POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF

CPApromoter · 12-08-2011, 05:47 PM

POLL: Has BlueFart Slithered Back Into WF

Lately I feel like I've been seeing more and more "questionable" methods and tactics being discussed on a regular basis being discussed across WarriorForum, mostly in the CPA Section of course. (i.e. Cloaking, Movie Sites, *C.S.*, etc.)

As you know black hat discussions are not permitted on WF, and I'm sure many of you have noticed the very word B.H. is censored, and the text replaced...

That being said, I know things get tougher and tougher everyday, and desperate times sometimes call for desperate measure... In YOUR OPINION, has BlueFart discussion been rearing it's head on WarriorForum once again?

1. Yes
2. No
3. Don't Know
4. What's BlueFart?

Whos That Guru · 12-08-2011, 05:49 PM

Definitely. Did you see the thread explaining how to spot a cookie stuffer? We've had a pretty big increase in that lately.. or maybe its always been that bad but I didnt recognize it until seeing the thread.

Either way, that is some extremely BH stuff and it does happen on here. Its not supposed to tho.

CPApromoter · 12-08-2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whos That Guru

Definitely. Did you see the thread explaining how to spot a cookie stuffer? We've had a pretty big increase in that lately.. or maybe its always been that bad but I didnt recognize it until seeing the thread.

Either way, that is some extremely BH stuff and it does happen on here. Its not supposed to tho.

God bless you. Im not gonna lie, I have BH roots... But I also understood the importance of building a legitimate business, not just trying to hustle some quick cash... and the fact that WF banned BH discussions is actually one of the biggest reasons I have such respect for this community.

CPApromoter · 12-08-2011, 06:26 PM

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DGFletcher · 12-08-2011, 07:40 PM

From a noob: why exactly is "Blue Fart" bad? Whatever works, works, right? Maybe I'm just missing something here, but if it took me 4 months to get a site up and have people looking at it, or it took me 2 weeks to get a site up and have people looking at it, why would I opt for 4 months simply because the 2 week method is "Blue Fart"?

Or am I missing the point?

jeffrey73 · 12-08-2011, 07:49 PM

There is a BIG difference in using BlueFart techniques as fraud vs. using it to fool Google or Facebook. Getting an "edge" over your competition is standard practice in every form of business. SENuke is considered "BlueFart" and plenty of marketers use it on a daily basis. TweetAttacks is also considered to be BlueFart.

Now, if your intentions are to steal and rip-off advertisers, networks or consumers, then in that case it would be very BAD. To be honest, I have not ever seen BH discussion actually "go away" on WF ever. Someone is always asking to buy accounts, cheat credits, etc. daily. LOL

jeffrey73 · 12-08-2011, 07:53 PM

I believe what the WF is referring to is discussing buying accounts, cheating impressions, stealing from advertisers, as BlackHat. Basically, FRAUD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGFletcher

From a noob: why exactly is "Blue Fart" bad? Whatever works, works, right? Maybe I'm just missing something here, but if it took me 4 months to get a site up and have people looking at it, or it took me 2 weeks to get a site up and have people looking at it, why would I opt for 4 months simply because the 2 week method is "Blue Fart"?

Or am I missing the point?

MTVida · 12-08-2011, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGFletcher

From a noob: why exactly is "Blue Fart" bad? Whatever works, works, right? Maybe I'm just missing something here, but if it took me 4 months to get a site up and have people looking at it, or it took me 2 weeks to get a site up and have people looking at it, why would I opt for 4 months simply because the 2 week method is "Blue Fart"?

Or am I missing the point?

Well, as far as a long-term, sustainable business model, BH almost never works out. You'll nearly always get found out eventually, and when it happens, your accounts will get banned and/or your earnings withheld. CPA is quite risky to start with, and BH CPA is not worth it.

MTVida · 12-08-2011, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPApromoter

POLL: Has BlueFart Slithered Back Into WF

Lately I feel like I've been seeing more and more "questionable" methods and tactics being discussed on a regular basis being discussed across WarriorForum, mostly in the CPA Section of course. (i.e. Cloaking, Movie Sites, *C.S.*, etc.)

As you know black hat discussions are not permitted on WF, and I'm sure many of you have noticed the very word B.H. is censored, and the text replaced...

That being said, I know things get tougher and tougher everyday, and desperate times sometimes call for desperate measure... In YOUR OPINION, has BlueFart discussion been rearing it's head on WarriorForum once again?

1. Yes
2. No
3. Don't Know
4. What's BlueFart?

I see it a lot in the CPA forum, but I'm also glad to see the vast majority of members jump in and discourage them from using such methods.

The thing I find disappointing is the number of WSOs that, one you buy, surprise surprise, it's not as white hat as advertised. These WSOs are usually the only ones that get me asking for a refund.

CPApromoter · 12-08-2011, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVida

I see it a lot in the CPA forum, but I'm also glad to see the vast majority of members jump in and discourage them from using such methods.

The thing I find disappointing is the number of WSOs that, one you buy, surprise surprise, it's not as white hat as advertised. These WSOs are usually the only ones that get me asking for a refund.

Amen Bro, Amen

CPApromoter · 12-08-2011, 08:40 PM

Keep in mind everyone.... Even if a LEAD ITSELF is legit, real person, truly targeted, and converting for the advertisers backend... If you had to BREAK someone's TERMS OF SERVICE, (i.e. Facebook etc.) to generate your traffic, it's BLACK HAT.

Those things will come back to haunt you with Cease & Desist orders, sometimes even lawsuits and more...

The quality lead you sent isn't so quality after all if your Means To The End broke someones ToS.

Whos That Guru · 12-08-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

TweetAttacks is also considered to be BlueFart.

Na, I have to disagree with you on that one Jeff.

Automation does not equal black hat.

Its how you use the tools that determines whether it is or not.

BH to me, is cookie stuffing, clickjacking, adware, stuff like that. NOT a tool that automates things you would just be doing by hand anyway.

Quote:

I believe what the WF is referring to is discussing buying accounts, cheating impressions, stealing from advertisers, as BlueFart. Basically, FRAUD.

Now that probably hits the nail right on the head.

jeffrey73 · 12-08-2011, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whos That Guru

Automation does not equal black hat.

Its how you use the tools that determines whether it is or not.

I agree. And too many people are "over-abusing" these tools, creating SPAM. This is what makes a bad name for "automation" software. ( i.e. doing excessive XRumer blasts )

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whos That Guru

BH to me, is cookie stuffing, clickjacking, adware, stuff like that.

Some great examples!

Whos That Guru · 12-08-2011, 09:27 PM

lol thanks

as a side note, anyone who reads this thread.. do not try any of the true BH methods that you might see listed in this thread. because im willing to bet $ that a lot of the more experienced members know just how 'dark' this can get.

i have been (and still am) an active member of several BH forums.. i actually started there long before giving WF a try. but there is a reason why im still here, and why i tend to be more active on this site.

i completely agree with you about people abusing the stuff. it gives people who actually know what they are doing a bad name..

now xrumer.. man dont even get me started on that. i catch some HORRIBLE xrumer blasts on here lately. i havent even bothered with xrumer, no need. i literally own the first page of google (all 10 spots) for my keywords. lol or at least i did the last time i checked.. and i've been playing MW3 quite a bit lately so i should probably check on things before i forget again

but if i DID use it, i guarantee i would be better than the fools operating it that i come across. hahaha

PPC-Coach · 12-08-2011, 09:57 PM

BH is short term and you need to constantly create new accounts all over the place as your existing ones get banned.

nickdamodda · 12-08-2011, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVida

, and BH CPA is not worth it.

Probably the most false quote I have seen yet on this forum.

cordyceps75 · 12-09-2011, 12:51 AM

It depends on your mind.

Usually I see BH is not worth it. But I also do some BH methods. Not for get quick cash, but for try and learn how the methods work.

jordanberg2311 · 12-09-2011, 03:12 AM

BH is not fraud or illegal. It varies from people to people depends on your own moral or ethinic. Some people think even porn is BH/ illegal.

Some go to the extend saying building links is blackhat because inflating link juice..

My friend telling me his sites are 100% whitehat. But he bought tools from BH forums and get his rank dropped and halved his income. Still thinks he's 100% whitehat.

Some people in BH forums make 7 figures a months after months years after years and never get banned from Google.

The list goes on.

saxatwork · 12-09-2011, 06:08 PM

I think it all depends on what we define as BH and WH. Internet marketing has come a long way, and there doesn't seem to be a clear cut definition, so people, mostly newbies, still think making quick cash is done by pressing that "big red button". For example, how do you define BH anyway - is it all those methods which are illegal and unethical and against the TOS of the parties involved, or does it also include doing a white hat method many times faster using simple tricks and twists but still maintaining your name in all the good books?

HairyPoppins · 12-09-2011, 06:20 PM

Black Hat creeps in but I just expect it too. It's part of the business. I also see some I don't know grey hat in between stuff. You know those kind of shady methods. I try to stay as legit as I can. I don't want any problems. or the headache that comes with it.

eyekantbeme · 12-10-2011, 06:01 PM

Violating ToS does not constitute BH practices.......to whoever said that

Almost EVERYONE, someway, somehow, has an ad violating ToS whether they know it or not. The ad platform doesnt even know it either.....so that is just, how do you say? Oh yeah, wrong. lol

Ive done plenty of research on BH practices and do see why so many noobies would turn to BH practices. What I really dont like about a lot of BH communities, is that they crack WSOs to pass them along. In my opinion, that is just wrong and uncalled for.

Other then that, I am alright with BH practices, I mean I dont do them, but like say for example, E-whoring, I mean in retrospect it is wrong, but how is it much different than if someone had a conversation, trying to sell a product that they think is BS....It's not much different, I mean think of all the BS automatic renewal products that a lot of us profit from......is that BH?

Like it has been mentioned before.......there's no clear definition, so WHAT is it? That's impossible to say, because the internet and IM is constantly changing. What once was great......may be completely illegal a couple years down the line. There isnt a very clear line between white and black, which is why we have this grey hat term.....Alright.

Jeremy

Reddevil007 · 12-11-2011, 02:34 AM

I would say that Blackhat is a way of exploiting rather than saying its fraud.It's all about being smart but doing it in excess raises the flags as many people might be using it so hence there comes a saturation point and then bam CPA networks start catching you.

Andrew Zapp · 12-11-2011, 02:53 PM

In my opinion, no. This is in no way BH compared to many other places on the net. People get mislead by the GH world and think that its automatically BH.

webskills · 12-18-2011, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whos That Guru

as a side note, anyone who reads this thread.. do nottry any of the true BH methods that you might see listed in this thread. because im willing to bet $ that a lot of the more experienced members know just how 'dark' this can get.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyekantbeme

What I really dont like about a lot of BH communities, is that they crack WSOs to pass them along. In my opinion, that is just wrong and uncalled for.

The WSO section of Warrior Forum is full of techniques that have been copied from black hat forums. Trying to make out that black hat is evil and white hat is the best is nonsense.

Use the best techniques from both and you will do well.

TopKat22 · 01-11-2012, 01:49 PM

Believe me, having been in a lot of businesses offline, it may look like doing unethical things is a fast way to money but it really isn't....

what goes around, comes around.

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12-08-2011, 05:47 PM	#1
CPApromoter $ Paper Chaser $ War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 292 Thanks: 123 Thanked 55 Times in 38 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF POLL: Has BlueFart Slithered Back Into WF Lately I feel like I've been seeing more and more "questionable" methods and tactics being discussed on a regular basis being discussed across WarriorForum, mostly in the CPA Section of course. (i.e. Cloaking, Movie Sites, C.S., etc.) As you know black hat discussions are not permitted on WF, and I'm sure many of you have noticed the very word B.H. is censored, and the text replaced... That being said, I know things get tougher and tougher everyday, and desperate times sometimes call for desperate measure... In YOUR OPINION, has BlueFart discussion been rearing it's head on WarriorForum once again? 1. Yes 2. No 3. Don't Know 4. What's BlueFart?
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12-08-2011, 05:49 PM	#2
Whos That Guru Hi, I'm Rob. War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SC Posts: 1,444 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 683 Thanked 470 Times in 346 Posts Contact Info	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF Definitely. Did you see the thread explaining how to spot a cookie stuffer? We've had a pretty big increase in that lately.. or maybe its always been that bad but I didnt recognize it until seeing the thread. Either way, that is some extremely BH stuff and it does happen on here. Its not supposed to tho.
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12-08-2011, 06:26 PM	#4
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12-08-2011, 07:40 PM	#5
DGFletcher HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 168 Thanks: 22 Thanked 22 Times in 20 Posts Social Networking	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF From a noob: why exactly is "Blue Fart" bad? Whatever works, works, right? Maybe I'm just missing something here, but if it took me 4 months to get a site up and have people looking at it, or it took me 2 weeks to get a site up and have people looking at it, why would I opt for 4 months simply because the 2 week method is "Blue Fart"? Or am I missing the point?

12-08-2011, 07:49 PM	#6
jeffrey73 AdCopyAssault.com War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,073 Thanks: 1,249 Thanked 450 Times in 374 Posts	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF There is a BIG difference in using BlueFart techniques as fraud vs. using it to fool Google or Facebook. Getting an "edge" over your competition is standard practice in every form of business. SENuke is considered "BlueFart" and plenty of marketers use it on a daily basis. TweetAttacks is also considered to be BlueFart. Now, if your intentions are to steal and rip-off advertisers, networks or consumers, then in that case it would be very BAD. To be honest, I have not ever seen BH discussion actually "go away" on WF ever. Someone is always asking to buy accounts, cheat credits, etc. daily. LOL
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12-08-2011, 08:40 PM	#11
CPApromoter $ Paper Chaser $ War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 292 Thanks: 123 Thanked 55 Times in 38 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF Keep in mind everyone.... Even if a LEAD ITSELF is legit, real person, truly targeted, and converting for the advertisers backend... If you had to BREAK someone's TERMS OF SERVICE, (i.e. Facebook etc.) to generate your traffic, it's BLACK HAT. Those things will come back to haunt you with Cease & Desist orders, sometimes even lawsuits and more... The quality lead you sent isn't so quality after all if your Means To The End broke someones ToS.
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12-08-2011, 09:27 PM	#14
Whos That Guru Hi, I'm Rob. War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SC Posts: 1,444 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 683 Thanked 470 Times in 346 Posts Contact Info	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF lol thanks as a side note, anyone who reads this thread.. do not try any of the true BH methods that you might see listed in this thread. because im willing to bet $ that a lot of the more experienced members know just how 'dark' this can get. i have been (and still am) an active member of several BH forums.. i actually started there long before giving WF a try. but there is a reason why im still here, and why i tend to be more active on this site. i completely agree with you about people abusing the stuff. it gives people who actually know what they are doing a bad name.. now xrumer.. man dont even get me started on that. i catch some HORRIBLE xrumer blasts on here lately. i havent even bothered with xrumer, no need. i literally own the first page of google (all 10 spots) for my keywords. lol or at least i did the last time i checked.. and i've been playing MW3 quite a bit lately so i should probably check on things before i forget again but if i DID use it, i guarantee i would be better than the fools operating it that i come across. hahaha
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12-08-2011, 09:57 PM	#15
PPC-Coach Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,547 Thanks: 44 Thanked 663 Times in 379 Posts	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF BH is short term and you need to constantly create new accounts all over the place as your existing ones get banned.

12-09-2011, 12:51 AM	#17
cordyceps75 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Jakarta Posts: 61 Thanks: 20 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF It depends on your mind. Usually I see BH is not worth it. But I also do some BH methods. Not for get quick cash, but for try and learn how the methods work.
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12-09-2011, 03:12 AM	#18
jordanberg2311 Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 588 Thanks: 3 Thanked 82 Times in 67 Posts	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF BH is not fraud or illegal. It varies from people to people depends on your own moral or ethinic. Some people think even porn is BH/ illegal. Some go to the extend saying building links is blackhat because inflating link juice.. My friend telling me his sites are 100% whitehat. But he bought tools from BH forums and get his rank dropped and halved his income. Still thinks he's 100% whitehat. Some people in BH forums make 7 figures a months after months years after years and never get banned from Google. The list goes on.

12-09-2011, 06:08 PM	#19
saxatwork Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore, India. Posts: 55 Thanks: 80 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF I think it all depends on what we define as BH and WH. Internet marketing has come a long way, and there doesn't seem to be a clear cut definition, so people, mostly newbies, still think making quick cash is done by pressing that "big red button". For example, how do you define BH anyway - is it all those methods which are illegal and unethical and against the TOS of the parties involved, or does it also include doing a white hat method many times faster using simple tricks and twists but still maintaining your name in all the good books?
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12-09-2011, 06:20 PM	#20
HairyPoppins HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Newhall, California Posts: 351 Thanks: 4 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF Black Hat creeps in but I just expect it too. It's part of the business. I also see some I don't know grey hat in between stuff. You know those kind of shady methods. I try to stay as legit as I can. I don't want any problems. or the headache that comes with it.

12-10-2011, 06:01 PM	#21
eyekantbeme Be jealous of my....what? War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Venice (not Italy) Posts: 189 Thanks: 38 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF Violating ToS does not constitute BH practices.......to whoever said that Almost EVERYONE, someway, somehow, has an ad violating ToS whether they know it or not. The ad platform doesnt even know it either.....so that is just, how do you say? Oh yeah, wrong. lol Ive done plenty of research on BH practices and do see why so many noobies would turn to BH practices. What I really dont like about a lot of BH communities, is that they crack WSOs to pass them along. In my opinion, that is just wrong and uncalled for. Other then that, I am alright with BH practices, I mean I dont do them, but like say for example, E-whoring, I mean in retrospect it is wrong, but how is it much different than if someone had a conversation, trying to sell a product that they think is BS....It's not much different, I mean think of all the BS automatic renewal products that a lot of us profit from......is that BH? Like it has been mentioned before.......there's no clear definition, so WHAT is it? That's impossible to say, because the internet and IM is constantly changing. What once was great......may be completely illegal a couple years down the line. There isnt a very clear line between white and black, which is why we have this grey hat term.....Alright. Jeremy
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12-11-2011, 02:34 AM	#22
Reddevil007 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 241 Thanks: 32 Thanked 90 Times in 86 Posts	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF I would say that Blackhat is a way of exploiting rather than saying its fraud.It's all about being smart but doing it in excess raises the flags as many people might be using it so hence there comes a saturation point and then bam CPA networks start catching you.

12-11-2011, 02:53 PM	#23
Andrew Zapp HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 17 Posts	Re: POLL: Has Black/Hat Slithered Back Into WF In my opinion, no. This is in no way BH compared to many other places on the net. People get mislead by the GH world and think that its automatically BH.
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01-11-2012, 01:49 PM	#25
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