PPV - Keywords or URLs for Targets

by pooter
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I've been reading up on PPV a little recently and have signed up for MediaTraffic as well as AdOnNetwork. I've run a few campaigns and have only had one conversion so far. So I'm still trying to get a handle on how to make money with PPV. I'm not sure, but I think the key probably lies with how you identify your targets.

I've seen some people say to only use keywords for targets and then I've seen others say to only use URLs for targets. Both sides claim that they are having phenomenal success with their method. I've mainly been targeting URLs and have been trying a couple of different strategies with it.

The first is to just go after the URLs that are obvious and relate to the offer. I do the URL scraping using Laser URL (which is great by the way and completely free) and rotate several offers but nothing converts. I tried this in several niches that are supposed to perform well with PPV, but no success to speak of. I've also tried to target high traffic URLs and then matching an offer to them, kind of like a backwards approach, but nothing there either.

The other day I decided that I needed to get a handle on the way that MediaTraffic's "Precision Match" targeting works, so I called up my account manager and asked him to explain it to me. To his credit, he did a pretty good job, but some of the things he said just didn't make sense which leads me to believe that maybe he doesn't fully understand how their system works either.

So, here are the four match types that you can do with MediaTraffic:


target = Complete URL
Enter your target without any Precision Match syntax if you want to trigger a destination view when your target is found anywhere in the Internet address visited by a user. Ex: Your target could be matched anywhere in this address:
domain.c0m/page.html?query_argument=data


"target" = URL without query string
Enter your target within quotes to signify that you want your target
to be matched only in the bold part of this example Internet address:
domain.c0m/page.html?query_argument=data


[target] = Query string only
Enter your target within brackets to signify that you want your target
to be matched only in the bold part of this example Internet address:
domain.c0m/page.html?query_argument=data


*target* = Search engine
Enter your target within asterisks if you want it to be matched only
to search engine queries. Ex:
searchengine.c0m/results.html?search_query=search string

*Note- I had to remove the "www" and use a "0" in the "com" part of the addresses above because the system wouldn't let me post my message with "links" in it. Even if I removed the links, it kept putting them back.

So the first thing he said was to not use keywords without any specific targeting as that would only result in very broad traffic. The type of targeting that he recommended is [target] when going after keywords. That option will match the keyword in any kind of query on any website, including queries that are done on the major search engines. This all sounds good, but I don't know if it's true because I haven't tested it yet.

Then for targeting URLs, he recommended that I use Complete URL. I asked him why you wouldn't just use "target" instead and he said that some people type the URL into the search box and then you wouldn't lose out on that traffic if you're using Complete URL. Well my thought is, if they're going to end up on the website anyway, why not just use "target" since that is a lot more targeted?

Sorry this is so long for my first post. I just wanted to see if anyone else was having the same problems figuring out what type of targets to use (keywords or URLs) and how to use MT's "Precision Match".:confused:

Please let me know if you have any insights.

Thanks,

Todd
#keywords #ppv #targets #urls
  • Profile picture of the author Affiliit
    I personally use urls, but I also know many others use keywords and urls. It's really a matter of preference.
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      • Profile picture of the author pooter
        Would those who target URLs mind revealing which precision match they use? I suspect they only use "target" with something like this "domain.com/keyword" for very specific URLs.

        That leaves [target] and the only way I can figure out to use that is with something like this [query=keyword] or just [keyword].

        Is that right?

        Todd
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        • Profile picture of the author TE2
          Originally Posted by pooter View Post

          Would those who target URLs mind revealing which precision match they use? I suspect they only use "target" with something like this "domain.com/keyword" for very specific URLs.

          That leaves [target] and the only way I can figure out to use that is with something like this [query=keyword] or just [keyword].

          Is that right?

          Todd
          Todd - your quoted examples are correct. But to clarify...

          Use "target" like this "domain.com/keyword" for very specific URLs.

          Use [target] like this [your keyword phrase].

          Also...

          Use target to get maximum impressions (not recommended)

          Use *target* only if you want an impression when someone enters your target as a search engine query.

          Regards,

          John
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          • Profile picture of the author pooter
            Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

            Todd - your quoted examples are correct. But to clarify...

            Use "target" like this "domain.com/keyword" for very specific URLs.

            Use [target] like this [your keyword phrase].

            Also...

            Use target to get maximum impressions (not recommended)

            Use *target* only if you want an impression when someone enters your target as a search engine query.

            Regards,

            John
            Hi John,

            Thanks much for the input and clarification.

            I think I have a handle on it now and plan to experiment more with those two matching types now that I know how they work.

            Hopefully this clears things up for others who were wondering.

            Have a great day!

            Todd
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            • Profile picture of the author TE2
              Originally Posted by pooter View Post

              Hi John,

              Thanks much for the input and clarification.

              I think I have a handle on it now and plan to experiment more with those two matching types now that I know how they work.

              Hopefully this clears things up for others who were wondering.

              Have a great day!

              Todd
              You're welcome Todd.

              And yes it stinks that MT has a 40 character limit, but they aren't the only CPV game in town. Hint, hint...
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  • Profile picture of the author TE2
    Originally Posted by pooter View Post

    Then for targeting URLs, he recommended that I use Complete URL. I asked him why you wouldn't just use "target" instead and he said that some people type the URL into the search box and then you wouldn't lose out on that traffic if you're using Complete URL. Well my thought is, if they're going to end up on the website anyway, why not just use "target" since that is a lot more targeted?
    Todd,

    Remember, they want you to spend money on traffic. His suggestion gets more traffic. Better for them but costs you more.

    Keep this in mind - target as tightly as you can.

    You will get less impressions but it will do these things:
    1) lower your ad spend
    2) increase your conversion rate
    3) increase your EPC
    4) increase your ROI

    Regards,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author craftylam
      Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

      Todd,

      Remember, they want you to spend money on traffic. His suggestion gets more traffic. Better for them but costs you more.

      Keep this in mind - target as tightly as you can.

      You will get less impressions but it will do these things:
      1) lower your ad spend
      2) increase your conversion rate
      3) increase your EPC
      4) increase your ROI

      Regards,

      John
      John,

      I love your advice, been following it since I started in ppv. I too am struggling with the whole precision match thing. My media traffic account manager also says to use COMPLETE URL but i can see that would be less targeted.

      I understand the explanation given for the other type matches but I dont understand the consequences of it.

      I know you dont want to give away secrets, thats understandable, but can you explain the consequences at all?

      eg. dazzlewhitepro.com - what is the diffrence to me as a ppv marketer if I bid COMPLETE URL, URL WITHOUT QUERY STRING or QUERY STRING ONLY.

      if a customer has googled and ended up on that website?

      Hope this makes sense..,,, been reading your replies for days and days and cant see what I need to see.

      Shaz
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveDunn
        I'm also a bit stumped by how to use the query string and would love a clearer explanation.

        if exporting from laser url, do I just use the query string option and this will target the urls that query string originated from?
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      • Profile picture of the author pooter
        Thanks for all of your replies. It really helps to talk it out with others.

        I agree with what you are saying John. I should really try to go as tight as possible, just like you would in PPC. I can understand that my account manager is trying to make more money from me, but I would hope that he realizes it's in his best interest to help me *start* making money with his company in order to keep me as a customer who will make him a lot more money in the future.

        So I think that "target" and [target] are the two most targeted options, but I'm still not positive about how they work.

        If I were to use keywords and target a 3 word phrase like "cheap insurance quote" and [cheap insurance quote] will it only show when a user goes to a sites like this:

        getcheapinsurancequotes.com
        comparecarinsurance.com/?query=cheap-insurance-quotes

        So that's if I were using keywords to match and with MediaTraffic you're limited to 3 keywords per keyword phrase. So that's as tight as you can go there.

        If I were to use URLs, then I would target "cheapcarinsurance.com/quotes" or [carinsurance.com/?query=cheap-insurance-quotes]. In which case, the second URL would be too long for MediaTraffic because it's over the 40 character limit. So do I leave off the "carinsurance.com" and just define the query like this- [?query=cheap-insurance-quotes]?

        So assuming that I were able to use both targets, it would match URLs that were similar that look like this:

        cheapcarinsurance.com/quotes/best-online
        carinsurance.com/?query=cheap-insurance-quotes

        I just seems that URL targets don't work as well with the more specific targeting option of [target] because the query strings are always so long and dynamic. So maybe I should only be using keyword targets there?

        Maybe I'm missing something here and need to talk to my account manager, but I get the feeling that he's not going to have a more definitive explanation of how it all works.

        Let me know what you think.

        Todd
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  • Profile picture of the author webatomic
    Originally Posted by pooter View Post

    Sorry this is so long for my first post. I just wanted to see if anyone else was having the same problems figuring out what type of targets to use (keywords or URLs) and how to use MT's "Precision Match".:confused:

    You're not the only one. I've been completely baffled by their system and have gone over it with them numerous times. And I agree that they either don't understand it fully themselves or they're just trying to have me spend more money or something. I basically just use complete URL now and try to avoid root URLs most of the time. But I wish there were a better way. I've also had no success with Adon and am not in a place to dump $1000 on Trafficvance right now. I am making a small profit through MT and DirectCPV on a regular basis though and need to ramp it up.

    EDIT: Anyway, to sum up. Yes I think it's all about targeting URLs and MT makes it a frustrating process.
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    • Profile picture of the author pooter
      Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

      You're not the only one. I've been completely baffled by their system and have gone over it with them numerous times. And I agree that they either don't understand it fully themselves or they're just trying to have me spend more money or something. I basically just use complete URL now and try to avoid root URLs most of the time. But I wish there were a better way. I've also had no success with Adon and am not in a place to dump $1000 on Trafficvance right now. I am making a small profit through MT and DirectCPV on a regular basis though and need to ramp it up.

      EDIT: Anyway, to sum up. Yes I think it's all about targeting URLs and MT makes it a frustrating process.
      You would think that MT would get it together and have a document that explains everything very clearly and place it on their website. I can't imagine the number of hours that they waste trying to explain their system over and over again to each individual customer.

      If they think that they're going to get more money out of us if we don't fully understand how their system works, I think they're missing the point. If I have more success with the traffic I get from them, then I'm going to spend even more money instead of giving up and going elsewhere.

      Taking Google as an example... They have some very clear instruction on how to use their system, and while their recommended usage of Adwords is strange sometimes, at least you know how the system works and can decide on your own how to use it. I've never had to call Google and ask them a question and their system is far more complex than MTs.

      I agree with you on networks. I've had no success with AdOnNetwork and I can't justify spending $1,000 to get going with TrafficVance, so I'll just have to continue experimenting with MediaTraffic. I haven't checked out DirectCPV yet, so I'll have to do that since you're having some success with them.

      Thanks for the input. Hope you continue to grow your profits with PPV!

      Todd
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  • Profile picture of the author efrontiers
    Hi, im also starting to use ppv. The success basically depends on the network. What's your success with MT so far? How can I get started?
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    • Profile picture of the author pooter
      Originally Posted by efrontiers View Post

      Hi, im also starting to use ppv. The success basically depends on the network. What's your success with MT so far? How can I get started?
      Hi efrontiers,

      When you say that success basically depends on the network, are you speaking from experience, or is that something you've heard from someone else?

      My success with MT has been limited, but I don't think that it actually has anything to do with that specific network. In other words, I don't think that I would have any more immediate success just by changing to a different network like Traffic Vance.

      I may be wrong with that theory, so if there's someone out there with a different opinion please let me know.

      I have heard that Traffic Vance's traffic converts really well, but I figure that others are definitely making money with MT's traffic, so I should just stick with that for now.

      To get started with MT, just go to their home page and sign up. Then you'll need to fax your ID and another form depending on how you are going to fund your account. Then the last thing you need to do is fund your account with $200 and you're ready to go.

      Hope that helps,

      Todd
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