Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source?

raamanand · 10-29-2009, 05:09 AM

LeivaMatias, can you please let me know how and where you got that 3000% RoI?

TE2 · 10-29-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pbiewenga

TE2 -->

Thanks. Now I have one LAST question :-)

I'm testing a diet/detox CPA offer from Neverblue, using Mediatraffic.
I'm running about 50 (different) URL's and 20 of the main URL's I can see some competing activity on the bidding. US and Canada traffic.

However, It's been 24 hours now and only got 1 view total. Should I add more targets/find target URL's that gets more visitors.... I have heard before that MediaTraffic starts slow and then accelerates after 3 days?

thanks
-Pieter

There just may not be any/enough traffic on MT for the offer type and URLs you are testing.

You can let it run a few more days and see if you get any more (some offers seem to be better on certain days fo the week and hours of the day).

Or, you can try adding another group of targets. More URL's or maybe try some long tail keywords. I have my best results with URL's but occasionally find some campaigns respond to KW targets.

Regards,

John

5starAffiliatePrograms · 10-29-2009, 03:04 PM

Let's ask another question.

Are PPV programs ethical???

Many affiliates are using PPV to STEAL commission from other affiliates.

I see affiliates here on WF complain all the time about losing sales on CB or CB not tracking right and I think a big part of the problem is they are losing sales due to other affiliates stealing their commissions VIA PPV.

Yet I always see a bunch of posts in this section of WF talking about how much they are using PPV. I suppose like any other tool, a hammer, for instance, it can be used in the normal way or could be used to hurt others.

I'm doing research for a big blog post I'm going to be doing on the subject,
so curious about what you guys think?

TE2 · 10-29-2009, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5starAffiliatePrograms

Are PPV programs ethical???

Yes, CPV traffic is an ethical source.

Can it be abused or misused? Yes, just like others.

On the plus side, I also believe it is more difficult for someone to, for example, rip off competing campaigns like they can with PPC traffic. Have you ever seen a spy tool for CPV?

Regards,

John

Neowave09 · 10-29-2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TE2

See if you can find the hint hidden in this reply.

And that's all I am saying...

John

Quote:

Originally Posted by TE2

Yes, CPV traffic is an ethical source.

Can it be abused or misused? Yes, just like others.

On the plus side, I also believe it is more difficult for someone to, for example, rip off competing campaigns like they can with PPC traffic. Have you ever seen a spy tool for CPV?

Regards,

John

The only spytool for PPV is to work for the PPV company or download the actual adware software and test. If there WAS a spytool that would certainly be great.

PPV is like the content network but you are being much more pushy so the offer better be more targeted / worth their time.

Frank

TE2 · 10-30-2009, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neowave09

If there WAS a spytool that would certainly be great.

The fact that there is no spy tool for CPV is one reason I think CPV is great.

Regards,

John

5starAffiliatePrograms · 10-30-2009, 02:16 PM

However with PPC there is NO way to specifically target other affiliates sites and with PPC the ad is just on Google. The ad does NOT pop right on top of the affiliate's site and STEAL their cookie.

Even with the content network you can only place ads on sites that have Adsense and the ad is in an Adsense bank where the CTR is lower. With PPV the ad usually pops right on top of the victim's site.

By using KW targeting with the product name or whatever you can pop on top of ANY affililiate's site and steal their commission, even if they aren't using Adsense. You can also target by URL to pop on specific affiliate's site.

Has everyone seen the video of how Adware affiliates are stealing Clickbank sales with PPV?

Clickbank Parasites and Adware Video

Aside from the issue of stealing affiliate commissions here's how I see PPV.

If I as a webmaster spend time building my site and driving traffic to MY site that is MY site and MY traffic. For someone else to pop on MY site and steal MY traffic is unethical, even if an affiliate commission is not involved. That's MY web property and other marketers should not be able to steal my traffic.

My 2 cents...

TE2 · 10-30-2009, 04:21 PM

Hey Linda,

Personally, I don't target in the manner you revealed. How I target is 100% ethical but I am not going to reveal it as it would give away my method.

Like you, I loathe the thieves who steal other affiliate's due compensation.

Sadly, your post will teach a lot of people how to do the very thing you are against.

Regards,

John

oscarkool · 11-01-2009, 03:17 PM

The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails.

Oh and 5staraffiliate: Welcome to the world of marketing. Sales will get stolen. It's part of the game. You can cry about it as much as you want but it's not going to change. People WILL steal your sales with PPV. Complaining won't solve anything. We are all in this to make money. If that means stealing other peoples sales, then so be it. And yes, I do target affiliates websites with PPV along with every other PPVer out there.

MarkOwens · 11-01-2009, 05:32 PM

TrafficVance is by far the best PPV network for many reasons (too many to list in a reply actually).

The best way to make money from PPV is to scrape a few thousand keywords, set up tracking and run it for a few days. After these few days, remove all the targets that are not making money and push the high converting ones. Within a few weeks you should have a very profitable campaign.

blingblam · 11-01-2009, 06:47 PM

Which offers do you guys find convert best with PPV? I assume direct linking is the way to go with ppv, no reason to build a landing page...

TheScalper · 11-01-2009, 07:54 PM

@MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...

dropship · 11-01-2009, 08:15 PM

Actually building your own landing pages is sometimes better for tracking purposes rather than direct linking so you can track your ROI.

MarkOwens · 11-02-2009, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheScalper

@MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...

Yes you will "lose" money at the start but within a few months you will have a very profitable campaign. Think of it as a longterm investment.

Just remember no matter what kind of approach you take with PPV, track everything.

dropship · 11-12-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscarkool

The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails.

I've noticed this as well with MT. Say you want to target ebay.com but the actual page you want to target is snow blower listings and that URL in ebay would be really long, so it's unfortunate you can't list that on MT. I think they need to expand the 40 character URL limit otherwise you won't be able to target the micro niches with MT.

quickregister · 11-12-2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkOwens

Yes you will "lose" money at the start but within a few months you will have a very profitable campaign. Think of it as a longterm investment.

Just remember no matter what kind of approach you take with PPV, track everything.

Hey Mark Owens, I really like what you said about losing money at first and it is a long term investment. Nobody wants to say this! Everybody wants it "15 minutes from now." We need more long term thinking in internet marketing. I have been breaking even with my PPV campaigns but the customers I have can produce for me over and over so I consider this a win. I like the idea of honing down the keywords and tracking everything. Good stuff. Thanks. Matthew Meyer.

Frency · 11-19-2009, 04:50 PM

I'm a newbie -- sorry this might seem really simple... But if anyone understands this, help is greatly appreciated.

Using MEDIA TRAFFIC ad network with NO keywords; ONLY urls where pop-overs occur.

Can Prosper202 or Tracking202 be used to track from what sites I'm getting my buyers? If so... anyone know how to? It seems like most of what I'm reading is applying to tracking kws. (and what's the difference between P202 and T202?)

Here's my sales process: url > pop creative > landing page > offer page (sale!)

Is it possible, with the creative and landing page in the middle of the process, to know where the sales are coming from?

thanks!

10-29-2009, 05:09 AM	#51
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10-29-2009, 03:04 PM	#53
5starAffiliatePrograms Affiliate Advocate War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 544 Thanks: 32 Thanked 83 Times in 45 Posts Social Networking	Re: Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source? Let's ask another question. Are PPV programs ethical??? Many affiliates are using PPV to STEAL commission from other affiliates. I see affiliates here on WF complain all the time about losing sales on CB or CB not tracking right and I think a big part of the problem is they are losing sales due to other affiliates stealing their commissions VIA PPV. Yet I always see a bunch of posts in this section of WF talking about how much they are using PPV. I suppose like any other tool, a hammer, for instance, it can be used in the normal way or could be used to hurt others. I'm doing research for a big blog post I'm going to be doing on the subject, so curious about what you guys think?
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10-30-2009, 02:16 PM	#57
5starAffiliatePrograms Affiliate Advocate War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 544 Thanks: 32 Thanked 83 Times in 45 Posts Social Networking	Re: Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source? However with PPC there is NO way to specifically target other affiliates sites and with PPC the ad is just on Google. The ad does NOT pop right on top of the affiliate's site and STEAL their cookie. Even with the content network you can only place ads on sites that have Adsense and the ad is in an Adsense bank where the CTR is lower. With PPV the ad usually pops right on top of the victim's site. By using KW targeting with the product name or whatever you can pop on top of ANY affililiate's site and steal their commission, even if they aren't using Adsense. You can also target by URL to pop on specific affiliate's site. Has everyone seen the video of how Adware affiliates are stealing Clickbank sales with PPV? Clickbank Parasites and Adware Video Aside from the issue of stealing affiliate commissions here's how I see PPV. If I as a webmaster spend time building my site and driving traffic to MY site that is MY site and MY traffic. For someone else to pop on MY site and steal MY traffic is unethical, even if an affiliate commission is not involved. That's MY web property and other marketers should not be able to steal my traffic. My 2 cents...
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11-01-2009, 03:17 PM	#59
oscarkool Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 45 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source? The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails. Oh and 5staraffiliate: Welcome to the world of marketing. Sales will get stolen. It's part of the game. You can cry about it as much as you want but it's not going to change. People WILL steal your sales with PPV. Complaining won't solve anything. We are all in this to make money. If that means stealing other peoples sales, then so be it. And yes, I do target affiliates websites with PPV along with every other PPVer out there.

11-01-2009, 05:32 PM	#60
MarkOwens CPA Millionaire War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 95 Thanks: 26 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source? TrafficVance is by far the best PPV network for many reasons (too many to list in a reply actually). The best way to make money from PPV is to scrape a few thousand keywords, set up tracking and run it for a few days. After these few days, remove all the targets that are not making money and push the high converting ones. Within a few weeks you should have a very profitable campaign.
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11-01-2009, 06:47 PM	#61
blingblam Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 50 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source? Which offers do you guys find convert best with PPV? I assume direct linking is the way to go with ppv, no reason to build a landing page...

11-01-2009, 07:54 PM	#62
TheScalper Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 22 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source? @MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...

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11-19-2009, 04:50 PM	#67
Frency Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source? I'm a newbie -- sorry this might seem really simple... But if anyone understands this, help is greatly appreciated. Using MEDIA TRAFFIC ad network with NO keywords; ONLY urls where pop-overs occur. Can Prosper202 or Tracking202 be used to track from what sites I'm getting my buyers? If so... anyone know how to? It seems like most of what I'm reading is applying to tracking kws. (and what's the difference between P202 and T202?) Here's my sales process: url > pop creative > landing page > offer page (sale!) Is it possible, with the creative and landing page in the middle of the process, to know where the sales are coming from? thanks!