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CPA Network will NOT payout, what can I do?

by NothingLess
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Hi, I've made hundreds of dollars with a cpa network last month and I'm not receiving payment or support. I can't reach support through anyway, phone, email, aim chat.

Any suggestions on what I can do? Or should I just cut my losses? This just pisses me off, because it's my hard earned money. And I bet there are many people signing up to the network, making money only to not get paid out.

Any help?
#cpa #network #payout
  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    If you used BH methods, then forget it. They won't care about you and they are right.

    If you used legit methods, then I'm sorry about this. I have never got scammed by a network, but I can feel your pain, because I know how much we have to struggle to make our hard earned cash. Unfortunately, if they are not replying and it isn't really big money I think that the best you can do is give them the feedback they deserve. You can start posting your review here: 500+ CPA Networks and Publisher Affiliate Networks Reviewed // AffiliatePaying.com.

    But try not to lose your campaign, look for other networks running the same offer and contact them.


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    • Profile picture of the author The Mothman
      That sucks man, what network was it, so none of us sign up?

      I would try getting their info and taking them to small claims court depending how much they owe you.
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      what network was that?
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaleadtroy
    I agree, if you used BH with a legitimate network, after they inform you that your account has been closed you may not be able to receive support from them again.

    Many networks lose money on publishers that use unethical techniques to promote their offers which is why they may have given you the cold shoulder. Networks must do everything in their power to protect their advertiser's interests, otherwise the quality and selection of their campaigns will suffer.

    If this is NOT the case, and the method you used to promote their offers was compliant with their TOS, then you should let everyone know your story along with details and proof.

    If you just say the network scammed you without going into specifics, a majority of people will assume you did something wrong and will not take your review seriously.
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    • Profile picture of the author NothingLess
      No I don't use any blackhat techniques. I create review websites and refer a product. And it's a good chunk of change, at least for me, $600+ can come in to good use. I will post negative reviews on that affiliate paying site and others if I find them.

      Also, I will post the network here in a couple of days if I still don't receive payment or at least some support.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barb Thornback
    I have never had any trouble with payments.

    What network was it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Phobos
    Is it a popular network or just a fly by night company?
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    • Profile picture of the author mamu
      hello,you can just show the name of your network,a lot of CPA network manager here,maybe one of them is who you need to contact,try it
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      • Profile picture of the author COPEAC Stephen
        If you didn't use black hate methods i would review the networks terms and conditions one more time to make sure you didn't violate anything listed on there. If you read through and find nothing about the method you used or your marketing practices then i would continue to send communications and state you're in the process of taking legal action against the network.

        It may not get them to release the money right away but maybe it will grab someones attention so you can begin getting the responses you're looking for...

        Also - i imagine you're reluctant to post the network name on here otherwise you would have done so but if may benefit you, there are loads of networks on there so there be a rep from the network that can assist...

        Either way I'm sorry this happened to you and hope you resolve the issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    What were you doing that made them withold your payments?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Yep, first make sure you were promoting honestly.

    If it is one of the bigger more reputable networks, then chances are you will get paid assuming you were playing between the posts. If it was a smaller new network, there is more risk of course
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  • Profile picture of the author Waddle
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by Waddle View Post

      All of this "don't use BH techniques" stuff is a load of bollocks. I can say from extensive personal experience that most networks don't mind BH traffic but they just won't admit it in public. What they don't want is: fraud, noobs generating complaints, and poor conversions for the advertiser. There's a huge difference between judicious use of BH techniques and lazy, outright spam (especially unsolicited mail) that generates complaints. In SEO at least, ALL of the big dogs are using at least some grey area techniques. However if you are going to use BH techniques then you have to realize it's a calculated risk.

      The conversions argument is also a total straw man. More often than not BH provides conversions that are just as good or better because the click path is shorter. If the traffic is real, buying customers and not fraud then the network at least owes you can explanation.

      Good luck getting your money mate. If you can't, out the company so the rest of us can see who not to do business with. To a certain extent you just have to factor in not getting paid as a cost of doing business, it's going to happen sooner or later. Cut your losses and move on - lesson learned. Time and effort spent on hand wringing could be better spent on making more money.

      In general bluefart techniques DON'T have the lead quality and that is why networks and most importantly merchants don't like it.

      It also depends what you mean by bluefart and the extent you are using it. You have to realize that a lot of those techniques involve framing portions of the offer etc to artificially get unqualified leads. Clearly this will convert on the advertisers end like garbage.

      Now if you would consider the use of offline traffic to an offer that doesnt specifically allow offline traffic to be considered bluefart, then I agree, the lead quality will many times be just as good and though its not playing by the letter of the terms, nobody really cares because everybody is making money. Again like you said, its a calculated risk.

      So though bluefart doesnt automatically mean conversions are lower, in the majority of circumstances it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author NothingLess
      Hey guys, thanks for the input. I don't like to talk badly about other people or networks. But if I really do not get paid, then I will post the network here, because people should know not to signup to this network.

      * With this BH stuff, I don't do any of that. I have a simple review site that ranks in the search engines to drive traffic. It complies 110% with the TOS.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by Waddle View Post

      It looks like we're talking about two different things. I'm talking strictly about traffic generation. It doesn't matter how you got the traffic - if it's targeted, it will convert. For example, I can set up my piddling white hat blog and do article marketing and send 10 leads a day. Or, I can set up 100 niche autoblogs with scraped / autogenned content, link spam the crap out of them, redirect traffic with an SE referrer to a CPA offer and blank my referrers, and make 10-100 times as much. It's all still niche traffic, I just get a lot more of it using the BH variation. They're all still real human beings looking for products in . The lead quality is thus identical. Now which webmaster do you think the networks are going to line up to work with?

      We can agree that stuff like dodgy iframing is obviously just dumb and helps no one. In that case, yes, the leady quality is going to suck for the advetiser and you should be banned. But I'm talking about BH techniques on the traffic side, not the conversion side.

      Agreed, most times affiliate managers dont really care what you did to get traffic, so long as the traffic is within the boundaries of the offer. So if you are doing funky SEO stuff but driving people to a legitimate lander, then that's cool.
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    • Profile picture of the author SiddFisher
      Originally Posted by Waddle View Post

      It looks like we're talking about two different things. I'm talking strictly about traffic generation. It doesn't matter how you got the traffic - if it's targeted, it will convert. For example, I can set up my piddling white hat blog and do article marketing and send 10 leads a day. Or, I can set up 100 niche autoblogs with scraped / autogenned content, link spam the crap out of them, redirect traffic with an SE referrer to a CPA offer and blank my referrers, and make 10-100 times as much. It's all still niche traffic, I just get a lot more of it using the BH variation. They're all still real human beings looking for products in . The lead quality is thus identical. Now which webmaster do you think the networks are going to line up to work with?

      We can agree that stuff like dodgy iframing is obviously just dumb and helps no one. In that case, yes, the leady quality is going to suck for the advetiser and you should be banned. But I'm talking about BH techniques on the traffic side, not the conversion side.
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      On topic, The OP does seem a little reluctant in sharing the network's name. Dude, if you're that the network won't pay you for sure if you tell us their name then you're freaked out for no reason at all. As someone else pointed out, their might be an AM on WF who could get your problem sorted out.
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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    Try to contact them first and still if you do not get paid, just start posting a negative reviews about them on various forums.

    Similar thing happened with one of the CPALead publisher, company did not pay him his $12k, the he started thread in DP forums and also ran an adword ad pointing people to his thread on DP. And the result? In 3 days they paid him $10k.
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  • Profile picture of the author fairlights
    Find a affiliate network review site and give them a bad review.
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi,

    I don't believe in doing tit for tat. Don't do to others what you don't want others do to you.

    BUT .............. you can use PRESSURE, if you're truthful about your problem and you're clean from any wrong-doing. Easily said, they are at fault and not you.

    STEP (1) Here is what I suggest :
    1 - Follow-up with them until you're satisfied that they really don't want to pay you.
    2 - Never use threats or vulgarities! Keep copies of your communication and their responses to you.
    3 - Get advice from BBB.org/us or BBB/canada ( many of these companies are in Canada )
    4 - Check out reviews regarding them if they exist in the BBB.org
    5 - If they're not, then check out reviews in WF & DP

    STEP (2) If you cannot settle this and the amount is big, GET A LAWYER

    STEP (3) Now, if the above cannot help and you cant afford a lawayer, then you can start ASKING in WF & DP. Just mention that it is a complain. Don't use bad words, make yourself known you're upset. Step up the pressure, USE ANGRY WORDS.

    POST YOUR COMMUNICATIONS AS WELL and mention the people you are dealing with.

    If the above cannot settle matters amicably, STEP UP THE PRESSURE.

    STEP (4) Start making 10 VIDEOS about them and upload them in 20 VIDEO SITES. So thats 200 videos on the net ! State your issues clearly and professionally. Again, don't use bad words, make yourself known you're upset and angry of the situation. ADVICE PEOPLE NOT TO USE THEM ANYMORE.

    Right after you finished uploading the videos, MAKE SURE YOU TWIT and POST THEM in FACEBOOK.

    YOU WILL GET SYMPATHY from someone of authority who WILL TAKE ACTIONS. You will, in your actions, stopped others from getting "screwed" by the company.

    YOU WILL GET THE ATTENTION OF ADVERTISERS ( merchants ) and this will slower the brisk business that has brought them to their current level.

    I bet you can settle it before you finished uploading the video..

    If you're not truthful and if you have done something wrong that made them kicked you out of their NETWORK, then get ready to be sued.

    You get to choose your actions actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author ukbuddy2
    join the network using different details
    then when they phone you to verify account you will have somebody to talk too
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  • Profile picture of the author mtmjohn
    I'd strongly recommend you stick to 3-5 large cpa networks with great reputations, such as neverblue, ewanetwork, and copeac etc. It is not necessary for it to lose money or take risky chances.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobhenry
    Originally Posted by NothingLess View Post

    Hi, I've made hundreds of dollars with a cpa network last month and I'm not receiving payment or support. I can't reach support through anyway, phone, email, aim chat.

    Any suggestions on what I can do? Or should I just cut my losses? This just pisses me off, because it's my hard earned money. And I bet there are many people signing up to the network, making money only to not get paid out.

    Any help?
    just tell me which network you are talking about?
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    • Profile picture of the author NothingLess
      Alright the network is called Mailer's network. I've been trying to contact them through every source of communication and still no word of payment or even any other help.
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      • Profile picture of the author Faizudin
        Originally Posted by NothingLess View Post

        Alright the network is called Mailer's network. I've been trying to contact them through every source of communication and still no word of payment or even any other help.
        It seem like some unknown network. Maybe a scam network. Don't even know who run the network. Not much info on their website either.
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      • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
        Originally Posted by NothingLess View Post

        Alright the network is called Mailer's network. I've been trying to contact them through every source of communication and still no word of payment or even any other help.
        So many good, known, networks why would you sign with one that is basically not even known except for some scam info you can find when searching. If you search on here you can find a dozens of legit networks, some named right in this thread.

        Never even heard of Mailers Network, how did you find out about them?
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    • Profile picture of the author NothingLess
      Originally Posted by Waddle View Post

      Known scammer:
      http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/listing.lasso?file=1177
      http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK9253

      Write off the money and move on. Lesson learned: don't do business with dodgy bulk mail operations! If you're doing legal CAN SPAM mail then there are plenty of legit networks who will take your traffic.
      DAMN! Thanks for the info, damn I'm pissed, but at least I stopped before I made into the thousands. I don't know how people can do this! Well what goes around comes around, hopefully he'll get what he deserves.
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      • Profile picture of the author NothingLess
        Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

        So many good, known, networks why would you sign with one that is basically not even known except for some scam info you can find when searching. If you search on here you can find a dozens of legit networks, some named right in this thread.

        Never even heard of Mailers Network, how did you find out about them?
        I found them through offervault and used them because they had a higher payout than another network I'm working with. I will never work with a small network again. Lesson learned the hard way, but I'm glad I learned it without too much of a loss.

        Originally Posted by ChrisBa View Post

        How many attempts have you made to contact them and over what period? also what was the network?
        Over about 2 weeks, no response, tried calling, emailing support and other emails listed, AIM'ing (responded once or twice, but kept saying can we talk about this tomorrow, or other excuses.)
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by NothingLess View Post

        DAMN! Thanks for the info, damn I'm pissed, but at least I stopped before I made into the thousands. I don't know how people can do this! Well what goes around comes around, hopefully he'll get what he deserves.


        Yep, there are bad players on all sides of the equations, just like a lor of businesses. The impersonal nature of the internet combined with a few other factors makes it a bit more pervasive in many online businesses.

        Luckily A MAJORITY of networks and affiliates and players out there are playing between the posts

        Sorry you got burned
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by NothingLess View Post

    Hi, I've made hundreds of dollars with a cpa network last month and I'm not receiving payment or support. I can't reach support through anyway, phone, email, aim chat.

    Any suggestions on what I can do? Or should I just cut my losses? This just pisses me off, because it's my hard earned money. And I bet there are many people signing up to the network, making money only to not get paid out.

    Any help?
    How many attempts have you made to contact them and over what period? also what was the network?
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    • Profile picture of the author bravo75
      Mailers Network, LLC

      Originally Posted by ChrisBa View Post

      How many attempts have you made to contact them and over what period? also what was the network?
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  • Profile picture of the author PrivateCitizen
    Yeah, I found those guys on Offervault too. Their payouts seemed pretty nice, so I applied to the network. Never heard back from them, lucky for me...
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    • Profile picture of the author etidd
      i'm surprised no one has said this... why not pursue a lawsuit?? sue them!
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      • Profile picture of the author bigbrian
        Originally Posted by etidd View Post

        i'm surprised no one has said this... why not pursue a lawsuit?? sue them!
        You are going to burn through $500 talking to your attorney and going over the matter - not worth it. You would need to be in the range of $25k+ to even think about a lawsuit and more often than not if you don't have some type of signed document outlining specific terms you will be basing the legal matter off the T&Cs on their website. And if you are dealing with a dodgy network in the first place I can assure you their T&Cs probably don't say anything decent to boot.

        It's unfortunate this happened to you. People should really do their homework before sending traffic to a network. There are so many networks out there and so many choices it makes it very hard for the affiliate sometimes. Check the review sites like AffiliatePaying.com or check similar sites, ask friends, google some info on the company, etc. Again, sorry to hear this happened to you man - it really is a bummer situation.

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        • Profile picture of the author NothingLess
          Yea thanks guys, I will only work with reliable and trusted networks from here on out, no matter how high payouts are in other networks...just not worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tclo43
    If you were using blackhatting methods dont expect it back buddy.
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  • Profile picture of the author aljurians
    Mailer's network

    I have seen their offers in offervault..there are email submits like 2.6 i think..
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    • Profile picture of the author bqpennell
      Originally Posted by aljurians View Post

      Mailer's network

      I have seen their offers in offervault..there are email submits like 2.6 i think..

      lol 2.60 compared to everyone else 1.50 to 2.00, Yep right there tells you they are BS and i didnt even do a review

      Hasoffer is a good platform not the best by no means but you can thank them for the sudden increase in scamming sites due to there 30 day free trial, they need to remove that as many honest publishers are being taken advantage of.

      like they said when ever i goto apply to a network, if its Direct track, Link trust or cake marketing i know they actually invested, when ever it is a Hasoffer network i go straight to affiliate paying to check there reviews
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    sorry for you bro... i think before publishing the CPA network name you should try to be sure that you are right and haven't done any wrong.ok? at first wait for few more days.
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  • Profile picture of the author ukbuddy2
    have any of you guys let offervault know!!!

    most of the networks there are pretty ok but I woul dstick to say 4 or 5 big networks and don't mess them about - i
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Media Online
    I just applied to their network as well..., saw the Offervault email outlining their network. I will follow-up with my contact @ Mailers network and mention the comments on here. Missed a call from a David Black last week...

    I am a bit hesitant to start anything with them now as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author hilhilginger
    It is sad to learn that you have stuck up with mailer;s network and lost your effort end up with no payment. This was a story with many in the crowd who lose their money with scam network.
    I know there are good CPA network around here who pays special attention to new bees and help them for a couple of months to earn.
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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    if you earned it legitimately ... send a letter from a lawyer or go to a debt collection agency. If you did some BH stuff, you wont get that money. Period.

    Any questions just let me know
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