black or white?

thomas1984 · 06-26-2011, 04:48 PM

ok, would you consider going to sites like freelancer and paying for x amount of leads black hat or white hat? Now consider this the freelancer your using is sending tones of real visitors to your offers and the network allows brokering and are happy with the leads, now is it black hat? would you do it? what if you could constantly make 300% ROI?

MitchKid · 06-26-2011, 05:26 PM

Sounds like a definite no go to me. However, to eliminate all doubt why don't you ask your AM about it? Explain exactly what you want to do and they will say yes or no. Anyone here can tell you yes or no, but the only person that really matters in regard to this is your AM.

dragoncpa · 06-26-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vanilladutch13

Sounds like a definite no go to me. However, to eliminate all doubt why don't you ask your AM about it? Explain exactly what you want to do and they will say yes or no. Anyone here can tell you yes or no, but the only person that really matters in regard to this is your AM.

Your manager is a good teacher

corsleymaxwell · 06-26-2011, 07:59 PM

Tell them straight to the point...of what you want to do!

Lead Generation

PPC-Coach · 06-26-2011, 09:06 PM

What are the freelancers doing to get the leads though?

wangxiaoer · 06-26-2011, 09:11 PM

Tell them straight to the point...of what you want to do!

justscrewit · 06-26-2011, 09:49 PM

the only caution i would throw to you is be careful. because why wouldnt these guys want to make all the money themselves? just throwing that out there

blillard · 06-28-2011, 10:36 AM

Thats not blackhat on your part because your just paying for them but how is the freelancer getting the leads?

Omid · 06-29-2011, 07:26 PM

I have heard if this strategy before...

Most of networks have no problem with this as long as the offer allows brokering! but the point is most of freelancers do it using proxies and you will have problems with your network in near future! I have heard of someone lost 3 of his CPA accounts using this method!

There is no problem with the strategy, be careful! Also, if someone is able to drive traffic to your offers then why would he want to promote YOUR offers?

~ Omid

ChrisBa · 06-29-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thomas1984

ok, would you consider going to sites like freelancer and paying for x amount of leads black hat or white hat? Now consider this the freelancer your using is sending tones of real visitors to your offers and the network allows brokering and are happy with the leads, now is it black hat? would you do it? what if you could constantly make 300% ROI?

It's really neither, it's it's own thing and not allowed by most offers

Kenster · 06-29-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

What are the freelancers doing to get the leads though?

This is the real question. If they are simply filling out the offers or some how diluting the value of the lead, then its a no-no. If they are simply acting as a sub-affiliate and getting solid leads, then I don't see anything wrong with it (even though it may technically break the TOS)

So it's more about lead quality than anything. You need to look at the whole CPA process and all parties involved to really determine if a creative method like this is a good thing to pursue, is ethical, and is a good business model.

Mike Morgan. · 06-30-2011, 04:34 AM

It is not allowed with most CPA networks , because you are paying someone , who may not have an interest on the offer which ultimaytly doesn't have real value to the advertiser .

Some CPA networks could allow this and it is best to verify it by asking your affiliate manager .

Kenster · 07-05-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Morgan.

It is not allowed with most CPA networks , because you are paying someone , who may not have an interest on the offer which ultimaytly doesn't have real value to the advertiser .

Some CPA networks could allow this and it is best to verify it by asking your affiliate manager .

As Mike suggests, you can't simply pay people to fill out offers. You always need to look at the whole supply chain. If you are cheating any part of the chain, the system doesn't work. So even though you can try and cheat the system in the short term, its certainly not a viable long term strategy.

A business should be designed to be sustainable!

06-26-2011, 04:48 PM	#1
thomas1984 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 355 Thanks: 45 Thanked 39 Times in 37 Posts	black or white? ok, would you consider going to sites like freelancer and paying for x amount of leads black hat or white hat? Now consider this the freelancer your using is sending tones of real visitors to your offers and the network allows brokering and are happy with the leads, now is it black hat? would you do it? what if you could constantly make 300% ROI?

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MitchKid Andrew Mitchell War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The Big Bad City Posts: 50 Thanks: 46 Thanked 37 Times in 12 Posts Contact Info	Re: black or white? Sounds like a definite no go to me. However, to eliminate all doubt why don't you ask your AM about it? Explain exactly what you want to do and they will say yes or no. Anyone here can tell you yes or no, but the only person that really matters in regard to this is your AM.

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Omid Experienced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: USA Posts: 552 Thanks: 24 Thanked 187 Times in 102 Posts Contact Info	Re: black or white? I have heard if this strategy before... Most of networks have no problem with this as long as the offer allows brokering! but the point is most of freelancers do it using proxies and you will have problems with your network in near future! I have heard of someone lost 3 of his CPA accounts using this method! There is no problem with the strategy, be careful! Also, if someone is able to drive traffic to your offers then why would he want to promote YOUR offers? ~ Omid
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Mike Morgan. Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,688 Blog Entries: 42 Thanks: 569 Thanked 827 Times in 274 Posts	Re: black or white? It is not allowed with most CPA networks , because you are paying someone , who may not have an interest on the offer which ultimaytly doesn't have real value to the advertiser . Some CPA networks could allow this and it is best to verify it by asking your affiliate manager .
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