noah.whitmore

***2nd UPDATE 9/19/11***Look at the end of this very first post for an update on my method!

Hi guys and gals,

I just want to offer some encouragement to everyone that might be thinking about jumping into the CPA world -- or to anyone that is already trying it out, but losing interest.

I joined PeerFly on August 21st. I tried to make some quick money with PPC - but I ended up spending about $30 and landed only 1 conversion - $1.40, yay!

So, I spent some time over the next day setting things up the right way. I found a high converting offer, did some major keyword research and set up a campaign the right way.

Over the next three days, I've made over $100 while sitting on my butt and not touching my PeerFly account -- well, I did log in several times to see how much I was making. I pretty much jumped up and down for a while.

I've included a screenshot of my earnings just to motivate anyone who might need a little CPA 'push'. I know that my earnings look like they span 4 days, but it's 3 AM here, so that final $9.80 is actually from the last 3 hours.




Keep in mind that I have NEVER been part of a CPA network and this is my first CPA campaign EVER! It is possible -- it's even pretty easy




[CENTER]***UPDATE 9/19/11****[CENTER]

Well, I'm quite surprised and happy about the response to this thread. I just wanted to update everyone on what is going on with this method...

First of all - tons of people are e-mailing me and adding me on Skype to ask me questions about CPA stuff, that's great! But, please do so in a nice manner. Don't demand information from me please. We can be civil and I am happy to share with you if you act like an adult.

Next, a few people have yelled at me because they have had their AdWords accounts suspended while trying to promote CPA offers. First of all, I'm not your momma, and you didn't pay for my method, so don't complain to me. Second, every person that has complained to me so far has had their account suspended because they keep trying to promote offers with low quality landing pages.

Here's a golden nugget for everyone - if Google turns down your ad because your are promoting a 'low quality landing page', don't just submit the ad again for review. Doing that a few times will get your account suspended.

And Remember - GOOGLE WILL SUSPEND YOU ACCOUNT IF YOU PROMOTE LANDING PAGES THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE AWAY FROM! This is AdWords 101. Most people are getting in trouble because they are using landing pages with popups or exit popups (you know, those 'WAIT - I've got a special deal, click Stay On Page' boxes). These things are against AdWords policy. CPA offers with good landing pages are perfectly legal in AdWords World.

Qualities Of A Good Landing Page

When you select a CPA offer to promote in AdWords, look for an offer that uses a landing page with the following qualities:

- Selectable text - not just text within images
- Links to rules - a legal issue, Google likes to see rules
- Contact info - helps to legitimize
- No popups, easy to navigate away from - this is a huge issue for Google, visitors need to be able to click the 'close' button without being bombarded by popups.

With that said, I have recently put more money into my AdWords account and tested this method once again. Here were my results...



So, yep! It worked a second time. Everyone, I really hope that this method is helping you out. I would love to hear if anyone else is having luck!



To our success!
-Noah Whitmore

jezbiz

thats really good man.. It did motivated me.. I'm new to cpa marketing and still planning on how to start with my cpa campaign.. I just got accepted to clixgalore.. still no clue where to start.

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dark witness

thats great to hear.

So my question now is, what was the "right way" of setting things up? where you still using PPC or did you try a different traffic method? How did you set things up to get this result?

Great result.

octavyo

Congratulations Noah,

I think it could be better if you give us your case study (not revealing the niche if you want).

I mean what exactly have you done to make those quick dollars. I think this will be very helpful for many warriors including myself.

I know and i`m currently doing big seo projects for my clients but i hate keyword research.......

Regards,
Octavyo

Mahmoud Selman

Congrats Noah and thank you for your motivation post, Yes its possible to make money with CPA if things done in the right way.

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jezbiz

so guys, what do you think is a good way to start with CPA marketing? I'm new to cpa marketing and stuck on where I should start.. thanks

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octavyo

One final question for you Noah

The $113 have been made using PPC or using SEO ?

I tried to avoid PPc since in my opinion it`s a money eater. Since i know SEo i`d like to focus on that but i think i just need to see somebody doing this succesfully before i will begin myself......


Anticipated thanks

jezbiz

Same here.. I guess I don't also have that much cash to spend on PPC.. I'm also looking for ways to drive free traffic to my offers

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sicnarf

Hope you don't mind some questions.

1. If you were using PPC, how much did you spend to earn the $113? Knowing your net profit would be much more interesting that knowing what you earned.

2. You mentioned doing things the "right way." What does that mean? What was the wrong way? Beginners can learn from both methods.

Thanks in advance.

JasonWestwick

Congrats on your success Noah, great motivation to others on here to show them you can make money from CPA.

Now you have a consistent income look for ways to scale your campaign and take it to the next level.

As others have mentioned you stated you started doing things "the right way" could you elaborate on this. You don't necessarilly have to give away any traffic sources, landers, niche etc. but if it's beahvioural or structural changes you've made that could help others here then I'm sure many would love to hear it.

Well done.

Becker13

Great post noah and congratulations!

WeddingDances

congrats Noah, now just scale it! btw.. how much did you spend to make the $100?

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Davey T

Congratulations on your success! Please check your pm inbox. I hope you continue to grow and do well...

Whos That Guru

i hate threads where people post about "the right way" and then they never answer as to what that actually means.

this basically is a bragging thread more than a motivational thread from the looks of it so far

noah.whitmore

Thank you everyone for the congrats.

For everyone asking how I did it, it was really simple. I used Pay Per Click - I just used the keyword research methods that I have learned here to find keywords that cost me very little. In fact, my average CPC was less than $0.08 and my average earnings per click was something like $0.29. So, no it's not all profit.

But it is profit - and now I have seed money to put back into it. In a few weeks, I see myself doing about $100 a day using this as a starting point.

You know what? I hate forum members that expect to get something for free! I never said 'Read this thread and I'll teach you how I did it'. The title of the thread says 'Looking for motivation to continue? Here it is!'

I don't care that you don't have the discipline to learn how to do it the 'right way' without me telling you! I spent hours and hours learning the methods that I used. I learned everything from this forum.

If you want to learn methods to make money with CPA, go buy a WSO or use the search function to find thread with titles like 'This is how I did it' or 'Learn my method'. Not every thread needs to be a lesson for you about how to make money!

I've added my share of my own methods and skills to the forum. The point of this thread is to show people that even someone who is new to CPA can be successful at it. I don't have to impress anyone here. I know that before I joined PeerFly, I wanted to know that people could actually money with. That is the point of my thread.

If forum members (no one in particular ) want to complain about people not revealing their specific business strategies - go buy a WSO or find some thread meant to teach you.

-Noah Whitmore

Whos That Guru

lol. i didnt say i "dont have discipline" or anything near that.

just that your thread is a joke. you claim to offer motivation but you won't answer a couple of simple questions when people ask? but you sure did reply almost immediately when someone publicly says what everyone is privately thinking.

i think its hilarious. and i dont need to buy a WSO to make money. just wanted to point out that you create this thread to pretty much brag about your earnings, then when people ask you a couple of questions you are nowhere to be found. you act like you have some uber-secret technique or something. hahaha

if you are as much of a "CPA God" as you seem to think you are, you would know how to implement those keywords to generate organic traffic and you would get the same results without a PPC campaign.

you dont always have to spend money to make money.

noah.whitmore

I'm not at all afraid to answer simple questions. I just don't have time to constantly monitor this thread and answer questions individually. I posted this thread very late last night before I went to sleep. Then, I haven't had time to check it until just recently, and I saw your post. Felt it needed a response.

My method:

1. Find a high converting offer
2. Find relevant keywords that have low CPC - I looked for CPC under 25 cents
3. Write an ad that grabs attention
4. Put in a low bid for your keywords - I put mine at about 15 cents for all keywords
5. Connect the ad to your offer
6. Watch the money come in

That's how I did it. I'm sorry that you feel the thread is a joke. Unfortunately I don't have time to deal with forum trolls Whos That Guru, so I've blocked you and we won't be able to have these fun little chats anymore. I wish you nothing but success.

-Noah Whitmore

Whos That Guru

i dont want to know the method you used.. i just posted that because im sure there are millions of other warriors who will stumble across this thread at some point, and THEY will be the ones asking. so why not post it now?

you act like if you reveal your "secret" (which isnt really a secret, everyone knows about PPC) then your money will stop coming in. its funny

but yea, same to you man. im not mad. im not even hating on you. im happy to see that you are making some $. just gets annoying to see everyone make a few dollars online and then start acting like they are "too good" to help beginners.

you can't say it doesn't happen. thats all i was saying. it seemed like this thread was more of a "look what i got" thread than a motivational/informative thread..

anyway, i too wish you the best of luck.

SonicSync

Very nice Noah

I started with Peerfly this week also. I spent about $12 on PPV and after 1600 imp's I had only one conversion = $2. Not good. I realized that in the beginning I need to generate rev without spending any money. So after some brainstorming came up with an idea. In the last 24hrs, $6, no money spent. ratio 5 clicks = 3 conversions. NICE!

Time to scale.

ps. can I ask what/who did you use for your PPC..adwords etc?

ankee1991

Which ppc platform did you use? Facebook? Adwords?


Congrats on the quick success

webjedi

Hi, my name is WebJedi and I am a CPA junkie
I am up to 20 niche searches a day, I got it bad.

I wanted to thank Noah for his confessional, it really helps us who are in need

I look on the SAME Peerfly screen on my account and there be NOTHING *sigh* I really am motivated to read your successes, albeit you are taking a slightly different route (PPC) than me (maybe that's why you are making some money) I have been running a month now and I think my clicks are just not very targeted, oh heck they are targeted but they may just be "tire kickers".

On a lot of offers I see like "the 10th of the month is lockout" I don't quite get that .. that they pay on the 10th and anything after that (even if a cookie is set for 45 days and the person comes back on the 25th) it will wait to payout on the 10th?

I have complete faith though, I KNOW it's going to work well for me, I currently have 9 sites up and running a mix of networks and 4 more sites being built.

I am still definitely under $100 invested total so I am just waiting for my traffic to pick up through my off page SEM.

Noah, I would like to know if you are using MS for this research .. maybe share your SEOT, PBR settings or something like that ...
I have bought a couple lemon domains because I get too excited if I see high SEOT, med PBR and low SEOUC..

Just want to get a better handle on the settings people are using to find such great niche keywords...

WJ

bwmk2011

Ohh congrats!!
I would interested; can you guide me? I'm also new.

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vickybabe

Hey guys, i have also just joined Peerfly and am awaiting account approval. I just wanted to throw out some advice here because no one has mentioned it yet. Why not try media buying?? I see you guys are already spending money using ppc, so would it not make sense to buy banner space on another website that is already generating traffic? You can get a banner on a site for $50 - $100 if you are lucky.

Now for finding a website to advertise on we use a tool called Double Click Ad Planner By Google. It is free, but what you do here is set up a media plan and search for the exact website you are promoting. This will bring up a whole lot of websites that people use as well as the one you are promoting. Simply go through these websites and find about 20 that you are interested in. Make contact with the website owner and be sure to ask for a week free trial to test results before committing to a full month of paid advertising.

Use this technique with the right testing and tracking and you guys will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Hope this post was helpful for you

MartinBuckley

noah.whitmore,

I just got accepted to PeerFly yesterday and was excited about that, but now after reading your post I'm even more excited, so thanks for the encouragement and for sharing your results.

To your success,

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WFParadise

One simple question, it seems you used Google Adwords and just directlinked to some e-mail/zip submit offer, right ? or like you call it, "connect ad to the offer". Well, good luck not being banned soon. It's not allowed by Google.

noah.whitmore

I think I'll give this thread an update soon with a little bit more info about my method, but I don't have time right now. But, I thought that I would address this.

I actually contacted Google about this. They told me that as long as the display URL on my ad matched the destination URL (after any redirections), you were fine. So, I don't see this being a problem. I even explained to them in an e-mail exactly what I was doing - I was connecting to a CA offer and I wanted to use a tracking URL, so I asked them what my display URL should be. I think that means I'm good.

-Noah

WFParadise

You must be God if Google have found the time to speak with you, while you only started to make money for them

Problem here is actually so - it broke their rules not by display/destionation URL. They do not allow directlinking to e-mail submits at all. Problem with offer. But they for sure can not bring it to attention for sometime, after they do - account nuked.

Renavon

Congratulations mate, see how much you can grow it to

docil

Wow, way to go... congratulations. I think I would try your strategy on my next project.

andynathan

Peerfly allows direct linking to affiliate offers from CPC? Maybe I am getting this mixed up with another network, but it had to go through another website first?

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WFParadise

Peerfly allow, Google - no. Unless you are actual advertiser and your services/goods are compliant with them. They do allow directlinking if direct advertiser is absent or so, in that case they simply forgot about e-mail submit or so.

pairox

Congratulations on your success!

noah.whitmore

Hah, no - not God, just Noah. I'm not sure what to tell you. My ads did get turned down twice before it went through. The first time I think it was because I had an exit popup on my screen. The second time it got turned down, I just sent a message to them through the help section. I just clicked on the question mark on the little pop up box when my ad got turned down. Then, I found a contact form.

I explained that I was trying to link to an affiliate program and I wasn't sure why my ad kept getting turned down. I got a response in like a day.

Here are their guidelines when it comes to advertising affiliate links...
What should I know as an affiliate advertiser? - AdWords Help

-Noah

bkkmma

Congratulations on your success and I hope it continues.

mtmjohn

Cool story, very inspiring. Keep up the great work Noah

WFParadise

You got very lucky. They probably thought you ARE direct advertiser. And just didn't looked at the ad, congrats

ChrisBa

Good work, do you care to share the offer or strategy you used??

viewsonic32

Thanks for the motivation!!!
Hope it helps newbies....

nbw

I'm amazed Google haven't banned your account as they don't allow any affiliate marketing.

cooler1

Congrats on your success. It took me months to earn my first $100 with Peerfly although I was using free traffic.

Were you promoting email/zips submits or were you promoting paid offers?

It sounds like you were direct linking to the offer and not using a landing page. Is that correct? If you did it the right way, would it effect the conversion rate a lot as Google have a lot of rules about the amount of content needed on site, etc.. for AdWords.

JunkYour925

Ok then, if Google might be an issue, what about using Facebook Ads? Better ads anyway as you can laser target demographics. I dislike Google

JunkYour925

Hey Noah

Congratulations! I and everyone else stands behind you. Thank you for making this post and unlike post #14 from somebody I won't waste my time naming here who doesn't have a clue, we do have a clue as to why you made this post and it is very much appreciated.

Tom

JunkYour925

That's good to know. Thanks for share and great idea about "I just called Google for the answer" Shear genius - most people would sit there and wonder and ask on the forum for the answer and then get an answer that is wrong and lead them down the wrong road. LOL

So in the display url field you add the CPA offer URL and in the http field you can put in a cloaked tracking link. I use Prosper202. Free and awesome.

Check out Derrick Allen's WSO on using FB Fanpage to cleverly get not only the conversion but also capture the visitors email so you can backend market more to them...its amazing! PM me if you want the link to it.

tayuyaa

Well that is not true at all even though it's not really easy to promote affiliate offers on adwords, you should read this and further:

What should I know as an affiliate advertiser? - AdWords Help

chienb

as simple as it sounds, never thought about this. possible to provide more details?

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cpaddiction

Google ad planner is no doubt a great tool for launching media buy campaigns, but we'd better first test offers through CPC to see whether they're converting or not. After that, we have more opportunity to find some killing offers via CPM/Banner placement.

Anyway, good start Noah, PeerFly is a great network to work with if you could consistently send over quality traffic.

noah.whitmore

***UPDATE 9/1/11***
Hey everyone, I've just added a video update to help everyone understand my method a bit more. I have received a TON of PM's and Skype requests from people asking me how I did this, so I thought a video would be a good way to explain it.

Check the bottom of the first post for the video!

-Noah

manzippo

thats great to hear. Congrats.
noah.whitmore, Thanks for your sharing.

JBroyer44

thanks for the vid Noah, great info. I just got accepted to peerfly today and your post has got me excited.

I have a $100 adwords credit coming so I want to set something up see if I can test an offer.

I still think I want to do PPC > landing page/opt in> follow up email >offer

as I would like to build a targeted list if I can.

I found a couple offers that may work on some of my higher traffic sites so i put up a couple banners and we will see what happens.!

ozinde

Great thread Noah. Thanks for sharing your experiences with folks who are new to the CPA game like me. Appreciated!

Shaun