Anyone a CPA affiliate from the United Kingdom???

by Gee S
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Hi Guys,

Just wanted to know if theres any affiliates from the U.K which can help me with a query.

With CPA marketing we get cheques with our earnings, do we get taxed on these, or do we need to declare these to the tax man?

If so, how do all warriors from the UK do this?

Thanks,

MrEyeconic
#affiliate #cpa #kingdom #united
  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Cmon guys, could really do with your help on this one....

    Thanks

    MrEyeconic
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  • Profile picture of the author promo_guy
    I'm in the UK MrEyeconic

    I believe our cheques will be for the amount we earned but yes, you definitely need to declare the income.

    My accountant told me the moment I earned a penny outside of my "regular job" I was considered self-employed. This was back when I earned maybe £100 but spent £120! lol

    So, I would consider what you earn now and any additional income from affiliate marketing to be added to your current income. For example, say you earn £25,000/year (taxable) and you earn £10,000 this year in aff marketing, you're in the higher tax band. If you do this regularly, especially if you earn above the £34k+ threshold, I'd seriously consider getting a Limited company.

    Depending on how much you earn, you may want to get a free consultation with an accountant. I'm not one but letting you know what my accountant told me. It's better to be safe than sorry
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Thanks for that Promo Guy,

    Does anyone do anything different or can add to Promo Guys comments??
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    • Profile picture of the author Himore
      I'm in the UK and promoguy is correct.

      It's for this reason that I'm setting up a limited company for my online marketing. My day job already puts me well into the 40% tax bracket, so this seemed the most sensible option to me.

      I think running your affiliate income through a limited company means that you only pay tax on any PROFIT. So if you grossed $10,000 one month, but actually spent $11,000 on adspend (ouch!) then you wouldn't have to pay any tax because you've made no profit.

      Another benefit of having your own company is that you can choose to become VAT registered (you have to if your turnover is more than about £68k). Thus you can claim back the VAT on anything you buy for your business. So, if you need some new computer equipment, just make sure you buy it through your company and you can claim back the VAT - which is not an insignificant amount in the UK.

      Registering a company is pretty straightforward. Set up a business bank account. Get a business credit card for all your adspend (also try and get one that gives you good points or cashback. My Amex for example gives me 1% on all spend, so if I spend £10k in a month on advertising, I get £100 cashback).

      See an accountant though, not only to start up but also as an ongoing concern to keep your books in order, submit tax forms, etc...

      Disclaimer: I'm not a tax accountant, so the above is only my understanding of it (which could be completely incorrect), so don't cite this post if you get done for tax evasion! lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author promo_guy
    Good points Himore

    I'd also say that another benefit of being Limited is that you work under a "company" so say in the unfortunate event you got sued, they would come after the company and not personal assets such as your home.

    Also, say you're making £5,000 profit each month, that's obviously £60k/year, well you will be taxed on that £5k (as Himore said) but you don't really get that £5k to spend per se. What I mean is, you pay yourself a dividend each month as the Director of the company. I believe the dividend is as much as £2,500/month.

    If you take out (ie pay yourself) over £2,500/month then you are in effect borrowing from the company coffers and if I remember correctly it means your personal income tax is higher as well as you may pay a penalty. It's quite a pain really.

    Once again, the best advice is to talk to an accountant and explain your situation and if you aren't earning enough to be in the higher tax bracket, give the accountant a scenario of "what if I made £5k a month, how would that work?" kind of thing.

    Can't go wrong asking the professionals lol

    Btw, accountants fees can be high!
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    • Profile picture of the author Himore
      I was just digging around on HM Revenue & Customs: Home Page

      I notice they run local courses on numerous topics, including setting up a LLC. I think I'm going to pop along (because I haven't actually registered my company yet, but need to soon).
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    • Profile picture of the author Rufus Steele
      Originally Posted by promo_guy View Post

      Good points Himore

      I'd also say that another benefit of being Limited is that you work under a "company" so say in the unfortunate event you got sued, they would come after the company and not personal assets such as your home.

      Also, say you're making £5,000 profit each month, that's obviously £60k/year, well you will be taxed on that £5k (as Himore said) but you don't really get that £5k to spend per se. What I mean is, you pay yourself a dividend each month as the Director of the company. I believe the dividend is as much as £2,500/month.

      If you take out (ie pay yourself) over £2,500/month then you are in effect borrowing from the company coffers and if I remember correctly it means your personal income tax is higher as well as you may pay a penalty. It's quite a pain really.

      Once again, the best advice is to talk to an accountant and explain your situation and if you aren't earning enough to be in the higher tax bracket, give the accountant a scenario of "what if I made £5k a month, how would that work?" kind of thing.

      Can't go wrong asking the professionals lol

      Btw, accountants fees can be high!
      PLEASE NOTE: I AM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT AND YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SPEAK TO ONE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING FINANCIAL! THIS IS ADVICE GIVEN BASED ON MY OWN PRIVATE CIRCUMSTANCES AND EXPERIENCE AND IS NOT PROFESSIONAL ADVICE AND AS SUCH I ACCEPT NO LIABILITY FOR ANYTHING YOU TRY BASED ON THE FOLLOWING!!!

      Hey Promo Guy,

      Sorry - - not quite correct.

      As a Director of a company, you can take all the money as a dividend if you wanted to - but there is no faster way of inducing the Revenue to inspect your books than that!

      The sensible thing to do is:-

      Pay yourself and your Company Secretary a wage. (As a limited company, you have shares issued. You cannot allocate all the shares to just one person! So, in my case, my wife is the Company Secretary and holds 10% of the shares - I hold the other 90%. You can make anyone the Co Sec, doesn't have to be a relation etc.)

      Pay yourself a 'sensible wage' that keeps your majority earnings below the Higher Rate threshold.

      Pay your Company Sec as much of a wage as possible depending on their circumstance. In our case, I pay enough to max out my wife's lower tax rate - saving us tax money!

      You now have a visible and sensible wage - revenue man has nothing to ponder on or investigate.

      You can now take the remaining profit (profit only!!) from the company as a dividend and you end up paying tax at 19% on that amount - not 40% for the higher rate tax band! (Make sure you save the amount payable of 19% tax to a seperate account each month as you need to pay it in two installements the next financial year!)

      Naturally, you need to deduct your costs from the company prior to paying a dividend to ensure you only take dividends from net profit. Take from anywhere else and THAT is where you are deemed as taking a Directors Loan - which has to be paid back again!

      This is what i do - to the extent that i take out £XX,000.00 every month - of which only £1,652.45 is wages - the rest is all dividend at 19%!!!!

      HTH

      Rufus
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Thanks for the heads up guys.

    So for ad spend....what kind of proof would you need?
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  • Profile picture of the author promo_guy
    Usually it's on your bank statement. I've only had experience paying for ads on Yahoo.co.uk in the past and I was taxed 17.5% (when it used to be that) on top of my ad spend. I couldn't claim that back because I wasn't vat registered.

    You may want to invest in some software like Sage but I was always too lazy lol. So, I just highlighted on my bank statements what was what but I think I paid more accounting fees because my accountant had to manually go through all my statements, receipts, etc. If you are disciplined, it would help you if you recorded everything in Sage or whateve program.

    I think if you are spending money on Google.com, ie in $$, then I don't think you get taxed on that believe it or not. That's according to my friend who does PPC marketing. But once again, that's just what I've heard.

    I set up my LLC through my accountant but you can do it yourself by filing with Companies House. To be honest, since my accountant did it all for me, I'm far from an authority on how to do it correctly.

    Wish I could be more help. Don't want to give incorrect info. Just sharing what I've experienced.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Thanks for the info guys,

    Again if anyones got anything to add then that would be helpful!
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  • Profile picture of the author goforhunt
    Good to see, Many people out there are here to help you with queries.

    Good Job members.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Would it be best to go as a sole trader or as a limited company for this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Himore
      Again, this is just my opinion, but I would say limited company.

      Remember that the debts of a sole trader extend into his personal assets too, whereas with a limited company, any debts are limited to the company itself (hence the name).

      Therefore, have a bad weekend on Adwords, lose $20k on a campaign, and if you are a sole trader and don't have the capital to absorb it, your credit card company could come after your car, house, etc... to repay the debt.

      Originally Posted by MrEyeconic View Post

      Would it be best to go as a sole trader or as a limited company for this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Would that not involve a lot more paperwork and legislation to follow as well as fees?

    Im only planning on using capital that I have I wouldn't be borrowing any or running any debts.

    I'm thinking on starting as a sole trader, and if i progress well then move on to a limited company.....This is my only source of income at the moment so I wouldnt really see myself moving into the higher tax brackets any time soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Himore
      So when you asked the question, had you already made up your mind...

      Sole trader is cool. You basically just start trading, but make sure you tell HMRC within 3 months or you risk a fine.

      Originally Posted by MrEyeconic View Post

      Would that not involve a lot more paperwork and legislation to follow as well as fees?

      Im only planning on using capital that I have I wouldn't be borrowing any or running any debts.

      I'm thinking on starting as a sole trader, and if i progress well then move on to a limited company.....This is my only source of income at the moment so I wouldnt really see myself moving into the higher tax brackets any time soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Haha Himore, I was 75-25 on sole trader....I was just thinking if anyone else had other information which would sway me otherwise.

    Ok i'll definitely let the HMRC know....I just think as I'm starting off, going as a sole trader would be much simpler. Thanks for the input. Do you have any other advice that would be useful?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    Will do Himore,

    Being already in the 40% tax bracket for yourself, it makes sense for you to go as a limited company if you take the profits as dividends, as you pay at rates either 10% or 30-something%, which would be more beneficial to you. I think if things go well ill definitely look at going as a limited company.
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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    Thanks Rufus - that is some sound advice - i'm changing over to a limited company as a result (obviously with the advice of my Accountant).

    I can't believe i was throwing so much money away in tax.

    Quick question though - what about Corporation tax? Is that not paid on the Net Profits of the company before Dividends? or is it after?

    If before, what is the rate? Just checking to see if it is more beneficial tax wise to go down the route of a limited company. My earnings are in the 40% tax bracket.

    Thanks,
    RA
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    • Profile picture of the author Rufus Steele
      Originally Posted by RA123 View Post

      Thanks Rufus - that is some sound advice - i'm changing over to a limited company as a result (obviously with the advice of my Accountant).

      I can't believe i was throwing so much money away in tax.

      Quick question though - what about Corporation tax? Is that not paid on the Net Profits of the company before Dividends? or is it after?

      If before, what is the rate? Just checking to see if it is more beneficial tax wise to go down the route of a limited company. My earnings are in the 40% tax bracket.

      Thanks,
      RA
      Sorry - neglected to check back on this thread (D'oh)

      Corporation tax (21%) is taken out before you take the dividend - so if you earn 10,000 - pay you and your company sec a total of 2,000, you then deduct 21% of 8,000 (1,680) and you have 6,320 as a dividend to share.

      NB1 - you'll also have such things as deprecation to factor in as a monthly deduction - spk to an accountant for the full list!

      NB2 - Open a seperate bank account, ( i find an online account gives the best % interest) and move your corporation tax money saved each month into it. You'll earn the interest on it better than a business account. Make sure when you come to pay the corp tax in Jan the next year that you transfer the money back to yur business account and write the cheque from that account! Declare any interest earnt from this account on next years turnover!

      NB3 - You should also save the personal tax amount each month to the same saving account. Doubles your interest which works for you!!

      Again - these are just my thoughts and experience - always check with an accountant first - in case I have it wrong! :rolleyes:

      HTH

      Rufus
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      • Profile picture of the author Riz
        Thanks for the helpful info Rufus - very much appreciated :-)

        Originally Posted by Rufus Steele View Post

        Sorry - neglected to check back on this thread (D'oh)

        Corporation tax (21%) is taken out before you take the dividend - so if you earn 10,000 - pay you and your company sec a total of 2,000, you then deduct 21% of 8,000 (1,680) and you have 6,320 as a dividend to share.

        NB1 - you'll also have such things as deprecation to factor in as a monthly deduction - spk to an accountant for the full list!

        NB2 - Open a seperate bank account, ( i find an online account gives the best % interest) and move your corporation tax money saved each month into it. You'll earn the interest on it better than a business account. Make sure when you come to pay the corp tax in Jan the next year that you transfer the money back to yur business account and write the cheque from that account! Declare any interest earnt from this account on next years turnover!

        NB3 - You should also save the personal tax amount each month to the same saving account. Doubles your interest which works for you!!

        Again - these are just my thoughts and experience - always check with an accountant first - in case I have it wrong! :rolleyes:

        HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author dannyb1974
    All these people in the Uk

    How about a beer somewhere sometime?
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  • Profile picture of the author ASM Marketing
    This is an incredibly useful thread. I'm planning to become tax registered this month! I'd be up for a meet too, I'm Buckinghamshire based, about 5 miles from Silverstone to be precise!

    Quick question to add... I'm JUST starting out as a business. Would it be beneficial to:

    a) Register as sole trader or LLC if I am NOT in the 40% bracket (yet!)?
    b) Would I be wise to get a business account? I've heard mixed opinions but I'd like to know the pros and cons in the context of Internet marketing...
    c) I'm starting an SEO/Web solutions for small businesses company and plan to continue my IM on the side. Do I declare my adsense earnings etc as part of my companies earnings, or do you suggest I keep the two seperate?

    Looking forward to some advice!

    Alex
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