Which Tax Form For Non US Affiliates?

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I got accepted into EWA Private Network, and I need to download and submit a tax form, but I'm not sure which. It's one of these, but I'm not exactly sure which:-

Form W-8BEN
Form W-8ECI
Form W-8EXP
Form W-8IMY

Any help much appreciated
#ad networks (cpm/cpl, display, sem) #affiliates #form #tax
  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
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  • Profile picture of the author JenaBloosky
    w-8ben.. here's a link to a site where you can print it off. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw8ben.pdf

    Hope that helps!
  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    W8-BEN is what I've always used, however i'm not sure if it's the same for all countries/circumstances
  • Profile picture of the author alliednetw
    What of countries where tax is not paid?What should the applicant do?
  • Profile picture of the author StefanieBloosky
    Contact your AM they can tell you whether or not they need a form from you and if they do, which one they need
  • Profile picture of the author affgal4ever
    I know out of country networks don't require a form from americans, however, many american based networks require a w8 from out of state affiliates
  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

    I got accepted into EWA Private Network, and I need to download and submit a tax form, but I'm not sure which. It's one of these, but I'm not exactly sure which:-

    Form W-8BEN
    Form W-8ECI
    Form W-8EXP
    Form W-8IMY

    Any help much appreciated
    Hey mate

    I joined EWA too since January, made some 4 figure money with them

    I remembered I filled out the Form W-8BEN and everything went well after that. Anyway, I'm an Asian.
  • Profile picture of the author adsquare
    As many others said, it's the w-8ben

    Jared
  • Profile picture of the author Filter
    Technically, I don't think you have to fill it out. Not all networks ask for it for this reason.

    But if they do ask for tax forms, just fill it in. As has been said above, fill out a W8-BEN. Takes 2 minutes. Here's a link to a sample of how to fill it in. This is for an Australian resident but you get the idea....

    http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...ben-sample.jpg

    Cheers
  • Profile picture of the author KC-Coop
    Yep - it's the W-8BEN.
  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Lots of confusion and misinformation in this thread.

    Some foreign affiliates must submit a w-8ben but NOT all.

    Let me try and help clarify this for you:

    Those with NO US activities are not required to. However, you need to understand what US activities means. In a nut shell any affiliate who operates business with a location in the US or who has employees in the US or who owns equipment in the US has US activities.

    Those are they who must file W-8ben.

    For a good explanation of these requirements check out what Google Adsense has written on the subject:

    https://www.google.com/adsense/stati...S/TaxInfo.html

    Generally I would suggest you seek professional tax advice from a certified public accountant regarding these type of questions... but in this case even CPAs seem to get confused unless they have specific experience or specialize in this area.

    Your best bet will be to consult with a CPA who specializes or has knowledge in this area as you can see from the answers in this thread you get mixed responses some saying one thing and some saying another contradicting each other.
  • Profile picture of the author EmpyreRJ
    Form W-8BEN is the form you have to fill up
  • Profile picture of the author LightBurner
    Forgot to mention that Commission Junction has a "Certification Of No United States Activities"

    For those who wonder what it says and/or looks like, I made a copy paste of it:

    ************************************************** ****************

    Certification Of No United States Activities

    Please sign and attest to the following information. By completing this form and clicking SUBMIT FORM you affirm that:

    Publisher represents and warrants that it does not have any employees or equipment located in the United States ("U.S. Activities") that are involved in any way with the revenue that has been or will be earned by Publisher pursuant to the Commission Junction Affiliate Marketing program. U.S. Activities include, but are not limited to, owning a web server or owning a hosting service in the U.S., or having employees in the U.S. who are involved in either:

    Setting up Publisher's web server, hosting service, or website
    Developing content for Publisher's website
    Marketing to create a user base for Publisher's site
    Telephone support for Publisher's site
    Buying products for Publisher's site
    Maintaining Publisher's site

    Certification and signature of Publisher or a duly authorized representative of Publisher

    Publisher represents and warrants that it does not have any employees or equipment located in the United States ("U.S. Activities") that are involved in any way with the revenue that has been or will be earned by Publisher pursuant to the Commission Junction Affiliate Marketing program. U.S. Activities include, but are not limited to, owning a web server or owning a hosting service in the U.S., or having employees in the U.S. who are involved in either:

    Signature *|________________________________________|
    Typing in your name acts as your signature.

    * Required fields

    The date and time of submission and your computer's IP address will be recorded when you click Submit Form.

    ************************************************** ****************

    I guess that if you have any problem with a company, you could probably copy paste that in an email for them to read.
  • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
    Great thread. So as a non-US-Resident how do you go about managing your affairs with those Affiliate program providers (like Hostgator) that simply ask you via automated message in your affiliate screen, to either complete W9 (US Resident) or W-8BEN (non-US-Resident)?
    Will they simply accept that you declare that you have "No United States Activities" by referring sales to them from being based outside of the US?
    Apart from the fact that it might not be needed to complete this form, is there any implication by actually just completing it? I mean, are you sure they won't even submit it to the IRS?
  • Profile picture of the author iwy000
    I always use W8BEN.
  • Profile picture of the author HSSH1113
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  • Profile picture of the author MotiveTeresa
    I always request W8BEN from international affiliates.
  • Profile picture of the author gonzoman925
    sorry to bump an old thread but rolliesworld has a good question, i recently joined hostgator and they were bugging me to fill in that form so i cancelled. should i have to fill it in?
  • Profile picture of the author LightBurner
    When I posted here my "Thank you" reply, I was in the middle of discussions with Commission Junction about this whole W-8BEN. They were adamant that I HAD TO sign the W-8BEN. They were being extremely forceful about it and basically said that if I didn't sign it, I couldn't get paid (which is basically forcing people to sign UNDER DURESS... which is illegal and makes any document void in any court of law! you usually have to write, next to your name, "signed UNDER DURESS" - but I think that if you end up in court about it, you can explain the fact that they've told you that you wouldn't get paid unless you signed the form and that there was nowhere to say that you signed under duress, pretty sure a judge would say the form is void and therefore illegal)... I, then, copy pasted the information the poster provided and within 2-3 business days, Commission Junction was offering the option of signing a Certificate of No U.S. Activities!!!

    No matter what they say, you have the law on your side (if the W-8BEN doesn't apply to you)! I held my ground and now it's available for everybody who wants to sign that certificate.

    I'm currently holding my ground with another company! lol Just sent them this info today and told them to check with their lawyers!

    Know that most of the time, the people answering your questions are people working in call centers and who are told what to say and what to do! The majority of them don't actually know the law! They don't have any interest in getting informed either. And I'm saying that because I worked for many years in call centers where I had to follow protocols/procedures when answering phone calls and emails. So the more you hold your grown, the more they have to escalate your inquiry. The higher it goes, the least they can ignore it. Just make sure that you BCC yourself whenever you send them an email!!!

    If nothing changes no matter what you do, then I suggest finding the names and email addresses of the high ranking people of the company and to send them an email (and include the email thread the call center people and you have been emailing each other) explaining what has been happening with your inquiry and ask them that they resolve the issue by making a Certificate of No U.S. Activities available to everyone who needs it!

    If you're persistent, you'll get the outcome you're looking for because THEY HAVE TO provide you with that option. Not doing so is going against the law!!!

    Good luck to you all!!!

    LB
  • Profile picture of the author LightBurner
    I just noticed that Google AdSense has updated their site and information. Although those were updated, the whole Certificate of No U.S. Activities still stands!

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    Why can't I submit a W8-BEN form as an individual?


    Based on our understanding, due to the nature of the services provided by the Google AdSense program we cannot accept a W-8BEN form from an Individual.

    If you are a nonresident alien individual who earns revenue through our AdSense program, this revenue is characterized as payments for personal services. Therefore, as stated in the instructions to the Form W-8BEN, you must complete the Form 8233 rather than the Form W-8BEN if you believe that you are entitled to an exemption from U.S. income tax withholding on AdSense payments by Google.

    However, before you resubmit a Form W-8 or a Form 8233 we recommend that you review the description of US Activities below to confirm that you do have US Activities and are submitting the correct IRS form. If you do not have US Activities, you will not need to submit any tax forms.

    United States (US) Activities involve having employees or owning equipment in the US that are involved in any way with revenue earned through the AdSense program. This includes, but is not limited to, owning a web server or owning a hosting service in the US, or having employees in the US who are involved in either:

    setting up a web server, hosting service, or website
    developing content for your website
    marketing to create a user base for your site
    telephone support for your site
    buying products for your site
    maintaining your site

    Generally, utilizing an unrelated third-party US web hosting service to host your webpages, renting web servers that are located in the US from an unrelated third party, or having your payment sent to a US Post Office Box or mail forwarding address, do not of themselves constitute US Activities.

    If you do not have US Activities, please click on the Foreign Publisher with no US Activities link and agree to the statement on that page. In this case, no tax forms are required.

    If you do have US Activities, please follow the instructions on the Tax information page to update your current form, or to submit a new form.

    Please note that the tax information collection interface and any tax-related information provided by Google is not intended as and should not be construed as legal, tax, or investment advice. You should always consult your tax advisor to help answer specific questions regarding how tax laws apply to you and/or your business. The tax summary we have provided is necessarily incomplete, and the tax laws and regulations are subject to change. Therefore, Google does not guarantee and is not liable for the accuracy or completeness of any tax information provided, or any results or outcome as a result of the use of this information.

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    Quoted from page: https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/1322037?hl=en

    So to make it clear, W-8BEN cannot be use for payments made for personal services of a nonresident alien individual. Therefore, the Form 8233 has to be used ONLY if you DO have U.S. Activities.

    If you DO NOT HAVE U.S. ACTIVITIES, then you have to sign a "Foreign publisher with no U.S. Activities" form (aka Certificate of No U.S. Activities). In this case, no tax forms are required.

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