Article Marketing Automation vs. Linkvana vs. My Article Network?

[BlackVoid]

Thank you well written that shows my experience with LV as well.

[Maulana]

LV is slow. AMA does not rank my sites high enough. BacklinkSolution is okay. But FTS is one of the best system out there.

[aboutalhah]

The thing is that you don't want to rely on just AMA to rank your website. You need to use all the backlink strategies available.

Franck

Originally Posted by Maulana

LV is slow. AMA does not rank my sites high enough. BacklinkSolution is okay. But FTS is one of the best system out there.

[Kevin Lam]

I've used MAN and I must say that it does work to an extent. It is definitely a long-term approach (that's just the nature of SEM anyway). I do notice that I can do one article submission and find that my article and have it indexed in over 100 results. It's all just a matter of time before it really kicks in.

HOWEVER... what I'm very disappointed in though is that the majority of blogs my article is being posted on either has PR0 or PR1 and sometimes PR2 at best. Still, for the price and what it does, it is a steal.

[dbarnum]

Of these, we have positive experience with Linkvana and talk about this is a couple other Linkvana threads and our own Linkvana WSO service special to get you cheap rates without having your own membership. Linkvana does well for our clients, too. Excellent customer service there, too.

A couple of the Linkvana threads for more info are:

10 Months With LinkVana: Everything I Know

and

Linkvana One Way Link Building SEO Special

[matts5150]

Here's 2 example of obvious footprints, although I'd really like to know what link system they're using so I can avoid it.

promdressgown dot com/luck.php and promdressgown dot com/contactus.php

[denisefernandes]

Hey guys,

I've been using Free Traffic System (a free account) for a while now along with an automated article submitter (with no spinning).

I'm not seeing significant results despite submitting steadily linking to my articles and blogs at the rate of about 2 or 3 links a day.

Am I being penalised for duplicate content amongst different article directories? Are the posts on the FTS blogs not being found? Are they too low quality?

I am still trying to find a good linking strategy and have thought of joining AMA or Linkvana. Any tips would be much appreciated.


Denise

[Emmanuel Betinis]

LinkVana has recently come out with a brand new article network system in addition to their blog network...

Looks interesting...

[jaihyppo]

Originally Posted by vstar650

One thing I need to mention and I hope the folks over at ArticleMarketingAutomation.com read this.... Their support ABSOLUTELY SUCKS BIG TIME, In fact their is NO SUPPORT AT ALL!!!

I Have contacted their support department on several occasions and have NEVER HAD A REPLY... N-E-V-E-R!

I did some research afterwords and found numerous post on several other forums that indicate the same thing... Their Support Sucks and is totally non existent

Oh and another thing... I referred a friend of mine to their service and he signed up through my affiliate link and guess what... I Did Not get credit for the referral, so I contacted their affiliate support 3 fu**ing times and once again NEVER got a reply

Needless to say... we have both quit their service and have moved on to others who have great service with great customer support

On a last note... I own an off line business where customer support is the back bone to my success... I'm here to tell you without customer support every business will eventually fail, and I hope ArticleMarketingAutomation.com goes Tits Up... looks good on them

They're so busy grabbing the money they've forgotten the basic tenet of any marketing - "The customer is #1".

Finally, I've found a post who has the same problem I faced with AMA. You are absolutely right, their support team really terrible.

AMA also steal my affiliate commission. When I refer this problem to the support team, their answer is "This issue has been resolved". Yikes! What's that suppose to mean? Up until now, AMA still haven't paid my commission.

I've become AMA member for two months and I have submitted several articles to their system who so called to have 15,000 blog networks or so. Guess what, after two months, the highest backlink numbers I got was 20 only. Two months and only 20 backlinks??? You've got to be kidding here. Slow is good especially when you want to build a natural backlinks but 20 backlinks, common, give me a break here. That's $94 of my money just got wasted. I can do much faster backlinking if I do it myself.

After getting a terrible experience with AMA, all I can say is that this program who claim to have 15,000 blog networks is nothing but lie.

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by The Expert

freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was.

Hmm...anybody ever ever consider that a Google low level employee is charged with hanging out on forums like this one and being given the heads up through their reading to all the link network and otherwise being mentioned here?

Who needs fancy algorithm changes to find these networks. Just put on the hat of an internet marketer and hang out in places like Warrior Forum LOL. Even become a member of these "hidden" link networks and be given all the details about what they do on silver platter.

Pretty simple really.

Carlos

[wizlor]

For those who has been using Unique Article Wizard, do they accept PLR with rewrite?

[kumar]

Hi Guys,

I am on the verge on signing up with either AMA or My Article Network.

As I understand, both have the same blog network and spinning and submission process. But in terms of customer support and tutorials/help videos etc., who would you suggest?

For those who are affiliates of either networks, do you have to sign up a minimum number of people under you to get paid?

Thanks!

[jaihyppo]

Originally Posted by kumar

Hi Guys,

I am on the verge on signing up with either AMA or My Article Network.

As I understand, both have the same blog network and spinning and submission process. But in terms of customer support and tutorials/help videos etc., who would you suggest?

For those who are affiliates of either networks, do you have to sign up a minimum number of people under you to get paid?

Thanks!

If you've read my post earlier, you will found out that AMA is a bad idea.

You don't have to get a minimum number of people under you to get paid. The question is whether they will pay you or not.

Anyhow, if you really want to try out, go for My Article Network. Actually I've heard some bad reviews for both AMA and MAN.

[Andrew Wilson]

Originally Posted by kumar

Hi Guys,

I am on the verge on signing up with either AMA or My Article Network.

As I understand, both have the same blog network and spinning and submission process. But in terms of customer support and tutorials/help videos etc., who would you suggest?

For those who are affiliates of either networks, do you have to sign up a minimum number of people under you to get paid?

Thanks!

I use AMA and I like it.
I like the rewriting facilities which are not just a simple spinner (although that is there too). I like the workflow and support has not been an issue, for two reasons:
1) You don't need to be a rocket sceintist to do this stuff
2) Support is actually pretty responsive BUT a while back it was not working acceptably well

As to the speed of the link building.
I do not use AMA to build huge backlinks fast. My highest number of submissions is over 300 and I have quite a few with over 200. The good thing is that the links tend to stick quite well. I was, coincidentally, this morning, checking up on some older posts I had made and found that the links were, in large part, still present and correct and ready for repromotion.

I'd suggest that if you need loads of backlinks fast then a blog network is NOT the way to go. A blog network is great as PART of one's marketing mix but over the past year or two I have seen that those who rely upon blog networks for loadsa links fast are the ones who tend to fall by the wayside. Use EVO 2 or Linking Loophole for that stuff and then mix in article submissions and blog network use.

Kinda like this:
Indexing and rapid movement from volatile links (LL/EVO 2/Scrapebox)
Medium term growth and authority building (article directory submissions)
Long term, stable links from sites that tend to increase in authority and rank over time (blog networks with member supplied blogs)

If you only do any one of these things your goals are unlikely to be met. Do all three and you will do fine.

AMA is cool because the way the rewriting process works makes it a doddle for me to generate 'unique' content for the other promotion tools and methods I use so my workflow reflects it and makes it more likely that I will use AMA ongoing.

NB. I have only used blog networks where the blogs are member supplied and run such as AMA, Syndicate Kahuna and PortalFeeder. I have a decently founded prejudice against some other methodologies.

[kumar]

Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson

I use AMA and I like it.
I like the rewriting facilities which are not just a simple spinner (although that is there too). I like the workflow and support has not been an issue, for two reasons:
1) You don't need to be a rocket sceintist to do this stuff
2) Support is actually pretty responsive BUT a while back it was not working acceptably well

As to the speed of the link building.
I do not use AMA to build huge backlinks fast. My highest number of submissions is over 300 and I have quite a few with over 200. The good thing is that the links tend to stick quite well. I was, coincidentally, this morning, checking up on some older posts I had made and found that the links were, in large part, still present and correct and ready for repromotion.

I'd suggest that if you need loads of backlinks fast then a blog network is NOT the way to go. A blog network is great as PART of one's marketing mix but over the past year or two I have seen that those who rely upon blog networks for loadsa links fast are the ones who tend to fall by the wayside. Use EVO 2 or Linking Loophole for that stuff and then mix in article submissions and blog network use.

Kinda like this:
Indexing and rapid movement from volatile links (LL/EVO 2/Scrapebox)
Medium term growth and authority building (article directory submissions)
Long term, stable links from sites that tend to increase in authority and rank over time (blog networks with member supplied blogs)

If you only do any one of these things your goals are unlikely to be met. Do all three and you will do fine.

AMA is cool because the way the rewriting process works makes it a doddle for me to generate 'unique' content for the other promotion tools and methods I use so my workflow reflects it and makes it more likely that I will use AMA ongoing.

NB. I have only used blog networks where the blogs are member supplied and run such as AMA, Syndicate Kahuna and PortalFeeder. I have a decently founded prejudice against some other methodologies.

Thanks Andrew, for your detailed explanation.

I intend to use AMA/MAN and do a lot of article directory submissions initially. I may look at using Backlink packets (such as those advertised in the WSO) and a few other strategies down the line.

[Sandy Cormack]

My biggest gripe with FTS is they ignore my support emails.

That, and I find that I can't get close to their maximum number of links because they don't have enough blogs in my niches.

[webkc]

I would simply stear away from these link buying schemes. Had never heard of anyone getting any real life long term results by taking shortcuts - just in my experience.

[Gavan]

AMA and MAN are very slow. I got maybe 20 links a month when I tried MAN. Linkvana is pretty good, I got decent results from using them. I am currently using Unique Article Wizard, which seems to be the best I have tried so far.

[stern112]

Good post. Learned a lot. Thanks

[Aaron Elliott]

Im using Amautomation, have been using it for about 8 months maybe more. I have only used it for one site and have submitted 15 articles (this equals 1200 submissions to blogs). I have got 5 page 1 results from this alone so I would say its pretty good. I got lazy and stopped writting articles because its alot of work to spin the articles, and takes awhile. However tonight I just used The Best Article Spinner. It took me 1 hour to have an article ready and I would say with practice it will take about 30 minutes to have a article ready to submit 70-100 times or more.

What I dont understand though is that the backlinks for this site is only 50, yet it should be over 1,000 - so for some reason the backlinks dont all count for amautomation?

[Daniel McGonagle]

My tests with FTS showed no significant improvements with 10 articles written and submitted, for 2 urls, one of which had established rankings.

Free Traffic System Review Updated - Link Building - Link building Services

MAN/AMA has a drawback in how accepted articles are approved and published which limits effectiveness of the service in the long term.

I had it in my top 4 list for a long time and it has since been replaced with another, better option.

LinkVana works well and is most appropriate for those with large budgets that will see a positive ROI from spending 147/month plus whatever it costs to have the 100-word unique snippets written.

What people need to open their eyes to is that it's NOT the PR of the sites that's most important, but the content that provides the links back to your sites.

PR might be indicative of SE trust, but a horde of low PR sites and urls linking to you does provide good value nonetheless

[Andrew Wilson]

Daniel, given that AMA sites are owned by members of AMA what is the long term weakeness in the acceptance and publication of articles that limts its effectiveness?

You, as a member provide the content and so the quality is whatever you are willing to provide, as site owner, I will not accept rubbish, although some folks run their sites on autopilot so given that, as you correctly state, the content is the key I am unsure as to what you were getting at here.
For myself, three anchor text backlinks from content that is provided by me and meets my own standards seems to be about as good as one can get. I know I can target a small range of related terms and hit the target every time, I know that it is very rare that my material will be rejected because it is well written and on topic, so I do not waste my time and the network has been around for a while now without any problems from SE's.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Andrew with MAN/AMA it's GOOD that you can limit the # of places that accept your articles, so first 50 sites host and post your stuff.

However, if there are 50 sites auto-accepting and auto-publishing your articles every time, or even most of the time, then subsequent articles will keep getting put on the same sites, thereby reducing the effectiveness of the backlinks obtained, via the law of diminishing returns, ie. repeated backlinks from same sites.

It'd be great if you could specify that NEW sites host your articles, to leapfrog over the auto-acceptance sites that are usually upside down in link juice and filled with seemingly unique content.

Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson

Daniel, given that AMA sites are owned by members of AMA what is the long term weakeness in the acceptance and publication of articles that limts its effectiveness?

You, as a member provide the content and so the quality is whatever you are willing to provide, as site owner, I will not accept rubbish, although some folks run their sites on autopilot so given that, as you correctly state, the content is the key I am unsure as to what you were getting at here.
For myself, three anchor text backlinks from content that is provided by me and meets my own standards seems to be about as good as one can get. I know I can target a small range of related terms and hit the target every time, I know that it is very rare that my material will be rejected because it is well written and on topic, so I do not waste my time and the network has been around for a while now without any problems from SE's.

[Andrew Wilson]

Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle

Andrew with MAN/AMA it's GOOD that you can limit the # of places that accept your articles, so first 50 sites host and post your stuff.

However, if there are 50 sites auto-accepting and auto-publishing your articles every time, or even most of the time, then subsequent articles will keep getting put on the same sites, thereby reducing the effectiveness of the backlinks obtained, via the law of diminishing returns, ie. repeated backlinks from same sites.

It'd be great if you could specify that NEW sites host your articles, to leapfrog over the auto-acceptance sites that are usually upside down in link juice and filled with seemingly unique content.

To be honest I can see no valid reason why you'd want to limit the number of backlinks you get and so it seems that you may be reaching a tad here. However, as a user of the system I can assure you that I do not see my articles coming up time and again from the same places. That said, it is irrelevant anyway!
Even if you still believe that PageRank is anything more than a kiddy toy to let people have fun with shiny things then you also know that PR is about PAGES. The PR algorithm and commentaries outlined that PR is a vote divided between all the outgoing links on a page, hence the name. PR is NOT about a site and so you could have loads of articles linking to different keywords and all linking to different pages on your sites and the effect is exactly the same as having your articles on loads of different sites, as long as the number of articles on the blog network remains unchanged in both scenarios.
If what you say about content is true and your opinion of PR or whatever one wants to call it are both true then autopublishing is not an issue, no need to modify how content is published, in this regard at least.
Oh, from what I can see, I have no concerns about seeing my content on any of the sites n the AMA network, apart from anything else I know that 'a link is a link is a link'.

Also, the system does not simply blast out your articles, they are released over time and so they will go to a randomised selection of sites. You will not get, for example, 50 links made in one day. Bottom line your concern, even if valid simply does not happen and certainly the 'effectiveness of the service in the long term' is not limited.

[Daniel McGonagle]

Most people who spin content realize that it's better to submit 50 versions of a spun article once, then re write it and send it to another different 50 sites.

This allows for a higher number of indexed articles, long-term.

I used MAN for months and submission to unlimited sites means the auto-approve sites host-and-post my articles as well as other sites that come into the network in the future.

If you set a limit on how many sites your articles go out to, then it's not random at all. Sites that fall within your desired category get first pickin's at hosting your article and when I was a member, I saw the same slew of auto-sites picking up my articles first.

MAN had reasons for providing the "limit" option for number of sites your articles go out to.

VALID reasons

[Daniel McGonagle]

Was waiting for Andrew to come back, but if anyone reads this then here's how to test things out.

Use MAN to get backlinks to a blog post
Submit article and Limit distribution to 50 sites
Leave trackbacks open and enabled on that post
Take note of the sites that link to you.

Then do this again for another article same category
Notice that many of the same sites are linking to you again

If you set your "limit" to unlimited with MAN, you'll see more articles go out,
but the trackbacks will decrease over time due to less and less of the articles being indexed, so it's practically useless to syndicate beyond a certain amount of articles, which is why they have that "limit" option there in the first place.

Good luck everyone

[Andrew Wilson]

OK, Dan, you DO know that just because a link is not showing in Google does not mean that it is not used and providing whatever kind of benefit to the linked to site? You DO know that yes?

Secondly YOU made the point that the links were the thing, not the PR of the page and you were right. Even if my experience of the system since its inception matched with yours (which it does not!) because you were correct about the link and PR thing your point is simply immaterial.

I confess to a degree of curiosity here though. By what mechanism do search engines divine that you have posted articles on two occasions rather than one when the blog network is posting your content over a period of many weeks?

However, really, whatever happens over time choosing to restrict the universe of links available to you makes no sense!
If it does, what is the optimum number, 1?

Given what we know of ranking algorithms from public information from the horse's mouth we know that the more links the better.

Oh, given that sites on autoapprove are not identified as such to users how do you know that your posts were going to autoapprove sites much of the time? What difference does it make whether a site is on autoapprove or not? I have sites in the system and I can tell you that it makes no difference to the content I receive and assuming I set sensible post acceptance rates, choose my categories and map them sensibly no difference to the nicheing of the content (not that that matters much either, from a poster's point of view.)

Can I strongly suggest, at the risk of vexing some people, that we move away from SEM by superstition and look at fundamentals, the stuff we can know from publically available information from primary sources?

[Daniel McGonagle]

You DO know that you're sounding rather arrogant YES?

You DO Know you should probably go to Link Building - Link building Services to round out and shore up your SEO and Link building knowledge YES?

You do know that not all of your MAN spin articles are going to remain indexed, YES?

OK, now I'm sounding arrogant, too...

So far my points have been deemed by you (some sort of alleged expert of MAN only) as immaterial, invalid and based on superstition...

My point isn't to convince you, but to let people know that MAN isn't worth doing, not any more. There's better solutions out there.

I won't be back since you're rather rude and most likely looking for a "forum fight" of which I "shan't partake", too-ta-loo.

Stop by my blog and leave a serious comment and I'll reply there

Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson

OK, Dan, you DO know that just because a link is not showing in Google does not mean that it is not used and providing whatever kind of benefit to the linked to site? You DO know that yes?

Secondly YOU made the point that the links were the thing, not the PR of the page and you were right. Even if my experience of the system since its inception matched with yours (which it does not!) because you were correct about the link and PR thing your point is simply immaterial.

I confess to a degree of curiosity here though. By what mechanism do search engines divine that you have posted articles on two occasions rather than one when the blog network is posting your content over a period of many weeks?

However, really, whatever happens over time choosing to restrict the universe of links available to you makes no sense!
If it does, what is the optimum number, 1?

Given what we know of ranking algorithms from public information from the horse's mouth we know that the more links the better.

Oh, given that sites on autoapprove are not identified as such to users how do you know that your posts were going to autoapprove sites much of the time? What difference does it make whether a site is on autoapprove or not? I have sites in the system and I can tell you that it makes no difference to the content I receive and assuming I set sensible post acceptance rates, choose my categories and map them sensibly no difference to the nicheing of the content (not that that matters much either, from a poster's point of view.)

Can I strongly suggest, at the risk of vexing some people, that we move away from SEM by superstition and look at fundamentals, the stuff we can know from publically available information from primary sources?

[AllThingsArePossible]

I signed up for UAW thanks for good recommendation by good people here in the forum.

[quamism]

Does anyone know if AMA and MAN share the same support desks?

[W2L]

I've tried AMA and its OK however I'd have to say... I've gotten the same results using my own article marketing method. Profile link building (angela/paul), forum link building, social bookmarking and the works needs to be incorporated to see results cause there is no such thing as a big red button to make unlimited money

[Lorens]

Personally, I use AMA and UaWiz and I am satisfied with the results. I have considered joining LinkVana, however I am not sure yet.

[Andrew Wilson]

Originally Posted by W2L

I've tried AMA and its OK however I'd have to say... I've gotten the same results using my own article marketing method. Profile link building (angela/paul), forum link building, social bookmarking and the works needs to be incorporated to see results cause there is no such thing as a big red button to make unlimited money

Yes, in the end it is only building backlinks. The thing is that AMA gives access to scads of sites, often, if not always, well niched and can really help kickstarting a site. Most of us do not have private access to a network of over 17K individually owned and run sites so AMA makes that task much easier. As you noted, the other stuff is necessary too, doing only blog network posts will not build a successful business for many people, apart from the proprietors of the blog network.

[mybeech]

I think will stick to Angela's links and will try linking loophole
see how it goes [IMG]http://********************/Bw/BP.gif[/IMG]

[Andrew Wilson]

Originally Posted by mybeech

I think will stick to Angela's links and will try linking loophole
see how it goes

I'd suggest that, if you are seeking long term results that you consider using LL OR Angela's stuff (one essentially duplicates the other given that LL uses the same sites in the software, albeit not all of them) as PART of your promotional/marketing mix?

Using only a single type of link leaves you open to SE algo changes and reflects only a single element of one's ranking and traffic strategy.

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson

I'd suggest that, if you are seeking long term results that you consider using LL OR Angela's stuff (one essentially duplicates the other given that LL uses the same sites in the software, albeit not all of them) as PART of your promotional/marketing mix?

Using only a single type of link leaves you open to SE algo changes and reflects only a single element of one's ranking and traffic strategy.

Not for long tail keyword!

Long tail keywords seems to be working well with all kinds of old style SEO, but if you want to build authority sites, then you are right.

[ruch1v]

Great thread guys, was a good read to see everyones opinions, one network I'm considering it blog blueprint from the commission blueprint guys, you can see their WSO here ** Tim & Steve's First WSO ** -- Get UNLIMITED PR3 to PR5 One Way Backlinks & DOMINATE Google Now!

[alanottapilakal]

Originally Posted by StevenR

I have used UAW, Linkvana, AMA, and 1waylinks... and currently use UAW, AMA and 1waylinks.

They are all pretty decent.

One thing to keep in mind is that 1waylinks have stricter policies regarding the type of sites you can link to... but all in all a very good service.

Having a diverse linking portfolio is important for sustained rankings so I would say subscribe to one or two of these services, then spend your time using some other methods as well.

/Steven

I think StevenR is right

[Andrew Wilson]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Not for long tail keyword!

Long tail keywords seems to be working well with all kinds of old style SEO, but if you want to build authority sites, then you are right.

Hmmm...

I doubt there is any other kind of SEO than SEO so I did not really understand the point.

There are times when I want to make a site or page that will rank well for a short time and then be irrelevant and, yes, in such cases I might well do different things bit that is more to do with how quickly I can manufacture links than to do with any inherent point as to 'quality' of the links. I simply emphasise different points within the marketing mix.

If I want to rank well for buying terms for two weeks from now and for only a few days then I want blog pages - parasite hosted and loads of fast backlinks to as many of those parasite pages as I can manage. I'd not do quite the same for a longer term project although parasite hosting and automated link building are ALSO a part of the that process too.

[himanuzo]

Can Article Marketing Automation, Linkvana, My Article Network be used to generate buzz traffic (not through the top spot at major search engines) for making money online?

[Ceciliacyprus]

So many opinions, seems we just have to pick one and see what happens, some go well for this person and not for the other. Think I will give AMA a try. Thanks everyone.

[CJ.Online]

I tried the FreeTrafficSystem and I didn't get results. I personally wouldn't use it again

[CJ.Online]

I tried the FreeTrafficSystem and I didn't get results. I personally wouldn't use it again

[32paul52]

Hiya all anybody tried this system with UAW: myarticletools.com

[multiline]

I am using BuildMyrank from the last 1 month and I think this is better then Linkvana because they provide many facilities like outsourcing your writing work to others. You can build unlimited links at BMR. There are different packages to serve diff needs.

[adrixe]

Here's my thoughts on the link juicer.

Awesome service, and build backlinks to your backlinks.
I get all the urls in my report and use backlink energizer. Gets most of the links indexed and thus getting my site and clients ranked. Its a set and forget system. And every week i collect the urls and energize them. Works great.

Not sure why people are not mentioning article ranks? Ive been using them together with uaw and tlj with awesome results!