Does MaxBounty Also Shave Leads?

14 years ago

Yeah, scrubing is a huge part of a lot of lead gen. It sucks to find them, but I swear most zip submit/email submits scrub 90%.

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Mr_Lauri 14 years ago

Shaving sucks, but is there anyone who has experience about some companies that are not shaving the zip submits?

Originally Posted by cdrrck24

Yeah, scrubing is a huge part of a lot of lead gen. It sucks to find them, but I swear most zip submit/email submits scrub 90%.
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lina75

14 years ago

Me too would like to hear of a company that do not scrub leads, anyone???
I suspected Max Bounty from the start as the easily accept applicants.

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warrenj1979 13 years ago

Originally Posted by lina75

Me too would like to hear of a company that do not scrub leads, anyone???
I suspected Max Bounty from the start as the easily accept applicants.

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- bigbrian 13 years ago
  
  Networks don't usually shave and ones that do are just kicking themselves in the rear end. If you guys are referring to email/zip submits the advertisers control the shave on those and if you think you are going to find an email/zip submit that doesn't shave you are looking for something you will never find.
  
  Also... On the leadgen offers, you can't compare a 'similar' leadgen on Network A to a 'similar' leadgen on Network B. You will find different leadgens convert differently than others. It's all related to the advertiser, the reg flow, how they scrub (validate) the lead before the pixel fires, so on and so forth.
  
  I don't want to sound harsh but I am going to be very blunt... You are basing your accusations off of "I think they are" and you really don't have any hard facts. You are actually dragging a good network through the mud because you "think" they are shaving. It would be a stronger claim if you ran the same offer with another network to see how it performs before accusing a network of something.
  
  Most of the "scrubbing/shaving/whatever" is based solely on the advertiser and has nothing to do with the network. Leadgen offers are always going to return leads EOM and most of the time the network will pass these invalids/scrubs back to the publisher as a chargeback.
  
  Sorry for the long rant but your basis for what you are claiming is not really based on anything but you "think" and you really need more facts to prove what you are claiming - all while dragging MaxBounty through the dirt. :confused:
  
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ocean80

Banned 14 years ago

I have NEVER heard of CPA network that doesnt shave leads.

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Kenster

14 years ago

Does Charlie Daniels play a mean fiddle?

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UnDenIeD

14 years ago

Everyone is shaving. The only difference is that some are more greedy than others. From what I know they are on the more greedier side and working their way up.

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Wham 14 years ago

The thing is it's not always the networks themselves to blame. Sometimes it's just the advertisers themselves.

I don't really do zip or email submits anymore because they get scrubbed so hard no matter how targeted it is.
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lina75

14 years ago

Sometimes it is hard to believe when people say CPA is easier to convert as I have more success promoting Clickbank products, nevertheless thanks Guys for voicing your opinion. Does anyone know what Ken is talking about? I'm a little lost.

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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lina75

Sometimes it is hard to believe when people say CPA is easier to convert as I have more success promoting Clickbank products, nevertheless thanks Guys for voicing your opinion. Does anyone know what Ken is talking about? I'm a little lost.

This is what I meant...its a very popular commercial in the States

YouTube - Charlie Daniels

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pozzy

14 years ago

I'm not sure if the actual CPA networks shave. Most of them like to keep their reputation, and in fact they don't lose anything if they don't shave. The actual offer owners however, MUST shave in order to make a profit.

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Vikram73

14 years ago

In my own experience - the ones that are capped (like 250 max submits a day) are the ones that are legit. Those advertisers are the ones who are afraid of getting a bunch of junk traffic and forged addresses so they reward good traffic.

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pikachu

14 years ago

All CPA companies will scrub if the traffic doesnt back out for the advertiser.

The two networks that I've found work the best for email/zip submits are fluxads and LFM Network. They have tons of offers and seem to scrub less than the rest. Overall email/zip submits can be really rough because they often won't backout for the advertiser....which means more scrubbing!

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MrCruzin

14 years ago

I highly doubt max bounty does any scrubbing,

you get crap conversions when you push simple lead gen offers. it can be for a number of reasons and IS THE MAIN REASON why you should always split test.

Try getting into other networks apply to like 20 and call them, do whatever you can to get in,

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MarketingJessie

14 years ago

Max bounty shaves to the max!

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blazr63

13 years ago

I strongly suspect Maxbounty highly shaves leads and they also recently reversed 2 of my high paying leads. When I contacted my slippery AM she played it off like it wasn't a big deal, stating they were probably just duplicates or filled out incorrectly. I'm very much finished with them.

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CPAPro

13 years ago

AdGateMedia also seems to be shaving my leads. I've sent so much traffic to them (paid, targetted), and NOTHING. Horrible!

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Affmz

13 years ago

I heard MB shaves like crazy ! Especially email/zip leads

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cdroy

13 years ago

What about peerfly? I have sent a lot of traffic to email submits on peerfly and not got many conversions either.

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mtmjohn 13 years ago

Originally Posted by cdroy

What about peerfly? I have sent a lot of traffic to email submits on peerfly and not got many conversions either.

For peerfly, everything seems good on my end so far. Anyways, be sure to split test your traffic with the same/similar offers on other networks.
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Affiliatebuddy

13 years ago

for w4 & commissionempire.. everything seems to be fair.. w4 if scrub.. they send the returns.

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DanGlobalizer

13 years ago

Some networks definitely shave, but it's incorrect to make a blanket statement that ALL networks shave.

This is why you should split-test your offers between two or three different networks, and it will be crystal clear as to which networks are shaving, and which ones are honest. High payouts mean NOTHING without the EPCs to back them up, so be leery of networks that offer you a much higher rate, as it can sometimes be deceptive if it's not converting like it should.

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Spags

13 years ago

Scrub a dub dub!
I use Maxbounty, and right now I am running a Targeted keyword PPC campaign to a zip submit (DIRECT). The traffic is small, as this is a test right now. Only using about 20 words. But at any rate, I tracked 79 visits sent, and they recorded 71 (visits, not conversions). Of this, ONE converted. Honestly, it always seems like they all shave, as everyone says. I mean targeted visitors that searched for "FREE IPAD" and got a free ipad offer for a ZIP, and only ONE entered their zip code??? Seems awful bad to me, but maybe I am nuts. So far, it is still a positive campaign. On a larger sample; costing me $1.30 per $1.80 lead.

I find Peerfly to be better as far as shaving goes, it doesn't seem like they are as bad.

The absolute WORST had to be Ymultimedia, at least for me. They are going out of business anyway now, but I sent THOUSANDS of visits in traffic to all kinds of offers, and the entire time I was with them NEVER GOT A SINGLE CONVERSION! NOT ONE PENNY EARNED!!! Just by shear numbers, somebody should have filled out an offer. But I'm not bitter.....

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imback

13 years ago

Shaving shave! We all deal with it! Sucks I have found the best conversions are coming from dating first page submits

Max Bounty has been decent to me.

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iamx

13 years ago

All networks shave even if they say they dont...

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imback

13 years ago

My best experience is Neverblue. I rarely feel like they are shaving my leads, but then again it is very hard to get into.

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justaskbigjohn

13 years ago

I personally run offers on CPA's and can assure you they all shave leads as you call it so that we vendors get what we pay for (QUALITY), otherwise they know we will not run again with them. Just change shoes and look at it from our perspective and you will understand ;-)

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kreg02

13 years ago

Most of the time the volume on zip/email submits is so huge the the system actually loses a few leads. The majority of the time it is the actually advertiser pulling leads from you and not the network itself. As someone else mentioned it has to back out for the advertiser.

I do know some of the big networks do shave leads but those that do hardly ever chargeback leads that the advertiser returns. Then again a good affiliate manager will fight for your leads anyways.

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Adie

13 years ago

I am hearing lots of negative comments with MB recently not only in WF but also in other forums. When I started with MB last 2 years, I had good conversions, but it continuously decreasing to the point that I had to give them up.... I'm still doing good with peerfly and I hope they'll stay for a while..

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bravo75

13 years ago

I have been doing great with Maxbounty up until about a month ago. I was promoting one E-mail submit and getting around 300 clicks a day and it was converting around 1 in 10. I am still getting the same amount of traffic but it seems everything is being redirected to the survey scout offer has never converted for me. I don't understand why all this traffic is suddenly being redirected.

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JBValentine

13 years ago

Networks usually don't shave. Like one said, networks won't stay in business much longer if they do.

However, advertisers do shave.

In their contracts (between them and the network) there is usually a clause that allows some leeway for bad leads. If that leeway is, say, 10%, then as sure as the sun rises every morning, the advertiser will shave 10%.

Now since the network can't take a loss, they pass that off to you. So, technically the networks don't shaving.

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Dr.faizan

13 years ago

Well when I was new to IM I have signed up with eleadmedia(probably the worst network) I got them lot of traffic but only 1 or 2 use to convert then once I run their incentive offer and made one of my friend to sign up with his CC just to check if it converts or not and it didn't. Then I realised those guys are B*** S***. I already decided that I am going to leave them but just to check whether they will agree that they are shaving leads I sent all the proof of sign ups and CC info as well with which it has been sign up and they started saying OUR SYSTEM IS BULLET PROOF this and that. So then I switched the networks. But after reading this thread I am afraid when a quality network like MB is shaving leads what about others? Big marketers let us know which network don't shave leads in your experience.

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JP Sauve

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dr.faizan

Well when I was new to IM I have signed up with eleadmedia(probably the worst network) I got them lot of traffic but only 1 or 2 use to convert then once I run their incentive offer and made one of my friend to sign up with his CC just to check if it converts or not and it didn't. Then I realised those guys are B*** S***. I already decided that I am going to leave them but just to check whether they will agree that they are shaving leads I sent all the proof of sign ups and CC info as well with which it has been sign up and they started saying OUR SYSTEM IS BULLET PROOF this and that. So then I switched the networks. But after reading this thread I am afraid when a quality network like MB is shaving leads what about others? Big marketers let us know which network don't shave leads in your experience.

See post #30.

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Dr.faizan 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JP Sauve

See post #30.

Why do you want me to look at post #30? And also why don't you look at my post properly? Also if you want are comparing the scammers called eleadmedia with a big network like maxbounty then you must be joking..
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- cam94z28 13 years ago
  
  I would have to say that they definitely DO scrub leads. I have been getting zip/email submit signups lately in a way that I know what ip they used, and can verify the signup. My most recent results....
  Over 24 total verified signups, on 3 different offers, Maxbounty credited me for 9. They were all definitely USA submits, on USA offers as well. Only reason I'm still promoting with them is that they have a $50 min payout, and I'm currently at about $17. Afterward I'm moving on.
  
  EDIT: It's official. Virtually every offer I promote with them pays out the first 3-5 signups, then shuts off completely. Even though I keep getting good signups. It's like the advertiser (or MB) flips a switch and leads stop counting.
  
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bigg

13 years ago

here's the grind. ALL networks scrub/shave.
thats the game and you gotta get use to it.

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CPATrendPhil

13 years ago

Originally Posted by bigg

here's the grind. ALL networks scrub/shave.
thats the game and you gotta get use to it.

There's a few that don't. I wont comment on the ones that do, but we don't, and I know big boy Brian doesn't. I believe he and I have a similar business model that we live up to.

Let's put it this way:

The networks that have too much to lose wont scrub (generally speaking, but this isn't always true), whereas the networks that can afford to lose some business often do scrub (but this is also generally speaking, and not always true).

Wanna find out which are scrubbing? Split test. It's that simple.

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kevincts747

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CPATrendPhil

There's a few that don't. I wont comment on the ones that do, but we don't, and I know big boy Brian doesn't. I believe he and I have a similar business model that we live up to.

Let's put it this way:

The networks that have too much to lose wont scrub (generally speaking, but this isn't always true), whereas the networks that can afford to lose some business often do scrub (but this is also generally speaking, and not always true).

Wanna find out which are scrubbing? Split test. It's that simple.

Couldn't agree with you MORE. Spit testing FTW!

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popopdc

13 years ago

Read all the comments above. Maxbounty has been pretty good to me.

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ameerulislam10

13 years ago

The shared video is not working.

What did you guys meant by shaving here?:confused:

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ChrisBa

13 years ago

Is this within your control? Hell no. Split test, between offers, networks, everything you can.

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Louis Raven

13 years ago

Isn't "scrubbing" deception/fraud? Fair enough if it's the same lead already on the list but random shaving should come with serious consequences.

Anyone had problems with Neverblue?

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harro1

13 years ago

Every network does it, there is nothing we can do about it, just stop sending traffic to that offer which is giving less epc or split test on different networks.

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MikeMorgan

13 years ago

Almost all CPA networks shave .

It is like a norm .

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DudleyDog 13 years ago

I've found somewhere that doesn't shave at all. Try Alopecia Areata.

But if you want to get paid on time, every month then I can seriously recommend getting into pay per lead in the UK finance market. I have never, ever been let down. Dealing direct with the merchant certainly has its benefits.
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- oDigger 13 years ago
  
  It's a common belief that all networks shave but there are networks out there with integrity. Since many networks run similar offers, a good way to insulate yourself if you suspect shaving is to split test the offers on competing networks. Either that or get to know your am. Having a friendly relationship with your am can change the game completely.
  
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cpaantifraud

13 years ago

as far as scrubbing leads, maxbounty is doing much less than others. in my opinion, it is always a best network around, espcially for newbies.

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faraiIV machingura

7 years ago

When l started with Maxbounty l had a horrible experience l would have good traffic getting hundreds of clicks from Bing with the right keywords, but for some reason couldn't get leads. l applied for Peerfly, within 50 clicks of my first campaign l had 3 leads. To be honest l didn't even have good keywords. So l think Peerfly suits me more, because l am seem to convert with them much easier than MaxBounty.

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