How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks

RobinX · 07-29-2009, 01:31 AM

hey I also need that script.

thx

eddywebs · 07-30-2009, 08:34 PM

thanks for this awesome guide but recently I got stuck with an query .
I signed up with advaliant recently and got an "request information email" asking for my details.

In this email there was a question

Quote:

Can you provide us with two references from other networks?
(Please supply us with the Affiliate Manager’s name and phone # or email address)

what exactly is meant by the above question ?
you see currently I am only with cj.com and amazon associates and I tried to dig into the email they sent me and the website but couldnt find the Affiliate Manager's information .

tnbig · 07-31-2009, 03:13 PM

very good thread, thanks

jplanigan · 07-31-2009, 04:20 PM

Got into my first CPA network today after having read this thread. Still waiting for calls from 2 other networks. I kind of hate talking to people I don't know on the phone, but with the info in this thread it was no biggie.

Anyhow, thanks a lot Steven.

etimon · 08-02-2009, 03:21 AM

Hi,
I would like you send me the free script too.... thanks

dpreymak · 08-05-2009, 01:24 AM

could you send me the script too? appreciated.

E-supreme · 08-05-2009, 04:54 AM

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ukbuddy2 · 08-06-2009, 12:28 PM

Hi
this is one of the best freebies fo rnewbies I read

When it was all a bit new and did not even know what an affiliate network was/is

it helped me get signed up no probs

especially the bit about using ppc traffic as i have no website!!!

thankyou

tadco · 08-07-2009, 09:52 AM

Can you send me a script too please....Thanks.
Also NevrBlue asks if I have my own internal traffic source?
Are they referring to my "list" or what? Thanks Again

eddywebs · 08-09-2009, 12:56 PM

Hi @stevenlean , can you you om me the script for the making personal site.

chengnuomima · 08-09-2009, 01:31 PM

thank you,this is very useful guide

woj · 08-11-2009, 09:19 AM

With all the post Ive read here I'm becoming more interested with CPA.

steven, Can you please send me the script too?

SMP · 08-11-2009, 11:39 AM

Thankyou for posting this Steven.

I've been buying CPA leads through a third party and I have had no control over them until now so this is gold dust for me.

Many thanks.

Steve.

efrontiers · 08-12-2009, 01:58 AM

Will this work if you are from the Philippines?

stevenlean · 08-12-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by efrontiers

Will this work if you are from the Philippines?

Yes, this definitely works from Philippines.

szhang · 08-12-2009, 12:37 PM

can i also get the script, i've been having a really difficult time getting accepted into adscend media.

thanks

amzarijim · 08-12-2009, 02:29 PM

hi, im newbie, could you send me the script too? thank.

amzarijim · 08-12-2009, 11:22 PM

thank Steven - script

Shakeel786 · 08-18-2009, 06:16 PM

Hi Steven

Can you please send me the script

Thanks

efrontiers · 08-19-2009, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevenlean

Yes, this definitely works from Philippines.

Yes, Im accepted with Maxbounty just today. Thanks for the tips. It also help if you have someone refer you.

brainless · 08-21-2009, 05:23 AM

hi can u sent me the free script please. Thanks

Roar · 08-22-2009, 02:12 PM

What do you say to the affiliate manager when he asks about your experience? Driving traffic methods, past campaigns, success with ppc, etc when you have no real experience.

stevenlean · 08-22-2009, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roar

What do you say to the affiliate manager when he asks about your experience? Driving traffic methods, past campaigns, success with ppc, etc when you have no real experience.

Tell them you're a PPC marketer.

No worry, you're not required to send in your Adwords stats.

GraceT · 08-24-2009, 08:54 PM

great info! thanks!

Affiliit · 08-25-2009, 05:54 PM

Just remember guys, if everyone uses the same script, networks are going to catch on and assume if you are reading from it your not legitimate. Add your own spin, and just be honest.

Koncrete · 08-26-2009, 06:48 PM

can you please send me the script? Much appreciated.

behnk01 · 08-29-2009, 02:49 AM

Steven,

How many scripts do you think you've sent thus far? How much longer would people effectively be able to make this work for them?

Please send me the script through pm if you feel I'd still be able to apply this way, otherwise I'll just take a day to create my own.

THANKS

joshel · 08-29-2009, 06:22 AM

Lots of good information here thanks

Sonja · 08-30-2009, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by behnk01

Steven,

How many scripts do you think you've sent thus far? How much longer would people effectively be able to make this work for them?

Please send me the script through pm if you feel I'd still be able to apply this way, otherwise I'll just take a day to create my own.

THANKS

If you have read through this thread at all, you can count the number of script requests in the dozens. And here lies the problem with all these people taking this script and using it in mass to apply essentially to the same CPA's.....sooner or later the CPA's will figure it out and make it that much more difficult to get in.

What's wrong with building your own site...I ask this to all? With as much free PLR and graphics that can be found, anyone should be able to rewrite some PLR and put up a site in a day or two!

IMO, taking this type of shortcut script and repeating it in mass will do more harm than good.

best8 · 09-18-2009, 03:19 AM

thanks man

Oitbbitw2007 · 09-18-2009, 07:20 AM

please send me this free script

mithu · 09-19-2009, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevenlean

How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks

I’ve seen some people really need a step-by-step guide on how to get
approved by CPA networks.

When I was first started with affiliate marketing, I didn’t even have a
website which CPA networks “love” to see. Yet I’ve been approved by
practically every major CPA network that I have applied to.

Read and apply my steps, you shouldn’t have a problem getting approved
by most of the networks you apply to.

Sign Up With CPA Networks

For every CPA networks, you need to show them a decent website to get
approved. It MUST be you own site, a few networks will require you to
show ownership of your website before they’ll approve your application.

My friend received this message from Azoogle when he applied:

“If your domain(s) are privately registered, you will need to email us a
receipt from your domain registrar or a screenshot of your online
management panel—something showing the domain name and your name
and address—so that we can verify ownership.....”

As long as it’s your own website, it could be a totally unrelated website
to show them, this doesn't matter.

When I was first started, I showed them my personal website. I used
that “unrelated’ site to apply to a few networks and get approved
without any problems.

When you fill out the affiliate application form, there is usually a field
where you can put any message for the administrators who will review
and approve your application.

Tell them you’re going to run PPC direct linking so your website isn’t
really all that applicable.

Make it sound like you’re a seasoned CPA marketer. Tell them you’re
already with a few other networks and someone said something good
about them, so you want to try out their offers.

Build a Site To Show CPA Networks

If you don’t have a site and you’re too lazy to build one from scratch,
there is a short cut.

I've a little trick where you get to set up a professional website in 5
minutes.

It’s simple and fast.

You download a free script, upload it to your hosting, a few clicks more
and you're done. It gives you a great site that most networks "love".
Last year, I tried this with Azoogle and I was approved in 24 hours!

If you need this little script, pm me and I'll send it to you free. For this
method to work, you need to get a domain name and get it hosted.

Call CPA Networks for Fast Approval

After you’ve sent in your application, you should receive their reply in
a short while.

Normally they’ll send a message to you through an autoresponder. Read
their message, find their phone number and call them immediately.

This is what you need to say over the phone:

“Hi, I’ve just signed up as an affiliate, and I want to talk to an affiliate
manager to get me approved”

When you’re on the line with an Affiliate Manager, tell him/her you’ve just
sent in your application and you would appreciate if he can get you
approved as soon as possible so that you can send traffic.

They might ask you a few simple questions like how did you find them, how
do you drive traffic, what offers do you plan to run with them etc....

Tell them your fellow members from Warrior Forum recommend them. A
couple of members there are having some success with their offers and
you’re planning to test some of those offers with your traffic.

Tell them you’re a ppc marketer and you do direct to merchant pay per clicks.

This is sufficient to “convince” them you know your stuff and to get you
approved.

Reply CPA Networks Questionnaire

A few CPA networks (normally bigger players in the market) will send you an
email requesting some information before they will approve your application.

If you need help, post it here. I'll help you with those questions.

Note: Non US residence needs to complete a W8-Ben form and submit to the
networks. If you need help to fill it up, let me know.

This post is really going to help me I feel because till now I have had no success being approved by a CPA network. now I will try once more applying what you have proposed. Thanks!

bingbong · 09-19-2009, 09:47 PM

Excellent info. Can you send me the script. Thanks

sciborg · 09-24-2009, 12:56 AM

can you send me the script please..Thank you

netflow · 09-24-2009, 07:50 AM

Thankyou so much!

That was really helpful.

TimAbbott · 09-24-2009, 12:56 PM

Hi, Please send details!

dpowermedia · 09-25-2009, 09:34 AM

For months we've been getting applications that reference "PPC" as the way they drive traffic without referencing any of their websites. And that's ok. We still look at that as a potential legitimate affiliate.

The only time we do not proceed is when we do not get a contact back (either email or phone, one or the other) or multiple applications come in with the exact same wording.

binladen · 09-25-2009, 06:44 PM

A great guide. You can send yourself the script was not?Thank you very much!

shivd · 09-26-2009, 03:04 AM

Firstly, you need to have a relevant content for your website related to the cpa product that you are willing to promote. Some CPA advertiser put geographical limitations too. You can't do anything in that case.

Also, you have to make sure that your site meets all the TOS of the CPA advertiser.

I have written some Ebooks which could help you earn good affiliate and cpa commissions.

amirudi3n · 09-26-2009, 04:11 AM

can you send me the script please..Thank you

shintaku · 09-26-2009, 08:51 AM

Hi stevenlean,
Keep doing this great work. It is good for us the CPA newbies.

ppcpimp · 09-29-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jplanigan

Got into my first CPA network today after having read this thread. Still waiting for calls from 2 other networks. I kind of hate talking to people I don't know on the phone, but with the info in this thread it was no biggie.

Anyhow, thanks a lot Steven.

another great tip to add to the script is to do a follow up call yourself. that lets the network know that you are not a bot or spammer. It shows you have true interest in getting in their network.

Don't wait for them to call, pick up the phone yourself.

robflorida · 10-02-2009, 11:23 PM

Would love to get hold of the script as well. Many thanks.
I like the way your share your success with others. I plan on
doing that too.

greatidea · 10-03-2009, 01:10 AM

can anyone help me to call CPA network for approval. ill pay high for that. add my aim: cashinservice or pm me your contact method. thanks in advance.

stevenlean · 10-28-2009, 10:45 AM

When you call them, tell them you’ve sent in your application and you would appreciate if they can get you approved as soon as possible so that you can send traffic.

They might ask you a few simple questions like

1) how did you find them,
2) how do you drive traffic,
3) what offers do you plan to run with them etc....

Tell them your fellow members from Warrior Forum recommend them. A couple of members here are having some success with their offers and you’re planning to test some of their "dating offers" with your traffic. Tell them you’re a PPC marketer.

That pretty much answered their "curiosity"

jessuccess · 11-30-2009, 09:52 PM

Thanks so much. Excellent Post! Sorry, I am new to Warrior Forum and cannot PM you. Are you able to send me the script? Have a great day!

lyfe · 12-01-2009, 01:15 PM

Thank you for your post, excellent info...I have never tried CPA but I'm thinking of giving it a try now after reading this!

May I also have that script you've been giving out? Thanks.

honestbizpro · 12-01-2009, 06:05 PM

I hear alot of talk about scripts but please keep in mind that Network staff and owners are warriors reading these threads too.

Do not apply/say anything verbatim or exact word for word. You want to be as sincere and legit as possible you can place emphasis on the fact that you like to see the offers once inside to set up mini networks tailored to that specific offer..which is what I really do anyway.

GFox · 12-01-2009, 07:47 PM

Great post, Steven. I've only had a very few networks that have turned me down, but with your insights, I am now seeing that I could have done a few things differently to get approved. Thanks!

jayinpr · 12-04-2009, 11:02 AM

Great and very helpful post. I think this is one of the biggest barriers when starting with CPA.

07-29-2009, 01:31 AM	#301
RobinX Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks hey I also need that script. thx

07-31-2009, 03:13 PM	#303
tnbig Warrior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks very good thread, thanks

07-31-2009, 04:20 PM	#304
jplanigan Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: TX Posts: 58 Thanks: 25 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Got into my first CPA network today after having read this thread. Still waiting for calls from 2 other networks. I kind of hate talking to people I don't know on the phone, but with the info in this thread it was no biggie. Anyhow, thanks a lot Steven.

08-02-2009, 03:21 AM	#305
etimon Warrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Hi, I would like you send me the free script too.... thanks

08-05-2009, 01:24 AM	#306
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08-05-2009, 04:54 AM	#307
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08-06-2009, 12:28 PM	#308
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08-07-2009, 09:52 AM	#309
tadco HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 174 Thanks: 88 Thanked 77 Times in 62 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Can you send me a script too please....Thanks. Also NevrBlue asks if I have my own internal traffic source? Are they referring to my "list" or what? Thanks Again
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08-09-2009, 12:56 PM	#310
eddywebs HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Missouri , U.S.A Posts: 359 Thanks: 6 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Hi @stevenlean , can you you om me the script for the making personal site.

08-09-2009, 01:31 PM	#311
chengnuomima Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks thank you,this is very useful guide

08-11-2009, 09:19 AM	#312
woj Warrior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks With all the post Ive read here I'm becoming more interested with CPA. steven, Can you please send me the script too?

08-11-2009, 11:39 AM	#313
SMP Steve Peirce War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Rugby, UK Posts: 114 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts Contact Info	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Thankyou for posting this Steven. I've been buying CPA leads through a third party and I have had no control over them until now so this is gold dust for me. Many thanks. Steve.

08-12-2009, 01:58 AM	#314
efrontiers Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 87 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Will this work if you are from the Philippines?
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08-12-2009, 12:37 PM	#316
szhang Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks can i also get the script, i've been having a really difficult time getting accepted into adscend media. thanks

08-12-2009, 02:29 PM	#317
amzarijim Malaya Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Malaysia Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks hi, im newbie, could you send me the script too? thank.
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08-12-2009, 11:22 PM	#318
amzarijim Malaya Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Malaysia Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks thank Steven - script
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08-18-2009, 06:16 PM	#319
Shakeel786 Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pawtucket, Rhode Island USA Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Hi Steven Can you please send me the script Thanks

08-21-2009, 05:23 AM	#321
brainless Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks hi can u sent me the free script please. Thanks

08-22-2009, 02:12 PM	#322
Roar HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hollywood, Florida Posts: 164 Thanks: 34 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks What do you say to the affiliate manager when he asks about your experience? Driving traffic methods, past campaigns, success with ppc, etc when you have no real experience.
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08-24-2009, 08:54 PM	#324
GraceT Warrior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks great info! thanks!

08-25-2009, 05:54 PM	#325
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08-26-2009, 06:48 PM	#326
Koncrete Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CT Posts: 51 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks can you please send me the script? Much appreciated.

08-29-2009, 02:49 AM	#327
behnk01 Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 82 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Steven, How many scripts do you think you've sent thus far? How much longer would people effectively be able to make this work for them? Please send me the script through pm if you feel I'd still be able to apply this way, otherwise I'll just take a day to create my own. THANKS

08-29-2009, 06:22 AM	#328
joshel Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Lots of good information here thanks

09-18-2009, 03:19 AM	#330
best8 Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks thanks man

09-18-2009, 07:20 AM	#331
Oitbbitw2007 Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks please send me this free script

09-19-2009, 09:47 PM	#333
bingbong Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Excellent info. Can you send me the script. Thanks

09-24-2009, 12:56 AM	#334
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09-24-2009, 07:50 AM	#335
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09-25-2009, 09:34 AM	#337
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09-25-2009, 06:44 PM	#338
binladen Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks A great guide. You can send yourself the script was not?Thank you very much!

09-26-2009, 03:04 AM	#339
shivd Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Firstly, you need to have a relevant content for your website related to the cpa product that you are willing to promote. Some CPA advertiser put geographical limitations too. You can't do anything in that case. Also, you have to make sure that your site meets all the TOS of the CPA advertiser. I have written some Ebooks which could help you earn good affiliate and cpa commissions.

09-26-2009, 04:11 AM	#340
amirudi3n Warrior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks can you send me the script please..Thank you

09-26-2009, 08:51 AM	#341
shintaku Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How To Get Accepted Into Any CPA Networks Hi stevenlean, Keep doing this great work. It is good for us the CPA newbies.