CPA to Facebook :: How to do it better

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I've seen a lot of questions on facebook advertising and when digging deeper it's apparent that there's one major mistake everyone is making. They select an offer, they proceed to facebook and create a campaign targeting all of the USA with no demographics at all selected. I guess they think that it will be better because more people will be viewing thier ads, (all 47,000,000 fb users in the USA)? BUT this is so wrong in so many ways. Each CPA offer will target a totally different demographic, so take advantage of that and setup your campaigns the right way from the get go.

Let's look at an example:

Say you're promoting a free sample of lipstick.

Would you want all men in the USA to see it? (probably not) You'd want women to see it for sure. Now which age group do you pick? All, college grad, college student or high student? Do you want to target all of the USA or just one state or just one city? How do you know the answers? You don't until you test each targeted demographic with it's own ad.

Let's say you setup one ad to target: Single Females in California who are in highschool and interested in Men. You'd be targeting 21,000 ish people now versus 47,000,000 if you went with all of the USA.

So that's ONE ad. Now create another but switch one factor. So now target Single Females in Michigan who are in highschool and interested in men. Now you're targeting 13,780 of them with another ad.

Now you have two VERY targeted ads and you can even add the state name to the ad copy itself! (People respond when they see something close to them more then generic crap).

Now repeat that for all the states. Now you have a REAL facebook campaign on your hands.

Now repeat that but instead of highschool females, target college females for all the states.

The more targeted you make your campaigns and your ad copy the better your conversions will be. (What if you went by city and had the city name in the ad copy title? Think that would work better?)

This does take a while to set up and manage, but in the end, it's a better way to do facebook with cpa offers. I can safely share this because most of you will read it, say that's cool and move on, but maybe 5% of you will act on it and actually make some profits.

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  • ive never tested facebook advertising with my normal PPC campaigns can i ask you about Ad budget what would you recommend a good test budget that makes sense my PPC budget is tied up with Google And Yahoo...but just to let you know i will take action on everthing i learn from you....as my mentor Les Brown stays "You Got To Be Hungry"...And You know What I'm Starving... Great post it Feeds Me Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author creck01
    Hey thanks for the help and info coach.
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  • Profile picture of the author MicahF7
    This is valuable info for everyone.... Thanks for sharing.... I have never really worked with facebook, any heads up on the type of ROI you are getting?


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  • Profile picture of the author djns3939
    Thanks for the timely information and useful too. I will become more familiar with Facebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author MLChris
    This is some really good information. As an Affiliate Manager at a CPA network, I am slowly seeing an increase in interest from affiliates who want to publish through facebook. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author aekaplan
    This is a fantastic post. Target, test, and then ramp up the winners. Except you can target to the actual person, instead of just a simple keyword (like Google PPC). It's actually such an advantage. If you figure out the person they are creating the product for, instead of just a random keyword, then you can sell it to that person many times over. I will be testing this out ASAP!
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  • Profile picture of the author mwazwi
    Thank you so much for this information. I haven't set up Facebook for myself yet. Very new to this internet communication process.

    Your information will help me tremendously from the git go!

    With gratitude,

    Marcia Mercy
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  • Profile picture of the author naonline
    Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

    I've seen a lot of questions on facebook advertising and when digging deeper it's apparent that there's one major mistake everyone is making. They select an offer, they proceed to facebook and create a campaign targeting all of the USA with no demographics at all selected. I guess they think that it will be better because more people will be viewing thier ads, (all 47,000,000 fb users in the USA)? BUT this is so wrong in so many ways. Each CPA offer will target a totally different demographic, so take advantage of that and setup your campaigns the right way from the get go.

    Let's look at an example:

    Say you're promoting a free sample of lipstick.

    Would you want all men in the USA to see it? (probably not) You'd want women to see it for sure. Now which age group do you pick? All, college grad, college student or high student? Do you want to target all of the USA or just one state or just one city? How do you know the answers? You don't until you test each targeted demographic with it's own ad.

    Let's say you setup one ad to target: Single Females in California who are in highschool and interested in Men. You'd be targeting 21,000 ish people now versus 47,000,000 if you went with all of the USA.

    So that's ONE ad. Now create another but switch one factor. So now target Single Females in Michigan who are in highschool and interested in men. Now you're targeting 13,780 of them with another ad.

    Now you have two VERY targeted ads and you can even add the state name to the ad copy itself! (People respond when they see something close to them more then generic crap).

    Now repeat that for all the states. Now you have a REAL facebook campaign on your hands.

    Now repeat that but instead of highschool females, target college females for all the states.

    The more targeted you make your campaigns and your ad copy the better your conversions will be. (What if you went by city and had the city name in the ad copy title? Think that would work better?)

    This does take a while to set up and manage, but in the end, it's a better way to do facebook with cpa offers. I can safely share this because most of you will read it, say that's cool and move on, but maybe 5% of you will act on it and actually make some profits.

    Coach, what are you doing! I pay you for this info!
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  • Profile picture of the author MLChelsea
    Thanks for sharing. Facebook traffic is increasing everyday with affiliates. It's definitely worth the extra time to target CPA efforts and test some offers to see what performs best. Also, get your affiliate manager's input on hot social media offers. We do have the inside scoop afterall!
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Anybody know how long it takes FB to update ads based on demo.

    I changed my age to 15 and I'm still seeing the same ads for credit checks, mortgages etc.

    Either advertisers are retarded or the system has an update period, I tried logging in and out as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author affgem
      Thank you for sharing the information with us. I've never tried FaceBook to promote any sort of offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
    Does face book still only accept USA residents?

    Last time I looked they didn't allow anyone from outside the US.

    Anyone from outside the states using it and if you are. are you using a proxy?

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  • Profile picture of the author James Forster
    Hey, great post.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    I'm in Canada and I had no problem signing up a long time ago...
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      I would love to see a real live Camtasia video or similar of a genuine ROI made on Facebook even using highly demographically tracked ad placement.

      I can't see how you can compete with the CPM paid by the networks flouting these shit make money programs on there, nothing else seems to get a lookin.
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      • Profile picture of the author tjk1058
        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        I would love to see a real live Camtasia video or similar of a genuine ROI made on Facebook even using highly demographically tracked ad placement.

        I can't see how you can compete with the CPM paid by the networks flouting these shit make money programs on there, nothing else seems to get a lookin.
        Yeah I would like to see some real stats also... Instead of you can make lots of money on facebook quotes.

        I thought most offers don't allow advertising on Social Media style sites like facebook, myspace, etc..?

        Plus the campaigns that you can advertise they normally pay only a couple of dollars... so if your bids start at .25 or above how can you turn a profit?

        I tried the free $100 offer awhile back to test the market and out of 400 clicks only 1 conversion :-( .

        TedK
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by tjk1058 View Post


          I thought most offers don't allow advertising on Social Media style sites like facebook, myspace, etc..?
          You can hide the referrer, networks don't really care as long as your traffic is legit and the advertiser get's paid.

          Plus the campaigns that you can advertise they normally pay only a couple of dollars... so if your bids start at .25 or above how can you turn a profit?
          You can find offers paying in excess of $50 per sale, even on free trials, especially for these shit "make money on google" type programs.

          The problem is that Facebook is currently deluged with them, between that and fake weight loss blog ads, almost all the CPM spaces seem taken. I don't doubt for a second this is the networks internal divisions running these ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author sony_isser
    thanks for logical reasoning and sharing information.
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  • Profile picture of the author aekaplan
    PPC-Coach, thanks again for this tip. I started a multi-city campaign today and will report back on the results. Do you prefer CPC or CPM when advertising on Facebook?

    Thanks and all the best! Take care.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe's Market
      Hey Coach,

      Thanks for the great info and help!
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Has anybody used this and actually made a ROI, it all seems just theoretical to me.

        With the best will in the world, it doesn't matter how tightly you target an offer to a demographic, if you can't get a CPM for less than a gazillion bucks, Facebook is dominated right now with BS adverts for money making schemes.
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        • Profile picture of the author naonline
          Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

          Has anybody used this and actually made a ROI, it all seems just theoretical to me.

          With the best will in the world, it doesn't matter how tightly you target an offer to a demographic, if you can't get a CPM for less than a gazillion bucks, Facebook is dominated right now with BS adverts for money making schemes.
          Simon, are you targetting the US only? Other countries are much cheaper, try the UK.

          Nick
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          • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
            Originally Posted by naonline View Post

            Simon, are you targetting the US only? Other countries are much cheaper, try the UK.

            Nick
            That's a good point Nick, I have two Facebook accounts, one I view from the UK, the other from a US proxy.

            In the CPM model, I found that everything was dominated both in the UK and the US by these piss poor CPA money making offers, basically FB advert to fake blog to some BS money making offer.

            I didn't however try a German or Spanish proxy or similar, you bring up a good point that there is probably a lot more CPM slots going and at a much lower cost.

            Good point.
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  • Profile picture of the author aekaplan
    I set up a series of ads targeting men age 18-24 and then 25-30, in specific cities. Facebook rejected the ads for reasons 3, 13, and 14. 13 and 14 are both garbage, in that I was very obviously marketing a free offer (1st page submit). But reason 3 could have been the cause, as I did use individual city names in the ad copy.

    PPC-Coach, have you managed to get around this? I know you recommended using city or state names in copy, but it appears that if the landing page doesn't directly relate to that city or state, they'll disapprove your ad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harvey Affcash
    There's plenty of money to be made on Facebook is you target the right demographics with the right offers.

    I have a campaign that sells real world goods. It has 6 ads in it. They're all the same product, but I cycle the product on a weekly basis. The demographic is small, but converts well enough, getting about a 250% ROI because they buy what I'm selling ("nerd products") as I advertise it in such a way that they'll click through, and then the product basically sells itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author leschwaar
    I've had limited success with facebook ads so far, and I've heard from some others that the CTR is generally worse than other small ad networks, like MIVA... but I'll definitely give your method another try. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author ajal
    good thought. thanks for the post. i will try it
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  • Profile picture of the author robsuccess4l
    Personally I like Facebooks ads system better than Google PPC's, but my CTR are not as high as Adwords.
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  • Profile picture of the author robbygoalgoal
    Great post, Thank u
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    • Profile picture of the author aekaplan
      Have people generally found CPC or CPM to be more effective with Facebook?
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  • Profile picture of the author chemmyvick
    PPC Coach,
    Thanks so much, this is educative. This mean i' ve fumbling all this while with facebook. I need to go and do the adjustment now!
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  • Profile picture of the author chemmyvick
    Originally Posted by jodib View Post

    Thanks for the great post, much appreciated..

    I tried to advertise using Facebook recently and I was told my account was disabled for ad's! I don't know why, have never advertised before and after sending 7 mails to support, have not heard a thing back.. What shall I do??

    Sorry to digress here with my problem!
    Well, i think you need to open another account with different e-mail
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  • Thanks for this- this makes so much sense! The key is to reach a more targetted narrow audience as opposed to a broader untargetted auidence!
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    • Profile picture of the author ajrocks
      Anybody want to share some success stories? I've tried working with some CPA offers which a targeted very carefully bad had no luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Ive heard that FaceBook is a good platform for advertising CPA offers but people that have actually done it they say either their ad's don't get approved or they're hardly getting any conversions and wasting money.

    If you have to test test test before you get it right that's a lot of money wasted, even if you eventually make money on a successful campaign you might not even make back the money you've lost.

    I put an ad for a poll on FaceBook, the ad got approved but the Suggested bid is $1.03–1.65 USD

    How can you possibily make money with CPA on FB when the suggested bid is that high? Im targeting people in the US who are 18 and over. I set the bid to $0.24 but im not getting any impressions at all. What bid do i need to raise it to?
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  • Profile picture of the author WFParadise
    That cause extremely high competition, but you need to bid that high at first. Also you may need to target more precisely. If your ad will get nice CTR = you are winning ad auction, so your price will get lower and lower.... remember fact that the bid is like $1.35 in average doesn't mean you will pay that much. And yes...if your ad in current FB targeting will not be one of the best = you will only loose money.
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