Starting CPA adventure with 2000$$$ Budget!

14 years ago

That's more than enough.... I had only credit when I started out. But it took me about 100+ campaigns before I started making really good money (slow learner perhaps). So don't necessarily give up just because 20-30 don't work. So many things to split test. Get friendly with your affiliate manager to hopefully get some good advice on what offers are converting for search/web/display traffic and go from there.

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mpbiz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChadH

That's more than enough.... I had only credit when I started out. But it took me about 100+ campaigns before I started making really good money (slow learner perhaps). So don't necessarily give up just because 20-30 don't work. So many things to split test. Get friendly with your affiliate manager to hopefully get some good advice on what offers are converting for search/web/display traffic and go from there.

Definitely good advice chad. You should also look very deeply into the PPC to CPA Offers game and how everything works. Im sure many of us, now that we know whats up and are more experienced, could have progressed much faster with $2k startup instead of just a credit card and a dream

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Vitaliy K

14 years ago

Yes! you should test lots of campaigns before you can start earning really good money with CPAs

Originally Posted by ChadH

That's more than enough.... I had only credit when I started out. But it took me about 100+ campaigns before I started making really good money (slow learner perhaps). So don't necessarily give up just because 20-30 don't work. So many things to split test. Get friendly with your affiliate manager to hopefully get some good advice on what offers are converting for search/web/display traffic and go from there.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChadH

That's more than enough.... I had only credit when I started out. But it took me about 100+ campaigns before I started making really good money (slow learner perhaps). So don't necessarily give up just because 20-30 don't work. So many things to split test. Get friendly with your affiliate manager to hopefully get some good advice on what offers are converting for search/web/display traffic and go from there.

Thanks for your encouraging advice man! I dont have to make really good money with this 2K$ , only trying to find out something that can bring in some steady income before I burn out. I am hoping to talk to you guys more often and directly but I know you guys' time are really valueable ,but still I really want to get more specific advices if you can help .

Originally Posted by mpbiz

Definitely good advice chad. You should also look very deeply into the PPC to CPA Offers game and how everything works. Im sure many of us, now that we know whats up and are more experienced, could have progressed much faster with $2k startup instead of just a credit card and a dream

Thanks man , I have some really good high value tutorials in PPC--->CPA game, but not sure if it harder recently with my situation, I saw posts saying people threw 1-2K $ and testing out offers but get no results ,that makes me a little bit more worried.

Originally Posted by lobozebra

sounds like a good plan, but i dnt have an extra $2000 laying around like you, lol.

I dont have any useful tips for you now , but like mpbiz said , keep trying, hope one day we all can be successed,cheers!

Originally Posted by mpbiz

dont let lack of funds stop you man anything is possible if you really want it bad enough

Yea, totally agree with you , thats also the spirit encouaged me to go this far , I know I still have a lot to experience to really get on the track of success.

Originally Posted by mpbiz

run dating offers on fb you cant lose

Thanks man! I will definitely try it out , newbies like me just need advices as specific as possible ,really appericated.

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ChadH

14 years ago

As for starting without funds... be careful. Obviously try to use free methods if you can and if you don't have the nerve to lay other peoples money down. It's not the best idea anyway.

BUT... whether you have money or not, it's good to remember something. Now I can't take credit for this, maaayyybe it was Jonathan Van Clute that said it, perhaps someone can clarify.... but he once said something to the effect of:

"There are 4 ways a campaign can go for the most part. Big win, little win, little loss, big loss. No matter what, avoid the big loss. The big loss is typically caused by emotion and chasing. If you avoid the big loss, little wins and little losses will cancel each other out in the long run, and you'll only be left with Big Wins".

I found this to be true. In the beginning though you will pause and stop campaigns too early. All my best campaigns would have me losing money at first until it was optimized.

Keep your daily budgets fairly low until you have optimized then you can scale up. That's a safer way of doing it.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChadH

As for starting without funds... be careful. Obviously try to use free methods if you can and if you don't have the nerve to lay other peoples money down. It's not the best idea anyway.

BUT... whether you have money or not, it's good to remember something. Now I can't take credit for this, maaayyybe it was Jonathan Van Clute that said it, perhaps someone can clarify.... but he once said something to the effect of:

"There are 4 ways a campaign can go for the most part. Big win, little win, little loss, big loss. No matter what, avoid the big loss. The big loss is typically caused by emotion and chasing. If you avoid the big loss, little wins and little losses will cancel each other out in the long run, and you'll only be left with Big Wins".

I found this to be true. In the beginning though you will pause and stop campaigns too early. All my best campaigns would have me losing money at first until it was optimized.

Keep your daily budgets fairly low until you have optimized then you can scale up. That's a safer way of doing it.

Dude, this is turely the golden stragtegy , I will totally bear this in my mind. And how much you spent before you decide its a winner , I mean in ppc , or any other traffic source?

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williamrs

14 years ago

I use to say that newbies should start with free traffic sources, but your situation seems to be different. You have a $2,000 budget, which is very good.

So I would recommend you to go with PPC (not media buying, because it's even more expensive... take a look on Charlie Ngo's interview at TV202). However, just becuase you have $2,000 it doesn't mean that you should spends $100s to test a campaign that will never produce results, or your money will completely disappear in few days. Here are some tips that will help you:

1. Search or content network? Make your choice before you get started. Creating campaigns for search and CN is not just the same thing. You don't want to go broad and start thinking for both of them. Just make your choice and stick at it. If you don't have experience with PPC I would suggest you to try the content network first, but it's your choice.

2. Talk to your affiliate manager. Keeping in touch with your affiliate manager is very important, because he knows what's performing well with your traffic source and what is not. So make sure that you ask him some advice before getting started. It will save you time and money, since he is going to prevent you from promoting the wrong offers.

3. If you can, avoid offers that require CC. Email, zip and short form submits are the best ones to start with. However, if you want to bet your money on free trials that have a high EPC (I know, it's a temptation!), make sure that you build your landing pages properly. You have to avoid Google slap (if working with Google) at the same time you presell the product. I use to use landing pages with an opt-in form and expose people to a review page only after they subscribe for my list. However, when doing this you will need to have a pretty high opt-in rate to keep your campaign alive.

4. Don't work with too many verticals. Some people may disagree here, but this is my opinion. If you want people to perform a specific action you need to know how they think and offer them exactly what they are looking for. You need to be inside your customer's mind. So the more you work on a vertical the more you will understand your customers. However, if you are always jumping from one niche to another you will never know what people think when buying a product. So choose 2 or 3 (no more) verticals and stick at them. For beginners I recommend mobile and dating, but if you don't care about competition and want to get the really big fishes, health and bizopp are good verticals.

5. Don't give up! If you decide to start making money with PPC, make money with PPC! If you lose $500, or even $1,000 with PPC and then give up and move on to SEO, you will lose everything! If you want to make money with internet marketing you need to be good on something, and you will never master a system if you change your mind every time you fail. You will fail. There is no doubt about that. However, I'm also sure that you will succeed if you don't decide to move on to another system and start everything again. Because it's what happens when you give up of a system and move on to another one, you lose everything that you had learned and restart the learning process.

That's it. Hope it helps you.

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ChadH

14 years ago

Merlin... originally I would spend up until double the payout of the offer before pausing that particularly keyword or adgroup. You can use this as a VERY general guideline.

I will say now that I have more experience that this is a flawed strategy as I have been able to turn campaigns around via split testing landers and rotating different offers.

The more elements you put in the mix (ads, landers, offers) the more you need to spend to get enough data. I'd say 100 clicks to each element via a CPC campaign is another very general guideline that I used starting out.

Tracking is huge for this as I will generally have a solid epc after 20 conversions or so.

William brings up some good points. I did start out with low payout offers and I just didn't like it to be honest. I like high payout high ticket items, you have far more room to move imo. If the payout is $30-40 or more, I can bid $2/click with no worries.

I typically bid high and budget low whether on content or search. This allows me to get top positions and test my ads quickly to get the highest CTR I can. That's always my goal right out of the gate, my CTR, because this will bring your CPC down whether its on Google, Facebook, Yahoo etc... also, always keeping CTR in mind is great since once you get past these platforms and move to a CPM model, you will really be tested on CTR. With CPM, you really should strongly focus on high ctr.

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JustinDupre

14 years ago

Best advice I can give you is to get your head out of those ebooks and seminars and just do something

Trial and error will always be your best teacher.

You could have taken the thousands you've spent on those and invested in actually trying to promote some offers with free info on the web. The info you see on the web is sufficient and usually just as good as those $2000 "guru" ebooks.

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williamrs

14 years ago

Chad,

Yes, there is more money to be made when dealing with offers that have a payout above $30, and we can bid higher, too. However, there are 2 reasons why I said that I think that beginners should start with low cost offers:

1. They will get more conversions - When I first started with PPC I was promoting Clickbank products. My first campaigns got absolutely no conversions, and that's frustrating.

2. Beginners may lose a lot of money using high bids. Is it possible to bid $2 when delaing with an offer that pays $30 or more, as you stated? Absolutely! However, what if you get no conversions? After 100 clicks you will have lost over $150, which can be a lot for a beginner. However, if you are bidding $.30, after 100 clicks and no conversions (it's not likely to happen if you are promoting a free offer, but...) you will have lost $30 (5x less).

Anyway, you started promoting offers with a low payout, I started promoting Clickbank products (commissions above $30), and both of us regret what we did. What does it mean? That there is not a 1, 2, 3 formula to make money with PPC.

Conclusion: if you're just starting, make sure that you have a good budget and split-test several offers in order to figure out what works for you.

William

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Kenster

14 years ago

My advice is almost always to start with free traffic just to get the hang of things, even if you do have money to invest. If you are new to CPA, even if you have 1mil to start, I would still suggest doing a few weeks of free traffic at least to start just to learn the foundation of CPA such as testing, tracking, optimizing, etc

Everybody has an urge to get into PPC and other paid traffic from the get go because they hear that is where the big money is. But, almost every successful marketer that I know actually started with free methods and not a lot of cash....its weird how that works sometimes.

At the end of the day, whatever you do, make sure you are tracking, testing, and optimizing the heck out of anything and everything you try!

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Ben Bergmann

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

My advice is almost always to start with free traffic just to get the hang of things, even if you do have money to invest. If you are new to CPA, even if you have 1mil to start, I would still suggest doing a few weeks of free traffic at least to start just to learn the foundation of CPA such as testing, tracking, optimizing, etc

Everybody has an urge to get into PPC and other paid traffic from the get go because they hear that is where the big money is. But, almost every successful marketer that I know actually started with free methods and not a lot of cash....its weird how that works sometimes.

At the end of the day, whatever you do, make sure you are tracking, testing, and optimizing the heck out of anything and everything you try!

Hi Kenster,

Which free methods would you suggest for a CPA beginner if you don't mind me asking?

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

My advice is almost always to start with free traffic just to get the hang of things, even if you do have money to invest. If you are new to CPA, even if you have 1mil to start, I would still suggest doing a few weeks of free traffic at least to start just to learn the foundation of CPA such as testing, tracking, optimizing, etc

Everybody has an urge to get into PPC and other paid traffic from the get go because they hear that is where the big money is. But, almost every successful marketer that I know actually started with free methods and not a lot of cash....its weird how that works sometimes.

At the end of the day, whatever you do, make sure you are tracking, testing, and optimizing the heck out of anything and everything you try!

A good advice from Kenster (as always).

The first buck I made online was using free traffic, and my main income source still deals only with free traffic. However, I started a few PPC campaigns not too long ago and they are already making me as much money as my sites receiving free traffic. Of course, I was not new to PPC, I already had promoted Clickbank products using this traffic source.

However, I had to work several months to build a decent income with IM using only free traffic (article m. & SEO), and then I almost doubled my income with PPC in few weeks!

Please, don't get me wrong, I don't want to mislead beginners. I had a budget and experience, so I'm not saying that a newbie can achieve the same results. However, I'm saying that, based on my experience, PPC is where the big money is (I can't talk about PPV and media buying because I don't work with them). And the good news: PPC is not all that hard! It's all about having a budget, choosing the right approach and being persistent. So if a person has a budget as high as $2k, which is a lot for a beginner, I think that doing PPC is not something crazy.

Basically, for free methods you need patience (time) and for PPC you need money. If you have more money than time, using paid traffic can be not a bad idea.

PPC is not a monster that eats people's wallet. With SEO and article marketing you are always taking the risk of investing a lot of time on a campaign without getting the expected results. And your time is worth money. So there is not a bad and a good system. It's 100% up to the person, some people have more money and others have more time. Choose what's the best option for you and go ahead!

William

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

A good advice from Kenster (as always).

The first buck I made online was using free traffic, and my main income source still deals only with free traffic. However, I started a few PPC campaigns not too long ago and they are already making me as much money as my sites receiving free traffic. Of course, I was not new to PPC, I already had promoted Clickbank products using this traffic source.

However, I had to work several months to build a decent income with IM using only free traffic (article m. & SEO), and then I almost doubled my income with PPC in few weeks!

Please, don't get me wrong, I don't want to mislead beginners. I had a budget and experience, so I'm not saying that a newbie can achieve the same results. However, I'm saying that, based on my experience, PPC is where the big money is (I can't talk about PPV and media buying because I don't work with them). And the good news: PPC is not all that hard! It's all about having a budget, choosing the right approach and being persistent. So if a person has a budget as high as $2k, which is a lot for a beginner, I think that doing PPC is not something crazy.

Basically, for free methods you need patience (time) and for PPC you need money. If you have more money than time, using paid traffic can be not a bad idea.

PPC is not a monster that eats people's wallet. With SEO and article marketing you are always taking the risk of investing a lot of time on a campaign without getting the expected results. And your time is worth money. So there is not a bad and a good system. It's 100% up to the person, some people have more money and others have more time. Choose what's the best option for you and go ahead!

William

Very good advice William

I would also add regarding the difficulty of PPC is that it really isn't that tough as you mentioned but you really need to be willing to put in the work to build a campaign. Its not about slapping up some keyword and hoping you will cover your costs and make an autopilot income stream.

You really need to be willing to pull of your sleeves, and be prepared to track like crazy, test and optimize like crazy, and then test and track some more. Again, not rocket science, but it work.

The great thing is that #1 there is a lot of software that makes testing and tracking easier than ever. Stuff like SpeedPPC and T or P202 etc. Amazing stuff. The other great thing is that once you do optimize a campaign, assuming its a money maker, then there really isnt that much work from there on out and of course the rewards to be reaped can be huge.

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RyanEagle

14 years ago

Start with social (PPC / CPM) - it's always what I suggest to my affiliates. You can limit your budget and still get big profits. Try Plenty of Fish!

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chukkey4ever 14 years ago

hi..am also interested in knowing what the best free methods of promotion cpa offers are...
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- Kenster 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Ben Bergmann
  
  Hi Kenster,
  
  Which free methods would you suggest for a CPA beginner if you don't mind me asking?
  
  Originally Posted by chukkey4ever
  
  hi..am also interested in knowing what the best free methods of promotion cpa offers are...
  
  There are many free methods that work just fine including but not limited to the following:
  
  Video Marketing - create videos using software or by hand that promotes a cpa offer in some way and then upload to video portals. Somewhere in the video you will have your domain or in the description, or in both. Can get lots of free traffic from YouTube alone!
  
  Article Marketing - Some people do really well with this. Create articles relating to a specific cpa offer or cpa offer niche and then have your link at the bottom of the article. Its possible to get good ranking and high traffic very fast if you target the right keywords.
  
  Offline Marketing - Flyers are the way I started and they work well, it just involves work to actually distribute them!
  
  Classifieds/Chat/etc - Manually convince people to sign up for your CPA offer through these portals. Can set up a landing page, blog, etc to link people to (which will have your CPA offer on) or can direct link!
  
  Niche Blog - set up a niche blog, either free or paid and find some way to match it with a CPA offer, then try and then rank for niche specific keywords
  
  Plenty of opportunity to do well with just free methods alone!!
  
  Ken
  
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fbland87

14 years ago

I agree 2k is more than enough I happen to like ppv better though

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Virus

14 years ago

Merlin, I lost $750 in my first month of internet marketing but i never gave up so i am still here. There are lot of methods you can start with for free so be careful while you can do free, do some research befoer investing your money.

This is your first time so expect some loss but never lose heart.

"In internet Marketing we never fail, its just we give up early"

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cpabrainstormer

14 years ago

Hey Merlin!

I've been in internet marketing now for almost 2 years. I started CPA marketing about 6 months ago and I've had some pretty decent success. With a 2k budget you should have absolutely no problem getting your CPA business up and running. If you're new to this and you need some advice, I have a CPA marketing blog where I document everything I do on a day-to-day basis. I just started the blog about a month ago, but there's some pretty good content up there already. I'm no "guru" but I do have a pretty solid understanding of CPA marketing. So if you do check out the site, let me know what you think and if you ever need any advice/help with getting your business off the ground, feel free to email me or leave a post on my blog!

Best of Luck to You!

Tim

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skygod

14 years ago

I think $2000 won't make you money, but it's a good investment for long run to optimize future traffic and earning. That $2000 was to eliminate the campaigns or ad groups that don't convert well and once you have the converting campaigns, then you can invest as much as you want since you know it's gonna convert. That's from my past experience.

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Benhur

14 years ago

Hi William,

I guess your using some kind of a tools to make this happen. Just wondering if
its ok to share this on this forum.

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williamrs 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Benhur

Hi William,

I guess your using some kind of a tools to make this happen. Just wondering if
its ok to share this on this forum.

Benhur,

Yes, I use some softwares. The main one is Prosper202, which is completely free. As Kenster said, in order to make money with PPC you need to track like crazy, and this software makes this task much easier.

Besides P202 I also use Keyword Elite 2.0 and Traffic Travis Professional. However, these are secondary tools and you don't really need them to make money with PPC. So, in my opinion, the only software that's essential for you to succeed with PPC is P202 (or a similar tool).

William
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Merlingeek

14 years ago

I cant thank to you guys enough ,sorry ,I am really busy doing the prepare works. II can not reply every posts of you guys .BTW ,whats the best tracking software if we do not consider its price . Xremconversion, Prosper202, statesjunky, conversion prophet or any others? Or any of you guys use a hybrid of these ? thanks men!! You guys are the very reasons I love WF , thats just Fxxking A!!!

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williamrs

14 years ago

I have been using P202 and I'm 100% satisfied. I think that there is absolutely no reason for you to buy another tracking software now. Create your first campaigns, split-test and track them with P202. As your business grows you may consider other softwares.

William

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patje72

14 years ago

I am about in the same position as the topic starter. I own 2 SEO based websites in the Netherlands and I make about 3000-3500 euro (about $4000) a month. I also have a full time job, so the money I make on the Internet is a nice bonus.

I want to use about 50% of my Internet money on CPA, so I have about $ 2000 to spend each month. I am not affraid to lose money for testing etc.

The reason I want to go to the US and UK market is the payout. In the Netherlands we pay about the same for PPC and many times more for mediabuying. And the payout is horrible. For example when people buy...yes buy a $50 bottle of diet pills, you only get $6 commission. And it's quit normal you have to wait for 3-4 months to get your money.

In three weeks I go on a vacation for two weeks. So I wait (yeh...I know) till I am back. I think monitoring and tracking, split testing is not something I should do on a holiday!

When I start this project, I will start a topic!

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by patje72

I am about in the same position as the topic starter. I own 2 SEO based websites in the Netherlands and I make about 3000-3500 euro (about $4000) a month. I also have a full time job, so the money I make on the Internet is a nice bonus.

I want to use about 50% of my Internet money on CPA, so I have about $ 2000 to spend each month. I am not affraid to lose money for testing etc.

The reason I want to go to the US and UK market is the payout. In the Netherlands we pay about the same for PPC and many times more for mediabuying. And the payout is horrible. For example when people buy...yes buy a $50 bottle of diet pills, you only get $6 commission. And it's quit normal you have to wait for 3-4 months to get your money.

In three weeks I go on a vacation for two weeks. So I wait (yeh...I know) till I am back. I think monitoring and tracking, split testing is not something I should do on a holiday!

When I start this project, I will start a topic!

Nice, you may be able to leverage the nice payout of international CPA offers with campaigns in your country. Just something to think about.

Do most people speak/read English as well in the Netherlands?

...and keep us posted, would love to see how you do

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by patje72

I am about in the same position as the topic starter. I own 2 SEO based websites in the Netherlands and I make about 3000-3500 euro (about $4000) a month. I also have a full time job, so the money I make on the Internet is a nice bonus.

I want to use about 50% of my Internet money on CPA, so I have about $ 2000 to spend each month. I am not affraid to lose money for testing etc.

The reason I want to go to the US and UK market is the payout. In the Netherlands we pay about the same for PPC and many times more for mediabuying. And the payout is horrible. For example when people buy...yes buy a $50 bottle of diet pills, you only get $6 commission. And it's quit normal you have to wait for 3-4 months to get your money.

In three weeks I go on a vacation for two weeks. So I wait (yeh...I know) till I am back. I think monitoring and tracking, split testing is not something I should do on a holiday!

When I start this project, I will start a topic!

You have the budget, which is a problem for most people who are getting started with PPC, so you are already in a good position.

Now, you need to start testing some campaigns. I recommend you to choose simple offers (e.g. email and short form submits) and avoid very competitive niches where the bids go crazy (e.g. debt relief, insurance). Create simple landing pages or even direct link, make some tests and see what performs well for you. When you are just starting, don't invest a lot of time and money on campaigns that require a super landing page, high bids and a lot of split-tests. Keep it simple and start with the easier offers. Mobile, dating and games can be good niches to start with.

And make sure that you create a new thread when you actually start your first campaigns so that people can help you to deal with your results

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William

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patje72

14 years ago

Thanks William,

It's so tempting to start with the **** trials which pay a LOT...but maybe just start with simple offers is better.

I know there has been a lot of discussion about my question....but for zips and emails....PPV, Mediabuying or PPC?

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by patje72

Thanks William,

It's so tempting to start with the **** trials which pay a LOT...but maybe just start with simple offers is better.

I know there has been a lot of discussion about my question....but for zips and emails....PPV, Mediabuying or PPC?

I can't give you a good answer for this question, because I don't work with PPV and media buying. However, it's possible to make some money using email submits and PPC, you just need to be smart and find the right combinations!

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ihatemels 14 years ago

Good info in this thread thanks..i have a question, can i use Prosper 202 tracking for PPC direct linking? thanks
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axina

14 years ago

I do not think $2000 is enough to test. You need more money.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by axina

I do not think $2000 is enough to test. You need more money.

It depends on how you work. If you are going to start working on very competitive niches promoting free trials and bidding $1 - $1.50 you may need more money. However, if you start promoting short form submits, dating or mobile offers you will be able to work with much lower bids and test several campaigns with a relatively small investment.

It's also possible to use image ads with AdWords or work with other PPC companies such as Bing, Yahoo, Bidvertiser, AOL, etc in order to pay less for the inital traffic, and then move on to Google search when you already have some numbers.

$2K is more than enough, it's all about being smart

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

It depends on how you work. If you are going to start working on very competitive niches promoting free trials and bidding $1 - $1.50 you may need more money. However, if you start promoting short form submits, dating or mobile offers you will be able to work with much lower bids and test several campaigns with a relatively small investment.

It's also possible to use image ads with AdWords or work with other PPC companies such as Bing, Yahoo, Bidvertiser, AOL, etc in order to pay less for the inital traffic, and then move on to Google search when you already have some numbers.

$2K is more than enough, it's all about being smart

.

William

William is correct and thats the great thing about CPA...you can start in more uncompetitive markets, traffic sources, etc to get the hang of things and still hopefully make some money, but significantly reduce your risk.

If you try and jump in with the CPA sharks in the competitive niches, traffic, offers, etc it will be very tough to make money, no matter what your budget.

Think big, set high goals, but start smart and value every testing $1 as if that is all you have!

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14 years ago

imo - start with seo, once you see some progress, start working with ppc

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Jag82 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisBa

imo - start with seo, once you see some progress, start working with ppc

If you have a budget...I will highly recommend that
you start the other way round.

PPC 1st (or PPV)...then scale using SEO (which
I rather outsource).

Why paid traffic first? Because you can quickly
gather data and find out which keywords
are profitable and worth optimizing for...and
which are not.

Because you know what's working...this will
actually save you plenty of time and money later
when you do your SEO campaign.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Anyone knows the best PPV tutorials ,please recommend to me! I really need to study a little bit of PPV . Yes My fist option is still PPC ,but how can I overlook PPV? Thanks to you guys,I got plenty of useful tips here. This thread will not be dead ,unless I quit this CPA adventure or burned out. I will put on a live show here.And let people what I am doing ,and how I did that. what's my failure and whats my success.
But I recently still doing some preparation works , so nothing is new here , but I got hook up by some CPA networks , thanks to Ryan, you guys are truely proactive ,that even make me look like a lazy ass, LOL!!!!

And Repeat, ANYONE HAVE BEST PPV TUTORIALs OR EBOOK ,Please RECOMMEND it TO me! (I know I need to save money on CPA)

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PPC-Coach

14 years ago

It's been almost 2 weeks since this thread was started.

How many campaigns have you launched so far?

Spending 2 weeks asking about what works or what doesn't could have been used taking action.

Sorry but you're developing a bad habit right out of the gate. The number one factor for success is taking the first step. Instead of looking for the best guide or ebook, JUMP IN. Post your specific questions and get help that way.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

It's been almost 2 weeks since this thread was started.

How many campaigns have you launched so far?

Spending 2 weeks asking about what works or what doesn't could have been used taking action.

Sorry but you're developing a bad habit right out of the gate. The number one factor for success is taking the first step. Instead of looking for the best guide or ebook, JUMP IN. Post your specific questions and get help that way.

Thanks to your advice, I really appericated. In my hometown there is an old saying "bitter words give you the truth" .But my situation is kinda different as you assumed. I am teaming up with other people, something have to be done before offcially started. In this period I can learn something I overlooked or missed before. But still this thread and warriors chimed in or just viewed will be the witnesses to my big failure or success! I also cant wait to dive into it. To die or to be successed is not a question to me anymore. If you can just keep throwing your personal experiences , trust me ,this post will be a longest one.

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Globe_Trotter13

14 years ago

Lots of awesome info/tips on this thread. Big kudos to everyone who has contributed, specially to Kenster (as always) and to William (i've been enjoying reading your posts a lot!Parabens pelo succeso cara!).

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Globe_Trotter13

Lots of awesome info/tips on this thread. Big kudos to everyone who has contributed, specially to Kenster (as always) and to William (i've been enjoying reading your posts a lot!Parabens pelo succeso cara!).

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simplegirl

14 years ago

why start CPA with 2k ? Many people are using FREE traffic methods to drive leads for CPA network. Why risk your hard earn money ?

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Merlingeek 14 years ago

Originally Posted by simplegirl

why start CPA with 2k ? Many people are using FREE traffic methods to drive leads for CPA network. Why risk your hard earn money ?

I dont think there is any actually free traffic, maybe some cheaper traffic do exsits. SEO need to do a lot of content creating or linkbuilding work,if you outsource it ,it will cost you some money , mostly not very cheap.

But thanks a lot , any suggestions and oppions are all welcome.
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Originally Posted by simplegirl

why start CPA with 2k ? Many people are using FREE traffic methods to drive leads for CPA network. Why risk your hard earn money ?

Yes, you can start with free traffic, BUT investing capital can expedite the learning curve and help you make money faster. There is a proper way to invest in your CPA business...it is not to start throwing money at paid traffic without proper and methodical testing. But, if you purchase software, products etc, these things CAN help you make money quicker. Of course its possible to do without cash, but who do you think would make money sooner on average....a person starting out from scratch on his own, or that same person who starts out and has a coach?

Of course the person with the coach has a better chance to learn and earn more quickly!

So, its not wrong to invest in yourself and your business, but there is a right way and wrong way to do it
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Originally Posted by simplegirl

why start CPA with 2k ? Many people are using FREE traffic methods to drive leads for CPA network. Why risk your hard earn money ?

I'm a big fan of paid traffic. You don't have to wait long before you find out whether you offer converts well or not. Time is money.
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Merlingeek

14 years ago

My investment is triple now , thats 6K bucks . Yes ,the extra 4K comes from my 2 team member.And I am the leader of this 3men band. Tools we have so far are Speedppc ,Affiliate Prophet ,StatsJunky,LPgen, and free ones. My MCC already linked the other 2 adwords account. FB and POF is on the way. ANd I am still asking you guys to recommend me a couple of best PPV tutorials you have read. Alot of work need to be done , we are several days away to get offically start .

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

My investment is triple now , thats 6K bucks . Yes ,the extra 4K comes from my 2 team member.And I am the leader of this 3men band. Tools we have so far are Speedppc ,Affiliate Prophet ,StatsJunky,LPgen, and free ones. My MCC already linked the other 2 adwords account. FB and POF is on the way. ANd I am still asking you guys to recommend me a couple of best PPV tutorials you have read. Alot of work need to be done , we are several days away to get offically start .

Good luck man. And don't forget to keep us posted on your results (not like so many others that open a thread asking for help, receive it and when they start making money vanish into thin air)
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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Phobos

Good luck man. And don't forget to keep us posted on your results (not like so many others that open a thread asking for help, receive it and when they start making money vanish into thin air)

Dude I am not that way. I already made my promise in this thread. And also there is not any WSO under my signature area, nothing commercial , totally real life show.

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

My investment is triple now , thats 6K bucks . Yes ,the extra 4K comes from my 2 team member.And I am the leader of this 3men band. Tools we have so far are Speedppc ,Affiliate Prophet ,StatsJunky,LPgen, and free ones. My MCC already linked the other 2 adwords account. FB and POF is on the way. ANd I am still asking you guys to recommend me a couple of best PPV tutorials you have read. Alot of work need to be done , we are several days away to get offically start .

Good stuff man.

That is exactly what I mean by having investment capital can help shorten the learning curve because if you invest in the right tools, that is exactly what the goal is.

SpeedPPC is awesome, LPgen is fantastic, Statsjunky I am not as hot on but its okay. Even better than the individual software is your ability to combine software. This can be a competitive advantage in its own right. Ie, LPgen is great and SpeedPPC is great, combine the two and the synergy is even more great!

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

Good stuff man.

That is exactly what I mean by having investment capital can help shorten the learning curve because if you invest in the right tools, that is exactly what the goal is.

SpeedPPC is awesome, LPgen is fantastic, Statsjunky I am not as hot on but its okay. Even better than the individual software is your ability to combine software. This can be a competitive advantage in its own right. Ie, LPgen is great and SpeedPPC is great, combine the two and the synergy is even more great!

Dude, cant you also suggest me some PPV tutorials ?

Really I dont think I can just simply say thanks to you guys , infact I am really really appericated about your tips and experience shared in my thread and the whole forum.

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jurek54

14 years ago

I started my carrier in cpa game on 05/14.Till today I try 16 offers (27 campaigns) from insurance thru emails and paid services.Spent ca. $400 ,got back $96.20 after 9 actions.11542 clicks .4 actions on my own landing page (banner), 5 from ppv traffic.I used 8 traffic delivering companies (mostly ppv,2 media,adwords in Yahoo, cpc on Facebook).
I think ,it's not about how much you have at disposal,it's rather who you paying for (I already cancel 3 ppv accounts),what targets in ppv you are choosing and how resistant you are against "suggested bid $ " from your friendly automated friend from ppc or ppv.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by jurek54

I started my carrier in cpa game on 05/14.Till today I try 16 offers (27 campaigns) from insurance thru emails and paid services.Spent ca. $400 ,got back $96.20 after 9 actions.11542 clicks .4 actions on my own landing page (banner), 5 from ppv traffic.I used 8 traffic delivering companies (mostly ppv,2 media,adwords in Yahoo, cpc on Facebook).
I think ,it's not about how much you have at disposal,it's rather who you paying for (I already cancel 3 ppv accounts),what targets in ppv you are choosing and how resistant you are against "suggested bid $ " from your friendly automated friend from ppc or ppv.
Jurek

Do you mind to tell me more about your experiment in CPA? Such as your background experience , how much and what you have learned in PPC PPV and media buys etc.? And whats your tools mostly using ? I dont think setup too many different traffic source account is the good way at the beginning , I expect you guys can share some good traffic sources, I mean the PPV or Media buys networks. So I can save money and energy to test some low quality traffic resources all by myself.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

Do you mind to tell me more about your experiment in CPA? Such as your background experience , how much and what you have learned in PPC PPV and media buys etc.? And whats your tools mostly using ? I dont think setup too many different traffic source account is the good way at the beginning , I expect you guys can share some good traffic sources, I mean the PPV or Media buys networks. So I can save money and energy to test some low quality traffic resources all by myself.

hey Merlingeek !
It's not experiment ,it's my business man !

Background experience - 4 months in reading and books & ebooks baying.
Last two weeks of ACTION ! PPC - not bad but too expensive (my niche is very competitive) ,ppv -good in Media Traffic , just started with Adon.Very promising start with Facebook ,then suddenly down.$1-2 in ppv did not work for me in ppv (with and with out my kw and url's).It doesn't mean that you not suppose to check it for yourself.

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jurek54

I started my carrier in cpa game on 05/14.Till today I try 16 offers (27 campaigns) from insurance thru emails and paid services.Spent ca. $400 ,got back $96.20 after 9 actions.11542 clicks .4 actions on my own landing page (banner), 5 from ppv traffic.I used 8 traffic delivering companies (mostly ppv,2 media,adwords in Yahoo, cpc on Facebook).
I think ,it's not about how much you have at disposal,it's rather who you paying for (I already cancel 3 ppv accounts),what targets in ppv you are choosing and how resistant you are against "suggested bid $ " from your friendly automated friend from ppc or ppv.
Jurek

Too many verticals, too many offers, too many traffic sources... Don't go too broad. Choose 1 or 2 verticals, contact your affiliate manager and select a few offers, choose 1 or 2 traffic sources and start testing some campaigns.

Now, you can start using the offers that have already converted for you. You know that they convert, so you just need to improve your landing page, ads, keywords, etc until you get a positive ROI.

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jurek54

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

Too many verticals, too many offers, too many traffic sources... Don't go too broad. Choose 1 or 2 verticals, contact your affiliate manager and select a few offers, choose 1 or 2 traffic sources and start testing some campaigns.

Now, you can start using the offers that have already converted for you. You know that they convert, so you just need to improve your landing page, ads, keywords, etc until you get a positive ROI.

William

...so William ,its like "Newbie Annihilation" ,ha ?

Seriously,thanks for your good advise ,but being totally new in IM ,I try to find ,like you said "my vertical".Idea was to get conversion on good paying offers to finance my journey thru others one. Will try correct my action (but it is not a promise ...
Do you think any of your WSO can help me ?

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jurek54

...so William ,its like "Newbie Annihilation" ,ha ?

Seriously,thanks for your good advise ,but being totally new in IM ,I try to find ,like you said "my vertical".Idea was to get conversion on good paying offers to finance my journey thru others one. Will try correct my action (but it is not a promise ...
Do you think any of your WSO can help me ?

Not exactly... Newbie Annihilation is a course that I created with the purpose of showing newbies how to get started with IM. Of course, there is an entire video (13 min) about focus and mindset, but the course involves many other things. Also, CPA is not the main focus of this course, although you can use the same techniques to drive traffic to CPA offers.

So, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't recommend you to buy one of my WSOs. Actually, I don't recommend you to buy any ebook, video course, etc. You have already tried several offers and many traffic sources. You've got a negative ROI, but made some money. The purpose of the WSOs is to show you how to find a winner without spending all the money that you've spent, but now you have already burned your wallet and learned the lessons the hard way. Now, I think that you should choose the traffic source and offer that produced the best results for you and stick at them until you make money.

You've made over $90, so you are not doing everything wrong. Just choose one traffic source and work on it using 2 or 3 offers that have performed well for you. Contact your affiliate manager if necessary and ask for advice, but put your focus on something and stick at it.

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Kenster

14 years ago

Its okay to try a bunch of things to start jsut to see which direction you want to take.

BUT, once you pick a direction, THEN ITS VERY IMPORTANT to stick with that and make it work. Get good at it and dont give. Dont give up and then dont give up. Each method works so figure out how to make it work!

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jurek54

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

Its okay to try a bunch of things to start jsut to see which direction you want to take.

BUT, once you pick a direction, THEN ITS VERY IMPORTANT to stick with that and make it work. Get good at it and dont give. Dont give up and then dont give up. Each method works so figure out how to make it work!

Ken,
I fallowing your post for last 5 months.You are smart guy.I will "stick" but I think its too early for me yet.Having one cpa network at my disposal its not so easy to stick.
Yes,I'm filling bad many times ,but want to retired in 5 years (its time!) so ,will not give up !

I already have all yous guides that is why will not ask ....

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jurek54

Ken,
I fallowing your post for last 5 months.You are smart guy.I will "stick" but I think its too early for me yet.Having one cpa network at my disposal its not so easy to stick.
Yes,I'm filling bad many times ,but want to retired in 5 years (its time!) so ,will not give up !

I already have all yous guides that is why will not ask ....

Okay buddy! A slower pace is just fine...just quietly keep trying things until something excited you with its potential, then BAM jump on it and go from there. Its okay not to be too agressive right out of the gate!

And of course, if you need anything, let us/me know.

Good luck on your retirement goal!

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

I will officially get start in 3 days. One more thing I wanna confirm from you guys. PPC or mostly Adwords may not be the best way to earn money with CPA at the very beginning ,but still the most important traffic source to crank out the winner offer, am I right?

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jurek54

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

I will officially get start in 3 days. One more thing I wanna confirm from you guys. PPC or mostly Adwords may not be the best way to earn money with CPA at the very beginning ,but still the most important traffic source to crank out the winner offer, am I right?

from what I know ,probably yes.But please consider that I just started almost 2 weeks ago.
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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

I will officially get start in 3 days. One more thing I wanna confirm from you guys. PPC or mostly Adwords may not be the best way to earn money with CPA at the very beginning ,but still the most important traffic source to crank out the winner offer, am I right?

Yes, it's correct. You can (should) make a lot of money with AdWords, but if you are new to this game and want to test some PPC campaigns I recommend you to try other companies that have cheaper traffic. For example, if you want to promote a dating offer, go to Facebook. FB allows you to target the demographics and has a lower cpc, and their traffic will be great to help you figure out if your offer converts or not. Then, when you already have some numbers, you can move on to Google.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Actually, I will follow what AC taught .Use adwords crank out potential winner. then expand to other traffic sources. But since many people are crying loud that adwords are dead, I do have a little bit concern if I need to change the whole plan to start with other cheaper ,lower competitive traffic sources . I am actually struggling .

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jurek54 14 years ago

don't be a chicken !
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  don't be a chicken !
  
  Haha
  
  Well, there is huge potential with Adwords and all PPC but it is a much tougher game to learn. If you dont have a budget, good luck...you will need it. If you do have a budget, trek carefully in the beginning because big G has no problem eating up your budget and spitting you out!
  
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  I'm donating to Native Americans school ;seriously...
  Ken , He has 6K !.I made $32 with $90 in ppc on yahoo.
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cpabrainstormer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

Actually, I will follow what AC taught .Use adwords crank out potential winner. then expand to other traffic sources. But since many people are crying loud that adwords are dead, I do have a little bit concern if I need to change the whole plan to start with other cheaper ,lower competitive traffic sources . I am actually struggling .

Hey Merlin,

I think that avoiding Google is a really good idea. Adwords is evolving BIG TIME and it's only going to be a matter of time before they sever all ties with affiliates. I haven't used Adwords in almost a year and I'm doing just fine. Not only is Adwords (by far) the most expensive of all the PPC platforms, it's one of the strictest. Trying to get a campaign approved by them is getting harder and harder every day.

There are so many better ways to make good money in CPA marketing than using Adwords (in my opinion). What I have noticed is that the "guru's" will direct all the newbies to platforms like Google, Yahoo, or Bing when they aren't even using it themselves!

If you want to get started with paid advertising, you are MUCH (again, in my opinion) better off going with CPV. Set your budget to $10/day and start testing. Narrow down your keyword list until you are left with nothing but keywords and URL's that have converted. Yes, you may lose money at first, but once you find that winning combination, you'll be amazed at how fast you make it up.

That's just my opinion though. I know that probably sounded like a rant, but that wasn't my intention. I'm just a person who has used Adwords without a single positive thing to say about them. So just be careful if you do decide to use them and, hopefully, you have better luck than I did!

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

Actually, I will follow what AC taught .Use adwords crank out potential winner. then expand to other traffic sources. But since many people are crying loud that adwords are dead, I do have a little bit concern if I need to change the whole plan to start with other cheaper ,lower competitive traffic sources . I am actually struggling .

AdWords is dead? It's weird... I still have campaigns with them making me some nice cash

AdWords is not dead, they are not closing the doors to affiliates. I think I have said it at least one million times, but I'll repeat...

97% of Google's income comes from PPC, and affiliates are responsible for a good percentage of the money generated by AdWords. Google is a billion dollar company, and they would be crazy if they decided to stop working with affiliates.

However, G wants to keep in the position they are now, as the biggest search engine in the world. So they need to make sure that people using their services will be satisfied. Sending them to scammers or links with irrelevant content is not the best way to do it. So they have to "slap" the guys promoting crappy.

If you need proof, just create 2 similar campaigns, one with Google and another with Yahoo!. Wait 2 or 3 days and compare the CTRs. Google beats Yahoo! easily, because people searching on Y! avoid to click on ads, since they know that they will find crappy on the other side. The same doesn't happen to Google.

So, the secret to work with G is to have the same purpose as them. Satisfy the customer. Most internet marketers are always promoting crappy, creating poor landing pages, selling scams... they don't care about the customer. They don't care about the information people are getting from them. But Google does. And I agree 100% with Google. I have never had one of my accounts slapped, simply because I have the same purpose as them. People who visit my sites get usefult information even if they don't buy anything from me, and it makes them happy. When they need to use a search engine again, they will go to G, because they will know that G offers relevant information. So Google earns twice when people click on my ad, because I not only pay them, but also satisfy their customer.

For this reason, don't let people fool you and say that AdWords is dead or that Google hates affiliates. Google is a billion dollar company, and they work with professionals, not kids trying to fool people and force them to buy their scams. Be a professional, create professional sites and offer relevant information. Do it and Google will be your best friend.

However, it's not possible to deny that G has high bids. So if you don't have a good budget and some experience, I recommend you to start with other companies, such as Yahoo!, Bidvertiser and Facebook. Test your offers with them, find a profitable combination and then move on to Google. Just don't let people fool you saying that you should stay away from Google because they don't like affiliates. I'm an affiliate and have never had problems working with AdWords. On the contrary, my most profitable PPC campaigns are running with Google

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

ok,thanks to you guys. My mind is made up now . We will stick to the original plan, but we will also get familiar with SNS and PPV . We have 3 guys , so ,its not very distractive .

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

As I leaned before , cranking offers with google is pretty easy , just use Direct linking or iFrame . But many people said the days of 1 page LP or Direct Linking are long gone, so what should I do to crank offers with google as soon/cheap as possible? Please give me some tips or directions.

Another question is , when I register a CPC account with FB ,it seems I have to creat a campign first . Do I have to ?

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patje72 14 years ago

Eehhh yes.......what is the problem?
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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

As I leaned before , cranking offers with google is pretty easy , just use Direct linking or iFrame . But many people said the days of 1 page LP or Direct Linking are long gone, so what should I do to crank offers with google as soon/cheap as possible? Please give me some tips or directions.

Another question is , when I register a CPC account with FB ,it seems I have to creat a campign first . Do I have to ?

Don't direct link or use site with only one html page when running campaigns with AdWords.

In order to work with Google you need to give the user a nice experience, and it's not possible sending them directly to an offer or using a bridge page.

AdWords' mission is very simple: make advertiser, user and Google happy.

* Advertiser: will be happy when the user performs the expected action (purchase, subscription, etc).

* User: will be happy when they find the information they are looking for.

* Google: will be happy when both advertiser and user achieve their goals. This way, both of them will use Google again.

It's not possible for AdWords to achieve all the three goals if people start advertising crappy on their site. Users won't like the experience, advertisers won't get enough conversions and Google will lose their customers. For this reason, if you want to advertise on Google you need to focus on the user's experience.

Experience. This is the word. If you offer Google's users a nice experience they won't slap your campaigns. So here are some tips that will help you show Google that you are trying to offer to their users a good experience:

1. Have a real site, not just 1 page

2. Have at least 15 content pages

3. Offer original and high quality content, make sure that people will find useful information on your site

4. Have a contact and an about page, privacy policy, disclaimer and resources section

5. Have an well organized code

6. Have a keyword density close to 2%

7. Do some SEO, generate some backlinks and try to please Google's crowlers, too

Also, make sure that your ads perform well, try to achieve a good CTR so that Google will see that people consider your ads relevant.

Anyway, if you don't have experience with PPC I don't recommend you to start with Google. Test your campaigns with other platforms, such as Facebook, Yahoo!, Bing, Bidvertiser, etc... Drive some traffic, use a simple landing page or direct link and see what you get. As soon as you find a winner, create a complete website for your offer and move on to Google.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

Don't direct link or use site with only one html page when running campaigns with AdWords.

In order to work with Google you need to give the user a nice experience, and it's not possible sending them directly to an offer or using a bridge page.

AdWords' mission is very simple: make advertiser, user and Google happy.

* Advertiser: will be happy when the user performs the expected action (purchase, subscription, etc).

* User: will be happy when they find the information they are looking for.

* Google: will be happy when both advertiser and user achieve their goals. This way, both of them will use Google again.

It's not possible for AdWords to achieve all the three goals if people start advertising crappy on their site. Users won't like the experience, advertisers won't get enough conversions and Google will lose their customers. For this reason, if you want to advertise on Google you need to focus on the user's experience.

Experience. This is the word. If you offer Google's users a nice experience they won't slap your campaigns. So here are some tips that will help you show Google that you are trying to offer to their users a good experience:

1. Have a real site, not just 1 page

2. Have at least 15 content pages

3. Offer original and high quality content, make sure that people will find useful information on your site

4. Have a contact and an about page, privacy policy, disclaimer and resources section

5. Have an well organized code

6. Have a keyword density close to 2%

7. Do some SEO, generate some backlinks and try to please Google's crowlers, too

Also, make sure that your ads perform well, try to achieve a good CTR so that Google will see that people consider your ads relevant.

Anyway, if you don't have experience with PPC I don't recommend you to start with Google. Test your campaigns with other platforms, such as Facebook, Yahoo!, Bing, Bidvertiser, etc... Drive some traffic, use a simple landing page or direct link and see what you get. As soon as you find a winner, create a complete website for your offer and move on to Google.

William

So,according what you said, there is no way to crank/test offers quickly as before. So, what I have leaned from Arbitrage Conspiracy are mostly outdated. Right?

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

So,according what you said, there is no way to crank/test offers quickly as before. So, what I have leaned from Arbitrage Conspiracy are mostly outdated. Right?

Unfortunately, yes, it's outdated. However, as I said, you can use other platforms to test your offers. I do it and then move on to Google when I find a winner.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

Unfortunately, yes, it's outdated. However, as I said, you can use other platforms to test your offers. I do it and then move on to Google when I find a winner.

William

Can you recommend me any Best FB&POF platform CPC tutorials? I need to get start asap. Also some PPV tutorials . Thanks man! I need a whole solution plan about cranking offers on these traffic platform. THanks!

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

Can you recommend me any Best FB&POF platform CPC tutorials? I need to get start asap. Also some PPV tutorials . Thanks man! I need a whole solution plan about cranking offers on these traffic platform. THanks!

I don't work with PPV and POF. About FB, I'm testing some campaigns with them now and it seems that there is no secret trick. It's simple, you just need to choose a good offer, choose your keywords carefully, determine your demographics (it's very important!), create good ads and you're done. Also, make sure that you start with simple offers and test them quickly. You can direct link or use simple landing pages, but don't spend too much time and effort on these things, focus more on the ads, demographics and offers. Mobile, dating and games are the easiest verticals for FB.

Here is a link for you to download a case study of another Warrior, ChadH: Free Facebook Case Study!. This is very simple, but will help you figure out how FB works.

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Maji 14 years ago

Thanks for the guide
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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

Don't direct link or use site with only one html page when running campaigns with AdWords.

In order to work with Google you need to give the user a nice experience, and it's not possible sending them directly to an offer or using a bridge page.

AdWords' mission is very simple: make advertiser, user and Google happy.

* Advertiser: will be happy when the user performs the expected action (purchase, subscription, etc).

* User: will be happy when they find the information they are looking for.

* Google: will be happy when both advertiser and user achieve their goals. This way, both of them will use Google again.

It's not possible for AdWords to achieve all the three goals if people start advertising crappy on their site. Users won't like the experience, advertisers won't get enough conversions and Google will lose their customers. For this reason, if you want to advertise on Google you need to focus on the user's experience.

Experience. This is the word. If you offer Google's users a nice experience they won't slap your campaigns. So here are some tips that will help you show Google that you are trying to offer to their users a good experience:

1. Have a real site, not just 1 page

2. Have at least 15 content pages

3. Offer original and high quality content, make sure that people will find useful information on your site

4. Have a contact and an about page, privacy policy, disclaimer and resources section

5. Have an well organized code

6. Have a keyword density close to 2%

7. Do some SEO, generate some backlinks and try to please Google's crowlers, too

Also, make sure that your ads perform well, try to achieve a good CTR so that Google will see that people consider your ads relevant.

Anyway, if you don't have experience with PPC I don't recommend you to start with Google. Test your campaigns with other platforms, such as Facebook, Yahoo!, Bing, Bidvertiser, etc... Drive some traffic, use a simple landing page or direct link and see what you get. As soon as you find a winner, create a complete website for your offer and move on to Google.

William

Another question may looks very stupid and unprofessional . but I dont care . The question is , if I only use gg's content network ,can I still iframe or Direct linking to crank offers?

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williamrs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

Another question may looks very stupid and unprofessional . but I dont care . The question is , if I only use gg's content network ,can I still iframe or Direct linking to crank offers?

Probably not. Unfortunately, Google has the same rules for search and CN when it comes to landing pages.

William

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Ok,thanks ,that means I have to change the plan ,but still thanks a lot!!! Damn it, I never catch the trend .

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costi

14 years ago

@williamrs how much do you spend for testing to see if the offer is worth?

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williamrs 14 years ago

Originally Posted by costi

@williamrs how much do you spend for testing to see if the offer is worth?

It depends. If I'm testing an email submit I spend just a couple dollars. Usually, with 50 clicks you will be able to know if you can turn that campaign into a winner or not (of course, it depends on what method you are using). However, when I test a free trial or a long form submit I let the campaign run until it gets a few hundred clicks, and it often costs me something between $75 - $100.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Another question, can Adwords Smackdown be used to quickly create out mini site for Adwords PPC campaign? Anyone bought this ？ Please give some news on that.

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smartclick

14 years ago

So just out of curiosity... after one month since you post for first time... what have you done so far Merlingeek?

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

I am moving a little bit slow , but keep it rolling. I have tested 2 offers on SNS so far, none have potential. Today will setup 5 more campaigns to keep testing.

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Kenster

14 years ago

Yes Adwords is Dead. Completely dead. Dont even try it!

And I'm not saying this so William and I have even less competition!!!

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

Yes Adwords is Dead. Completely dead. Dont even try it!

And I'm not saying this so William and I have even less competition!!!

Whats wrong , buddy? Can you give out more information?

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

Whats wrong , buddy? Can you give out more information?

What information are you looking for? :p If I'm in a good mood, maybe I will divulge something

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

What information are you looking for? :p If I'm in a good mood, maybe I will divulge something

lol , how can you not in a good mood ? People in this forum loved you , you helped alot people include me, and you are successful .

I really want to know new approaches to adwords . I noticed you are AC member and applied AC method then finally leveraged your business. I am also an AC member ,I bought AC on 2nd Feb 2009. But something really bad happened to me before I can apply AC to my business , untill a month ago I finally have the money and time to offically start this CPA business as you can see. I wasted a whole year, and things have changed especiallly on google adwords. So , if I will start with adwords ,do you have some new approach method that can help people like me cranking offers fast and effectively and cheap ?
ANd anything new changed with google adwords recently ?

Anyway, I really appreciated what you already shared in this thread , but I am too gready to want more

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I want to post more about my recent testing on POF ,but really nothing meaningful I can share, give me some more time till I find something really works. Thanks to all of you guys!

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Merlingeek

lol , how can you not in a good mood ? People in this forum loved you , you helped alot people include me, and you are successful .

I really want to know new approaches to adwords . I noticed you are AC member and applied AC method then finally leveraged your business. I am also an AC member ,I bought AC on 2nd Feb 2009. But something really bad happened to me before I can apply AC to my business , untill a month ago I finally have the money and time to offically start this CPA business as you can see. I wasted a whole year, and things have changed especiallly on google adwords. So , if I will start with adwords ,do you have some new approach method that can help people like me cranking offers fast and effectively and cheap ?
ANd anything new changed with google adwords recently ?

Anyway, I really appreciated what you already shared in this thread , but I am too gready to want more

.

I want to post more about my recent testing on POF ,but really nothing meaningful I can share, give me some more time till I find something really works. Thanks to all of you guys!

Thanks and I appreciate your gracious words.

There are some things that have evolved since the AC course. That is the toughest part about PPC, things are always changing and therefore is forces marketers to be resilient and creative. In a way, this is great because it also breeds opportunity, as opportunity arises from change, so even though it stinks that PPC is a dynamic and evolving beast, it means there is always a new opportunity to be had.

In general, the basics of the AC course still apply. The fundamentals are the same and will be the same, so this is what you should focus on as you review the course. Tracking, testing, optimizing, and the resources provided are all still veery much relevant. I will try and hit some of the major things that have changed.

Google: like some other ppc platforms, adwords has tightened the grip on affiliate marketers a little bit more as time goes by. Direct linking, as mentioned in the course is extremely hard to pull off effectively, even in the testing phase. In truth, I dont do a whole lot of mass cranking as explained the in the course anymore and really just focus on the offers I hear are converting through numerous resources including but not limited to affiliate managers. Its a lot more efficient to intelligently test offers you know are converting for certain traffic sources for other marketers. With that said, I just wanted to point out that direct link mass cranking is a tough gig to pull off these days. So you will probably need to spend a little more time creating relevant campaigns

Software: The software mentioned in the course is all still relevant and I use much of the software to this day. The best advice I can give here is to always think about how to combine software together in some form. They go over a few ways to do this in the course if I recall (lpgen and speedppc etc) but its something you should lways look to do.

Landping Pages: Getting a good quality score is tougher now than in the past. Very simple, non-content filled, one page wonders are extremely difficult to pull off for any duration. You will need to put more time and effort into yoru lp development than the course suggests.

So, in general the course is still very much relevant and will give you an awesome base fonudation of PPC knowledge Things are a bit tougher now, but that just means there is more opportunity because less people are willing to put in the work into building successful campaigns.

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spesialis

14 years ago

I'm not trying to steal this thread, but I started just about the same time as OP

I've been direct linked CB product on MSN.

good news, had 2 sales (out of 300+ offers I promoted

). made $20 on sales total

bad news, spent $200 on bids

I only used free tools, so my bidding is messed up.

I've tempted Facebook or POF, but decided I will not leave MSN until see some ROI

So thanks for OP for this wonderful thread, hope we both succeed before 2010 ends

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by spesialis

I'm not trying to steal this thread, but I started just about the same time as OP

I've been direct linked CB product on MSN.

good news, had 2 sales (out of 300+ offers I promoted

). made $20 on sales total

bad news, spent $200 on bids

I only used free tools, so my bidding is messed up.

I've tempted Facebook or POF, but decided I will not leave MSN until see some ROI

So thanks for OP for this wonderful thread, hope we both succeed before 2010 ends

Stick with MSN untill you master it. I am focusing on POF now. I invested 550 USD and made 300 USD back . Still not totally sure about this POF system. Glad to hear that, buddy!

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Joe Benjamin

14 years ago

Keep it rolling man. Don't give up. We believe in you

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We need more entrepreneur crusaders around here with
the balls to step out and put their neck on the line.

I was initially going to recommend the marketing method
I'm using that will put me on track for my first 6-figure
year, but it's a completely different marketing medium
than what I know your focused on.

To talk about it would raise questions and take you off
your focus. Your doing a great job, keep going at it so
you MAKE it work.

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Merlingeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin

Keep it rolling man. Don't give up. We believe in you

.

We need more entrepreneur crusaders around here with
the balls to step out and put their neck on the line.

I was initially going to recommend the marketing method
I'm using that will put me on track for my first 6-figure
year, but it's a completely different marketing medium
than what I know your focused on.

To talk about it would raise questions and take you off
your focus. Your doing a great job, keep going at it so
you MAKE it work.

Thanks man ! Thanks for your supporting ,really appreciated ! If you can throw out some thing about your focusing on may open my eyes and also my help other new starters. I will not shift my method ,I do have a whole plan , just always glad to know new stuff in industry.

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harro1

14 years ago

Dont waste your money on ppc, you will only lose if you are a beginner. There are people making good cash with adwords but they lost thousands of $ to find out the winner campaigns, if you can afford to lose that much then go for it!

good luck!

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spesialis

14 years ago

Originally Posted by harro1

Dont waste your money on ppc, you will only lose if you are a beginner. There are people making good cash with adwords but they lost thousands of $ to find out the winner campaigns, if you can afford to lose that much then go for it!

good luck!

google is just one of many PPC engine or search engine

facebook is just one of many social networking site, that also a PPC engine

if you think PPC = google, you're dead wrong my friend

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by spesialis

google is just one of many PPC engine or search engine

facebook is just one of many social networking site, that also a PPC engine

if you think PPC = google, you're dead wrong my friend

There are many ppc options although Adwords is what people firs think of. Remember, you cant just look at traffic stats, you also need to relate that to competition. In Google Adwords, you may have 10x the volume for a keywords but 30x the competition compared to a smaller ppc platform, so you can effectively get more traffic, cheaper traffic, or both using the smaller search engine.

Adwords is great for some things, but not necessarily great for all things and not necessarily great for beginners.

my opinion for the little its probably worth

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caldream2020

14 years ago

My advice is continue doing PPC but in limited budget and focus more on building your site and create fresh contents. Then submit to directories, blogs and forums. I think you will see good result .

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jesda

14 years ago

nice info here. i am great to have read the Cpa discussion. Unfortunately, i cant get into any CPA network except cpalead but i dont feel i could earn much with cpalead at all.

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