No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now!

TheCren · 05-11-2009, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dorim

How is what this guy is doing Forced Continuity; isn't that a definition of a monthly membership site?

How do you know he's not running a scam? Does he deliver a product for the $1.97 shipping? A product that has worth and value?

There are many CPA networks with offers like his. They wouldn't be able to offer a $2 (or less) product and payout $30-40 unless it was forced continuity. And as a previous poster said, it's buried in the TOCs (if you want you can read to find the truth).

Acai berry programs do the same thing which is why they're so popular. The customer just pays shipping and handling and then they're automatically signed up to receive 30 days worth of pills every month (or 60 days worth every 2 months - in one program I've seen) for $40-60. And you can find the same stories on those blogs. Lookup "<random female name>'s diet blog" to see those. OMG I got one on the first try

no joke lmao:

jenny's diet blog - Google Search

And I saw this lady's picture everywhere for some acai search I did! She's more popular than "Kevin/David" in a major way.

Scot Standke · 05-11-2009, 07:12 AM

TheCren,

In case you missed it, the Acai Berry promos are under heavy scrutiny from the FTC, here's an informative article on this topic:

Acai Berry Diet Weightloss Blogs Under Fire From FTC - ShoeMoney®

Just because they are everywhere does not make it right. What's the old saying, "if your friends all jump off a bridge, would you do it too?"

The use of fake testimonials is highly illegal!

It's this "look the other way" mentality that is going to eventually kill CPA as we know it.

These Acai 'fake blogs' you see everywhere use a model that is actually PhotoShopped to make it look like she lost a ton of weight and it's in no way shape or form a true story.

If you partake in these type schemes, beware that you could be getting a visit at your front door from guys in black cars and suits

The fake blogs pointed out in the original post employ much the same fake materisl including fake testimonials, names, etc.

Having said all that, there are probably 95 good continuity programs for every bad, you just need to be selective if you want to be able to sleep at night.

Scot

jcaviani · 05-11-2009, 08:52 AM

I think some of you may want to learn or relearn the definition of fraud.

It doesn't matter one iota how widely used or any of the other drivel some of you are citing as a justification. It's FRAUD!

For all you so-called gurus teaching this crapola (examples in some CPA courses using Acai Berry), your day will come too. If I were you, I might consider editing your courses or a copy may find its way to the FTC.

Forced continuity is not the issue. The issue is fake people, fake testimonials, etc. FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD!

These bull**** blogs are exactly the types of FAKE blogs the FTC considers illegal. Go ahead and become their poster child. I find it amazing that many of you have NO IDEA what Fraud is.

Btw, if any of you miscreants want to try a denial of service on my server for pointing out your scam, you had better know who you are dealing with. I will make it my life's mission to track you down like a convict who just escaped from prison - try me.

Vito

Scot Standke · 05-11-2009, 09:02 AM

Folks, a forced continuity, using small text or what have you, is not the issue here and I have no problems with that approach, the real issue is...

These folks are being lured into these scams under false pretenses, outright fraud and you are opening yourself up for a world of hurt if you knowingly promote products like these.

Ignorance is not an excuse and you will be laughed out of court if that is your defense, you are ultimately responsible for the products you promote, so make damn sure they are on the up and up before you blindly start promoting things after being blinded by the almighty $ signs.

I know of several well known CPA courses that use one of these scams as an example in their materials, so please be careful and do your due diligence before jumping into any of these things.

Scot

Finch · 05-11-2009, 11:27 AM

CPA networks don't frown upon this type of promotion at all. They encourage it.

Most affiliate managers I've worked with on these kind of promotions have offered great advice about covering the legal issues. If you know your disclaimers and your legal disclosures, you should be fine.

As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break.

When was the last time you "got laid tonight" from a CPA signup? Yeah, exactly.

It's down to the affiliate networks to approve the legitimacy of an offer before it gets accepted on to the network. I'm not gonna waste my time popping Acai bills and tipping the scales before I get the moral satisfaction that I'm allowed to make money from a bunch of naive idiots.

The flog is, and will remain, one of the best methods of promoting CPA.

jcaviani · 05-11-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Finch

CPA networks don't frown upon this type of promotion at all. They encourage it.

Most affiliate managers I've worked with on these kind of promotions have offered great advice about covering the legal issues. If you know your disclaimers and your legal disclosures, you should be fine.

As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break.

When was the last time you "got laid tonight" from a CPA signup? Yeah, exactly.

It's down to the affiliate networks to approve the legitimacy of an offer before it gets accepted on to the network. I'm not gonna waste my time popping Acai bills and tipping the scales before I get the moral satisfaction that I'm allowed to make money from a bunch of naive idiots.

The flog is, and will remain, one of the best methods of promoting CPA.

Wow, now that post is truly pathetic. Do you want us to take you seriously or should we just forget about your comments like you forget about reviewing products before promoting them - unreal. I think your hat is a bit too tight.

"naive idiots"

"As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break."

Could you be any more brazen? Maybe you should tell people they can rob a bank too as long as they know their disclaimers.

Man, you certainly didn't learn your ethics from mainstream Warriors. I had to check your post again to see if I read it right.

All is fair in selling and stealing until you or one of your family members is targeted. Then, you find a way to make the instant metamorphosis to victim status and whine like a piglet.

AdamsRib · 05-11-2009, 12:10 PM

Hi Scot. Yep. I clicked on the link and only saw a link to an MSN story on mind-controlling wasps. Maybe your detective work made him fly away.

Finch · 05-11-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jcaviani

Wow, now that post is truly pathetic. Do you want us to take you seriously or should we just forget about your comments like you forget about reviewing products before promoting them - unreal. I think your hat is a bit too tight.

So you've personally tried and tested every last product you ever linked to? Uh huh. I'm sure the majority of the successful earners in the affiliate marketing industry will be with you on that one...

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Could you be any more brazen? Maybe you should tell people they can rob a bank too as long as they know their disclaimers.

It's an aggressive sales push. You don't make money by politely asking people "hey like guys, I've got this product, can you like buy it please?"

When I look at the list of offers in my affiliate networks, I assume that those offers have passed quality check and that they aren't going to be scams. I don't like scams any more than the next person. But the rebill is NOT a scam. It's a tactic used mainstream and as long as the terms are stated, it's all legal buddy.

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Man, you certainly didn't learn your ethics from mainstream Warriors. I had to check your post again to see if I read it right.

Ethics? People are generally stupid. People will generally waste their money on stupid things they don't need. I don't condone scam offers at all, but if the terms are stated and they still go ahead with the purchase, that's their risk assessment.

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All is fair in selling and stealing until you or one of your family members is targeted. Then, you find a way to make the instant metamorphosis to victim status and whine like a piglet.

Right, okay. Tell me how promoting an offer on an affiliate network is stealing? There's no way for an affiliate to tell whether an offer is a scam without trying it.

All the guys who promote dating on the web - did they sign up personally and meet their wives there? Most of all marketing is appealing to the best case scenario. The reality rarely sells.

In this case, the flog is merely a web version of the infomercial and about a thousand other examples. Is it REALLY news that affiliates are creating fake testimonials to send traffic to an offer? This stuff has been going on for years.

The scams are just that, scams. Don't get them mixed up with controversial marketing tactics.

Scot Standke · 05-11-2009, 02:28 PM

Here is the exact statement from the "FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING" located here:

FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING

"§255.1 General considerations.

(a) Endorsements must always reflect the honest opinions, findings, beliefs, or experience of the endorser. Furthermore, they may not contain any representations which would be deceptive, or could not be substantiated if made directly by the advertiser. [See Example 2 to Guide 3 (§255.3) illustrating that a valid endorsement may constitute all or part of an advertiser's substantiation.]"

Now, I'm not arguing that it's not prevalent or that many people get caught doing it, but this is a fact and everyone should be aware of it in their marketing tactics if they want to sleep at night.

Scot

Finch · 05-11-2009, 02:57 PM

And the day that consideration is enforced properly will be the day hell freezes over. It's a logistical nightmare.

Not to mention, the FTC isn't directly applicable to all international markets.

AffiliateMax · 05-11-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by greenovni

Re-billing monthly and hiding it in some very small print = forced continuity

Not quite - it's called hidden forced continuity.
Forced Continuity : Internet Business Coaching by Terry Dean

Anyone who thinks that marketing this way is 'okay' should probably read this:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/busi...erce/bus41.pdf

Gauher Chaudhry did a blog post and video on this recently:
Story Telling To Sell CPA Offers @ Pay Per Click Formula II Launch Blog

Those who don't 'get' the moral/ ethical argument should at least consider the legal one.

If you think being an 'affiliate' is some kind of 'get out clause' then maybe the advice of a lawyer might make you reconsider that position:
Micro-CONtinuity: Internet Continuity Scams Abusing a Good Idea : Internet Law and Business Blog

Elliott · 05-11-2009, 08:50 PM

This sounds like the scam - and it IS a scam - these folks are complaining about.
Make Google Cash Complaints - I want to stop this program

The gist of it is, you get a CD for the cost of shipping, usually just $1 or $2, but then you get charged $70-$80. 7 days later, and then $70 or $80 every month thereafter. Often there is no way to cancel, because they don't answer the phone or respond to emails, so they keep charging you every month. Sometimes they require you to download a form you must mail in, in order to cancel, but they don't respond to your requests for the link to the download page.

Also, it says specifically in their TOS that you must request a refund within 7 days or you don't get one.

It's totally a scam.

Elliott

Harvey Affcash · 05-12-2009, 02:04 AM

All the info here, it spins my head around and around... It's slowly becoming ever so much meat, and then that meat spins some more....
This is definitely a fast way to make monies online though, even if it's not legal.

Elliott · 05-12-2009, 02:23 AM

It's not just "not legal", it's just plain stealing money from people who usually can't afford it, and find out too late they've been had. To me, the issue with some of these programs is not just that the landing pages are dishonest, but that behind the landing page is someone who is just out to get your money and in some cases deliver nothing at all to you, plus they have the gall to charge you monthly without providing a way for you to cancel, much less get your money back.
At least the acai continuity programs usually do send out product - some of these others like "Make Google Cash" supposedly provide a membership, websites, tools etc, but actually never even send any kind of welcome email with log-in info.
They just take people's money.
That in my book, is a "scam".

Elliott

jcaviani · 05-12-2009, 08:49 AM

What I find really sad and not at all isolated in the IM world is the number of people who find numerous ways to justify fraud.

It's not aggressive marketing or any other euphemism you choose, it's fraud. I hope that seeps into some of the thick skulls out there.

It' s not okay because everyone is doing it, it's fraud.

Complicit in this bit of fraud is the media company advertising this abomination as well as the online newspapers where this particular company (to remain nameless to preserve the thread even though their name should be broadcast) places its ads.

This thread is not about the forced continuity, which is legal. It's about a blog that contains the same story over and over again under multiple names. It's about phony testimonials. It's about deceit.

Take a good look at this word - FRAUD. Look it up. Talking to some of you about this issue is a bit like talking to my teenager. He knows everything yet is unemeployed.

Oh, and thanks for the life lesson, Finch, but I think you at least need to be able to grow a beard before you've got anything to teach me about how the world works.

Finch · 05-12-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jcaviani

What I find really sad and not at all isolated in the IM world is the number of people who find numerous ways to justify fraud.

It's not aggressive marketing or any other euphemism you choose, it's fraud. I hope that seeps into some of the thick skulls out there.

It' s not okay because everyone is doing it, it's fraud.

Complicit in this bit of fraud is the media company advertising this abomination as well as the online newspapers where this particular company (to remain nameless to preserve the thread even though their name should be broadcast) places its ads.

This thread is not about the forced continuity, which is legal. It's about a blog that contains the same story over and over again under multiple names. It's about phony testimonials. It's about deceit.

Take a good look at this word - FRAUD. Look it up. Talking to some of you about this issue is a bit like talking to my teenager. He knows everything yet is unemeployed.

I know exactly what the word means and how it's implied, but the web is full of so many BS double standards that you're simply not going to find action taken against a fake testimonial on any widespread level. So what's your point? You don't like it? I don't like the number of signatures around this place telling me "blah blah blah buy this ebook and make $$$ a day like me". There's absolutely no difference!

If you were to nail every last fake testimonial for fraud, the web would be a much smaller place and half the CPA networks would fold.

You might not LIKE it, but it's the reality of the situation. There's no way of legally and viably removing every last fake testimonial from the web - how are you going to prove it? - legal action will continue to be restricted to the merchant's liability, the one directly responsible for scamming a customer. I wouldn't promote a single questionable rebill offer if I hadn't run that by every single one of my affiliate managers.

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Oh, and thanks for the life lesson, Finch, but I think you at least need to be able to grow a beard before you've got anything to teach me about how the world works.

Right, and I'd care how you see the world if I wasn't already earning four figures a day to pay for the razor that shaves my face.

jcaviani · 05-12-2009, 10:37 AM

Finch,

Why do I always see the word BUT in your posts.

blah, blah, blah, but..... then come the endless rationalizations about what a ****hole the web is and how it's pointless to follow the law - great philosophy.

Once you graduate from your bottom feeding business models, you'll find businesses generally don't like to commit fraud. It's usually confined to mindless numb skulls who have little to lose. People who are committed to being in business for more than 5 minutes require a clean reputation and generally don't like their assets being seized, receiving large fines or spending time in the gulag eating ramens from a plate.

I'm thinking about starting a crack business. You want to join me? You can do sales and marketing and I'll do production and testing. Everyone on Urban street corners in the US is doing it, why fight it.

We'll do addiction as our business model - the street thugs version of auto-rebill

You just keep writing. I'm enjoying your view of the world and business value.

Finch · 05-12-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jcaviani

Finch,

Why do I always see the word BUT in your posts.

blah, blah, blah, but..... then come the endless rationalizations about what a ****hole the web is and how it's pointless to follow the law - great philosophy.

Once you graduate from your bottom feeding business models, you'll find businesses generally don't like to commit fraud. It's usually confined to mindless numb skulls who have little to lose. People who are committed to being in business for more than 5 minutes require a clean reputation and generally don't like their assets being seized, receiving large fines or spending time in the gulag eating ramens from a plate.

I'm thinking about starting a crack business. You want to join me? You can do sales and marketing and I'll do production and testing. Everyone on Urban street corners in the US is doing it, why fight it.

We'll do addiction as our business model - the street thugs version of auto-rebill

You just keep writing. I'm enjoying your view of the world and business value.

If you think a large majority of the highest earning affiliates on the web haven't tried this business model, you're pretty much walking blind.

Don't you find it funny how a search for Acai Berry throws up results consisting 95% of lying testimonials and fake reviews that you claim to be no more than doomed business models?

Yeah, I highly doubt the guys who succeed in that niche market are going out of business anytime soon.

To an extent you're right. There IS a risk attached to this business model. That's why you'd have to be an idiot to pin all of your income on it.

The key to success is diversifying and having some nice squeaky clean White Hat money sites to cover all bases. And any shady-offer promoting affiliate with any sense will be just as successful, probably more so, in that particular field.

To go back to the original point though:

It's a wonder why so many CPA networks reject applications because of this?

I've never had any issue with flogs, and I've run them by most of the major affiliate networks. Most of them see it as money in the bank. You can bet your bottom dollar that reps from certain networks are running the damn offers themselves.

jcaviani · 05-12-2009, 11:37 AM

Finch,

It sometimes takes a while, but eventually the scammers are forfeiting their ill gotten gains to one alphabet agency or another.

Group challenges acai berry weight-loss claims - CNN.com

You might want to talk to a few of the more prominent internet marketers about it. I can name three right off the top of my head who have been bitch slapped and there's a growing knowledge base of experience from which to learn.

To make amends, they all find God or apologize from behind sun glasses, but their practices really don't change and money remains their true God. They just repent and proclaim they are changed men and it's off to the next scam. To make matters worse, the web has a very short memory, so reinventing one's self if fairy easy.

Somehow you have equated efficacy and pervasiveness of practice with ethical. I'm sure you would make Madoff proud. Now opening, "Weekend @ Bernie's" Seminar. Looking for all individuals with the moral compass of an Auschwitz guard. People who follow the rules need not apply. You are just chumps.

Finch · 05-12-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jcaviani

Finch,

It sometimes takes a while, but eventually the scammers are forfeiting their ill gotten gains to one alphabet agency or another.

Group challenges acai berry weight-loss claims - CNN.com

Umm, congratulations on finding an article featuring another bottomless promise of a crackdown and a lawsuit.

These were doing the rounds 4 years ago and still you'll find the actual action taken to be a drop in an ocean. Affiliates and affiliate managers have been scoffing at threats like these for god knows how long.

I don't see the competition in the acai berry market declining anytime soon, so what's your point?

Powder_Skier · 05-12-2009, 12:20 PM

Thanks for all the detective work - and for a good laugh! Interesting script too - hmmmmm LOL!!

AffiliateMax · 05-12-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scot Standke

Hey gang,

Check this out:

Make Money Online - Working From Home Doing Simple Typing and Data Entry

DO NOT! I REPEAT, DO NOT ORDER THIS!

There is a thread about that url on DP:
I make $5,000 p/month with Google

There are loads of these 'flogs' (fake blogs):
Scam Alert Website Lists | wafflesatnoon.com
Money Making Scams: "Kevin"
BradsMoney - Where's that Government Check?

jcaviani · 05-12-2009, 12:56 PM

Finch,

I think I've made my point and I think you've made yours. You think it's okay to make money any way you can make it, while I don't. You admittedly know the difference, yet it doesn't matter. You have a rationalization for everything.

Even though I possess some of the best technical skills in the business, I choose restraint over a feeding frenzy. In the long run in business, your sense of ethics matters. I simply do not subscribe to the "everyone is doing it so it's okay" philosophy.

It's funny, in all of your rationalizations, never once have you mentioned the phrase creating value. You speak of naive idiots, flogs and have an endless supply of explanations for unethical behavior, but somehow the word value seems to elude you.

I don't agree with your viewpoints nor do I find any comfort in knowing there are hundreds more like you seeking Easy Button riches where the end (making money) justifies the means (by an means necessary) and just as many IM pushers who will supply the "Dream of Easy Riches in Your Underwear" elixir to anyone with a credit card. People with that dream and little knowledge don't deserve to be treated like chumps.

I have made my point and I don't need to go around and around with you while you try to justify your existence. Something tells me you will find endless ways to justify your **** sandwiches, but they are still ****.

Business is about creating value. If you can't do that then it's all just digital pollution.

Until you tweet again...

Fox30 · 05-12-2009, 01:41 PM

I think this thread needs to die already.

Finch · 05-12-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jcaviani

It's funny, in all of your rationalizations, never once have you mentioned the phrase creating value. You speak of naive idiots, flogs and have an endless supply of explanations for unethical behavior, but somehow the word value seems to elude you.

Why would I talk about something completely unrelated? If you want to discuss value, let's do it somewhere else. I've built and developed dozens of white hat "value sites" that exist to provide something useful to the end user. Maybe you should open your mind a little to the idea that ethics are rarely black and white.

You're essentially labeling anybody who promotes a rebill as a scammer, a fraud and a contradiction to your ethics. Well boohoo you, Go make some money another way.

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I have made my point and I don't need to go around and around with you while you try to justify your existence. Something tells me you will find endless ways to justify your **** sandwiches, but they are still ****.

Far out, dude. My existence? That's pretty meaningful.

Your opinion is what it is. I don't personally care what you think of my business, because you know little to nothing about it. You've read a couple of posts and tarred the way I make money in the same tiring cliche. You talk about going round in circles with me, yet you don't seem to be getting any closer to a point other than that you don't agree with me, that it's ethically wrong, and blah blah blah. I'm not saying whether fake blogs are right or wrong. I'm saying they exist, they're profitable and it's highly unlikely that many of their authors are going to care about what some dude on Warrior Forum thinks of them.

As it goes, I spend very little of my time creating flogs - and the majority of my working day is geared towards the white hat squeaky clean enterprise you seem to crave. But don't let that warp your opinion, okay?

unlanthony · 05-12-2009, 02:29 PM

Holy Crap,

Great Job Scott :-)
The freaking scammers are giving this industry a bad name, again great job busting Kevin... Kyle... Jeremy...Bill, oh I give up! I'll just call him Scammer!

unlanthony · 05-12-2009, 02:51 PM

You know I was going thru PPC Fraud and i am totally overwhelmed with the amount of fraudulent PPC advertisers that signed up to our network, i am new to WF and to forums, there are so many enlightening and interesting posts here. Thanks All!

Lol, i tried to insert my post about Fraus and PPC, i don't have enough posts to insert links yet. But you can check it out under the title below on WF.

Fraud, Fraud, Fraud and PPC, Please Help

jcaviani · 05-12-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Finch

You're essentially labeling anybody who promotes a rebill as a scammer

I have no argument with rebilling. Rebilling was around way before the internet, as were most of the techniques I see on the internet being claimed as new. The ONLY thing new about most of them is that they are on the internet now too.

Please read what I wrote.

Anyway, you're right, we know little about each other, so it's time to chill.

I have no argument with you really. You just touched a nerve when you appeared to be defending Fraud.

Fraud makes is harder for all of us. When the press or governments get a hold of this type of information, they tend to make broad sweeping generalizations and polices that cut an indiscriminate swath through a whole industry.

Then, the general public being the beacon of discernment that it is, tends to make even more thoughtless fear based generalizations and the cycle spirals out of control, we lose all credibility and it take years to recover.

As for squeaky clean, I'm afraid you have me confused with someone else. There are few around who know me as Vito and I have done more than my share of BlueFart. However, I have always drawn the line at breaking the law.

The sad and unintended consequence of this thread is that there are probably people out there right now scrambling to set this up because they know they can get away with it.

artlynch · 05-15-2009, 11:25 AM

Very, very interesting!

Within the 5 minutes It took me to read the posts in this forum and check some of the links, all that I click on now are, inactive, not in service, offer expired or parked.

The man works fast!

brendan301 · 05-15-2009, 11:51 AM

networks are beginning to crack down on fake blogs. I've seen on a couple offers where they're prohibiting that type of traffic. of course you could get around that with redirects.

Scot Standke · 05-15-2009, 12:08 PM

The Feds are already taking action on this very thing, check out this thread here for more details:

98% Of Salesletters To Become Illegal Soon? What's The Warrior Solution? :)

This will effect anyone that sells anything online so I suggest you read this right away!

Scot

tschlotter · 05-20-2009, 01:27 PM

Fascinating, I checked out a few of the sites and the script said one guy was from Clarksville, TN (my hometown) and the other from Chapmansboro (close by) - wonder if someone is selling the actual blog site script, templates and/or photos for people to use for CPA stuff? Not that I'd be interested or anything, but I bet someone's making money off of the setup besides just the CPA and affiliates, unless of course it is all the same guy!!

Chris R Motive · 05-20-2009, 02:17 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- this is classic

BX2BK · 05-21-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by unlanthony

You know I was going thru PPC Fraud and i am totally overwhelmed with the amount of fraudulent PPC advertisers that signed up to our network...

hi,, if you check out more of this forum you will see that there are threads which tell people how to get accepted to cpa networks. one of them is to tell them you do ppc marketing and use industry jargon to sound legit.

i think many networks will start cracking down hard the same way they have on incentive publishers.

redicelander · 05-21-2009, 04:01 AM

? Incentive publishers? There are still plenty of offers on all major networks that expressly allow and want incentive publishers. Nothing wrong with it, no crackdown.

The only thing would be of course, those who use incentives where they are prohibited.

tschlotter · 05-21-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by herebuythis

Are you all really suprised that this kind of ad is a scam?

I'm actually more surprised that your domain name cpamonkey is set up to redirect to an affiliate site. Hopefully you're still working on the site, thus have it set up that way - it's kind of a cool domain name to waste in my opinion (which hasn't been worth much lately anyway!!).

Also, personally I think the CPA companies are fine with the fake blogs, etc., they actually get traffic from the market they're shooting for even if the claims aren't accurate on the website the people that take them up on their offer have a definite interest in the product.

Seems like leads would be a lot worse from the sites that pay you to sign up for stuff (or not, whichever the case may be) because most people just sign up to get paid and don't give a crap about the actual offer, and those sites shouldn't be approved for CPA - but obviously hundreds are and are maing a killing.

My point is if I were paying a CPA company to advertise my site, I wouldn't want it on a pay-per type site at all and, if it were relating to making money online, the fake blog leads would probably work much better.

Sorry to ramble you all - I'm taking a break from feeding a baby bird that we found last night - the things you do for your kids are amazing eh?

Tian

BX2BK · 05-21-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redicelander

? Incentive publishers? There are still plenty of offers on all major networks that expressly allow and want incentive publishers. Nothing wrong with it, no crackdown.

actually several big name networks stopped doing incent altogether.

linclad · 05-21-2009, 08:32 PM

Gee thanks guys!!

I was starting to look at CPA..

linclad · 05-21-2009, 08:33 PM

Looks like Kevin's back!!

Shellfish · 05-22-2009, 08:22 PM

Kevin, his aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, stepsisters, 3rd cousin removed and a grandmother or two have taken over!

I went via a proxy in Mongolia and Harry lives right next door in Ulaanbaatar! Amazing.

Do a big G search in quotes.

"A year ago I was an account manager for a (drum roll) a pipe manufacturing"

Do a reverse domain on a few of them and it's pretty funny what other stuff he's into.

Hereandthere · 05-22-2009, 08:38 PM

I am reading things in the cpa section to consider doing something, but it sure sounds like I would have to do a huge amount of research to figure out which claims were legit. Think I'll just go back to the dog training ebook I've got half done.

VaibhaV KumaR · 05-22-2009, 08:48 PM

Quite a engaging debate goin on here but if its like forced continuity and people have no way to cancel, then why can't they just call up their CC company and ask them to stop payments or even report the merchant? Too easy eh? Am I missing something?

j hogan · 05-24-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VaibhaV KumaR

Quite a engaging debate goin on here but if its like forced continuity and people have no way to cancel, then why can't they just call up their CC company and ask them to stop payments or even report the merchant? Too easy eh? Am I missing something?

I just wanted to point out that it's not that easy to cancel an authorised payment on your credit card, even though it seems you should have this authority, you actually don't, once you give out your details you are authorsing the company to bill you card, only they can stop it.

I got caught up in a forced continuity billing for an offline business that sold a product by mail order a few years ago. At the time it was promoted by a well known TV presenter on morning television. I made repeated calls to my credit card company and wrote letters to them to get the payment stopped. I was repeatedly told that since I had made the intial authorisation, (by giving them my cc number) that I had no authority to cancel it with the cc company.
yeah unbelievable!!

I persisted with fighting this, wrote regular letters sent by registered post, and sough help through the dept of fair trading and 18 months later I got my refund with interest from the cc company ( who I will never deal with again I might add!) most people give up.

so rebilling is not always easy to cancel if the company running it is scamming you.

Shellfish · 05-24-2009, 02:17 PM

For folks caught up in it this would not help much but in the future one could use a vcc loaded with $75 or whatever for the grey area stuff and if they don't let you off the hook, good luck charging the card.

honestbizpro · 05-24-2009, 02:19 PM

This thread is a bit confusing. It states "No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now!"

So is that a comment about advertisers or publishers?

CPA is one of the easiest ways to make money, and yes it can be complicated too just like any other form of marketing.

In most cases, You do not have to sell a thing and get paid for it!

The money you can make in CPA is incredible.

Yes trial offers are hugely popular and allow you to make some serious cash, but you do not have to promote them. There are plenty different types of offers from jewelry, to dating, to almost anything.

Brent Crouch · 05-25-2009, 11:01 AM

The blog isn't so convincing. What I found very convincing was a news site this guy had setup. I found this thread attempting to find it. I was unable to do so because you'll notice these scam pages are set to noindex.

The "news site" I seen seemed legit. I've been around a while and know these type of things are scams, but when I seen an article on a site that appeared to be the LA Times, I started to wonder if there really was something out there this easy that I didn't know about.

Luckily, I did my research first and finally realized the news site was a fake. I just wished I would have kept the url.

AffiliateMax · 05-25-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent Crouch

The blog isn't so convincing. What I found very convincing was a news site this guy had setup. I found this thread attempting to find it. I was unable to do so because you'll notice these scam pages are set to noindex.

The "news site" I seen seemed legit. I've been around a while and know these type of things are scams, but when I seen an article on a site that appeared to be the LA Times, I started to wonder if there really was something out there this easy that I didn't know about.

Luckily, I did my research first and finally realized the news site was a fake. I just wished I would have kept the url.

This one?
The Los Angeles Tribune News Scam | The Electron Plumber

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Mary Laine · 05-25-2009, 05:31 PM

OMG!! Do you mean that people actually photoshop Google checks? Hahaha I meant, do you mean that people actually DON'T photoshop Google checks and clickbank earnings statements?
Seriously, thanks Scott, really this opened my eyes a lot. I will watch out for the forced continutity, that should be illegal!

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Originally Posted by Markus_Allen

I posted this on another thread that got ignored.

All you have to do is look at Google checks to see that they're heavily Photoshopped:

Just zoom in on this graphic:

Many other "famous" marketers faked it 'til they made it with faked Google AdSense checks... check this out:

HOLY CRAP - Gurus Show Us Fake Google AdSense Checks

Here's another image of a check from Kevin... we know it's fake because the check number in the MICR code doesn't match:

Plus Google only uses one font on their checks, not two (unless they've changed things since my last check).

Sloppy faking if you ask me.

TimRobinson · 05-26-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by brownhatter

Wow so many clueless ...

Everyone quick to call something fraud or spam when it very acceptable to CPA Network ... Don't worry about it just make the money if they say ok !!

Get off your high horse and start making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

hahaha

Totally man, I should just go and rob a few banks while I'm at it.

Easy millions coming my way!

unlanthony · 05-26-2009, 02:31 PM

[QUOTE=honestbizpro;813227]This thread is a bit confusing. It states "No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now!"

So is that a comment about advertisers or publishers?

I totally agree!

05-11-2009, 07:12 AM	#52
Scot Standke Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oshkosh B'Gosh Posts: 1,305 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 28 Thanked 137 Times in 42 Posts Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! TheCren, In case you missed it, the Acai Berry promos are under heavy scrutiny from the FTC, here's an informative article on this topic: Acai Berry Diet Weightloss Blogs Under Fire From FTC - ShoeMoney® Just because they are everywhere does not make it right. What's the old saying, "if your friends all jump off a bridge, would you do it too?" The use of fake testimonials is highly illegal! It's this "look the other way" mentality that is going to eventually kill CPA as we know it. These Acai 'fake blogs' you see everywhere use a model that is actually PhotoShopped to make it look like she lost a ton of weight and it's in no way shape or form a true story. If you partake in these type schemes, beware that you could be getting a visit at your front door from guys in black cars and suits The fake blogs pointed out in the original post employ much the same fake materisl including fake testimonials, names, etc. Having said all that, there are probably 95 good continuity programs for every bad, you just need to be selective if you want to be able to sleep at night. Scot
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05-11-2009, 08:52 AM	#53
jcaviani 1 of almost 7 Billion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 326 Thanks: 0 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! I think some of you may want to learn or relearn the definition of fraud. It doesn't matter one iota how widely used or any of the other drivel some of you are citing as a justification. It's FRAUD! For all you so-called gurus teaching this crapola (examples in some CPA courses using Acai Berry), your day will come too. If I were you, I might consider editing your courses or a copy may find its way to the FTC. Forced continuity is not the issue. The issue is fake people, fake testimonials, etc. FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD! These bull**** blogs are exactly the types of FAKE blogs the FTC considers illegal. Go ahead and become their poster child. I find it amazing that many of you have NO IDEA what Fraud is. Btw, if any of you miscreants want to try a denial of service on my server for pointing out your scam, you had better know who you are dealing with. I will make it my life's mission to track you down like a convict who just escaped from prison - try me. Vito

05-11-2009, 09:02 AM	#54
Scot Standke Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oshkosh B'Gosh Posts: 1,305 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 28 Thanked 137 Times in 42 Posts Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Folks, a forced continuity, using small text or what have you, is not the issue here and I have no problems with that approach, the real issue is... These folks are being lured into these scams under false pretenses, outright fraud and you are opening yourself up for a world of hurt if you knowingly promote products like these. Ignorance is not an excuse and you will be laughed out of court if that is your defense, you are ultimately responsible for the products you promote, so make damn sure they are on the up and up before you blindly start promoting things after being blinded by the almighty $ signs. I know of several well known CPA courses that use one of these scams as an example in their materials, so please be careful and do your due diligence before jumping into any of these things. Scot
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05-11-2009, 11:27 AM	#55
Finch Affiliate Marketer Join Date: May 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! CPA networks don't frown upon this type of promotion at all. They encourage it. Most affiliate managers I've worked with on these kind of promotions have offered great advice about covering the legal issues. If you know your disclaimers and your legal disclosures, you should be fine. As for checking up on a product before you promote it...give me a break. When was the last time you "got laid tonight" from a CPA signup? Yeah, exactly. It's down to the affiliate networks to approve the legitimacy of an offer before it gets accepted on to the network. I'm not gonna waste my time popping Acai bills and tipping the scales before I get the moral satisfaction that I'm allowed to make money from a bunch of naive idiots. The flog is, and will remain, one of the best methods of promoting CPA.
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05-11-2009, 12:10 PM	#57
AdamsRib Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Hi Scot. Yep. I clicked on the link and only saw a link to an MSN story on mind-controlling wasps. Maybe your detective work made him fly away.

05-11-2009, 02:28 PM	#59
Scot Standke Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oshkosh B'Gosh Posts: 1,305 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 28 Thanked 137 Times in 42 Posts Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Here is the exact statement from the "FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING" located here: FTC GUIDES CONCERNING USE OF ENDORSEMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS IN ADVERTISING "§255.1 General considerations. (a) Endorsements must always reflect the honest opinions, findings, beliefs, or experience of the endorser. Furthermore, they may not contain any representations which would be deceptive, or could not be substantiated if made directly by the advertiser. [See Example 2 to Guide 3 (§255.3) illustrating that a valid endorsement may constitute all or part of an advertiser's substantiation.]" Now, I'm not arguing that it's not prevalent or that many people get caught doing it, but this is a fact and everyone should be aware of it in their marketing tactics if they want to sleep at night. Scot
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05-11-2009, 02:57 PM	#60
Finch Affiliate Marketer Join Date: May 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! And the day that consideration is enforced properly will be the day hell freezes over. It's a logistical nightmare. Not to mention, the FTC isn't directly applicable to all international markets.
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05-11-2009, 08:50 PM	#62
Elliott Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ann Arbor MI Posts: 1,297 Thanks: 32 Thanked 49 Times in 42 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! This sounds like the scam - and it IS a scam - these folks are complaining about. Make Google Cash Complaints - I want to stop this program The gist of it is, you get a CD for the cost of shipping, usually just $1 or $2, but then you get charged $70-$80. 7 days later, and then $70 or $80 every month thereafter. Often there is no way to cancel, because they don't answer the phone or respond to emails, so they keep charging you every month. Sometimes they require you to download a form you must mail in, in order to cancel, but they don't respond to your requests for the link to the download page. Also, it says specifically in their TOS that you must request a refund within 7 days or you don't get one. It's totally a scam. Elliott
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05-12-2009, 02:04 AM	#63
Harvey Affcash Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 68 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! All the info here, it spins my head around and around... It's slowly becoming ever so much meat, and then that meat spins some more.... This is definitely a fast way to make monies online though, even if it's not legal.
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05-12-2009, 02:23 AM	#64
Elliott Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ann Arbor MI Posts: 1,297 Thanks: 32 Thanked 49 Times in 42 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! It's not just "not legal", it's just plain stealing money from people who usually can't afford it, and find out too late they've been had. To me, the issue with some of these programs is not just that the landing pages are dishonest, but that behind the landing page is someone who is just out to get your money and in some cases deliver nothing at all to you, plus they have the gall to charge you monthly without providing a way for you to cancel, much less get your money back. At least the acai continuity programs usually do send out product - some of these others like "Make Google Cash" supposedly provide a membership, websites, tools etc, but actually never even send any kind of welcome email with log-in info. They just take people's money. That in my book, is a "scam". Elliott
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05-12-2009, 08:49 AM	#65
jcaviani 1 of almost 7 Billion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 326 Thanks: 0 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! What I find really sad and not at all isolated in the IM world is the number of people who find numerous ways to justify fraud. It's not aggressive marketing or any other euphemism you choose, it's fraud. I hope that seeps into some of the thick skulls out there. It' s not okay because everyone is doing it, it's fraud. Complicit in this bit of fraud is the media company advertising this abomination as well as the online newspapers where this particular company (to remain nameless to preserve the thread even though their name should be broadcast) places its ads. This thread is not about the forced continuity, which is legal. It's about a blog that contains the same story over and over again under multiple names. It's about phony testimonials. It's about deceit. Take a good look at this word - FRAUD. Look it up. Talking to some of you about this issue is a bit like talking to my teenager. He knows everything yet is unemeployed. Oh, and thanks for the life lesson, Finch, but I think you at least need to be able to grow a beard before you've got anything to teach me about how the world works.

05-12-2009, 10:37 AM	#67
jcaviani 1 of almost 7 Billion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 326 Thanks: 0 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Finch, Why do I always see the word BUT in your posts. blah, blah, blah, but..... then come the endless rationalizations about what a ****hole the web is and how it's pointless to follow the law - great philosophy. Once you graduate from your bottom feeding business models, you'll find businesses generally don't like to commit fraud. It's usually confined to mindless numb skulls who have little to lose. People who are committed to being in business for more than 5 minutes require a clean reputation and generally don't like their assets being seized, receiving large fines or spending time in the gulag eating ramens from a plate. I'm thinking about starting a crack business. You want to join me? You can do sales and marketing and I'll do production and testing. Everyone on Urban street corners in the US is doing it, why fight it. We'll do addiction as our business model - the street thugs version of auto-rebill You just keep writing. I'm enjoying your view of the world and business value.

05-12-2009, 11:37 AM	#69
jcaviani 1 of almost 7 Billion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 326 Thanks: 0 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Finch, It sometimes takes a while, but eventually the scammers are forfeiting their ill gotten gains to one alphabet agency or another. Group challenges acai berry weight-loss claims - CNN.com You might want to talk to a few of the more prominent internet marketers about it. I can name three right off the top of my head who have been bitch slapped and there's a growing knowledge base of experience from which to learn. To make amends, they all find God or apologize from behind sun glasses, but their practices really don't change and money remains their true God. They just repent and proclaim they are changed men and it's off to the next scam. To make matters worse, the web has a very short memory, so reinventing one's self if fairy easy. Somehow you have equated efficacy and pervasiveness of practice with ethical. I'm sure you would make Madoff proud. Now opening, "Weekend @ Bernie's" Seminar. Looking for all individuals with the moral compass of an Auschwitz guard. People who follow the rules need not apply. You are just chumps.

05-12-2009, 12:20 PM	#71
Powder_Skier Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Near Salt lake City Utah, USA. Posts: 52 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Thanks for all the detective work - and for a good laugh! Interesting script too - hmmmmm LOL!!

05-12-2009, 12:56 PM	#73
jcaviani 1 of almost 7 Billion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 326 Thanks: 0 Thanked 31 Times in 17 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Finch, I think I've made my point and I think you've made yours. You think it's okay to make money any way you can make it, while I don't. You admittedly know the difference, yet it doesn't matter. You have a rationalization for everything. Even though I possess some of the best technical skills in the business, I choose restraint over a feeding frenzy. In the long run in business, your sense of ethics matters. I simply do not subscribe to the "everyone is doing it so it's okay" philosophy. It's funny, in all of your rationalizations, never once have you mentioned the phrase creating value. You speak of naive idiots, flogs and have an endless supply of explanations for unethical behavior, but somehow the word value seems to elude you. I don't agree with your viewpoints nor do I find any comfort in knowing there are hundreds more like you seeking Easy Button riches where the end (making money) justifies the means (by an means necessary) and just as many IM pushers who will supply the "Dream of Easy Riches in Your Underwear" elixir to anyone with a credit card. People with that dream and little knowledge don't deserve to be treated like chumps. I have made my point and I don't need to go around and around with you while you try to justify your existence. Something tells me you will find endless ways to justify your ** sandwiches, but they are still **. Business is about creating value. If you can't do that then it's all just digital pollution. Until you tweet again...

05-12-2009, 01:41 PM	#74
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05-12-2009, 02:29 PM	#76
unlanthony Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Holy Crap, Great Job Scott :-) The freaking scammers are giving this industry a bad name, again great job busting Kevin... Kyle... Jeremy...Bill, oh I give up! I'll just call him Scammer!

05-12-2009, 02:51 PM	#77
unlanthony Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! You know I was going thru PPC Fraud and i am totally overwhelmed with the amount of fraudulent PPC advertisers that signed up to our network, i am new to WF and to forums, there are so many enlightening and interesting posts here. Thanks All! Lol, i tried to insert my post about Fraus and PPC, i don't have enough posts to insert links yet. But you can check it out under the title below on WF. Fraud, Fraud, Fraud and PPC, Please Help

05-15-2009, 11:25 AM	#79
artlynch Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Very, very interesting! Within the 5 minutes It took me to read the posts in this forum and check some of the links, all that I click on now are, inactive, not in service, offer expired or parked. The man works fast!
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05-15-2009, 11:51 AM	#80
brendan301 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: , , USA. Posts: 207 Thanks: 18 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! networks are beginning to crack down on fake blogs. I've seen on a couple offers where they're prohibiting that type of traffic. of course you could get around that with redirects.
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05-15-2009, 12:08 PM	#81
Scot Standke Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Oshkosh B'Gosh Posts: 1,305 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 28 Thanked 137 Times in 42 Posts Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! The Feds are already taking action on this very thing, check out this thread here for more details: 98% Of Salesletters To Become Illegal Soon? What's The Warrior Solution? :) This will effect anyone that sells anything online so I suggest you read this right away! Scot
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05-20-2009, 01:27 PM	#82
tschlotter Active Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Clarksville, Tennessee, USA. Posts: 78 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Fascinating, I checked out a few of the sites and the script said one guy was from Clarksville, TN (my hometown) and the other from Chapmansboro (close by) - wonder if someone is selling the actual blog site script, templates and/or photos for people to use for CPA stuff? Not that I'd be interested or anything, but I bet someone's making money off of the setup besides just the CPA and affiliates, unless of course it is all the same guy!!
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05-20-2009, 02:17 PM	#83
Chris R Motive Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- this is classic
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05-21-2009, 04:01 AM	#85
redicelander Viking Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Easter Island Posts: 757 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 28 Thanked 58 Times in 55 Posts Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! ? Incentive publishers? There are still plenty of offers on all major networks that expressly allow and want incentive publishers. Nothing wrong with it, no crackdown. The only thing would be of course, those who use incentives where they are prohibited.
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05-21-2009, 08:32 PM	#88
linclad mastertweeta Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Gee thanks guys!! I was starting to look at CPA..
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05-21-2009, 08:33 PM	#89
linclad mastertweeta Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Looks like Kevin's back!!
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05-22-2009, 08:22 PM	#90
Shellfish Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Kevin, his aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, stepsisters, 3rd cousin removed and a grandmother or two have taken over! I went via a proxy in Mongolia and Harry lives right next door in Ulaanbaatar! Amazing. Do a big G search in quotes. "A year ago I was an account manager for a (drum roll) a pipe manufacturing" Do a reverse domain on a few of them and it's pretty funny what other stuff he's into.

05-22-2009, 08:38 PM	#91
Hereandthere Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 11 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! I am reading things in the cpa section to consider doing something, but it sure sounds like I would have to do a huge amount of research to figure out which claims were legit. Think I'll just go back to the dog training ebook I've got half done.

05-22-2009, 08:48 PM	#92
VaibhaV KumaR Certified SEO Expert War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: India Posts: 40 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! Quite a engaging debate goin on here but if its like forced continuity and people have no way to cancel, then why can't they just call up their CC company and ask them to stop payments or even report the merchant? Too easy eh? Am I missing something?

05-24-2009, 02:17 PM	#94
Shellfish Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! For folks caught up in it this would not help much but in the future one could use a vcc loaded with $75 or whatever for the grey area stuff and if they don't let you off the hook, good luck charging the card.

05-24-2009, 02:19 PM	#95
honestbizpro Banned War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 2,795 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 98 Thanked 312 Times in 199 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! This thread is a bit confusing. It states "No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now!" So is that a comment about advertisers or publishers? CPA is one of the easiest ways to make money, and yes it can be complicated too just like any other form of marketing. In most cases, You do not have to sell a thing and get paid for it! The money you can make in CPA is incredible. Yes trial offers are hugely popular and allow you to make some serious cash, but you do not have to promote them. There are plenty different types of offers from jewelry, to dating, to almost anything.

05-25-2009, 11:01 AM	#96
Brent Crouch Active Warrior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! The blog isn't so convincing. What I found very convincing was a news site this guy had setup. I found this thread attempting to find it. I was unable to do so because you'll notice these scam pages are set to noindex. The "news site" I seen seemed legit. I've been around a while and know these type of things are scams, but when I seen an article on a site that appeared to be the LA Times, I started to wonder if there really was something out there this easy that I didn't know about. Luckily, I did my research first and finally realized the news site was a fake. I just wished I would have kept the url.
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05-26-2009, 02:31 PM	#100
unlanthony Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now! [QUOTE=honestbizpro;813227]This thread is a bit confusing. It states "No Wonder CPA Co's Reject So many Of Us Now!" So is that a comment about advertisers or publishers? I totally agree!