Chucky

Hey Warriors,

Earlier I started a thread with the title "Mediatraffic Users", but it wasn't getting enough attention, so I thought I would start another thread with a more eye catching title.
I'm mainly an article marketer, so I should know that the title is important :-) Let's see how it goes.

Anyways, here's my question. After buying a couple of WSOs lately, I wanted to embark on PPV (for those who don't know - Pay Per View - all those annoying pop-ups and pop-unders you run into. No they're not illegal, there's a difference between spyware and adware. This is adware, the good stuff).

I know PPV has huge potential because I know guys making huge $$$$ out of it. I started with Clicksor (doesn't require a deposit), then with MediaTraffic (requires a $200 deposit) and if these work out I'll go for TrafficVance (requires a 1K deposit).

So far, I'm struggling to get 'clicks' to my ads. And when I do get that rare click, they don't necessarily convert. I know I have to match the right kind of offer to the right kind of traffic etc etc.

If there's anybody with some experience on this and would like to share it/give some advice on how to best utilize these traffic sources, that would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
Chucky

FredFarnes

Great question. I'm very interested to see is anyone has generated profits form pop-under advertising. In my experience, it's a waste of money.

Very few clicks, and they don't convert!

Anyone have some strategies to take advantage of this traffic?

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

sp33dr4ge88

Yes it does work. I was recently crushing it with an offer, spending about $100 an hour.

My daily net profits were between $600-$1000 a day from one offer from one site.

I won't say what offer or which network... in fact ppv works so well I'd probably charge 10k or more to train on it.... better yet I'd probably charge more and anyone that gives training on how to do ppv marketing is crazy because if you have the right tools, excellent tracking you can make a fortune.

Sadly, the offer that was killing it for me, the site that was converting had tech problems within the network (or at least the ppv provider claims this)

I've recently gotten smart though. I think the best pay and the proper way to really bring home the bread with ppv is to grab yourself a URL rotator, hook up with Neverblue b/c they have easy uploadable pixels and pick and pick a theme... lets say "money and finance, more specifally loans"

Run about 5-10 offers that have anything to do with getting a loan or money on the URL rotator witin the ppv network. Narrow it down to the best converting offer, drop ther others then start shaving off the sites that aren't converting.

Also if you don't know this, most networks refer to ppv traffic as DLS traffic and a lot of offers accept it, if they don't ask your affiliate manager and just ask for an approval to send DLS traffic.

I still make great money with ppv on zip submits, but the big big money is in the $9-$32 payouts.

I forget to mention, it's also probably wise to get a URL scraper, as uploading or cutting and pasting one URL to target at a time is a pain in the a@@. You'll need to run about 500-1000 URL's per campaign to see decent traffic, especially from media traffic or addonnetwork.

I doubt anyone would tell you which offers they are running and on which networks if they are banking, I certainly wouldn't, but I am willing to help.. however I am not going to hand over the pie for free

Chucky

Hey Thanks sp33dr4ge88.

No I was not (I don't think anybody is) expecting somebody to come out and give their niche. The tips you gave on URL rotator, URL scraper, DLS etc. are very much appreciated.

So can you not use the URL rotator that Neverblue provides themselves? I haven't looked into pixels yet, but will definitely do that.

You may be already aware of this, but if you are not, this may have been what happened with that 'Killer Offer'. I have heard that affiliate managers 'steal' good offers when they find a killer offer like that. The 'technical problems' certainly could have been something the AM made up to get rid of you, so that he gets to cash in on your hard work entirely by himself now.

I've heard that you can 'cloak your keywords through prosper202' and that way AMs have no idea which kw are bringing traffic to you. Hope this would be helpful to somebody (if sp33dr4ge88 already knew about it).

I only had like 60 URLs and no wonder I only got 1 view with my first campaign. So I should definitely work on increasing that to about 1K ha? The only problem is that when I do that, not all of them are necessarily 'laser targeted'.

All in all, thanks very much for an informative post sp33dr4ge88.

If more people chip in with idea like that, this would turn out to be a great thread.
Chucky

sp33dr4ge88

It wasn't the AM, it was the actual ppv network.

Yes you can use prosper to cloak, but the way the ppv network was setup, it was using a site ID and there are normally 20-30 sites within a site ID all similar to whatever keywords and URL's you specified.

I do believe they had problems.... maybe not, who knows... we'll never know. I did notice that 85% of my profitable sites were then targeted by their partners where I was getting half a penny per view, the bids were now 5 cents for top position for most of my profitable sites that I targeted.

Coincidence not sure.

Prosper is good for PPC marketing and I use it, but PPV a bit more difficult to use. You have to essentially assign a subid for every URL, and that could be 1,000 different subid's but there is a program to mass upload a subid for each URL, search "tracking ppv offers with propser" in Goolge and you'll find it.

Success in CPA requires, tech savy, stellar tracking, good copy writer, decent web design skills (if not you'll have to outsource) and consitent marketing research followed by non-stop testing. Oh and a solid budget to back up your testing.

It sounds easy.... but when you boil it down the guys who are making great money are the ones who have all of those skills sets. That's why not everyone is making 1k a day with cpa.

Fox30

I know which WSO you are talking about. I'm working it right know as well.

My business partner and I are working with MediaTraffic, we've spent $100 and so far, ZERO conversions. It's definitely a learning process.

We've done a few tweaks to our campaigns which the manager at MediaTraffic suggested, we are waiting to see if anything has changed.

We are not too impressed with PPV so far.

Marian Berghes

if your doing PPV and you spent 100$ and no conversions...then you REALLY have to study harder.

Find out EXACTLY what kind of people will be interested in the offer, test 3-5 offers at a time using a rotator, get better at doing keyword research.

Ive gotten conversion with only $10...if you spent $100 and didn't got any...then your doing something wrong...totally wrong.

And remember not all networks work the same...cus the people that downloaded the adware might be totally different groups.

And yes you are right...I asked my AM and he confirmed me that there are 2 guys that make $7.000+ a day with contextual traffic.

So don;t worry...the potential is there...you just have to get better at it...and me too for that fact

"Nothing in this world that's worth having comes easy..."

Chucky

Hey Marian,

Can you please elaborate on the rotator? Is this something that Mediatraffic provides or something you link up externally?

Cheers!
Chucky

Marian Berghes

Im getting one done for myself just now (good to have programmer friends ) and from what he told me...I just have to host it on a domain that I own, send all the traffic there and it will automatically split the traffic randomly and equally between the offers.

But from what I know theres a software called Adtrackz that some PPV marketers recommend...you can try that one out.

"Nothing in this world that's worth having comes easy..."

PPCExpert

I have used both MT and adon, however didn't make much, however I have been using zango for the last 1 year now and converted very well, even after all the rumours that zango is going to close down.

Chucky

Thank you guys for your replies. Here's another question.
Do you direct link (I'm assuming most of you do) or do your own landing pages (LP) or use white labeling for CPA offers when you use PPV. I guess in Adwords you have no option but to use LP or white labeling, but for PPV I don't suppose there are any restrictions for direct linking.

Cheers!

PPCExpert

Correct, on PPV no rules on direct linking -- however there are some merchants that have direct relationship with PPV networks, meaning the merchant is directly promoting and thus the network will NOT allow for you as an aff to us the same DL. I found this for 3 merchants within maxbounty, so in that case you have to be LP, but most of the time you are good.

Dave d

Hey Fox I know which WSO your talking about and I got a refund after loosing quite a bit of money on it. Dont be fooled by the reviews on it. When I left an honest review the author went nuts and I removed it. I was still convinced PPV was profitable and after digging deep and finding someone to help one on one I was suprised that everyone says the opposite of whats conatined within the WSO, for example as mentioned in this thread you need to scrape up to 1000 urls, as well as that a lot of people I know are using a maximum of 10 keywords some aren't even using any keywords at all just URL's. I wouldn't take 100's of keywords as suggested.

Can somebody recommend a good preferably free URL scraper. Im using adwords digger but its only allowing up to 100.

Dave

Chucky

Hey Dave,
I don't know if you and I are talking about the same WSO. The only reason I've not yet asked for a refund is because they introduced me to the method. I too don't think they do a good job describing how to do it step by step, but at least they've shown me the method. Now it's up to me to figure it out with the help of other guys here.
I was scared to put more URLs, so I only put like 60 and I've so far only had like 8 views. The secret sauce indeed looks like having more URLs.

The tool I used to scrape URLs is from this WSO ++++ PPV Marketer? Here’s Your NEW BEST FRIEND! ++++

It's 20 bucks and did a great job.

I'm also sending you a PM.

Cheers and good luck!
Chucky

Chucky

Ok Guys, another thought came across my mind.
The 'problem' with these pop-ups/unders I guess would be that they cannot be seen to the 'customer', especially if they're pop-unders.
What do you think about adding some audio to capture the attention? If you say the right thing, may be you win !?!?

Anybody?

promo_guy

I haven't tried PPV yet but also don't you have to consider the size of the window as it pops up, like have a page that's only 350px by 500px or whatever? Otherwise even if you send direct to offer won't the landing page be obscured?

Not sure, just asking as that seems to make sense. Can anyone confirm you need a landing page of a certain size?

syncjam

You can't have audio, video, etc. on MT's popups.

syncjam

750x550 for MediaTraffic.

Global365

Had the same experience a Dave d did with that particular wso....left a negative and he went ape sh*t

Have been working with MT with 6 different campaigns and no luck, for just a few url keyword combos to one with over 6,000 keywords, URL combos...

I guess u just have to keep plodding until u hit gold...

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gtara4

could get no conversion, $200 goes fast mediatraffic

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Chucky

It will not go so fast if you use URLs instead of KW. I have one campaign only and over the weekend I'm struggling to spend 20 cents :-(

Would have been an achievement if there were conversions worth $$$$, but unfortunately not :-(

Chucky

Chucky

Ah that shucksh!!! :-((

Mark Francis

I make about 10k+ per day with it and spend about 3-5k$ per day it's extremely profitable and most networks allow the catch is to make your ad extremely appealing.

redicelander

Haven't heard it called "DLS" traffic, but heard it called "contextual" traffic. I'm testing PPV now, but it takes work. A lot of people make loads with it and just do direct-to-merchant without bothering with landing pages. In my opinion that would save a ton of time when testing and is one of the things that makes it much better than PPC. Then, if you find a good offer and are getting conversions, you can test a landing page, if you want, but it's not necessary. I say, if you want to try PPV get some very guided coaching.

Chucky

Wow Hat's off to you sir! If I made 10K in 3 months, I'll be on top of the world :-)

What do you mean make your ad appealing? Audio, Video, Flash?

If you could open our eyes a little bit more, that would be awesomely appreciated!

Thanks a lot DarkNightHatter!
Chucky

redicelander

You can't do Audio and Video with PPV, at least with Media Traffic.

Marian Berghes

you can't do Audio, video, pop-ups, pop-unders, sliding pop-up. they don't allow it.

And be VERY carefull of one thing....make sure that the offer is seen almost completely in the window that pop-ups.

I know some people that spent THOUSANDS of dollars before they realised this stupid mistake....their offer was so big that in the pop-up window only half the headline was seen.

Might wanna try this out...might be an answer as to why your not getting any conversions.

"Nothing in this world that's worth having comes easy..."

brendan301

i've been dabbling in ppv for a few weeks now and so far i haven't seen any conversions from clicksor traffic. however I haven't been rotating offers either.
i'm going to try addonnetwork and media traffic, rotate offers and use 1000 urls.
i'll also be getting some ppv coaching after i move. right now i can't focus on anything but packing and getting my new place ready.

Chucky

Thanks Marian, will definitely pay attention to that.
Chucky

Clicksor_CS

Hi all,

I have seen a few posts in regards to our traffic's conversions with different offers. Clicksor has dedicated Account Manager to assist in your campaigns. Since each offer performs differently in different network and require different settings or targeting, please feel free to contact your Account Manager for recommendations.

Each of our Account Manager is professionally trained and has great experience in making successful campaigns.

You may find your Account Manager's contact information at the right side of your Clicksor's account.

Best regards,

Clicksor Customer Support

malcasid

Wow, its nice to know that Clicksor has dedicated account managers to assist us.

PPC-Coach

Clicksor is the hardest traffic to convert for most niches. I've never got clicksor converting profitably. PPV does work, although I hate the term PPV, it's really CPV, (cost per view).

(In fact I'm doing something about that soon too...stay tuned).

malcasid

A new course?

naonline

He wont tell you, he's a notorious tease.

This guy has some good info....

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malcasid

Oh, LOL.

Thanks for the link to the PPV tracking article!

Chucky

Ya thanks for the link. Unfortunately my hostgator account won't let me install Prosper202. Something new with hostgator apparently. Something to do with partitioning of mysql databases.

If anybody knows how to do it on hostgator, I'm willing to pay. Thanks!
Chucky

sindyjk

i've tried PPV with MediaTraffic and lost some money & not convert.
I tried "category campaign", i thiink this way won't convert and now i try "url targeted" campaign. I hope this way convert.

thanks

sindy

Sean S

does anyone really beleive that this is some hot trend ?

malcasid

I like what I hear so far. I am going to be shifting my efforts to PPV pretty soon.

TE2

It is a hot trend.

Promoting CPA offers has been the latest trend in IM and the methods for promoting CPA offers is lined to that trend.

PPV/CPV is nothing new but the increased interest in it is.

Regards,

John

Rick Cabral

sp33...
Your post referring to using a URL rotator...Do you have a personal recommendation for an effective rotator/tracker?

promo_guy

Anyone had any success with MediaTraffic yet? I hear conflicting stories but all those who say they've earned good money, they can't all be wrong can they?

I think it has to do with how you target and going for urls as keywords. I'll try to get a campaign up this weekend and report back - hopefully in the black! lol

Ryan6

What's with the fancy name? This is CPM advertising that has been around for donkeys years.

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FredFarnes

Yes, sure pop-under and pop-over have been around for a long time, not new at all.

But if you call it something else, and make it a "secret hot trend" and "guarantee success" by just following a "simple formula", then you can make a WSO and help to educate some newbies!

So what if people have been doing this for years? You need to repackage it to sell your how-to-make-megabucks IM info-product.

So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

TE2

Not exactly the same as typical CPM. There are very similar and i would call them cousins.

CPM is about "impressions", while CPV is about "views".

Impressions are generally banners or ads on websites in the form of a graphic image that is typically positioned in a margin or other space reserved for ads

Views are generally Pop-over or Pop-under windows. Some are full-size and some are smaller minimized windows.

Additionally, CPV (Cost per View) incorporates the concept of keyword targeting with the low cost CPM (Cost per Thousand) model.

CPV technology matches your "targeted" keywords with the information that the consumer is searching for and then... instantly delivers the user to your web site via Pop-over/under. You only pay when a consumer views your site,

See the difference?

Regards,

John

ps - I hope you enjoyed this PPV 101 post. No need to send money - just hit the thanks button.

lherbal

I was looking to start a few campaigns with Clicksor, since I didn't want to put up $200 for MediaTraffic and $1k for Trafficvance, but I wanted to know a little bit more about this company before I started.

So, I sent my account manage with Clicksor an email asking about how they worked. Here is part of the email that they sent me...

"Please note that we are not an adware company. All of the ads are displayed
on the publishers' websites in the concept of understanding the content.
Clicksor does not display the ads through adware/spyware because the quality
of the ads is not high and affects the branding of your website.

CPV is our Full page Popunder service, which is a totally different ad
format than Google Adsense, so there is no similarity in the ad display.
Your Pop under ad will open up in a new window when the visitors landed on
the publishers' websites."

So what I get from what they sent me is just as I expected. Website owners who instead of putting Adsense ads from Google, are placing ads similar to Adsense from Clicksor. Now, it's not hard to figure out that WAY more people use Adsense than Clicksor, so just how much reach can you get with Clicksor?

Now, if you use their Pop under ads they still only show on related sites in the Clicksor system, so you may not get as many impressions or conversions since it's not an adware company.

Am I understanding this fully?

This may be why its a lot harder to get profitable campaigns with Clicksor than other adware companys.

Ryan6

FredFarnes/TE2.

Did just check out Clicksor and did notice that they do differentiate the CPM and CPV.

Thing is, this network in particular requires 5,000 page views per day. That is pretty steep when you're trying to recruit and push the technique on to a newbie.

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Chucky

Thanks TE2, just one thing you missed - URL targeting, which was probably unheard of before the CPV/PPV days ...pls correct me if I'm wrong....I wasn't around those days :-)

And also, in CPM (I'm talking about banner advertising), you have a deal with the publisher/webmaster. But in PPV, you don't have a deal with him. You're just STEALING his traffic. If you target 1000 URLs, then you're stealing the legitimate traffic that these websites have earned either from search engine rankings or PPC. That's why this is BAD A*S technology.
And again, if XXXX.com gets 10,000 views a day and you by a banner on that site, your banner will get 10,000 impressions, that is one impression for every visitor. But in the case of PPV, out of these 10,000 viewers only those who have adware installed in their computer will see your pop-up.
I think that's quite a few differences between CPM and CPV.
Chucky

Chucky

Hey you newbies out there,

We have to learn a lesson from TE2 (hope you don't get offended TE2, take it as a compliment).
See how he ASKS for thanks and see how many thanks he has got. That's quite a lot of thanks for a
The lesson?
When you're building websites/blogs you want links and comments from people.

So ASK for them. ASK for links, ASK them to leave comments. And they will, a lot more than when you don't ASK for it. I first heard this from Tim Gorman, and now I've seen it with my own eyes from TE2.

Thanks indeed for demonstrating that John. I hope more people catch it.
Chucky

Chucky

Hey lherbal,

Have no doubt about the quantity of traffic Clicksor can bring. At least for the one (or two) niches that I tried with them, I got tonnes of traffic within a very short period. Conversions.....that's a different story. I'm not going to downgrade on their quality of traffic just because I didn't get any conversions.
May be I didn't match the type of offer for their audience. They're not transparent about their publisher network. If I knew what it was like, then may be I could have targeted some better ads to them. But hey, that's not how it happened unfortunately.
I hope your offers are the right ones for their traffic.
Chucky
P.S. I'm yet to see a positive comment about Clicksor traffic conversions. So please comment if you have already seen success on Clicksor, thanks!