Do NOT join a network based on payout.

bqpennell · 12-26-2011, 02:55 PM

I see a lot of people asking about high paying networks. To be honest with you some of the best networks i have worked for have some low payouts. Perfect example is the ever popular Peerfly, They have thousands of offers and to be honest a lot of there offers are lower then what i see some others advertising. Yet they convert and they don't shave and all you hear is people bragging about them so they must be doing something right.

When you see a dozen networks offering payouts around $25 and one says $30 to $35. Do not let this be your deciding factor because i know a lot of networks that say they pay more but make up for it in shaving or flat out just not paying you.

Perfect Example

neverblue paid me i think $3.00 for tool bar when another network i wont mention out of respect paid $3.50. I ran with the other first but after a few months just a rough figure of how that turned out

Neverblue - 1000 leads paid for 950 x $3.00 = $2850.50
Other one - 1000 leads paid for 685 x $3.50 = $2397.50

See the catch 22 now, they offer more to get you in but when push comes to shove i made over $450 more being paid less.

As stated before always Stick to the networks with the best reputation

NeverBlue
MaxBounty
Peerfly
1stclass - Okay being bias there lol however we have moved to the top 10 with in a year and have SS for over half our reviews unlike every one's else. Not to mention i know I pay so again based off experience.

This is based of experience only. I am sure there are others but i haven't earned enough with them to vouch for. Just remember if it looks to good to be true it probably is. Research a network before you join and do not let payout be your deciding factor, Any fool can offer you $40 bucks to run a offer that other networks are offering $30 to get your traffic.

Just a quick tip because i see a bunch of people asking and they are told to go to offer vault or affiliate paying and when i do a search i see a lot of networks i never heard of offering more. Needless to say i do not fall for that trick.

Kevin Rayman · 12-26-2011, 06:35 PM

Exactly!
EPC is all that matters..

Some CPA network give $5 on a simple email submit, but if you run the same offer on another network(CPATank) you will get a lot higher EPC..

Same rule to all networks that provide bonuses (do not take it personal bqpennell).. They give you 10% for what you earn the first month.. Probably more shaving to earn back the bonus.. If a network can give you $1000 for each $10.000 you earn, then they have too low payouts, or they are shaving too much.. Simple as that.

areevez · 12-26-2011, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Rayman

Exactly!
EPC is all that matters..

Some CPA network give $5 on a simple email submit, but if you run the same offer on another network(CPATank) you will get a lot higher EPC..

Same rule to all networks that provide bonuses (do not take it personal bqpennell).. They give you 10% for what you earn the first month.. Probably more shaving to earn back the bonus.. If a network can give you $1000 for each $10.000 you earn, then they have too low payouts, or they are shaving too much.. Simple as that.

I definitely second that post, EPC is king and is the first thing to look at in most cases.

bqpennell · 12-26-2011, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Rayman

Exactly!
EPC is all that matters..

Some CPA network give $5 on a simple email submit, but if you run the same offer on another network(CPATank) you will get a lot higher EPC..

Same rule to all networks that provide bonuses (do not take it personal bqpennell).. They give you 10% for what you earn the first month.. Probably more shaving to earn back the bonus.. If a network can give you $1000 for each $10.000 you earn, then they have too low payouts, or they are shaving too much.. Simple as that.

I agree with the EPC but your wrong about the bonus, easy example i will give below and have done already.

Offer pays $25 we get $4 Profit from this offer only in order to remain competitive, Now to make 10k divided by 25 would be 400 Leads x $4.00 = $1600. Now take into consideration it seems about 49 out of 50 affiliates never reach this, Example same offer 4 others ran for total of $4k = 160 lead, $2k = 80 leads, 1k for other 2 = 80 more leads.

Now thats 160+80+80=320 leads x $4.00 which equals a additional $1280 profit + the one who made over 10k, So $1280+$1600 = $3880 profit off just 5 people, I have no prob rewarding the person who made 10k in one month as my profit on just 5 people after bonus was $2880. this is not taking into account the many other affiliates working for us. Now If all 5 people made the bonus we would still make $1600 - $1000 x 5 Affiliate and we would still make $3k profit of just 5 ppl and they did all the work so why shouldn't they be rewarded.

Also we do not do %, Trust me we calculated numerous payouts and i assure you for one to make it to the bonus we still get a nice share just not as much as we would if they only made 9k lol

We believe in reward the ones that pay your bills, especially if it doesnt hurt us profit wise in any way.

MakeMoneyJames · 12-26-2011, 07:31 PM

While it is true that networks shave (high payouts or low payouts), I laugh every time I hear an affiliate manager tell me the pay out is higher and they shave on the back - just to keep business.

For example.. I was using this one network ,but wanted to see if the offer was brokered. So, I used fire fox add on HTT Headers https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...-http-headers/ and checked the redirects of the offer. Then I went to the network they were brokering from and got a higher payout.

Then we tell the AM we are getting it from Network "X", but they said they are scrubbing on the back to make up for the higher payout. Just had to laugh at that. And not surprisingly making more money after cutting out the brokered network.

An AM will say just about any BS to keep business. The only real way to know is to test. Thats the only way to know.

MTVida · 12-26-2011, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakeMoneyJames

While it is true that networks shave (high payouts or low payouts), I laugh every time I hear an affiliate manager tell me the pay out is higher and they shave on the back - just to keep business.

For example.. I was using this one network ,but wanted to see if the offer was brokered. So, I used fire fox add on HTT Headers https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...-http-headers/ and checked the redirects of the offer. Then I went to the network they were brokering from and got a higher payout.

Then we tell the AM we are getting it from Network "X", but they said they are scrubbing on the back to make up for the higher payout. Just had to laugh at that. And not surprisingly making more money after cutting out the brokered network.

An AM will say just about any BS to keep business. The only real way to know is to test. Thats the only way to know.

So True!

I've run the same offer from different networks, one paying $3.00 and one paying $3.15. For some 'strange' reason the one paying $3.00 consistently converts better for me. I learned this through split testing, of course.

MakeMoneyJames · 12-26-2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVida

So True!
I've run the same offer from different networks, one paying $3.00 and one paying $3.15. For some 'strange' reason the one paying $3.00 consistently converts better for me. I learned this through split testing, of course.

Right on!

Just keep testing offers!

I usually test the same offer with different landing pages. Sometimes other networks have the same offer with a different landing page at a lower payout but it converts higher than a landing page with a higher payout.

How times did you test the same offer (including same landing page too)?

mtmjohn · 12-26-2011, 11:33 PM

Good info. This is why split testing is so crucial.

Samrath Gupta · 12-27-2011, 12:01 AM

This was definitely a great thread ! This is true that one should not run towards high payout probably they could be a FLY BY NIGHT

Regards
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jgd4js · 12-27-2011, 12:46 AM

Has anyone compiled a list of the non- performing networks in terms of paying the affiliates? I know that there is skimming going and some networks just don't pay what they should...

bqpennell · 12-27-2011, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgd4js

Has anyone compiled a list of the non- performing networks in terms of paying the affiliates? I know that there is skimming going and some networks just don't pay what they should...

Yes, You can check AffPaying to see what others are saying about a specific network. Once you find one you like Google the network name and Scam see what comes up.

Remember Any one who was banned for fraud will cry scam network so if you see one or two it may be okay but when you see the whole page lite up of people complaining like yeahCPA then stay away lol

Naveen K · 12-27-2011, 08:52 AM

Great post Brian!
This is a great example for why EPC should be preferred than payout.

LukePeerFly · 12-27-2011, 01:04 PM

You also need to consider that there's always room for a bump in payout when it comes to driving volume and quality. The street payout is the street payout. Ask for a bump if your campaign is performing!

rockingcow · 12-27-2011, 04:14 PM

Was gonna say something similar to Luke. Challenge the lower performing network. Tell them you are getting a certain % better EPC with someone else and they might be able to fix it.

Cash37 · 12-27-2011, 04:28 PM

As I tweeted a few days ago, dont be an affiliate for an affiliate for an affiliate of another company... your best conversions will always come from being higher on the foodchain no matter that payout.

MTVida · 12-27-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakeMoneyJames

Right on!

Just keep testing offers!

I usually test the same offer with different landing pages. Sometimes other networks have the same offer with a different landing page at a lower payout but it converts higher than a landing page with a higher payout.

How times did you test the same offer (including same landing page too)?

Well in this case the landing page is identical, which is what let me know there was something happening behind the scenes...

But your point is well taken. It's never a bad idea to test out different landing pages if you have access to them through different networks. That way you can pinpoint the differences to find out what brings in higher conversions.

MTVida · 12-27-2011, 04:34 PM

And one more thing...

If you promote with banners, some networks will carry different banners for the same offers. Nothing says you can't use one network's banner to promote the offer on another network...

LukePeerFly · 12-27-2011, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVida

And one more thing...

If you promote with banners, some networks will carry different banners for the same offers. Nothing says you can't use one network's banner to promote the offer on another network...

That's true. Or grab banner images using Google Images

MTVida · 12-27-2011, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukePeerFly

That's true. Or grab banner images using Google Images

Awesome tip, thank you!

Kevin Rayman · 12-27-2011, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVida

And one more thing...

If you promote with banners, some networks will carry different banners for the same offers. Nothing says you can't use one network's banner to promote the offer on another network...

If you want to LOSE money, use the default banners.. ****ty CTRs = More cost than revenue... Better to create own banners

mtmjohn · 12-27-2011, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Rayman

If you want to LOSE money, use the default banners.. ****ty CTRs = More cost than revenue... Better to create own banners

Agreed. Also, UGLY banners usually convert better than professional ones

ChrisBa · 12-27-2011, 09:39 PM

Just to add my two cents, always split test your offers - with other offers and other networks. Never have all of your eggs in one basket

Daverio · 12-29-2011, 03:31 AM

Is it easy to get approve you application in peerfly, maxbounty and neverblue? I really want to join in this affilliates but don't know how to start after getting approval..

Limelightcpa · 12-30-2011, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bqpennell

I see a lot of people asking about high paying networks. To be honest with you some of the best networks i have worked for have some low payouts. Perfect example is the ever popular Peerfly, They have thousands of offers and to be honest a lot of there offers are lower then what i see some others advertising. Yet they convert and they don't shave and all you hear is people bragging about them so they must be doing something right.

When you see a dozen networks offering payouts around $25 and one says $30 to $35. Do not let this be your deciding factor because i know a lot of networks that say they pay more but make up for it in shaving or flat out just not paying you.

Perfect Example

neverblue paid me i think $3.00 for tool bar when another network i wont mention out of respect paid $3.50. I ran with the other first but after a few months just a rough figure of how that turned out

Neverblue - 1000 leads paid for 950 x $3.00 = $2850.50
Other one - 1000 leads paid for 685 x $3.50 = $2397.50

See the catch 22 now, they offer more to get you in but when push comes to shove i made over $450 more being paid less.

As stated before always Stick to the networks with the best reputation

NeverBlue
MaxBounty
Peerfly
1stclass - Okay being bias there lol however we have moved to the top 10 with in a year and have SS for over half our reviews unlike every one's else. Not to mention i know I pay so again based off experience.

This is based of experience only. I am sure there are others but i haven't earned enough with them to vouch for. Just remember if it looks to good to be true it probably is. Research a network before you join and do not let payout be your deciding factor, Any fool can offer you $40 bucks to run a offer that other networks are offering $30 to get your traffic.

Just a quick tip because i see a bunch of people asking and they are told to go to offer vault or affiliate paying and when i do a search i see a lot of networks i never heard of offering more. Needless to say i do not fall for that trick.

Solid advice however I disagree with your network choices.

smaxor · 12-30-2011, 12:26 AM

EPC is good to go off of.....

However....

There's another thing to consider, there's networks out there that know you're looking at that. So make sure you're using your own click tracking of some sort to to calculate out that EPC. $ earned / your clicks will give you true stats. One that does this and comes to mind is CX digital back when they were a big network they shaved around 10-15% of clicks to make their EPC's look good.

Daverio · 01-21-2012, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smaxor

EPC is good to go off of.....

However....

There's another thing to consider, there's networks out there that know you're looking at that. So make sure you're using your own click tracking of some sort to to calculate out that EPC. $ earned / your clicks will give you true stats. One that does this and comes to mind is CX digital back when they were a big network they shaved around 10-15% of clicks to make their EPC's look good.

Thank you sir for your good advice! :-)

speedylikesKJ · 01-21-2012, 10:18 PM

hats off to you man !! Very well said

thanks for sharing

bqpennell · 01-21-2012, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limelightcpa

Solid advice however I disagree with your network choices.

LOL okay i will start over just for you

As stated before always Stick to the networks with the best reputation

1stclass
Limelight
NeverBlue
MaxBounty
Peerfly

happy? LOL

12-26-2011, 02:55 PM	#1
bqpennell HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 221 Thanks: 32 Thanked 55 Times in 33 Posts	Do NOT join a network based on payout. I see a lot of people asking about high paying networks. To be honest with you some of the best networks i have worked for have some low payouts. Perfect example is the ever popular Peerfly, They have thousands of offers and to be honest a lot of there offers are lower then what i see some others advertising. Yet they convert and they don't shave and all you hear is people bragging about them so they must be doing something right. When you see a dozen networks offering payouts around $25 and one says $30 to $35. Do not let this be your deciding factor because i know a lot of networks that say they pay more but make up for it in shaving or flat out just not paying you. Perfect Example neverblue paid me i think $3.00 for tool bar when another network i wont mention out of respect paid $3.50. I ran with the other first but after a few months just a rough figure of how that turned out Neverblue - 1000 leads paid for 950 x $3.00 = $2850.50 Other one - 1000 leads paid for 685 x $3.50 = $2397.50 See the catch 22 now, they offer more to get you in but when push comes to shove i made over $450 more being paid less. As stated before always Stick to the networks with the best reputation NeverBlue MaxBounty Peerfly 1stclass - Okay being bias there lol however we have moved to the top 10 with in a year and have SS for over half our reviews unlike every one's else. Not to mention i know I pay so again based off experience. This is based of experience only. I am sure there are others but i haven't earned enough with them to vouch for. Just remember if it looks to good to be true it probably is. Research a network before you join and do not let payout be your deciding factor, Any fool can offer you $40 bucks to run a offer that other networks are offering $30 to get your traffic. Just a quick tip because i see a bunch of people asking and they are told to go to offer vault or affiliate paying and when i do a search i see a lot of networks i never heard of offering more. Needless to say i do not fall for that trick.
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