Media Traffic, Trafficvance and other PPV Companies - An Effective Traffic Source?

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Hi Guys...

I'm venturing into paid traffic sources and was wondering if anyone had any feedback regarding Media Traffic, TrafficVance or any other PPV companies.

Is this a worthwhile traffic source for cpa offers? And if so, what types of cpa offers work best?

Thanks in advance...
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  • Profile picture of the author kensmonies
    the same always holds true. You get what you pay for and if it sounds too good to be true...

    I don't have any experience with those 2 particular companies but in my experience that sort of traffic usually sucks if its inexpensive and not worth the investment.

    Also i have heard that cpa traffic works well for some stuff but other stuff it never converts well.

    Maybe you should find some people who have experience with whatever you are trying to sell and ask them what cpa offers they have had luck with.

    Either way, the best traffic is always the traffic you generate yourself if you learn how to drive targeted traffic.
  • Profile picture of the author MikeMorgan
    I do not have any experince with these companies .

    But , there is a truth you should know very well.

    If they offer targeting options and not have any big problems of fraud , just test it .

    I hope it helps .

    Mike
  • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
    PPV traffic is cheap.

    The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer.

    I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

    Reason being:

    1. Cheap traffic
    2. Highly targeted sites (long tailed keywords) etc.

    I recommend PPV.
    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Olson
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      PPV traffic is cheap.

      The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer.

      I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

      Reason being:

      1. Cheap traffic
      2. Highly targeted sites (long tailed keywords) etc.

      I recommend PPV.
      Thanks for the feedback. 3000% return on your advertising is very encouraging!

      You said "The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer." Could you please clarify what you mean by targeting a specific part of a website?

      Also, any recommendation on a good PPV company? I've been doing some investigating and getting mixed reviews.

      Thanks,
      Matt
    • Profile picture of the author Kyle L Hannah
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post


      I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

      I almost spit up my drink on my computer screen .. :rolleyes:

      I've been studying and testing ppv for a while now and although I know it's a good source of traffic if done right, a 3000% ROI is simply unheard of.

      Your a friend of mine but come on, who's leg are you pulling
    • Profile picture of the author SuperAffiliateRockStar
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      PPV traffic is cheap.

      The key is being able to target to specific part of a website to promote your offer.

      I have been doing some tests daily and sometimes getting 3000% return on my advertising.

      Reason being:

      1. Cheap traffic
      2. Highly targeted sites (long tailed keywords) etc.

      I recommend PPV.
      This GUY KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING AND TALKING ABOUT!!!!
      GREAT DEAL Matais!!
  • Profile picture of the author GreatBiz
    I tested AdonNetwork (PPV) using an free auto insurance quote offer. Over 3000 impressions but zero signup. Apparently, it depends on the kind of offer. It is true that some kinds of offers work better in certain advertising networks. Anyway, I will be trying "ringtone" type of offers with AdonNetwork. We shall see how well it converts.
  • Profile picture of the author garyk1968
    I just cannot see how ppv can be effective apart from the big niches like weight loss, gambling, making money. The reason? You have absolutely no demographic/interest information on the punters running the software. I spoke with media traffic yesterday and wanted to know out of the 15 million users that had downloaded the software how many were UK based, the answer I got is UK is #2, what does that tell me? Not a great deal!

    If I then want to look at specific keywords/urls there is no way on earth they can tell me what those users interests or hobbies are as ppv is just about blindly rotating ads hoping something will stick. A particular niche I looked at has no competition on MT for the main players URL even though this is a worldwide company employing 1000s turning over >£100million.

    With PPC I *can* do research which tells me how big the pool is, the geographics, the trends, the estimated cost, all of that *before* I commit to a single penny.

    If I go to MT and say I want UK small and medium sized business owners looking at Sage accounting software what are they going to tell me? Nothing.....because they do not have stats!
  • Profile picture of the author Phil
    I have found that many CPA networks do not permit this kind of traffic
    source. So to begin with, you are restricted as to which offers can be
    used.

    So far, I have had zero results using these traffic sources. I have tried
    4 different offers, and had 4000+ views and clickthroughs but not one
    conversion. Yes, I checked the figures with the CPA networks. And tracked
    the clicks.

    Now, that's not to say this isn't a valuable traffic source - but it does take
    some testing and it is certainly true to say that some offers will work and
    others will not.
    • Profile picture of the author dropship
      Originally Posted by Phil View Post

      I have found that many CPA networks do not permit this kind of traffic
      source. So to begin with, you are restricted as to which offers can be
      used.

      So far, I have had zero results using these traffic sources. I have tried
      4 different offers, and had 4000+ views and clickthroughs but not one
      conversion. Yes, I checked the figures with the CPA networks. And tracked
      the clicks.

      Now, that's not to say this isn't a valuable traffic source - but it does take
      some testing and it is certainly true to say that some offers will work and
      others will not.
      Which network did you try?
  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    ppv can work really well - however it takes lots of test, lots and lots of testing to find winners. But once you find them they rock!
    • Profile picture of the author soffell
      I ever send email to Affiliate Manager Adjal CPA network

      --------------------
      Me :
      Hi Jose,

      Plz Advice ..

      Can I use Adaware traffics ( www.mediatraffic.com, www.trafficvance.com, www.zango.com ) for CPA offer?
      If yes, what CPA network allow this campaign?
      -------------------------------------

      ------------------------------------
      Affiliate Manager :
      Hi,

      For us it's not a problem. Perhaps if an advertiser notices it... but if you cover your tracks (double meta refresh, etc), it won't give you any trouble.

      Let me know if I can assist you further.

      Jose
      ----------------------------------------

      -----------------------------------------
      Me :
      Hi,

      Oke thank You, No hidden track because I send visitor directly to landing page with link provided by you (no redirect with domain)

      I hope this clear , cos' I always ask my affiliate manager in other netwotk before campaign using adaware campaign
      -------------------------------------------



      ------------------------------------
      Affiliate Manager :
      Hi again.

      It will be ok for sure.

      Have a nice day.

      Jose
      ------------------------------------

      So, don't forget to ask your affiliate manager before using PPV

      Soffell
  • Profile picture of the author webatomic
    What kind of offers are working best for you guys on PPV?
    • Profile picture of the author Clinch
      Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

      What kind of offers are working best for you guys on PPV?
      Started doing this about 2 1/2 months ago.

      Simple email submits for gift cards or gas cards is your answer.

      I spread my income amongst 4 CPA networks. 3 I'll keep secrets but Neverblue ads I'll share w/ you guys b/c they have no problem with this method.

      I make an extra $150 - $200 month with this method of PPV + CPA.

      Literally, a set and forget method.

      Here is a screenshot of my neverblue earnings:



      At the rate I'm going I'm totally going to blow last months earnings w/ this method out of the water! Today
      is only the 7th. So far it is my favorite "Set & Forget Method!"

      I'll probably do some more email submit testing and scale upward.

      Can't wait to get up to $1000 so I can get weekly checks with Neverblue. Muahaha!
    • Profile picture of the author T3DMNet
      Just a heads up on Trafficvance. They are a full service CPA Network. Their minimum deposit is $10K! They are supposedly launching "Self Service" campaign management in Q4 that is similar to the other CPAs.

      Clinch,

      Can you elaborate on your monthly cost for Neverblue Ad Campaign #1 as per above? What are you netting?
  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Hey Clinch, if you don't mind, what are your costs to get that extra? I'm just starting out with PPV, so all info is welcome. I can also recommend Stephon "Phon" Rudd as he's a master at this type of traffic with CPA
    • Profile picture of the author quickregister
      I think the most important step is to find a really super converting offer that has a huge payout. I have been testing one CPA offer that has given me 6 sales total $242. in commissions for 117 clicks. This gives me some leeway to try some paid advertising. I think you also have to have an offer which appeals to a wide audience. This way you can buy cheaper traffic like run of network type traffic from a variety of sources. Hey, I am just getting going with this but I think you really have to look at what you are promoting first. Not all offers are created equal.
  • Profile picture of the author webatomic
    I'm doing ok with the email submits but struggling with the higher payout offers. Care to share any tips on those?
    • Profile picture of the author OPLeads
      With PPV the most important part is understanding how the PPV network is getting their "customers" (the ones that downloaded the adware). If you can't find it out searching, ask your PPV representative.

      If you know who are the people most of the times you will find that they are interested in certain products, such as Gambling, Dating, P-orn, PayDay offers, or freebies etc...

      So now that you know this, you will have to look for offers that are falling within these categories. And the places where they hang out the most. Get a good URl scraper such as the free LaserURL and get your target URLS.

      The second most important part (after knowing who uses the adware) is tracking. Get Prosper (free) or one of the paid tracking software. You also need a URL rotator and if you don't want to let your aff. manager see the traffic source, also a ref. blanker. The best solution I have found, and that includes both the URL rotator, ref. blanker and that works together with Prosper is WPLinkEngine (WP plugin). This way you can rotate your offers (includes Geo tracking) and find the best converting offer for the targeted URL.

      Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

      I'm doing ok with the email submits but struggling with the higher payout offers. Care to share any tips on those?
  • Profile picture of the author webatomic
    Wow. Thanks for all the advice. I already use Prosper202, which has a URL rotator and some type of cloaking built in. I downloaded the URL scraper and am checking it out. My experience has been the more URLs I try and target the worse my ROI is. I originally started out with thousands, then hundreds and now down to just a few and my ROI has improved dramatically. although obviously the volume is way down. I'll play around with the URL scraper though and do some more testing. Thanks!
    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by webatomic View Post

      Wow. Thanks for all the advice. I already use Prosper202, which has a URL rotator and some type of cloaking built in. I downloaded the URL scraper and am checking it out. My experience has been the more URLs I try and target the worse my ROI is. I originally started out with thousands, then hundreds and now down to just a few and my ROI has improved dramatically. although obviously the volume is way down. I'll play around with the URL scraper though and do some more testing. Thanks!
      Yes, you are on the right track.

      Tighter targets = less spend and less traffic = higher ROI.

      The way I set up my campaigns, I am typically getting 3000+ ROI.

      Regards,

      John
  • Profile picture of the author OPLeads
    webatomic, no problem. What you describe is the reality with both PPV and PPC placement campaigns. You start off with several thousand URLs and through tracking you will see which ones convert and which don't. Those that do not convert you take out... There will always be an adding and taking out of URLs.

    Prosper's cloaking method will show the tracking url as the ref. - at least most of the times. (Some Browsers leak) If you need ref. cloaking to be cloaked or blanked 100% then you need to get another tool. Also, I found it an disadvantage Prosper's build in rotation does not allow to specify different CPA networks and Payouts.
  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    I'm just going to come right out and say that I don't believe in Adware networks in the slightest. Traffic Vance, Media Traffic and Clicksor are all the same; unreliable sources of - aside from traffic exchanges - the most untargeted traffic you could probably ever find!

    I joined a program in the start of January (not naming names) that was all about email marketing. The marketer in question offered to provide ongoing training (i.e. a video a month) for the next 12 months...

    I gave it a try and cut a long story short one of the recent videos was all about these networks. To be honest, I've never seen such B.S in my life!

    Do forgive me if I sound a little naive here, this stuff isn't really my "thing". But I have to say that I think anyone claiming that these PPV companies are a reliable source of traffic is probably trying to sell you something.

    Because of the way in which your ads are displayed (and even though they are relevant and in-context) I think they'll just p*ss a load of people off. The chances are there are a few people here and there who REALLY know what they're doing making money with this stuff. I mean, surely it has to work in some niches...
  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    It's best to make your own landing page at the specific size of pop-up they allowed like 750 x 500. Otherwise if you are just sending the user to the direct landing page, they will have to scroll through the window.
    • Profile picture of the author Roman8389
      Originally Posted by dropship View Post

      It's best to make your own landing page at the specific size of pop-up they allowed like 750 x 500. Otherwise if you are just sending the user to the direct landing page, they will have to scroll through the window.
      Do the advertisers usually provide banners of this size to use with CPV? I'm kind of confused about making a landing page that is 750 x 500.
  • Profile picture of the author raamanand
    LeivaMatias, can you please let me know how and where you got that 3000% RoI?
  • Profile picture of the author oscarkool
    The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails.

    Oh and 5staraffiliate: Welcome to the world of marketing. Sales will get stolen. It's part of the game. You can cry about it as much as you want but it's not going to change. People WILL steal your sales with PPV. Complaining won't solve anything. We are all in this to make money. If that means stealing other peoples sales, then so be it. And yes, I do target affiliates websites with PPV along with every other PPVer out there.
    • Profile picture of the author dropship
      Originally Posted by oscarkool View Post

      The problem with media traffic is that you cant really target large URLs because you can't go over 40 characters. This sucks because there are so many targeted pages out there that would be great to target. Unfortunately, Media Traffic fails.
      I've noticed this as well with MT. Say you want to target ebay.com but the actual page you want to target is snow blower listings and that URL in ebay would be really long, so it's unfortunate you can't list that on MT. I think they need to expand the 40 character URL limit otherwise you won't be able to target the micro niches with MT.
  • Profile picture of the author MarkOwens
    TrafficVance is by far the best PPV network for many reasons (too many to list in a reply actually).

    The best way to make money from PPV is to scrape a few thousand keywords, set up tracking and run it for a few days. After these few days, remove all the targets that are not making money and push the high converting ones. Within a few weeks you should have a very profitable campaign.
    • Profile picture of the author blingblam
      Which offers do you guys find convert best with PPV? I assume direct linking is the way to go with ppv, no reason to build a landing page...
    • Profile picture of the author Agent007
      Originally Posted by Mark Owens View Post

      TrafficVance is by far the best PPV network for many reasons (too many to list in a reply actually).

      The best way to make money from PPV is to scrape a few thousand keywords, set up tracking and run it for a few days. After these few days, remove all the targets that are not making money and push the high converting ones. Within a few weeks you should have a very profitable campaign.
      I would definitely say that is not the best way. Here's why? By selecting 1,000s of targets you have to spend too much money to find out which target converts, and IF the offer converts AT ALL!

      Also as a benchmark I usually let each target accrue 500 impressions before I decide if it converts or deactivate /pause it. That is a reasonable level for PPV traffic. If my PPV target costs me 1 cent/impression, that is $5 (500 x $0.01) to test that target. Quite often I have to spend more per impression in competitive markets like insurance or finance. Maybe, 4 cents which equates to $20 (500 x $0.04) per target for testing.

      See where I'm going????...........

      If I have 1,000s of targets for one offer then I end up spending at least $100s to see if it works.

      Rather TE2 has a better method. One aspect is to think laterally about your offer then get just a handful of highly targetted and relevant targets. Typically I start with about 100-300 targets but in many cases that is too high. I also dont scrape urls from many pages of Google, Yahoo & Bing. At most I scrape the first 3 pages tops.

      That way you spend far less to test an offer or two. If the offer will convert with your PPV provider and method employed, then add more relevant targets. But you cannot make a non-converting campaign work by simply adding more targets. Also you never know if teh merchant and/or CPA network is scrubbing you either. This is a game where you really have to be very alert.

      HTH
  • Profile picture of the author TheScalper
    @MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...
    • Profile picture of the author MarkOwens
      Originally Posted by TheScalper View Post

      @MarkOwens: Aren't you losing much money with this technique? There is a huge amount of traffic out there (okay, this depends on the ppv network but on the common networks there is very much traffic) and some offers tend to convert just very bad...
      Yes you will "lose" money at the start but within a few months you will have a very profitable campaign. Think of it as a longterm investment.

      Just remember no matter what kind of approach you take with PPV, track everything.
  • Profile picture of the author dropship
    Actually building your own landing pages is sometimes better for tracking purposes rather than direct linking so you can track your ROI.
  • Profile picture of the author Frency
    I'm a newbie -- sorry this might seem really simple... But if anyone understands this, help is greatly appreciated.

    Using MEDIA TRAFFIC ad network with NO keywords; ONLY urls where pop-overs occur.

    Can Prosper202 or Tracking202 be used to track from what sites I'm getting my buyers? If so... anyone know how to? It seems like most of what I'm reading is applying to tracking kws. (and what's the difference between P202 and T202?)

    Here's my sales process: url > pop creative > landing page > offer page (sale!)

    Is it possible, with the creative and landing page in the middle of the process, to know where the sales are coming from?

    thanks!
    • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
      Hi Frency,

      Prosper or T202 can track keywords and urls alike. For the system both are targets, more or less the same.

      Prosper is self-hosted on your own server and T202 can be used on their server. So for privacy, you want to use prosper, to get started easily, you want to use T202.

      Yes, with your own landing page it is even easier to see which target (URL or keyword) has triggered the sale. Do you use any software such as LPgen?

      Hope this helps,

      cheers

      Volker

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