link to somebody's private affiliate site & details on a public forum, it's neither professional or fair.

Suffice to say I did a direct cut and paste from their site.

All their affiliates will be able to confirm it.

My thoughts are that this isn't really a negative on the affiliates themselves, they probably for the most part did the testimonials because they like Aymen, and it always helps to sell to your list if your on the actual website, the additional 5% was probably relatively a moot point in the scheme of things.

It's far more an issue that they were offering the affiliates revenue for doing so IMO, the blame shouldn't really fall at the affiliates feet, well other than that they did testimonials without even having seen the product.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

MaskedMarketer

oh okay, i wasn't even sure how that works.

The Sheeple do testimonials with out seeing a product because they may be greedy, want to jump on the band wagon, or both.

Thats why i dont buy affiliate products.

Just because Aymen makes 100k a day, does not mean he can teach anyone else to make 100k a day.

And thats why REAL testimonials (product users and customers) would be helpful.

All it does it make him look more credible. Its actually a good strategy.

Ebbi

You're a two faced man Simon.. that's all I can say!
Don't even try to talk back because deep inside you
know exactly what I'm talking about..

MaskedMarketer

cant we all just get along!

SimonHarrison

Did they offer additional revenue for testiminonals , yes they did, case closed, it's unarguable and proven without a shadow of doubt. No apology I notice for the suggestion I was crazy suggesting they did.

Two faced, interesting. I have twigged what your now talking about however and I guess I made a mistake trying to help you answering your PM on a 100% competely unrelated matter, that apparently warrants personal attacks. I'll ensure I help out less in future.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

nobodyspecial

Harlan, you gotta check your facts man:

JV Blog states 5% bump for sending two emails on Sunday before the launch and 5% bump if in Vegas and they make a video saying how uber cool it was.

Anyhow, if you watch the videos, they are as real and genuine and believable as Pamela Anderson's tits.

nobodyspecial

LOL, what private site? Dude, if it's accessible from the internet w/no password, etc, it's not private:

Here's the link:

http://www.arbitrageconspiracy.com/jv-blog/

If it's not fair or professional, fine, guilty as charged.

BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if Aymen and his gang of arbitragers didn't make much to nothing for the launch in the hopes to get signups for their CPA network. Speculation on my part, but since I didn't get a dime from the AC launch, who cares, right?

SimonHarrison

I realise it's not passworded, I just didn't feel it was right to post their private JV details to non affiliates but I don't care that you did and I guess they should have pw protected it :-)

Aymen musta made a ton of cash at least 50% of 1750x$2k less costs.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

Ebbi

I might have came a bit strong against you Simon
and in a more of a personal way and I will apology
for that... It was uncalled for... But.

Stating that the top affiliates had to give their video
testimonial to get higher commission is something I
have a really hard time believing and will never buy.
Sure I agree that affiliates that aren't what we would
call "guru's" or "big guns" got higher commission to
make a video testimonial, like you said, it's stated on
the website but what I have been trying to get a
across here is if people really believe that the "guru's"
had to do something special to get higher commission!

These are people, every product owner would do almost
anything to JV with and I'm pretty sure when they promote
something they make their own terms... at least I would!

Maybe we didn't understand each other and warn't talking
about the same thing... that's probably why things turned
out like they have.

I asked you few questions and you where kind enough to
answer them and for that I'm grateful... This "argument"
has nothing to do with that, I'm not that cross minded
I just believe we shared equally interesting stuff and that's
why I didn't understand your point of view.

Maybe you still believe the "big gun's" got higher commission
for their testimonial and if you do then I believe our opinions
just don't match. If you don't believe it this has been one
heck of a misunderstanding.. hehe

Ebbi

SimonHarrison

Apology accepted, and thx. On this testimonial issue, nor would I buy it, but that's not what I'm saying, we are talking at cross purposes.

I don't for a second think Brad Fallon / MIke F or anybody else of his ilk, had to do a testimonial to get a higher commision %. I would be amazed if on a virtual product they were not getting more like 75% commision. That's kinda moot.

We are talking about different things yes. I just made the point that affiliates were paid more if they did a testimonial, somebody posted that they didn't believe they were getting 5% extra, I knew I had seen somewhere they were and posted accordingly, thats it, but it sure as hell doesn't mean I think Mike F and other big players had to go scrabbling for a camcorder to get their commisions upped. Or infact that the testimonials were even particularly relevent to the big guys.

Yep it has, but as life's short and we both have $$$ to make, it's time to move on :-)

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

Ebbi

hehe... Yeah I thought we warn't on the same page
there because this was starting to sound ridiculous.

Both you and me didn't read each other posts with the
attention needed because now I see you warn't maybe
talking about he "guru's" but more the programs affiliate
program. Then on the other hand I ask you the question
if you believed the "guru's" were paid extra commission
for their video testimonial and you answered Yes.. without
understanding the questions I believe! hehehe

Anyways you're totally right... short life,make $$$, now!

I'm glad we worked this misunderstanding out!

Ebbi

Paul Buckley

I've been following this thread from the beginning, usually when I'm having my first cup of coffee and trying to pry my eyes open first thing in the morning. I read it in order to avoid trying to do something more valuable with my time and screwing it up before I'm fully alert.

If you'll glance over to the left, you'll see that I've been a member of this forum longer than nearly everyone else in this thread. You'll also see that I have a lower post count than many who've yet to celebrate their first anniversary here. That's because I post only when I think I have something of value to say. So pay attention

"Gurus"

A "guru", by definition, is a teacher or mentor. Few of the people in IM and hardly any of the people on the top twenty affiliate list for this program qualify. I was recently invited to be interviewed for a project as one of 100 IM gurus. Though I respect many of those who have agreed to participate and consider some to be "gurus", I declined. I don't want to be known as a guru and, insofar as IM is concerned, consider the term to be a pejorative.

When I was a "newbie" I was on dozens of lists, including those of many of the "gurus" touting this program. I'm not on any of their lists anymore and, in most cases, wouldn't approach a product they were offering with a ten foot pole and a gas mask.

(There is one exception. I'm still on the list of one of the top twenty affiliates for this program and own three of his expensive products which I consider to be essential tools. I was saddened to discover that he was associated with this clusterfark.)

Has no one else noticed that NONE of the so-called "gurus" pimping this product have posted here, though all are members of this forum and are surely aware of this thread, or that NONE of the real "gurus" in this forum are involved in this project?

"Guru 'Secrets'"

Forgive my redundancy: There are no "secrets". Spend an hour a day just reading the posts in this forum for a year and you will learn all you need to know about IM...FREE. If you don't want to spend a year in study or have more money than time, others have done the work for you and compiled the information in ebooks and courses you may buy, inexpensively, in the WSO forum or from their sig links. They are not selling "secrets" they're just charging you for having done your homework for you.

"CPA Coaching"

There are at least three frequent contributors to this sub-forum who offer one-on-one coaching in CPA and who have their own networks. Their courses are roughly the same price as Aymen's and they offer better payment plans, guarantees and refund policies. I happen to know that one of them is earning mid-five figures daily from CPA. The others may be also but I haven't investigated them. CPA coaching is a side-line for them and a way of recruiting the best affiliates for their networks. Why buy the hype from people you don't know instead of buying from people you do and who are NOT hyping their coaching to fleece newbies?

"Caveat Emptor"

Take careful note of the people touting this program. The majority of them make their living SOLELY from selling to "newbies"; a "low-hanging fruit" niche if there ever was one. Few of them make money by implementing the systems or products they sell. Let the buyer beware.

All education comes with a price tag. Those who have bought this program will get their money's worth in education...one way or the other.

After all is said and done, there's a lot more said than done.

gt555

[There are at least three frequent contributors to this sub-forum who offer one-on-one coaching in CPA and who have their own networks. Their courses are roughly the same price as Aymen's and they offer better payment plans, guarantees and refund policies. I happen to know that one of them is earning mid-five figures daily from CPA. The others may be also but I haven't investigated them. CPA coaching is a side-line for them and a way of recruiting the best affiliates for their networks. Why buy the hype from people you don't know instead of buying from people you do and who are NOT hyping their coaching to fleece newbies?]

Please be kind enough and name the ones who do the one and one coach of the three you know. Like I have for hours been following this thread and the other thread and tried to do a little bit of due diligence before I fork my money for all this hype!

Black Hat Cat

I found this part from the JV blog quite....well, interesting:

"Aymen is not one to brag.

He does not want fame.

He does NOT want to be a GURU.

In fact, Yanik Silver has asked him MANY MANY

times to speak at his UNDERGROUND event and many

times Aymen has said “No.” as he is just not

comfortable with the lime light on him."

Isn't Aymen scheduled to speak at Yanik's next Undergound event, lol? I guess he found a way to get comfortable with it.

Geez, there is so much crap flying around launches these days, you have to bring a shovel with you just to read the sales letter.

markquinn

Nobody had seen the course when they either recommended it or didn't recommend it - which as previously mentioned is pretty weird as I'm not sure how someone could NOT RECOMMEND or RECOMMEND it if they don't know what it is.- that's why James Schramko has been handling a lot of the questions because at least he's already worked with Aymen and has more details about what's going to be in the course.

Also, Nikhil Parekh recommended the course and I know Nikhil personally and he knows Aymen and can't imagine him recommending something he doesn't really believe in. Beyond that I'm not sure who else has more details about the actual course.

Kevin Riley calls this fellow Warrior's niche marketing course "A step by step detailed course designed to take you by the hand and suck profit into your web sites."

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ThomasW

Is Aymen's partner named Hal Allulliah?

http://best.mover.ever.com

James Schramko

lol, Emanual

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ibconsultants

This came to my inbox before launch....not my opinion, just thought I would put it out here...



But Charles just wrote a GREAT PIECE to a reply about
the "NEWESET FAD" that is being fed to experienced, as well
as inexperienced marketers TODAY, like, right now!

I've personally received more than 10 invites from 10 different
"biz op" promoters about this seemingly great "thing" about a
guy who is making over $100K per day online...


Yep... pretty compelling huh?


Well... check out the story behind the story before you
go prancing in to spend BIG BUCKS on more "guru" garbage...


Here is Charle's comment:

----------------------------


Hi Phil,

Arbitrage is the process of buying traffic at one price and then selling it to companies at a higher price. It has typically been done through sending traffic through Pay-Per-Click to offers which convert good enough to cover the cost plus a tidy profit.

Since 2006 ... When Google started tweaking quality scores based on the landing pages (where clicks are sent) ... the arbitrage game got tougher and tougher. $.10 clicks became $5 clicks and the trend remains the same today... We tested it and continue to do so. Now you have to create landing pages for untested products to keep quality scores high and you have to spend a good amount of money hunting diamonds in the rough. Once you find those diamonds then everyone else running arbitrage comes swooping in which cuts directly into your profit margin.

Now there are only a handful of promotions that work, it is very time consuming and more often than not, you're losing money in the process.

In any case there a bunch of well known people that jumped on the promotion bandwagon for this deal. I have lost a ton of respect for a great number of people that I used to trust and respect because they have all shown their true morals by promoting this deal... They were offered handsome commissions to promote a system that is dying.

Why would someone supposedly making $100k (PER DAY) want to ruin their own system by selling it to people for $1600? ... Why would well known and respected people promote this?

MONEY and ignorance... It's a cash grab of phenomenal proportions. Many of the top marketers have never run arbitrage but because other well known people are promoting it... It must be good right? ... Wrong.

I am keeping a list of all the "gurus" that are promoting this offer so I know who to trust VS whose morals are tainted toward profit rather then the well being of their followers.

- Charles

James Schramko

This is old news. I think he is talking about the launch more than the product which I understand however... he has not seen the product....

Ignorance is a good summary of his email.....

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markquinn

I guess that confirms the incentivized testimonials. I guess I'm paranoid because I've been seeing the FTC coming down hard recently on companies breaking their conspicous disclosure regs and as GarrieWilson mentioned in this thread part of the FTC notices on advertising and endorsements state:

"On the issue of consumer endorsements, the proposed revisions state that testimonials that do not describe typical consumer experiences should be accompanied by clear and conspicuous disclosure of the results consumers can generally expect to achieve from the advertised product or program."

And then GarrieWilson goes on to say about this:

"Thats gonna hurt a lot of big marketers. You know, the ones that get friends and above average people o test and provide testimonials.

I wonder if "clear and conspicuous" means in the testimonial box. If it's in the footer, it wouldnt be conspicuous.

Might start seeing less testimonials. "

I know it's something I'm going to be thinking about more now.

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dragunov

nice one thanks for the heads up

chatwithapro

Claiming that CPA is a dying business and that profits are hard to come by is as ridiculous as that bozo who wanted to close the patent office in 1850 (or whatever) saying everything had been invented... (this was pre-toilet paper, mind you.)

Do you realize how many huge businesses have never even heard of Affiliate Marketing and how many new offers are coming online everyday?

Yes it's true that Acai Berry's have run their course but to make a blanket claim that CPA's profits, as a whole, are getting squeezed, just confirms that you are resting on your laurels.

You do have to work at it!

Alex11

Yup, I definitely agree with you on this, chatwitchapro

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RogerAderholdt

Starting to wonder if anyone here actually gets anything done during the day or night, lol..

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gt555

I am so glad I did not subscribe to this program.

PabloVTB

I can't speak for Eban's Business seminars, but I know some of his dating programs, and let me tell you, I would endorse them myself. He sells quality stuff, no doubt about that

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