GeorgR.

1) Enormous conversion rates if you pick the offers with "1st page submit" - you get paid for someone just entering a ZIP code or email.

You "only" get paid $1-$2 for such simple submits, but:

I am having PPC running for $0.07 (can probably go down lower)...will try $0.05 a bit later.

very high conversion rate...let's say 30%++ (very likely).

Let's do some math (don't let the mini payouts fool you...)

1000 clicks for $0.07 cost $70
333 of them fill in their zip - i get paid $1.50/pop == $499.50
$429.50 NET in my pocket.

Cheezus....

I also found an incredible KW with very high search volume and only one competing ad...and in the few hours its running i am seeing very good CTR.

Eric Stanley

Nice job! What CPA network is shelling out 1.50/pop for zip submits?

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GeorgR.

thats a pretty usual rate, there are a few (a few!) on neverblue ads. Most are $1 to $2. But key really is keyword research and getting this "lucky" keyword and niche, IMHO.

Oscar D

Great!

Lovely to hear success stories

"Action is the foundational key to all success." - Pablo Picasso

FredFarnes

Well, I'm not so lucky so far..

For example, I have an adwords PPC campaign that send people to my landing page. I would rather redirect the viewer to the destination, but I think google wants me to have landing page.. The landing page is simple, a big banner and a message to click it to continue.

About 1 in 10 who arrive at the landing page, will click the banner. About 1 in 15 who click the banner will submit the form to convert.

So 150 adwords clicks to get revenue of $2.60

That doesn't work out too well, mathematically..

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

WarriorNY

Yep, a typical zip submit is from $1 to $2. Just wait a couple days and see if you conversion rate goes down though...

Eric Stanley

Are you direct linking to the offer?

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ManAbout

So I am guessing your ads finally started showing then...

Andrew Maule

Hydra does

Twitter Auto Cash Streams $7 | YouTube Traffic $7 | SIMPLE ZIPS CPA CASH $

dzoaffiliate

I'm getting similar results with COPEAC, and AZOOGLEADS. I'm generating cheap keywords for zips and email submits. Try these networks. If you don't get accepted, just call them and explain you spend $1000 or more on adwords. Yes it may be a lie but that's what u need to say. Also make sure you have a web site or two.

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GeorgR.

oh no way.

I am making very simple landing pages, i use either the email templates and/or the banners and slap together some simple site. I also add privacy policy, contact us, terms...all that for good quality score.

One offer, i added text like:

"Here's a secret tip: I just found this page, and you can get a XXXX XXX just by filling out some simple form. Great find - I told my friends already. Blah Blah."

Stuff like that. Make it a little more personal. I also optimize a little for keyword, eg. headline/site title etc. Do what i can for quality score.

Add:

Next step...buying banner space on high traffic blogs..then i can direct link. The one i just got a banner for pays $3 on a simple first page submit for free information.

I am using offers where people just have to simply fill out a form and no CC#, things like that.

GeorgR.

well this is a new campaign, i think the ones on content are still inactive. This one worked right away, high traffic KW and good quality score which is still up.

GeorgR.

by the way, like this new banner? I just made it ..wonder how it will convert

Eric Stanley

Are your landing pages each on respective TLD's of their own?

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GeorgR.

mostly, some i make subdomains on existing domains. I prefer new domains, the $7.95 are no big deal and i always know i can get good QS with them, *usually*. My existing sites - some of them might have a Google slap on them. I am also scared that if i make a subdomain and site and i screw up my QS that google slaps the whole domain, so i wouldnt be able to get good QS on ANY new subdomain on this domain.

Learnanew

You're playing 7 cents a CLICK?

Wow, man.

Just wow.

redicelander

Well, throw a party why don't ya?

4thstreet

Great banner! It should convert like gang busters

a2z

Hey George,

Do you do any seo?

David

GeorgR.

No, for the CPA stuff i do only PPC for now and i buy banner space. I also let people tweet my URLs to a few thousand people on twitter (I myself have only 300, but there are people who tweet to 17k+ followers

Seo i do for other sites. Mind you, i am really still VERY new to CPA.

Yes, for this KW i am paying $0.07..i am very happy since otherwise i am very frustrated with adwords. Its very rare to find a high traffic KW for such a low bid.

The interesting thing with CPA is that you can have a new approach to advertising, you do NOT need to be as specific as with things where you depend on sales.

Its a HELL of a difference since you can promote and advertise FREE stuff, and with certain offers you can also try to reach a much broader audience - as opposed to trying to sell something from clickbank where you need to be ultra-exact with your targeted audience - and then its still a gamble how many will actually BUY.

Eric Stanley

You shouldn't limit yourself to just Adwords. Give Yahoo, MSN, Yahoo, and/or Myspace PPC a go!

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PPC-Coach

Good job man.

Fox30

one word to keep your cost down and promote CPA offers...ADAWARE.

Eric Stanley

PPV or CPV traffic might be a good choice, but be prepared to spend alot of money. My foray into PPV left me with a roughly 3000:1 conversion ratio with my BEST keywords. No thanks.

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HighSociety

I have a state submit paying $2.40!

I win... Haha

Fernando Veloso

What networks do you guys use? Hydra, Neverblue...

FredFarnes

ADAWARE ? From Lavasoft? Or what? You mean Adwords? Or what are you talking about?

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

FredFarnes

It's all relative. What is a high-payout in your scale?

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

FredFarnes

Eric, that's good feedback. A lot depends on the offer. An offer for a tight niche would not be as effective as one which targets a wide audience.

Also, the banner/image can make a large difference. Did you test several campaigns with different offers? Were they all just as bad? What advertising network did you use?

Are you willing to mention the niche?

I'm experimenting with banners and pop-under ads, too early to tell if they can work out.

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

GeorgR.

leads, or sales?

I really do NOT like the sales-stuff...then i could as well continue with clickbank. I like CPA because of the easy lead-submits (ZIPs, emails etc.).

All the "high payout" stuff is in nightmare niches like insurance, debt, weight loss. Gives me the creeps looking at the CPC in adwords.

GeorgR.

I know the question is not intended for me..but if i spend $0.05 on adwords and get $1.10 easy per lead...i COULD see this as a high payout

Your earnings then would just be limited in what you pump into adwords (of course, conversion rates also)..and how much search volume is there for this or that keyword. Its almost a given to make good money if you get such low bids and a conversion rate 20%,30%,40%

Eric Stanley

I think he was referring to Adware -- toolbars and other ad-supported software that PPV companies like MediaTraffic, TrafficVance, and Clicksor use as their network to display Ads.

@ George -- I explored dating, weight loss, and a few how-to's, all with similar results.

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FredFarnes

You and I are on different planets? Here is my real-world experience...

1) .05 adwords are on the low-volume searches, and the low-purchasing keywords, and the least wanted keywords. Quite difficult to do target marketing with those. The best keywords are in demand and are expensive.

2) 20-40% conversion rate? Not happening. First of all, adwords requires a landing page, cannot direct-link to a CPA offer. That landing page tends to lose some people, so my conversion rate is nowhere near your claims.

3) I've worked at this, and I just don't see the numbers you are claiming. Actually, adwords is a losing proposition with my $2.60 and $1.30 paying free offers. The conversion just isn't there, and the click-cost is too high, and the available searches too few anyway.

I'm now trying to buy banners and pop-ups to see if they convert any better.

I'd love to see how you make those number work. I just don't have that experience at all..

After carefully testing, carefully executing all the basics, obviously I'm doing something wrong. I'd love to see your example, specifically how it is possible.. Or if you would review my project, perhaps you could comment on specificly what I'm doing wrong?

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

GeorgR.

first,

i am sitting on something...my HIGHEST CPC right now is $0.10

I found a way to get on HIGH (sometimes even ultra-high) traffic keywords for $0.07 - $0.10
If you say 0.05 is on the "low volume", you are wrong

2) as for 20% - 40% conversion rate. I hear thats a realistic rate for first-page submits. I know about the Landing pages, that's why i make them all the time

So...i just finished another bunch of sites with pre-landing pages..and i pay $0.10

KW #1 has 80.000 searches/month on EXACT
KW #2 has 40.000 searches/month, also on EXACT match.

For both i pay $0.10..and i see i am actually on pos #3

This is not one of the ULTRA high traffic KWs but it still has "nice" volume. The payout in this case is $2.50.

I noticed that Google actually has something like a "limiter" built in if you come up with a ultra-high traffic KW (i am talking MILLIONS of searches/month)...and YES i got such KW for $0.07. The problem is that its WAY easier to keep good quality score for medium/high search volume....if it comes to ultra high traffic and VERY LOW competition Google will try anything to forcefully lower your QS, even if the page is actually related to the subject.

I found another ultra-high traffic KW (2Mill+ searches/month at EXACT match)...but i would need to bid $0.25....and i bailed out since $0.25 is too much for $1.10/sale. I just dont want to gamble anymore. Right now $0.10 is my limit.

Just a hint: You can make ANY, ANY page related to a keyword if you are a little creative and offer is not *totally* different - and get good 7+ QS to start with. But once its one of those mega keywords the fun usually doesn't last long. I am still researching the system trying to "beat" google a bit. Keyword resarch IS the key, and with CPA you have more freedom, WAY more freedom with your keywords eg. compared to clickbank due to the nature of the offers.

GeorgR.

If 100 people click on a really well written ad + site with a first page ZIP/email submit...dont you think that at least 20 of them would go through the "hassle" to simply enter their ZIP for some incredible *FREE* offer?
I dont think 20/100 is unrealistic.

Eric Stanley

Didn't google close the whole "Destination URL" trick/workaround for high a QS score?

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FredFarnes

Is anyone else here able to obtain these (extreme?) results?

ie quality clicks in high volume for .07 with 30% to 40% conversion? Anyone else really doing this. I'm not asking about theory, anyone actually really doing this? Anyone have image-grab of the CPA campaign stats to prove it?

I'd love to attain such results, but my reality not even close. Perhaps we can get some real CPA results posted here, good and bad, for comparison?

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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For newbie, the real CPA results are quite disappointing. But when we hear sucess stories, we get motivated to do more. So it's better the sucess stories must be published only...

arsde

Yes CPA kicks *** I getting traffic without PPC and have earned 64$ on 3 days without doing anything O.o

SacredWealth

Its Sexy to say the least. I hope it converts!

SacredWealth

Well, I will try and achieve those results and post it if successful. The last time I tried doing a campaign with 0.05 cents per lick, I was not even getting impressions. May be I chose the wrong keywords. This time, I will do it with all seriousness. Let me see what happens.

naonline

I'm not sure if George is giving us all the info here. I've had results like this but you need to use a bit of out of the box thinking with CPA. You cant bid .05 on keywords directly related to your offer like 'free ipod'. You need to find a high traffic source then try and convert that traffic.

Look for a breaking news story and bid on related keywords then consider what cpa offers might fit that demograpic and try and convert the traffic when it hits your landing page.

There are guys doing cpa that wont keep a campaign running unless they get an ROI of at least 75% so these number aren't anything unusual.

Nick

Nick

SacredWealth

I am doing my own CPA + PPC Experiment. I have created new thread for it. All those who are interested, please follow it.

GeorgR.

I got some PMs from people "doubting" my claims, especially to my $0.07 CPC.

Let me explain that i am with adwords for a long time and i had my share with frustration and high bids - just look on the forum where i complain about outrageous bids.

Yes naonline, you are on the right track. I myself have NOT at all even touched everything possible - eg your idea with celebrity names, or news stories, things like that! It gets better if there is an offer which is "somehow" related to the subject.
(Example could be concert tickets!)

The beauty with CPA is that many of the offers are free/trials...and you will see that for SOME niches "free XYZ" has very high search volume but very low bids! In this case this doesnt have to bother us because we DO actually promote free stuff! So..winner right there.

The strategy is 100% different from conventional adwords keyword research. Yes, forget "free ipod"...its too specifc but also extremely oversaturated.

I dont want to spill ALL beans because i plan to make a WSO once i have more data and a good method - and as said, i am still only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

As for conversions, i was busy making lots of sites (still am) since direct linking is impossible - i need to have those ads running for a while to make a clear statement about real life conversions.

Thanks SW, will check this out

brendan301

i agree. cheap keywords is the name of the game if you want to make it work with zip/email submits. actually cheap keywords can make any campaign extremely profitable.

SacredWealth

This is great advice Warriors! Thank you!

GeorgR.

Here is a VERY nice example:

1. [Celebrity Name] Has Diabetes
   
   Learn How He Simplifies His Life
   With Bayer's CONTOUR® Meter
   www.Celebritynamesomething.com

Note how they use a celebrity name to sell Diabetic equipment. Pure genius.

amitcor

0.05 is my wet dream for now
Thanks for the info!

GeorgR.

Well...that creativity can go a LOOONG way (aka "blackhat")...but i am not doing anything black right now.

I am always thinking about the example with "Jessica Alba Naked"....then go to the site and the pics are gone. Bummer. "Well we had to take down the pics because they are so hot we need to protect minors. But we will send the pics by email, just enter your email here..." [framed CPA offer with email submit]

Note this is blackhat, and no, i am not doing it.

There is plenty of space for creativity even with pure white hat.

honestbizpro

I totally Agree!

I like to learn as much as I can about as many methods as I can find, then formulate my own methods.

There is a lot of money to be made totally white hat.

Some concentrate on CPA exclusively but I just include CPA as one more weapon in my marketing arsenal.