Does 7Search traffic convert for ANYTHING?

by MarathonMan 51 replies
I ran four campaigns up to 300+ clicks on 7search, all in different niches. I only got a few conversions on one of them, and the others I ran up hundreds of clicks without a single conversion.

I know there are people who use 7search profitably, but what strategy can there possibly be other then throwing pasta at the wall to see what sticks? It seems a bit fishy to me that targeted ads to excellent keywords can have such an abysmal conversion rate..
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  • Profile picture of the author michael rozy
    Originally Posted by MarathonMan View Post

    I ran four campaigns up to 300+ clicks on 7search, all in different niches. I only got a few conversions on one of them, and the others I ran up hundreds of clicks without a single conversion.

    I know there are people who use 7search profitably, but what strategy can there possibly be other then throwing pasta at the wall to see what sticks? It seems a bit fishy to me that targeted ads to excellent keywords can have such an abysmal conversion rate..
    hi

    on which niche , u got conversion . tell me
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Yes it works. You have to do 2 things:

    1.) Block bad sites.

    2.) Start every bid at a penny, (yes i know they say the min is a nickel, but there's a way around that).

    I've been showing people 7search for years now and it does work.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarathonMan
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      Yes it works. You have to do 2 things:

      1.) Block bad sites.

      2.) Start every bid at a penny, (yes i know they say the min is a nickel, but there's a way around that).

      I've been showing people 7search for years now and it does work.
      I tried lowering bids, but if I go too low I never get any traffic at all - and these are campaigns with several hundred keywords.

      Aniket, I'd love to try Facebook as well - I'm just trying to decide if i should drop 7search.
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    • Profile picture of the author ben565
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      Yes it works. You have to do 2 things:

      1.) Block bad sites.

      2.) Start every bid at a penny, (yes i know they say the min is a nickel, but there's a way around that).

      I've been showing people 7search for years now and it does work.
      bidding a penny will get you almost no traffic,you have to be in the top 3 positions on broad keywords
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    • Profile picture of the author Bujuk
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      Yes it works. You have to do 2 things:

      1.) Block bad sites.

      2.) Start every bid at a penny, (yes i know they say the min is a nickel, but there's a way around that).

      I've been showing people 7search for years now and it does work.
      I'm new to 7search. how do we block the bad sites?

      one of my campaign hit 147 clicks, but still no conversion. this is a simple email submission cpa.
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      • Profile picture of the author Manish V
        Get in touch with 7 search. Ask them to enable RID Blocking for you. Once that is done.. You would include the variables ###KEYWORD###-###AFFID###-###RID### at the end of your affiliate link. Then look up your reporting in your CPA account and look for the Sub Ids that have multiple clicks but no conversions. Get these Sub Ids and paste them in 7 search. To do this visit the My Account section of your account at 7 search and click the edit … link next to Preferences. Next, click the Manage SubID blocks>> link found in the Account Tools section.Finally, add the unique source ID code and click the “Block SubIDs” button to save. Note that you can set these blocks per campaign (if desired)


        Originally Posted by Bujuk View Post

        I'm new to 7search. how do we block the bad sites?

        one of my campaign hit 147 clicks, but still no conversion. this is a simple email submission cpa.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bujuk
          thank you KyaRe for the quick reply.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheSimps
          Originally Posted by KyaRe View Post

          Get in touch with 7 search. Ask them to enable RID Blocking for you. Once that is done.. You would include the variables ###KEYWORD###-###AFFID###-###RID### at the end of your affiliate link. Then look up your reporting in your CPA account and look for the Sub Ids that have multiple clicks but no conversions. Get these Sub Ids and paste them in 7 search. To do this visit the My Account section of your account at 7 search and click the edit … link next to Preferences. Next, click the Manage SubID blocks>> link found in the Account Tools section.Finally, add the unique source ID code and click the “Block SubIDs” button to save. Note that you can set these blocks per campaign (if desired)
          This was a very helpful post KyaRe thank you.
          However I had the same exact issue today with a campaign I started: 144 clicks, 0 conversions. So I deleted it being unsure if that was enough data or not. I am new also.

          I asked 7search to enable the blocking yesterday before starting that campaign today and they sent me back these questions:
          • Can you add the dynamic ID insert to your tracking url(s)?
          • Are you currently using a stand-alone analytics package such as Google analytics or Prosper 202 to monitor the performance of your offers?
          • If no stand-alone analytics is being used, does your affiliate program allow the use of a dynamic keyword insertion? Will it pass this information in its reporting?

          I responded yes to all three bullet points via email and have yet to hear back anything.
          However when I asked to allow more keywords to my account that was done in a few hours.
          Should I just pick up the phone and call them?

          Thanks again
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          • Profile picture of the author Manish V
            Hey TS,
            Dont delete the campaign only to restart it again ( you can always pause it).Also if you delete the campaign try to make sure you download the keywords first.

            Just cause your clicks had no conversion, it does not always mean that you have bad traffic. Test the keywords in the campaign until you have atleast spent on each of them what the offer is paying you .... As I learnt for PPC-Coach,

            1)If you have impressions, but no clicks --You have a Bad Ad Copy (Its not appealing enough) , Or I would think its not on top 5 of the ADs being shown
            2)If you have Clicks but no Conversions, then your AD copy is good, but the offer may need to be changed

            7Search is good about communications. however if its been over 2 days , then sure call them. It wouldn't hurt.

            Originally Posted by TheSimps View Post

            This was a very helpful post KyaRe thank you.
            However I had the same exact issue today with a campaign I started: 144 clicks, 0 conversions. So I deleted it being unsure if that was enough data or not. I am new also.

            I asked 7search to enable the blocking yesterday before starting that campaign today and they sent me back these questions:
            • Can you add the dynamic ID insert to your tracking url(s)?
            • Are you currently using a stand-alone analytics package such as Google analytics or Prosper 202 to monitor the performance of your offers?
            • If no stand-alone analytics is being used, does your affiliate program allow the use of a dynamic keyword insertion? Will it pass this information in its reporting?

            I responded yes to all three bullet points via email and have yet to hear back anything.
            However when I asked to allow more keywords to my account that was done in a few hours.
            Should I just pick up the phone and call them?

            Thanks again
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  • Profile picture of the author Aniket
    Never Tried 7search but facebook is converting well for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author pacelattin
    I'm done promoting 7search... I used to write about it, but looks like its 40% fraud now.
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    7 search works for quick email and zip submits. Doesn't work for trial offers for skin cream etc... (at least for me it doesn't)

    But it is a bit of a pita with how much dicking around and monitoring you do to get the campaigns right. Once you do they will be profitable.

    Don't expect a landslide of profits though.

    You have to have multiple campaigns, and test a few different landers. Don't just direct link them (Works sometimes). Better to get a hook on them to grab their attention even if it is geo as the hook. You get their attention for a few seconds you usually have them.

    You definitely have to skim the fraud sites out though. Don't plan on quitting your day job off one campaign either.

    Have campaigns I am tweaking now in 7 search, directcpv, and adwords...

    The 7 search traffic for one of the offers is actually converting better than the CPV. Which actually surprised me. The offer is an email submit... same lander on both.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarathonMan
      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      7 search works for quick email and zip submits. Doesn't work for trial offers for skin cream etc... (at least for me it doesn't)

      But it is a bit of a pita with how much dicking around and monitoring you do to get the campaigns right. Once you do they will be profitable.

      Don't expect a landslide of profits though.

      You have to have multiple campaigns, and test a few different landers. Don't just direct link them (Works sometimes). Better to get a hook on them to grab their attention even if it is geo as the hook. You get their attention for a few seconds you usually have them.

      You definitely have to skim the fraud sites out though. Don't plan on quitting your day job off one campaign either.

      Have campaigns I am tweaking now in 7 search, directcpv, and adwords...

      The 7 search traffic for one of the offers is actually converting better than the CPV. Which actually surprised me. The offer is an email submit... same lander on both.
      So you say a landing page actually helps up conversions? I always thought the extra step would knock the percentage down.
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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        Originally Posted by MarathonMan View Post

        So you say a landing page actually helps up conversions? I always thought the extra step would knock the percentage down.
        Depends on the offer... Depends on how you draw them to clicking through... or the hook, the presell, whatever you want to call it. Just has to be a quick attention getter.
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  • Profile picture of the author loss1988
    7search works well with short form offer like email submit or some free dating site( at least it works for me) I've never tried paid offer with them before.
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    I wrote a post that may help you. You may want to read it a couple of times for clarity.

    Read it Here.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    PPC coach i notice you are not defending your penny bids
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  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    I have a seperate problem
    Started a campign about 14 hours ago
    17 keywords
    300 impressions
    0 clicks

    Daily budget 10$ and average position 2
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  • Profile picture of the author Cleberl1
    These small PPC companies are full of click fraud and usually don't have enough publisher to get decent traffic.

    So the result is poor...
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I heard its not difficult once you learn how, to make 7search profitable

    it is difficult, however, to scale it up, since the volume of traffic is simply too low
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  • Profile picture of the author Pupsik
    7search may be legit to some people, but I've been doing one offer for a week, the conversion rate was quiet low, but I got a few out of it, even though my campaign didn't profit me whatsoever. Yesterday i receive an email saying that my offer had to blacklist me due to poor leads.

    Doubt it's anything from my side, but 7search seems to have alot of useless traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author pacelattin
    I'm done promoting 7Search. I had many, many successful affiliates who have come back and told me that 50% of their traffic is fraudulent. I no longer even write about it, because each time I get HATE MAIL.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaCheese
      ^^Thats's right man...On day 1 an offer will have a 8% conversion for a simple email submit offer then it drops from there..

      On day 2, i got a measly 0.5% conversion to the same offer with the same referrers..

      I do track kws, #affid# and #rid# but the same kws and referrers that converted on day 1 will not convert on other days..

      The problem with 7search is the inconsistency of the traffic quality as what works today will probably not work tomorrow.

      FYI, tried direct linking and landers with the same conclusion.
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      • Profile picture of the author pacelattin
        This is what everyone is emailing me DAILY right now about 7search which is why i am no longer writing about it.

        Originally Posted by DaCheese View Post

        ^^Thats's right man...On day 1 an offer will have a 8% conversion for a simple email submit offer then it drops from there..

        On day 2, i got a measly 0.5% conversion to the same offer with the same referrers..

        I do track kws, #affid# and #rid# but the same kws and referrers that converted on day 1 will not convert on other days..

        The problem with 7search is the inconsistency of the traffic quality as what works today will probably not work tomorrow.

        FYI, tried direct linking and landers with the same conclusion.
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    Originally Posted by Ruck View Post

    It absolutely works, read the guide below in my sig.
    Guys,

    In case you have been living under a rock for a few years, Ruck is a legend, the man knows his s**t.

    Quality guide and a must read for anyone advertising or thinking of getting involved with 7search.
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    • Profile picture of the author pacelattin
      7Search pays him, and pays everyone who promotes them a referral fee. I used to get very good sized checks from 7search when it worked. I had one friend doing $100k a month, now nothing...


      The problem now is that everyone I refer to them now comes back and tells me that they tried it, and have had horrible results. This is within the last 3-4 months.

      The problem is with the quality, its always been bad, but its gotten a lot worse lately. I have no idea why.

      Are some people making money from 7search, of course.

      On that note, Ruck is one of the smartest guys in our industry: he wants you to click on his link, download his guide, sign up for his private forum, pay him money, then maybe pay him more money to go to a seminar. Only difference between his stuff and all the other crap out there, is that he actually has a history of personally making money in the industry, while 90% of the gurus out there haven't made a penny, or were one-hit wonders.


      Originally Posted by JasonWestwick View Post

      Guys,

      In case you have been living under a rock for a few years, Ruck is a legend, the man knows his s**t.

      Quality guide and a must read for anyone advertising or thinking of getting involved with 7search.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bujuk
        Originally Posted by pacelattin View Post

        7Search pays him, and pays everyone who promotes them a referral fee. I used to get very good sized checks from 7search when it worked. I had one friend doing $100k a month, now nothing...


        The problem now is that everyone I refer to them now comes back and tells me that they tried it, and have had horrible results. This is within the last 3-4 months.

        The problem is with the quality, its always been bad, but its gotten a lot worse lately. I have no idea why.

        Are some people making money from 7search, of course.

        On that note, Ruck is one of the smartest guys in our industry: he wants you to click on his link, download his guide, sign up for his private forum, pay him money, then maybe pay him more money to go to a seminar. Only difference between his stuff and all the other crap out there, is that he actually has a history of personally making money in the industry, while 90% of the gurus out there haven't made a penny, or were one-hit wonders.
        yes, the main concern is the traffic quality. 7search claims that they have system inplace in fighting for the fraud clicks. yes i can still see many instance of the same IPs clicking on the same ads more than once. for example yesterday I ran a test and got over 200 clicks, and yet not a single conversion. and i can see many repeated ips. some even clicks for up to 6 times on a single ads.

        so fighting frauds clicks will not be an easy task if 7search dont play they part properly. i dont think i want to go through the traffic logs daily. and i dont think you want to do that either. unless the return is large enough to justify for the time and effort.

        pacelattin, i did follow some of your tips to start with
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        • Profile picture of the author akay
          Originally Posted by Bujuk View Post

          yes, the main concern is the traffic quality. 7search claims that they have system inplace in fighting for the fraud clicks. yes i can still see many instance of the same IPs clicking on the same ads more than once. for example yesterday I ran a test and got over 200 clicks, and yet not a single conversion. and i can see many repeated ips. some even clicks for up to 6 times on a single ads.

          so fighting frauds clicks will not be an easy task if 7search dont play they part properly. i dont think i want to go through the traffic logs daily. and i dont think you want to do that either. unless the return is large enough to justify for the time and effort.

          pacelattin, i did follow some of your tips to start with
          Contact their support if you have repeated clicks from the same IP,Show them the summary and 7search will refund your money
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    It converts.
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  • Profile picture of the author theman22
    It depends on the niche i mean ive seen the same advertisers on there for ages so i assume something must be working
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    I had good results from 7search. Did 3 campaigns and was pleased with the results.
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    • Profile picture of the author derek.ang
      Originally Posted by Eutaw View Post

      I had good results from 7search. Did 3 campaigns and was pleased with the results.
      hi, can you give more information about 7search? looking to try it too. What type of offers do you promote? does email zip submits and direct linking works?
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    Haven't had any luck with 7search either. No matter how many time I block subids it never converts.
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  • Profile picture of the author neralu
    7 search definately sends you quality traffic.. If you know, how to clean it up.. Usage of dynamic keyword insertion for the ads, blocking the sub ids and usage of smart bid can give you significant amount of returns...
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  • 7search only works with zip code or email submissions
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    7Search has always converted decent for me after I blocked my bad referers.

    Got 1 campaign to $150 a day.
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    Guys take a look at this article. Will help those with the blocking issue.
    http://www.lukepeerfly.com/blacklist...subids-7search
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  • Profile picture of the author papuanac1971
    Originally Posted by MarathonMan View Post

    I ran four campaigns up to 300+ clicks on 7search, all in different niches. I only got a few conversions on one of them, and the others I ran up hundreds of clicks without a single conversion.

    I know there are people who use 7search profitably, but what strategy can there possibly be other then throwing pasta at the wall to see what sticks? It seems a bit fishy to me that targeted ads to excellent keywords can have such an abysmal conversion rate..
    Mainly I use 7search to test campaign and see whats convert and what not. I made also some leads and sales but not too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author akay
    7search works for those who know how to go about it.If you are bidding 0.01-0.05 on keywords like iphone,free Ipad,free credit card etc.You are wasting your time. 7search has little presence in those niches, and the traffic quality is relatively low and poor in conversion.There are shrewd publishers bidding over $5 on secrete keywords @ 7search.
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    • Profile picture of the author DR0832
      Will 7search work for either building a list using a squeeze page or sending traffic to a sales page, or is it basically only for CPA? I have an unique offer in the penny stock niche and adwords just costs to much.
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  • Profile picture of the author dakar
    7search works for me. However, it's very little money since the traffic is small.

    The search engines like Yahoo and Google bring me 20 times the traffic,
    and the conversion rate is about 3 times better.

    But I'm still making more than what I spend, with 7search.

    I don't do any filtering or anything with 7search. Maybe I should try that out
    and see if my conversion rate goes up dramatically.

    Finally, someone said that they had an issue with the visitors being from the same IP. I haven't run into that problem with 7 search. I check my database every day, and my unique IP's are basically the same as 7search's reporting feature.
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  • Profile picture of the author bqpennell
    You get what you put in. You pay crap for clicks, you get crap for traffic. Stick to the main PPC companies, Bing and Adwords.

    I see these types of post thousands of time, For every one person who says it works nine more come back and complain about their traffic. Like someone winning a jackpot in Vegas does that mean we should all just run to Vegas and gamble because one person got lucky?

    This BS about blocking bad IP's shouldn't that be 7 searches job since they are wanting you to buy their traffic? at least with google or bing you pay a little more but its 100% targeted.

    Also seen some say 17 keywords 300 clicks 0 leads, have you ever stopped to think it is your keywords?

    Example: Say I am running a gaming offer that is free to play. I can use Game as a keyword and get 1000 clicks in one day or you can Use keywords like Play wartunes Free and set it to phrase not broad and you will get about 90% less clicks cause they do not have that much volume but that 10% will be 100 times better then all the traffic you got with the previous keyword.

    Personally I think 7search sucks, However some have made good earnings with it, but some win the lottery too.
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    I think it really depends on the offer and landing page that you are promoting. If the offer and landing page really converts on 7Search, try stick with it. You just have to keep split testing the offers and landing pages on 7Search to see which one is performing better.
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