raamanand

LeivaMatias, can you please let me know how and where you got that 3000% RoI?

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There just may not be any/enough traffic on MT for the offer type and URLs you are testing.

You can let it run a few more days and see if you get any more (some offers seem to be better on certain days fo the week and hours of the day).

Or, you can try adding another group of targets. More URL's or maybe try some long tail keywords. I have my best results with URL's but occasionally find some campaigns respond to KW targets.

Regards,

John

Catalyst eMarketing

Let's ask another question.

Are PPV programs ethical???

Many affiliates are using PPV to STEAL commission from other affiliates.

I see affiliates here on WF complain all the time about losing sales on CB or CB not tracking right and I think a big part of the problem is they are losing sales due to other affiliates stealing their commissions VIA PPV.

Yet I always see a bunch of posts in this section of WF talking about how much they are using PPV. I suppose like any other tool, a hammer, for instance, it can be used in the normal way or could be used to hurt others.

I'm doing research for a big blog post I'm going to be doing on the subject,
so curious about what you guys think?

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TE2

Yes, CPV traffic is an ethical source.

Can it be abused or misused? Yes, just like others.

On the plus side, I also believe it is more difficult for someone to, for example, rip off competing campaigns like they can with PPC traffic. Have you ever seen a spy tool for CPV?

Regards,

John

Neowave09

The only spytool for PPV is to work for the PPV company or download the actual adware software and test. If there WAS a spytool that would certainly be great.

PPV is like the content network but you are being much more pushy so the offer better be more targeted / worth their time.

Frank

TE2

The fact that there is no spy tool for CPV is one reason I think CPV is great.

Regards,

John

Catalyst eMarketing

However with PPC there is NO way to specifically target other affiliates sites and with PPC the ad is just on Google. The ad does NOT pop right on top of the affiliate's site and STEAL their cookie.

Even with the content network you can only place ads on sites that have Adsense and the ad is in an Adsense bank where the CTR is lower. With PPV the ad usually pops right on top of the victim's site.

By using KW targeting with the product name or whatever you can pop on top of ANY affililiate's site and steal their commission, even if they aren't using Adsense. You can also target by URL to pop on specific affiliate's site.

Has everyone seen the video of how Adware affiliates are stealing Clickbank sales with PPV?

Clickbank Parasites and Adware Video

Aside from the issue of stealing affiliate commissions here's how I see PPV.

If I as a webmaster spend time building my site and driving traffic to MY site that is MY site and MY traffic. For someone else to pop on MY site and steal MY traffic is unethical, even if an affiliate commission is not involved. That's MY web property and other marketers should not be able to steal my traffic.

My 2 cents...

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TE2

Hey Linda,

Personally, I don't target in the manner you revealed. How I target is 100% ethical but I am not going to reveal it as it would give away my method.

Like you, I loathe the thieves who steal other affiliate's due compensation.

Sadly, your post will teach a lot of people how to do the very thing you are against.

Regards,

John

oscarkool

The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails.

Oh and 5staraffiliate: Welcome to the world of marketing. Sales will get stolen. It's part of the game. You can cry about it as much as you want but it's not going to change. People WILL steal your sales with PPV. Complaining won't solve anything. We are all in this to make money. If that means stealing other peoples sales, then so be it. And yes, I do target affiliates websites with PPV along with every other PPVer out there.

Mark Owens

TrafficVance is by far the best PPV network for many reasons (too many to list in a reply actually).

The best way to make money from PPV is to scrape a few thousand keywords, set up tracking and run it for a few days. After these few days, remove all the targets that are not making money and push the high converting ones. Within a few weeks you should have a very profitable campaign.

blingblam

Which offers do you guys find convert best with PPV? I assume direct linking is the way to go with ppv, no reason to build a landing page...

TheScalper

@MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...

dropship

Actually building your own landing pages is sometimes better for tracking purposes rather than direct linking so you can track your ROI.

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Mark Owens

Yes you will "lose" money at the start but within a few months you will have a very profitable campaign. Think of it as a longterm investment.

Just remember no matter what kind of approach you take with PPV, track everything.

dropship

I've noticed this as well with MT. Say you want to target ebay.com but the actual page you want to target is snow blower listings and that URL in ebay would be really long, so it's unfortunate you can't list that on MT. I think they need to expand the 40 character URL limit otherwise you won't be able to target the micro niches with MT.

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quickregister

Hey Mark Owens, I really like what you said about losing money at first and it is a long term investment. Nobody wants to say this! Everybody wants it "15 minutes from now." We need more long term thinking in internet marketing. I have been breaking even with my PPV campaigns but the customers I have can produce for me over and over so I consider this a win. I like the idea of honing down the keywords and tracking everything. Good stuff. Thanks. Matthew Meyer.

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Frency

I'm a newbie -- sorry this might seem really simple... But if anyone understands this, help is greatly appreciated.

Using MEDIA TRAFFIC ad network with NO keywords; ONLY urls where pop-overs occur.

Can Prosper202 or Tracking202 be used to track from what sites I'm getting my buyers? If so... anyone know how to? It seems like most of what I'm reading is applying to tracking kws. (and what's the difference between P202 and T202?)

Here's my sales process: url > pop creative > landing page > offer page (sale!)

Is it possible, with the creative and landing page in the middle of the process, to know where the sales are coming from?

thanks!

Wuuki

Hi Frency,

Prosper or T202 can track keywords and urls alike. For the system both are targets, more or less the same.

Prosper is self-hosted on your own server and T202 can be used on their server. So for privacy, you want to use prosper, to get started easily, you want to use T202.

Yes, with your own landing page it is even easier to see which target (URL or keyword) has triggered the sale. Do you use any software such as LPgen?

Hope this helps,

cheers

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What kind of offers are working best for you guys on PPV?

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Spying is definitely the way to go... see what works, test it and then improve on it.

Right now I'm thinking outsourcing the spying of PPV would be very wise.

You can make better use of that time to improving the other areas of
your campaign.

dropship

You can also place your tracking pixel from the PPV network on the CPA confirmation page and track your conversions without prosper.

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cpa007

Try linksador.com PPV as well. I have had great results promoting cpa with this company. I target domain names only

kuterdan

MediaTraffic starts off pretty quick from my experience. If you only have 50 URL's then you can probably contribute that to the problem. I will normally scrape 1000's of URL's myself. The more URL's and tightly targeted keywords the better. I know there are automatic URL scrapers out there and I've tried them and I don't recommend doing it manually.

I used one piece of software and I was able to scrape over 30,000 URL's in an hour, that's great but I spent the next 10 hours going through a removing URL's that didn't meet the network requirement ( like too many characters, illigeal characters like / and so on) and also removing URL's that were not tightly focused on the niche. For example almost any keyword you search with URL scraping software will return YouTube.com, yahoo.com, google.com etc... Why because all those sites will have your keyword somewhere on there site.

So if you somehow forget to remove YouTube and Google and your target market is knitting, everytime someone goes to Google or YouTube for something totally unrelated then your ad is going to pop. That's a good way to go through your budget really quick.

So I dropped my $47/month software and saved lots more time by just scraping manually. I go to Alexa.com, Search engines, and quantcast and I'm usually able to scrape more than enough good targeted URL's for almost all my campaigns.

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dropship

I don't use software or tools to scrape URL's either. Everything is manual because if you use a tool you will spend more time weeding out 10,000 URL's only to find that maybe 10 will convert. So I just test about 50 manually and weed them out that way saving me lots of time...

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Neowave09

Been using AdOnNetwork for the past 2 months. Conversions are sporadic at best probably because they only offer PopUnders instead of popups.

I scrape urls and direct link if I can but the popunder size is only 698px wide so sometimes I have create a landing page first.

Would like to get into MediaTraffic and TrafficVance but their minimums are too high for my budget now. Would love to get into those networks once income can allow it.

Can anyone recommend any good PPV Networks that allow Popups & more quality traffic and low minimums?

Thanks a bunch and Happy Holidays everyone,

Frank

TE2

The correct term is "pop-overs" and for pop-overs, use media Traffic.

Regards,

John

PPV Affiliate

If you email Media Traffic they can let you in for less

Neowave09

TE2 (John): Thanks for the clarification on Pop-overs.

PPV Affiliate: I've tried contacting them about that and specifically mentioned if they could lower the minimums but they state that it was $200 deposit and $200 per each deposit thereafter.

Jimmy Vienneau was the rep:

"Hello Frank,

I am sorry, but we can not lower the deposit amount. We do offer a refund of the unused balance if you are not happy with the results."

TE2

Hey,

You're giving away all of my secrets... Just kidding.

Seriously, I've stated in many previous threads/posts that I do a maximum of 50 and manually develop my target lists. I do have URLkeywordz and laser URL and a bunch of other tools, but none has ever produced a keyword list as well and as effective as my manual method. One day, I may put it in an ebook and release it.

Regards,

John

dropship

Haha.... I never really understood why people use all these tools which I don't think will work as well as manual methods. It's kind of like trying to import 5,000 keywords into a 1 Google Adwords campaign to get lots of traffic and expect good results!

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TE2

You made me smile with your reply. Thanks!

Your words are so true. Here's my opinion:

Most are looking for the easy way before they ever put in any significant effort.

There's nothing wrong with automation (I'm a proponent), but first you have to have a process that works. You get that by doing. You learn what works and what doesn't. Once, I have something that works, then and only then do I try to streamline it and automate it. That's when tools come into play.

I haven't made my methods available publicly (or in private) simply because they require more work than most are willing to put forth.

Sounds harsh but it is true - I have the first hand experience of private coaching to prove it. Most failed to reach success. Why? 90% of them did not, would not or could not do what I shared with them. Sadly, there's really nothing difficult about what I do. It just takes work and most tried to shortcut what I taught them.

When I can invert the numbers and ensure a high success rate, I'll release it. Until then, I'm not ready to release anything to the masses. The one thing I can't control is the effort others will put forth and that may ultimately mean that I don't share my stuff with anyone but a few in private.

Sorry, for the rant, but Dropship's reply really resonated - although it really did make me smile because he/she gets it and I strongly relate to that.

So rant over - if you are in the group that is just looking for the easy way before you put any real effort and learning, my wish is that you stop what you are doing and internalize what I just wrote. Then take action.

"For things to change for you - you have to change." - Jim Rohn

Commit that quote to memory and let it be a guiding philosophy.

Regards,

John

ps - Darn... that was passionate wasn't it!

dropship

Excellent reply John! In my membership site I also find that the majority of the people there are looking for shortcuts and not following the real step-by-step methods I teach. Like you mentioned, the process is not hard at all, it just takes the time to implement what you learn. Most people never implement anything and move onto the next ebook, WSO, etc. and find themselves learning in circles...

About a month or two ago I knew absolutely nothing about PPV, but just by absorbing some good information on forums like WF and a PPV product, I am able to rely more than 50% of my traffic to PPV. However, the most I've learned about PPV traffic is by testing and trying things out on my own. That is how you will learn the best...

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dseisner

Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing!

wh0kn0ws

how do you get a traffic vance account they don't even answer the phone or emails and i heard u need to have a referral..

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Yes you need a referral from a current member.

paulie888

Mark, you hit the nail on the head right there. In terms of simplicity, PPV is far easier to set up than PPC because you don't need to worry about writing text ads and even setting up keyword-optimized landing pages (if you don't want to). The only thing you really need to concentrate on is tracking. I like to think of it as being comparable to throwing mud on the wall, you just throw lots of it (keywords/URLs), and then see what sticks (the profitable ones). After that, you just remove the unprofitable ones and ramp up your campaign with increased spending to see increased returns.

Charles Patrick

Not too familiar with them 2 companies but stay away from ineedhits and revisitors. Over 200,000 hits on "targeted" not one conversion. Dont know what they are doing wrong but they dont work. I'm going to give the trafficvance a shot this weekend.

Charles Patrick

Just signed up with Adon network, not too bad, seems solid so far. Got my ad running at BAM and have a 6% conversion so far.

TE2

Spot on - I tried both of them about a year or so ago with similar results. I classify both as junk traffic.

Regards,

John

TE2

BAM?

I hate to look like an idiot in public, but what is "BAM"?

Thanks,

John

metaphors

I wish your post was up earlier, I just tried revisitors earlier this week targeted to a specific group/niche and after 10,000 hits not 1 single sign up. definately junk or fake traffic. Tried the same landing page with clicksor and got 4 signups in the first hour.

redicelander

I think he meant "and" BAM! As in yee-ha, bam, got a good conversion rate, right on dude...

Charles Patrick

sorry about that, seems you cant IM unless you have 50 or more posts, lol still kinda new here.

BAM stands for Bare Ass Minimum. I started at .15 cents a click, moved to .40 cents a click, still at around 6% convert. Moved to $1.40 per click today but still at 6%. Guess long story short is it seems no matter how much you pay quality stays similar. In case anybodies in left field I was posting about Adon Yesturday.

Charles Patrick

oh nice, havent tried clicksor yet. Yeah revisitors, fortinately is cheap, so were not out much but it does suck when you pay for XX amount of clicks or hits and they are all fake. I actually got the IP report from revisitors and most of them are from the same IP address. Dont understand how that works but they are definately bad news.

Christian Fox

Cough bulls&%t Cough....

Sure if all you are doing is cookie stuffing....

Your not typically getting 3000% ROI on CPA offers.

If you are then you are the most amazing marketer on the planet.

Perhaps if you are using opt-ins for your own product and even then....

rodem

Hi, where can I download these adwares from Traffic Vance, Media Traffic, ... I would like to test the adwares to feel the experience the prospects will have

rodem

Is there any PPV network offering international geotargeting?

bbrock32

Ok , the respective adware for each ppv company is :

Traffic Vance - Gamevance

MediaTraffic - Vomba

Leadimpact - Zango Toolbar

AdOn Network - MyGeek Toolbar

DirectCPV - LoudMO

All these networks offer international geotargeting , but in my experience LeadImpact and MediaTraffic has the majority of non us traffic.

Hope that helps

PPV Affiliate

That's not entirely accurate..

Adon - Mygeek shopping toolbar
Lead Impact - Platrium, Hotbar, & Totallyfunfreestuff toolbars
Direct CPV - Loudmo plus a few others (they have a bit of intl traffic too)

Plus, most of those networks (except Traffic Vance) all buy PPV/CPV traffic from the same sources.