Please Help Me Understand How to Stop Losing Money

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Hello,

I am trying to make sense of PPC advertising and how to make it profitable. I have dumped a few hundred into promoting affiliate offers via a "advertorial/review" type site and have yet to make any money.

Let me explain the situation.

I created a site that looks like a consumer report. I then selected two offers the affiliate manager at the network I am with said were high converting. I looked at the EPC one was $7 the other was $3 something. That is a combined epc on the two offers of $10. Theoretically, shouldn't I be able to make money as long as my keywords cost less than $10?

The affiliate manager looked at my site and said he thought it was a winner.

I set daily limits on Yahoo and Google of $40 and $45. Google gave my site a quality score of 7/10 my max keyword bid was 3.15 per click. My average keyword cost was something like $2.80.

I had what I would consider highly targeted keyword phrases. I did not place them in quotations or brackets and I didn't use any negative keywords. For my ad I ripped another ad's text that I have seen running for a while now and that I guess must be working. In only 20 something clicks my $45 limit was used up.

Now, lets assume that the landing pages of the products I am promoting convert at 1%. It just cost me $45 for 20 clicks. If I project that out and multiply it by 5 theoretically, it would cost $225 to drive 100 visitors to the site.

Assuming a 1% conversion that would be 1 in 100 converting. So, it would cost me $225 to get a $32 dollar commission.

I am trying to understand how it is possible to earn money like this? I am just baffled by the logic here.

People must be making money because I see them advertising. I go to keyword spy and see other advertisers. Can someone please tell me how this is possible?

After reviewing a number of keywords in popular niches (diet,bizopp,health &beauty, credit repair, etc...) most of them are at least $2 and many of them much more.

I can understand if you are selling your own products you could probably afford to loose some money on the front end if your lifetime customer value were good enough but what about affiliates. We don't really have a lifetime customer value?

I would really appreciate if someone who is actually making money as an affiliate buying PPC, PPV, CPM could tell me how this works and explain the mathematical logic.

Thank you in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    what strategy are you using for your campaigns???
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    • Profile picture of the author secretssovaluable
      Chris, can you be more specific as to strategy. As I understand things my strategy is to drive as much targeted traffic to my review site and then use the reviews to bump visitors over to the CPA landing page.

      As far as a ppc strategy I was trying to keep my costs somewhat reasonable and stay in the 4-6 position for the keywords.

      I am targeting all of the U.S. weekdays from 5am to midnight and weekends all day.

      Currently I am only in the "Search" and not "Content Networks."

      Does that clarify things more?
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      • Profile picture of the author Adbeat
        Here is some help on part of the "math".

        First, 2 offers with an EPC of $7 and $3 does not equal $10 EPC. If you are promoting both offers on your landing page, some of the people will click through to the 1st offer and some to the 2nd offer, and finally some to both.

        Second, network EPCs are really hard to make any sense out of. They have no knowledge of what happens before the traffic hits the offer page. So, if you have a landing page that only gets a 25% CTR to the offer page, then you can take the network EPCs and divide by 4 if you are trying to back out to a click cost.

        I ignore network EPCs. Do your own testing and figure out your own. There are so many different types of traffic hitting an offer that the network EPC is pretty worthless. It varies by affiliate and promotion method, ppv, ppc to LP, ppc direct, endoresed mailing, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
          Without knowing more details it is difficult to give specific advice, however,
          one thing you mention is that you are using broad match (no quotations or brackets)
          and no negative keywords.

          IMHO that is huge mistake that will result in you getting untargeted
          expensive keyword clicks.

          I don't know what you have done to learn about PPC, but it is not something you
          should just jump into without spending some time on your education.
          Learning as you go can become very expensive, especially right now when Google is
          becoming even more affiliate unfriendly.

          Robyn
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      • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
        Originally Posted by secretssovaluable View Post

        Chris, can you be more specific as to strategy. As I understand things my strategy is to drive as much targeted traffic to my review site and then use the reviews to bump visitors over to the CPA landing page.

        As far as a ppc strategy I was trying to keep my costs somewhat reasonable and stay in the 4-6 position for the keywords.

        I am targeting all of the U.S. weekdays from 5am to midnight and weekends all day.

        Currently I am only in the "Search" and not "Content Networks."

        Does that clarify things more?

        Sorry for strategy - i meant what niche are you in, how are you grouping keywords, how are you tracking, what are your bids like, what position are you currently in for your keywords, etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author OPLeads
    As mentioned before, it is very hard to give advice on a case we don't know much about ... but here are some easy steps that might give you some more data.

    1. I did not see anywhere that you are tracking your stats. Did you install a tracking software (such as Prosper - free)? That would shed light on which keywords give you the most return of investment and which of the two offers people are more interested in! Tracking is a must.

    2. How is the look on feel of your landing page? Even if it gets a 7 QS it does not mean that the user knows what to do or knows where you want him to go to. They might just read the content and thank you for the review instead of taking actions. Does the color sheme and calls to action work?

    3. Depending on the data it might be in your best interest to only promote one product, or switch tactics and put your reviews into a pdf guide and give that to the visitor after signing up to your mailing list. This way you have more then one chance to market to them.

    4. Do you bid on buy keywords (not so much review keywords),misspellings, geo targeted keywords, keyword combinations, Product ID numbers etc.?

    Those are only a few ideas .....

    PS: If you have problems with PPC don't even think about CPM marketing, especially since the big places (Yahoo, Platform-a etc.) will have a minimum of $5k - and I don't want to see you wasting your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author onera
    I think you cannot make money from $3 per click unless your commission is in hundreds or lots of back end selling. $0.25 per click is the only way to make money from those on time $30-$40 commission product. You need to continuously lower your bid price and target only those keywords that are making a sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saj Gupta
    Originally Posted by secretssovaluable View Post

    I had what I would consider highly targeted keyword phrases. I did not place them in quotations or brackets and I didn't use any negative keywords.
    Why would you run all your keywords in broad match, and without using negatives on top of that. Not only you, but anybody can get burried in that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Myheavens
    First thing , You should target specific keyword..May be one ,two or max three keywords per adgroup..Use phase match or exact match..Broad match is way to broad ending up with untargeted traffic.. Check again your lp and put yourself as you are a buyer ? try to find some low volume long tail cheap keywords..
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  • Profile picture of the author secretssovaluable
    Thank you for trying to help. I may as well go ahead and tell you the niche I am in because I am sure there are many of us in this niche and I am not making any money on my ad spend anyway.

    So, I am in the teeth whitening niche. For those of you who asked, here are the keywords I used:

    tooth whitening
    Home teeth whitening
    teeth whitening products
    teeth whitening reviews
    tooth whitening products
    tooth whitener
    tooth whitening review
    at home tooth whitening
    at home teeth whitening
    best tooth whitener
    best tooth whitening
    best teeth whitener
    best teeth whitening
    best teeth whiteners
    teeth whitening review
    tooth whitening gel
    best teeth whitening system
    best teeth whitening products
    best teeth whitening product
    tooth whitening reviews
    home teethwhitening

    I have been targeting the 2-4 position with an average cpc of about $2.85

    As far as the look of the landing page I think it is pretty good. I do have some experience in that area.

    I am a creative director and have been a copywriter and designer for some very large internet direct response companies. I have a good eye for what converts, I am just inexperienced with media buying and ppc.

    I really appreciate your help if you can honestly tell me from experience. Like I said, I have already dumped close to a $1000 dollars on this one and I have dumped more than that on other campaigns, so I am really looking for someone with experience and who is spending perhaps several thousand dollars on media each month.

    I am prepared to do that, I just need to know that I can make some money.

    Again, to reiterate my question I am looking for some solid advice on the mathematical logic of this stuff.

    Thanks again for all your help.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    You gotta get better keywords - your going after the keywords that EVERYONE has tried to use for that niche - which means you will either be bidding on non-converting keywords in some cases and in other cases you will be competing against people who have spent a long time building on there quality score for the campaign so it will be very hard to beat them.

    You need to find a new strategy for keywords research - you gotta find keywords which others either aren't using or find keywords which not many people are using..
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    • Profile picture of the author bwall
      Another aspect that you did not consider is the number of visitors you send to your landing page that do not click through to the offer you are promoting. That number is not figured in to conversion ratio.
      So if you have a bounce rate of 30% (30% of visitors leave your site without clicking on your affiliate links) then you will have to send 143 visitors to your site before you get 100 clicks to the offer (70% of 143=100).

      Are you collecting email addresses?
      It would be extremely difficult to make money at $2.80 per click on just a one time front end sale.

      You need to find some lower price long tail keywords.
      You should also have an opt in form to collect email addresses so you can put your offer in front of them multiple times and promote higher priced back end offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Steel
    Completely side stepping the whole PPC delima, I would suggest something different (because I too was in your shoes not too long ago).

    You need to get your hands on some backlink packages (like Angela and Paul or Whoever) and you need to create some backlinks to your website so you can own a spot in Google's Top 10. This way, your traffic is FREE and your high position in Google's rankings makes it seem like your product is more credible.

    I would highly recommend you get a high search engine ranking for your PRIMARY keywords. Then you get constant traffic and then you can also play the PPC game as well.

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