Article Marketing Automation vs. Linkvana vs. My Article Network?

[The Expert]

It seems that there are a few of these automatic one-way link building networks out there.

The kind where you write a blog post, punch in your links, and then upload it to the system at which point it is published on the blogs of the various members of the network. They get content and you get backlinks. Win-win.

I've used Article Marking Automation (AMA) ($47 p/month) for this for a while and it went alright. Now I see others talking about My Article Network ($47 p/month) and Linkvana ($147 p/month!).

My worry about these sites has always been that the price would suppress participation. Less content submitted because of the cost means less value to the network's blog owners which means fewer of them will be setup for distribution and all that.

Can anyone vouch for any of these services and give some guide as to which is better? Will Linkvana give you 3x the results for 3x the cost of the other two?

[seolake]

AMA and MAN are same. And, I really have no feedback on LV.

[SiteBlaster]

You can't mention any of those without also mentioning 1waylinks. Absolutely the best!!!

[The Expert]

What about FreeTrafficSystem.com? They're another one of these blog networks.

I wish I was loaded. I'd just use them all.

[Chris Koltai]

I haven't used AMA/MAN yet, but it is on my list. Right now the majority of my linkbuilding efforts are coming from Linkvana and Unique Article Wizard, and if you have the money to shell out, I'd say they are both more than worth the price of admission.

With both of them, I have noticed a direct correlation between my links getting indexed and my traffic / SERPs. For a few sites I've been using Linkvana alone, and it's moved me several pages forward for some decently competitive keywords.

The downside to both of them, aside from the price, is how much writing you have to do. With Linkvana, each post only goes out to one blog, which means that you're writing 100 words for every single link you get. It doesn't sound like much until you account for doing 1 link per day for 20-30 keywords, so between 2 and 3 thousand words of writing before you even touch article marketing or site content.

Don't get me wrong, it's worth the work, but I'm very glad that I'm approaching the stage where I'll have the extra cashflow to outsource my writing, because at the tender age of 24, I'm already feeling carpal tunnel syndrome creeping in...

[Pat Jackson]

Linkvana isn't a network of blog owners. The guys who run Linkvana own all of the blogs and they build more every week.

I've also heard people outsourcing the 100 word blog posts very, very cheaply.

I don't use Linkvana currently but it's on my "to buy" list, as I've heard a lot of good things about it.

[kkchoon]

I have used AMA and linkvana, let me share my experience.

AMA - Cheap and nice service, I think myarticlenetwork is identical to this. First of all, don't expect to see result quickly, you need to continuously build a lot of articles to it, and it will syndicate to all the blogs, however, this takes time. May be 2 to 3 months down the road you will start to notice more obvious result, at the meantime, just keep sending in articles.

Linkvana - More link juice! You can achieve 3 times better result. However, it cost you time or outsourcing money to acquire enough links to rank well.

I stopped this service 1 month ago, just because I can't seems to acquire the link fast enough!

I don't care what people say about building links slowly, because if your site is 1 month old, you can have as many authority links (PR 4 and above) to your site without any problem!! At least getting 200 links a day is fine!

Another service similar to Linkvana called backlinks solution, which allow spinned articles, and I appreciate that!

However, this service has small network of blogs, around 200+?? The link power just not enough for more competitive keywords.

My conclusion
Get as many high authority links you can get - Angela & Paul package is a start, and you might want to get AMA or Linkvana as well, but you should be prepared to get more articles into these network!

[Axeman63]

Originally Posted by kkchoon

I have used AMA and linkvana, let me share my experience.

AMA - Cheap and nice service, I think myarticlenetwork is identical to this. First of all, don't expect to see result quickly, you need to continuously build a lot of articles to it, and it will syndicate to all the blogs, however, this takes time. May be 2 to 3 months down the road you will start to notice more obvious result, at the meantime, just keep sending in articles.

Hi

That's an interesting comment about lead time and I don't understand why it would take 2-3 months to see links come back.

I add content from AMA to one of my blogs and it's up with the link in and found by google within a day or two.

I did a spun article that has been published 26 times over a few weeks and not one backlink has surfaced. Are they so bad they get deleted immediately LOL?

Mike

[adam westrop]

AMA and Myarticlenetwork are the same thing.

I have experienced terrible results and asked for a refund and still no response....

[dmderoeck]

Can't speak to Linkvana or My Article Network. But Article Marketing Automation is an excellent service for long-term back links. I agree with one of the comments that AMA should not be used for short-term results however. In order for AMA to work effectively, you must be in it for the long haul.

You do need to consistently add articles. My system is one of posting my articles to AMA after first getting indexed on my site. If I need to target a competitive keyword that my site will not or cannot get to the 1st page of G, I will post it first to my site, then EZA, then AMA in that order. This works very effectively of getting the most syndication for your money.

Dan

[4morereferrals]

No love ...

Lots of talk on both of these in the Reviews Forum

My conclusion
Get as many high authority links you can get - Angela & Paul package is a start, and you might want to get AMA or Linkvana as well, but you should be prepared to get more articles into these network!

[Axeman63]

Dan

I'm glad it's working for you and yes it's a great idea to whack your seed article on EZA first to get maximum mileage out of your article then maybe take the spun AMA article over to a directory submission service as well.

Still don't understand the 'it's a long term' thing. Are you saying it takes more than a month to see even one backlink from your submissions via AMA/MAN? I can't see why it would.

[dmderoeck]

Originally Posted by Axeman63

Dan

I'm glad it's working for you and yes it's a great idea to whack your seed article on EZA first to get maximum mileage out of your article then maybe take the spun AMA article over to a directory submission service as well.

Still don't understand the 'it's a long term' thing. Are you saying it takes more than a month to see even one backlink from your submissions via AMA/MAN? I can't see why it would.

Most definitely. You most likely won't see short term results using Article Marketing Automation, nor is it meant to be. AMA uses the "drip method" of syndicating your content. You won't see a flood of traffic nor a flood of links coming into your site, because of this slow release.

It's meant to be, at least in my opinion, a method of steadily gaining back links and trickles of traffic. But nevertheless, it's very effective method.

Dan

[Splinter]

So what kind of time frame does it take for your article backlinks to start showing up?

[Axeman63]

Hi

I know what you're saying I sort of meant nothing at all over weeks.

I have now had a reply from AMA (apparently their support person was ill) I checked some of the spun sentences and can find two articles out of 28.

Market Samurai doesn't show any links from any anticle and this is three weeks on.

1-2 links per day would be dandy, I wasn't after 200 links in one hit.

Anyways, looks like there is at least some point in continuing writing articles within AMA/MAN but I think their system leads to distrust through lack of transparency.

[iblbuilder]

The trouble with automated services is that they often have network footprints that Google can track. They also cost quite a lot comparitive to results, and are definitely a "win all or lose all" link strategy. Believe me I know, my team spent three months researching linkbuilding while developing our site to be a system that works within Googles TOS, while still using a degree of automation.

[kkchoon]

Basically, I think any kind of "link building" is against Google TOS.

However, Google don't really cares... as long as the result is useful and giving value to their searcher.

When Google finds many low quality and "useless" sites showing up on first page, they will start to review their algorithm to provide, better, more value result.

So, the best SEO is pure white hat - using link bait to attract links instead of manually building it!!

[kkchoon]

Originally Posted by Axeman63

Hi

That's an interesting comment about lead time and I don't understand why it would take 2-3 months to see links come back.

I add content from AMA to one of my blogs and it's up with the link in and found by google within a day or two.

I did a spun article that has been published 26 times over a few weeks and not one backlink has surfaced. Are they so bad they get deleted immediately LOL?

Mike

What I mean is you won't see result with instantly getting 2 or 3 links a day, not for a month because the link power is very low ....

Linkvana will show result faster with less links, may be a month or so!

But the best is Angela, Paul or Backlinks Goldmine, you can see result in weeks!

Try for yourself - or get my backlink package, see my signature.

[Richard Kent]

And what about Seo Nuke? Is it so powerful?

[freetraff]

Originally Posted by iblbuilder

The trouble with automated services is that they often have network footprints that Google can track. They also cost quite a lot comparitive to results, and are definitely a "win all or lose all" link strategy. Believe me I know, my team spent three months researching linkbuilding while developing our site to be a system that works within Googles TOS, while still using a degree of automation.

Can you please be more specific about what exactly footprints can these systems leave and, in particular, Free Traffic System.

I am asking that because I am one of the people behind Free Traffic System, and I wonder how on earth you can try finding at least one footprint that our system is leaving.

I am not bullying you; in case you manage to find at least something - that would be awesome help. But I really doubt you can find any sort of footprints left by Free Traffic System.

[flaminjo]

okay! my apologies for going a little offtrack, i would like you guys to give your opinion on AMA and MAN (myarticlenetwork).. are these both same, i have tried the trial version of MAN (myarticlenetwork) and AMA.. both look same. in what ways they are different? as both of them cost same, which one is better?

[The Expert]

freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was. My guess is that they didn't think their's was traceable either at the time.

flaminjo - AMA and MAN are the same network. Don't join both because you'll be distribution to the same sites.

[freetraff]

Originally Posted by The Expert

freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was. My guess is that they didn't think their's was traceable either at the time.

flaminjo - AMA and MAN are the same network. Don't join both because you'll be distribution to the same sites.

The point is that posts are sent via XML-RPC and they are just like the posts that you are doing on the blog. You will not know that this is a blog added to FTS or not - if we don't tell you.

Surely if there is some sort of plugin installed on all blogs, or blogs are just 100 domains with 100 subdomains each and then we boast of "10,000 blogs in the net" - then it is easy to catch.

But if we are talking thousands of blogs, from all over the world, different IPs, domain owners are different, no plugins, no backlinks back to the "mama" site - then this is how all other blogs in the net look.

[Ehsan_am]

I'm a member of AMA and the whole PGB site. I agree with most of what people said about AMA here. AMA wasn't made for short term results. The fact that you don't see backlinks quickly has nothing to do with AMA. It's just that backlink checker softwares don't show most of the backlinks before 3-4 months.

[patlondon]

The problem I had with Article Automation was fact that my articles went to under a dozen blogs after spending 2 hours re-writing content to be unique enough for publishers. I really thought that there would have been many more publishers for my content than that.
My time would have been better spent just releasing that content to the better article directories. And the price on AMA is pretty high for these kinds of results.

[patlondon]

I like the looks of Free Traffic System though..a free option to join is such a great way to get more blogs into the network...all looking for relevant content to publish.

[T.J.]

I tried AMA but did not get that many links. I'll say that I didn't submit that many articles either though. Just didn't like the fact that you had to wait for people to accept your articles. Haven't tried Linkvana or My article network. I've heard that article marketer works well though. I've only used it once but I'm still waiting on the results.

Have any of you tried Jet Spinner... I'm Using it now... It's an awsome FREE spinner and you can choose to upgrade to the subbmitter service. But you can still spin for free and just copy and past the spun articles(that's what I just started doing anyways). I think I'll upgrade next paycheck. It's similar to AMA in the way that it spins. You can also spin the anchor text as well (all though I haven't figured that out yet though), which as you know is good for SEO.


Any ways it's just a suggestion. Hope that helps.

[Ehsan_am]

Originally Posted by patlondon

The problem I had with Article Automation was fact that my articles went to under a dozen blogs after spending 2 hours re-writing content to be unique enough for publishers. I really thought that there would have been many more publishers for my content than that.
My time would have been better spent just releasing that content to the better article directories. And the price on AMA is pretty high for these kinds of results.

That's probabaly because there wqeren't more blogs in the category you chose while submitting. Most of my articles go to over 50 blogs. If you want to get backlinks from a higher number of blogs you just need to change the category every time you post a new article. Let's say your niche is gardening you can probabaly post to home-gardening, home-General, home improvement etc You just need to be careful about the categories you choose because if they don't match with your article publishers won't accept them.

I tried AMA but did not get that many links. I'll say that I didn't submit that many articles either though. Just didn't like the fact that you had to wait for people to accept your articles. Haven't tried Linkvana or My article network. I've heard that article marketer works well though. I've only used it once but I'm still waiting on the results.

For how long did you try AMA??? I have seen people with some amazing results even though I'm pretty new to this and my sites are only over a month old so I can't say this for myself. So far my impression is that for each article submitted you get something like 3 backlinks show up in backlink checkers. But that doesn't mean the backlinks aren't there. As you probabaly already know backlink checkers are far from being accurate. I have the same number of baclkins showing on a short period of time with Anegal and Paul's links too so my guess is you have to be patient and wait 3-4 months to see the full extent of reults with baclink building.

[freetraff]

Originally Posted by Ehsan_am

I'm a member of AMA and the whole PGB site. I agree with most of what people said about AMA here. AMA wasn't made for short term results. The fact that you don't see backlinks quickly has nothing to do with AMA. It's just that backlink checker softwares don't show most of the backlinks before 3-4 months.

I would say even more - backlink checking is "dance with closed eyes", because backlink checking tools simply cannot show the real number of backlinks. Not because they are nasty, but because they are technologically cut off (by search engines) from this possibility.

Please check this forum thread where I give video proofs of that issue - Why Backlink Checking is Simply Impossible - Video

[zdebx]

Quite interesting discussion, guys. You pulled me in, so I decided to share my own opinion.

I personally been using Article Marketer for almost 3 months now. Their membership is the cheapest compared to all other similar services ($99 for 3 months).

The difference between AM and others is that this service only submits your articles to article directories. They will not be submitted to blogs or any other sites. Some disadvantages are that articles have to be 400 words at least, and sometimes it's a bit tricky to get articles approved.

So far, comparing the services I have used, I think AM is the best link building service on the Internet. Now let me explain why:

Article Marketing Automation ($47/month) - yes, it's a cheap service, but it takes quite a lot of time, before your articles get published a "decent" number of times, while with AM they get distributed to 100's of directories within few days.

MyArticleNetwork ($47/month) - as people have already said, it's the same as AMA, and maybe even worse, because the network is smaller, I believe.

Unique Article Wizard ($67/month) - a bit more expensive than the other 2, but I've heard people saying lots of good things about UAW. First of all, what I don't like about this service is that you HAVE to rewrite your articles. Of course, it's good for having different content distributed across many directories, but I believe the benefits are not worth the time spent.

Linkvana ($147/month) - haven't tried this myself, but $100+ monthly seems a bit too much for this kind of service, considering there are many alternatives. The only hope is that their service is MUCH different from others, otherwise it's just poor value for money.

Thanks

[Ehsan_am]

Well you can't really compare UAW and AMA. AMA uses anchor text linking and UAW seems to be dealing with article directories. Not the same service at all. By the way the reason AMA articles are published over a certain amount of time is that AMA owners belive that building links slowly seems more natural to google ( I don't say this is ture).

[zdebx]

Originally Posted by Ehsan_am

Well you can't really compare UAW and AMA. AMA uses anchor text linking and UAW seems to be dealing with article directories. Not the same service at all. By the way the reason AMA articles are published over a certain amount of time is that AMA owners belive that building links slowly seems more natural to google ( I don't say this is ture).

True, I agree about AMA and UAW, but you could compare them in terms of link building services in general, right? And that's actually what I did.

[The Expert]

Don't forget Free Traffic System guys.

I currently belong to ArticleMarketer but I've been trying to pick out another distribution service that works the backlinks from a different angle (contextual links vs. author's resource box).

My instinct it to pay for all of them and spin different version across multiple platorms...but cost is a factor and you're looking at close to $1000 p/month to belong to all the power linkbuilding services (Linkvana, AMA, FTS, ArticleMarketer, Backlink Juicer, IBL Builder etc) plus having the content generated and spun to pump across all the networks.

That being said, I feel that Linkvana is too expensive and I'm not a fan of their 1-to-1 ratio of article to singe backlink. Not at that price. I'd go there, but not until a site can support the cost. AMA was on the top of my list, but Free Traffic System seems to have more benefits overall.

The only issue is the size of the network. I dunno which one is larger.

[Ehsan_am]

Originally Posted by The Expert

Don't forget Free Traffic System guys.

I currently belong to ArticleMarketer but I've been trying to pick out another distribution service that works the backlinks from a different angle (contextual links vs. author's resource box).

My instinct it to pay for all of them and spin different version across multiple platorms...but cost is a factor and you're looking at close to $1000 p/month to belong to all the power linkbuilding services (Linkvana, AMA, FTS, ArticleMarketer, Backlink Juicer, IBL Builder etc) plus having the content generated and spun to pump across all the networks.

That being said, I feel that Linkvana is too expensive and I'm not a fan of their 1-to-1 ratio of article to singe backlink. Not at that price. I'd go there, but not until a site can support the cost. AMA was on the top of my list, but Free Traffic System seems to have more benefits overall.

The only issue is the size of the network. I dunno which one is larger.

This looks pretty interesting.I hadn't heard about this site. I think it should be as good as AMA. I'll give it a try.
BTW AMA has over 10 000 blogs pluged into it. In case you have some information on free traffic system' size yyou can compare.

[zdebx]

Originally Posted by The Expert

Don't forget Free Traffic System guys.

I currently belong to ArticleMarketer but I've been trying to pick out another distribution service that works the backlinks from a different angle (contextual links vs. author's resource box).

My instinct it to pay for all of them and spin different version across multiple platorms...but cost is a factor and you're looking at close to $1000 p/month to belong to all the power linkbuilding services (Linkvana, AMA, FTS, ArticleMarketer, Backlink Juicer, IBL Builder etc) plus having the content generated and spun to pump across all the networks.

That being said, I feel that Linkvana is too expensive and I'm not a fan of their 1-to-1 ratio of article to singe backlink. Not at that price. I'd go there, but not until a site can support the cost. AMA was on the top of my list, but Free Traffic System seems to have more benefits overall.

The only issue is the size of the network. I dunno which one is larger.

It would be too difficult to keep the track of results from all the networks. If you want to try them all, then you should do it one by one.

AM is a proven service, AMA is not bad either, but slower...

As I said, I don't think Linkvana is worth the price.

IBL Builder looks like a small, crappy network, and it doesn't really pull me in.

FTW and The Link Juicer look quite interesting, but I haven't tried them.

[Ehsan_am]

Yes link juicer seems very interestiung too. I have been using this technique of promotion your promotion it looks very natural and it seems towork great.

[Axeman63]

Lots of great posts here on different services.

I have persevered with AMA even though I may not see any fruits of my labour for 3 months (which seems the general consensus) On one level I can understand them not mentioning this time frame, on the other hand if I knew that from the start I wouldn't have been frustrated and slagging them off quite so much.

[Ehsan_am]

does anyone have more info on link juicer. This service seems very interesting and it seems it can turn out quite effective combiend with AMA.

[patlondon]

Originally Posted by The Expert

freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was. My guess is that they didn't think their's was traceable either at the time.

flaminjo - AMA and MAN are the same network. Don't join both because you'll be distribution to the same sites.

I don't see why Google would have a problem with networks like AMA, Traffic Kahuna, Free Traffic Systems and such..

So they form a network of blog owners who publish content contributed by members..what's wrong with this..?

I would say that the 3 way linking services are built on somewhat shakier ground because they just link from site to site with no content..

Yes it seems to work for now. I belong to several of these services too...but the fact is you just don't know how long that's going to last...where if you have your content on huge numbers of blogs that's got to be a better long term approach.

[patlondon]

Originally Posted by Ehsan_am

That's probabaly because there wqeren't more blogs in the category you chose while submitting. Most of my articles go to over 50 blogs. If you want to get backlinks from a higher number of blogs you just need to change the category every time you post a new article. Let's say your niche is gardening you can probabaly post to home-gardening, home-General, home improvement etc You just need to be careful about the categories you choose because if they don't match with your article publishers won't accept them.

Yes of course you're right about there not being enough blogs in that category which was sort of my whole point. I would have thought that home and family articles would be picked up more. I heard that AMA had about 10,000 blogs in the network at that point..?

Maybe it's mostly filled w/blogs about internet marketing and Forex and people in other niches hadn't gotten the word about these blog networks enough yet..? Dunno..

[Peter Adamson]

Originally Posted by Ehsan_am

does anyone have more info on link juicer. This service seems very interesting and it seems it can turn out quite effective combiend with AMA.

Why don't you take the free trial and then tell us what you think? ;^)

[The Expert]

Just so you guys know, I've now signed up with the following services and rank them in value in the following order:

1) The Link Juicer - great concept that automatically creates your own "multi-layered" blog farm for your money site. If you have a REAL blog farm then you can create campaigns for each post on each of the blogs in your farm to "juice them up" and channel more link juice to your money site. KILLER KILLER KILLER tool.

2) Free Traffic System (pro version)- works similar in fashion as Article Marketing Automation in that it distributes your blog posts across a syndicated network. It has some extra features though that actually means you get more backlinks to your site than with AMA. Also, while it seems AMA may have a bigger network, you don't have access to all the sites anyway as your stuff only goes on sites in your selected category...so it's not really an advantage after all.

3) Article Marketer - good site for traditional articles with an authors resource box at the bottom. They are kinda picky on their approals though which means it can take days to get your stuff distributed out there...but it has probably the largest distribution network of any of these sites.

I've not used Linkvana or ILB yet...so I can't comment on them.

[aboutalhah]

I'm currently making a case study on my blog with some of these services. I'm targeting the keyword "affiliate marketing training" for my site.

Here are the services I've used so far:

1. Article Marketing Automation

I like it so far, although I didn't see the results yet.

2. Unique Article Wizard

UAW is pretty impressive. The next day, I could already find my articles on various websites online. This is article marketing on steroids.

What is good with this service is that it will spin your article so each of the article directories have a UNIQUE article. It's brilliant.

3. Article Marketer

I also use free press release sites along with those services.

Franck
here is the automated backlink case study if you want to have a look

[FredJones]

What are the exit policies of each of these?

That is, if you decide to leave the service at any time do your previously submitted articles and links stay or go away?

[mark@1to101]

Originally Posted by FredJones

What are the exit policies of each of these?

That is, if you decide to leave the service at any time do your previously submitted articles and links stay or go away?

Once distributed and published, your articles are unaffected when you stop using the services.

This is definite; the reason being that your articles get published on 3rd party websites which the article distribution services don't have control over.

[FredJones]

Originally Posted by mark@1to101

Once distributed and published, your articles are unaffected when you stop using the services.

This is definite; the reason being that your articles get published on 3rd party websites which the article distribution services don't have control over.

Thanks. Just wanted to ensure that it is indeed this way - I know of a rather famous system that would let you exchange articles with your website and others, but the moment you stop using the services and remove your blog (if you do, for whatever reason) then you end up removing all inlinks to your blog too. They ensure that you do lose the links - although the sites are third party, but they still have control over all the sites just like they have control over yours.

So, thanks for this cool clarification.

[kkchoon]

I really like to see more success story about the link juicer, I've yet see much result from it, other than varying my link source, I can't comment much.

If anyone use the link juicer with great success, please share...

Use article marketing to build backlinks just take too much time, I switch to Angela backlinks type of link building, and it seems much effective.

Creating good content to generate natural linking is the best way, and the method seems much easier than we though. The key is to identify as much high traffic authority site that accept your content, and use them to get tons of traffic and links to your site in the shortest time!

- Kok Choon

[StevenR]

I have used UAW, Linkvana, AMA, and 1waylinks... and currently use UAW, AMA and 1waylinks.

They are all pretty decent.

One thing to keep in mind is that 1waylinks have stricter policies regarding the type of sites you can link to... but all in all a very good service.

Having a diverse linking portfolio is important for sustained rankings so I would say subscribe to one or two of these services, then spend your time using some other methods as well.

/Steven

[kkchoon]

I don't like strict policy, especially silly one!

I want to be able to promote Yoga, Martial Art, Traditional Chinese Medicine, and 1waylinks seems to "hate" those sites...