How YOU can REALLY reach $100/day + w/Adsense!

[2ndAccount]

Great Post Mark. You have reignited by love affair with adsense after a 2 year fling with affiliate marketing and product creation!

Quick question. How hard to you work at your backlinking and for how long?

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by 2ndAccount

Great Post Mark. You have reignited by love affair with adsense after a 2 year fling with affiliate marketing and product creation!

Quick question. How hard to you work at your backlinking and for how long?

Depends on the site and my objectives. Generally though, I do it in 'phases':

Phase 1 - initial ranking. Every page or post get's Dugg, Stumbled, and Social Bookmarked. I also set up an RSS feed and submit it to aggregators (I use Big Mike's RSSBot - terrific program).

Phase 2 - I'll start submitting articles. Depending again on the particulars of the site and my objectives, I'll use the content of the original pages or posts for article submission, along with additional articles. For the most part, I only submit to EZA, Goarticles, and Buzzle.

I'll also usually do a single Unique Article Wizard submission.

At this point, again depending on objectives, I may build out some Web 2.0 sites - Squidoo, Hubpages, and Wordpress.com.

I've found that in most cases, it takes almost exactly a month for a site to 'stabilize' in the SERPS.

Phase 3 - again depending on the site and objectives, at the 1-month point the site is wherever it's going to be unless I continue to actively promote it.

For sites that I want to really push, I'll continue doing Unique Article Wizard submissions, continue submitting articles 'aggressively' (one every other day or so), and continue posting content to the Web 2.0 sites.

For sites that have a good SERP position - meaning first page listing for the primary keyword/phrase - and that I intend to let 'age' (meaning just collect the revenue and develop a few months of stable earnings & traffic numbers in order to flip), it goes into "maintenance mode". This usually means 1-2 article submissions per week, and perhaps a UAW submission and Comment Kahuna 'run'.

Hope that helps ~

Mark

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

For sites that have a good SERP position - meaning first page listing for the primary keyword/phrase - and that I intend to let 'age' (meaning just collect the revenue and develop a few months of stable earnings & traffic numbers in order to flip), it goes into "maintenance mode". This usually means 1-2 article submissions per week, and perhaps a UAW submission and Comment Kahuna 'run'.

Mark...where do you do your flipping? Do you advertise sites for sale on craigslist or other web site in particular? Here on the warrior forum? Elsewhere?

What is your favorite way to flip sites you no longer want to maintain long term for Adsense?

Carlos

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by carlos123

Mark...where do you do your flipping? Do you advertise sites for sale on craigslist or other web site in particular? Here on the warrior forum? Elsewhere?

What is your favorite way to flip sites you no longer want to maintain long term for Adsense?

Carlos

Hey Carlos,

Primarily Sitepoint / flippa. The majority of flips begin as an auction, and end as 'private sales'.

I've used brokers as well, and sold a few posting "Business For Sale" ads on Craigslist.

Mark

PS ~ I owe you a call this weekend!

[Yogini]

Mark,

I like reading your schedule about how you proceed. When you said:

Phase 1 - initial ranking. Every page or post get's Dugg, Stumbled, and Social Bookmarked. I also set up an RSS feed and submit it to aggregators (I use Big Mike's RSSBot - terrific program).

How far apart do you space apart submitting pages from the same domain when you submit it to digg and socialbookmarking sites. Do you just do one page per domain every 3-4 days?

Also are you re-writing for ezinearticles, buzzle and goarticles? How many articles do you submit for a new site?

Debbie

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

Hey Carlos,

Primarily Sitepoint / flippa. The majority of flips begin as an auction, and end as 'private sales'.

I've used brokers as well, and sold a few posting "Business For Sale" ads on Craigslist.

Mark

PS ~ I owe you a call this weekend!

Thanks Mark. There are whole ebooks available from flipping experts (no french intended by the phrase LOL) but I was just curious as to how you did it.

Carlos

PS. Look forward to your call! Don't forget to email me first.

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by Yogini

Mark,

I like reading your schedule about how you proceed. When you said:

Phase 1 - initial ranking. Every page or post get's Dugg, Stumbled, and Social Bookmarked. I also set up an RSS feed and submit it to aggregators (I use Big Mike's RSSBot - terrific program).

How far apart do you space apart submitting pages from the same domain when you submit it to digg and socialbookmarking sites. Do you just do one page per domain every 3-4 days?

Also are you re-writing for ezinearticles, buzzle and goarticles? How many articles do you submit for a new site?

Debbie

Hi Debbie,

As a rule, I do one page per day initially. The day I put the site up I Digg, bookmark, etc. the homepage. Then I'll do another page each day until I've gotten through all the initial pages.

Once the site is in 'maintenance' mode, I may still add content to it, and if so I'll go through that routine as each new page is added.

Depending on the site and it's objectives, I usually submit the site's pages as articles "un-retouched", though I will *always* wait until that particular content is indexed on my site first.

How many articles I submit again depends. At the least, I'll submit one article per page, or site URL. This is to get a strong anchor-text link for each keyword - remember I target 1 keyword/phrase per page of a site.

If it's a site that has somewhat stiffer competition, it may be many articles. I have sites for which I've submitted over a hundred articles over time.

It's important however to maintain perspective. A site may achieve 'good' (Page 1) rankings on the strength of my initial efforts, and not really have much room for improvement - for instance, a #5 spot where #1, 2, & 3 are held by very strong competitors. Or where the total search volume isn't particularly high. Spending additional time and effort may not offer a proportional benefit.

I say "depending on the site and my objectives" a lot. I divide my sites into a few different category types, and that will be the main driver in determining how and what I do. Whenever I launch a new site, there is a specific reason and objective. It might be a great keyword/phrase that I've come across and feel I can leverage. It might be to 'replace' a site I'm selling (I try to maintain a 'funnel' of sites). Etc., etc. I never build a site without a clear objective and goal.

Mark

[kingside]

Hey Mark,

How do you track all of your different sites and what's been done where? I'm noticing even with my four sites it's easy to forget exactly which articles have been submitted for what site, what links need to be built etc. I'm thinking about putting a spreadsheet together to make all of this easier.

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by kingside

Hey Mark,

How do you track all of your different sites and what's been done where? I'm noticing even with my four sites it's easy to forget exactly which articles have been submitted for what site, what links need to be built etc. I'm thinking about putting a spreadsheet together to make all of this easier.

I think I might have mentioned this, and it's extremely important. Even if you only have a handful of sites, you want to keep track of what you've done and when.

I use a spreadsheet. I put the website URL in one row, and depending on the site, I may list additional URL's for that site below it. I have columns for when I launched the site, article submissions, Social Bookmarks, etc. I use 'codes' to make it quick & easy. For instance "EZA 9-15", "GA 9-17", "OW 9-13", which tells me I submitted an article to EZA on 9-16, one to Goarticles on 9-17, tagged the page in Onlywire on 9-13, etc.

Mark

[G Singh]

Mark,

Do you build links to the homepage at all, or do you just concentrate on your "pages" where you target one keyword?

Also say we have a set of keywords for example "weight loss", "how to lose weight", "Weight loss diet", could we use a new website for each keyword. My reasoning for this is that you would concentrate building links to the homepage with a keyword rich domain (as you suggest setting a page to the homepage). Also it could provide as a back up plan as the homepage would rank well, and if your adsense account get disabled you could simply add an opt in page to the homepage and collect subscribers.

But say you have all the keywords on to one website as pages, it wouldn't be appropriate to have an opt in on each page as it would just annoy visitors. Would there be any disadvantage to the approach I would make except for increased domain costs?

I'm just trying to have other uses for these websites if adsense decided to shut me down.

Thanks,

Gurpreet

[carlos123]

Mark,

You got to slow down dude!

I mean you are giving out so much good advice and insight on this thread that I am having a heck of a time keeping up with the nuggets of Adsense wisdom you are graciously sharing with us all!

I am trying to keep up by copying and pasting what you say into my ever growing file of "Marks Adsense Nuggets" but it's getting tough. I will no sooner have copied some nugget into the file named after you than you will turn around and hand out another one.

I just can't keep up!

Carlos

PS. This post is meant as an entertaining version of my continuing thanks for what you are sharing! LOL.

[2ndAccount]

I use a number of spreadsheets I maintain for my sites.

As a rule I have one xls per site. I have one row per keyword then in the columns I log the following:

keyword competition
keyword searches
page created y/n
count of eza articles submitted
count of goarticles articles submitted
count of blog comment left
count of social bookmarks

On another worksheet I maintain my to do list for the site.

On another sheet I have a standard checlist of things I need to do on all my sites such as:

install google analytics
add to google webmaster tools
on page seo plugins
add affiliate links
join a couple of forums (to get links)
create adsense channels (to track performance)

this way I know exactly what I have done and still got to do on all my sites. I don't need to think about what to do, I just get on and do it!

[carlos123]

Mark,

If you don't mind throwing us newbie's some more Adsense morsels of goody from your storehouse of experience....

You previously said in this thread...

You don't want to target the 'primary' keywords, of course, but look for related and/or 'secondary' keyword phrases. And that's where the gold is: there are ZILLIONS of these 'secondary' keyword phrases that are there for the taking!

I must be blind or something because even though I see ZILLIONS of these secondary keyphrases there are relatively few, very few, whose numbers are worth a second look. If we are talking about higher CPC's and LSV's along with low competition.

The goal is to find relatively high-search-volume, low-competition 'keyword phrase groups'. Each group becomes the basis for a site, with a single page devoted to a single keyword/phrase.

Can you give us an example of such a keyword phrase group?

You mean something along the lines of....

Golf
Golf Clubs
Metal Clubs
Wood Clubs
Golf Bags
Golf Bags for Men
Golf Bags for Women
Gold Balls

??

My criteria for creating a site are that I can find at least 10 thematically-related keyword/phrases the EACH have at least 50 searches per day (1500/month), and competition under 40,000 (phrase-matched, or in quotes). Realistically, I want search volume over 100/day and competition under 20k. This is not nearly as hard to find as you might think.

Again I must be hard-headed or something Mark but in my keyword searching during the last week I have not come upon very many keyword phrases that have 3000+ searches per month with less than 20,000 web sites competing for top SERP position in that keyword phrase.

I daresay I have not even come upon one such phrase. I use the Google Keyword Tool and search using Phrase match. I search Google for competition numbers without quotes.

I have come across a number that have less than 50,000 other sites and which have traffic numbers 3,000 to 10,000 as well as CPC's above $2 but very, very few even there.

Did you mean for your keyword phrase group as a whole? And not for an individual keyword phrase?

I am not questioning the truthfulness of what you are saying Mark just trying to wrap my head around what I might be doing wrong with respect to the contradiction between what you are saying and what I am experiencing when it comes to uncover great keyword phrases to focus on.

I must be doing something wrong or otherwise missing something but I just don't know what that might be so I am hoping that you might be willing to give me some additional insight to improve my keyword research.

Carlos

[internetmarketer99]

Carlos my friend...

I don't think you're doing anything wrong per se, some of it comes with experience - as with most things, if you do a thing often enough, for long enough, you begin to develop some intuition, your eye catches things quickly, etc.

Let me "drop a nugget" on you. Or two. (Btw, as a rule I don't do this - posting specifics - as it attracts 'bottom feeders' who quickly 'poison the well', but there seems to be mostly just well-intentioned folks on this thread. And this will be my own personal experiment, as noted below...)

Ok, in that most "don't even bother"-ish of niches: Credit. About 5 minutes of poking around.

1st Example

"fica credit score"
Phrase Match, Local Monthly Search Volume = 1300
Google's Adwords Ad Cost = $10.50
Spyfu Ad Cost Range = $1.08 - $9.65
Exact Phrase (in quotes) Search Results = 5,670 pages

NOTE TO READERS: I will be targeting this phrase. If YOU target this phrase, I will know not to post any specifics any more. And you will likely be hit by a bus.

2nd Example

"what is considered a good credit score"
Phrase Match, Local Monthly Search Volume = 2400
Google's Adwords Ad Cost = $2.88
Spyfu Ad Cost Range = $0.77 - $2.96
Exact Phrase (in quotes) Search Results = 113,000 pages *BUT* positions #3 & #4 are Ezinearticles(!), and Position #1 has 23 BACKLINKS!

The point(s): There may not actually be "Zillions" of keyword/phrase 'easy pickings', but there ARE a LOT!

And, ALWAYS check the competition - which are really only ever the first 10 listings. All you have to be able to do is displace one of them, NOT compete against a zillion pages.

Tools help, in this case something like MNF or Market Samurai makes life a LOT easier, but they are simply saving (a lot of) time doing things anyone can do with freely-available info.

Mark

[carlos123]

Thanks so very much for your additional input Mark. I had responded to your post and thought I posted it but apparently I must have posted my response on some other thread and ended up completely confused as to what thread I was on momentarily LOL.

Wherever my response ended up it must have given the thread readers there quite a laugh LOL.

The essence of my response was thanks though I did notice that you use Phrase matching. I have been discussing on another thread with some others that insist that Exact matching is the only way to go. I will figure that out in time...it was just the only thing that stuck out to me as to you doing something different than what I was reading to do on another thread.

I like the way you do things Mark and I am especially grateful that you are sharing so much with us newbie's.

Carlos

[G Singh]

Mark,

Below is the info regarding my pm.

Also using the weight loss examples as above, when adding in the meta-description for the homepage, would you add the description as for example "get information on weight loss, how to lose weight, and weight loss diet" OR try put all these into one sentence such as "get information on how to lose weight diet"....I know a poor example but hope you understand what i'm trying to say. By repeating the root keyword in the first example, would this be seen as keyword stuffing?

Thanks,
Gurpreet

Originally Posted by MrEyeconic

Mark,

Do you build links to the homepage at all, or do you just concentrate on your "pages" where you target one keyword?

Also say we have a set of keywords for example "weight loss", "how to lose weight", "Weight loss diet", could we use a new website for each keyword. My reasoning for this is that you would concentrate building links to the homepage with a keyword rich domain (as you suggest setting a page to the homepage). Also it could provide as a back up plan as the homepage would rank well, and if your adsense account get disabled you could simply add an opt in page to the homepage and collect subscribers.

But say you have all the keywords on to one website as pages, it wouldn't be appropriate to have an opt in on each page as it would just annoy visitors. Would there be any disadvantage to the approach I would make except for increased domain costs?

I'm just trying to have other uses for these websites if adsense decided to shut me down.

Thanks,

Gurpreet

[carlos123]

Hi Mark,

I was doing some looking around at the examples you gave and had a couple of questions. Please feel free to ignore these questions Mark if you would rather not give out more information on the type of examples you gave. I honestly am not sure why you continue to give out information but if you are willing to share even more...I, and undoubtedly many others are all ears .

I notice that both of your examples have what I had previously considered LSV's too low to even bother with. The first one you gave had an LSV of only
1300 on a Phrase match.

The second had an LSV of only 2400.

Let's do the math with respect to what one might reasonably be able to attain from these low traffic numbers (bear in mind my "formula" may be off)...

For purposes of illustration let's assume we get 25% of the ECPC of each example you gave as our average click through payout. That we will get the full traffic listed and that we will attain a conversion rate (i.e. CTR) of 4% on that traffic (i.e. that only 4% of visitors will click through our ads...I am spelling this out for those new to these concepts not for you Mark ). Let's see what we come out with per day if these percentages hold true.

LSV x 4% x (ECPC x 25%) / 30 days in month =

For first example:
1300 x .04 x ($10.50 x .25) / 30 =
52 x ($2.625) / 30 =
$136.50 / 30 = $4.55 per day.

The second example:
2400 x .04 x ($2.88 x .25) / 30 =
96 x ($.72) / 30 =
69.12 / 30 = $2.304 per day.

So we're talking only $4.55 and $2.30 per day per web site centered around these keyphrases. Now these amounts are respectable in that hopefully we can ride these websites for many months if not years to getting these amounts per day. Which is great but not quite the $50 a day that can be made from Adsense sites.

So how would you go from less than $5 a day to $50 a day targeting these keyword phrases Mark (again please feel free to ignore this question if for any reason you don't care to answer)? I mean how do you turn the puny traffic amounts into enough traffic to have a reasonable hope of making...say $50 per day? I mean if the traffic isn't there it's just not there...or is it?

I think part of the reason I did not previously "see" the zillions of keyword phrases with potential out there is because I was looking at traffic numbers that were much higher and also for competition numbers in the 50,000 range and up as a guide.

Carlos

PS. I just read on a membership site that I joined that the percentage of the traffic that comes through to a site is way less than the full LSV amount for example. Way less. This site was saying that even in position 1 of the SERP's that the traffic listed by Google that comes to us through a keyword will be around 40%! That means that in the example calculations I did above the sites in question would be making less than half of what I estimated they would (if my figures are correct). Which again makes the question I posed here even more of an issue with respect to how one can get enough traffic to shoot up to making $50 a day when the traffic doesn't even seem to be there to achieve that.

[JMartin]

I try to plan for about 25% from the CPC number on average. Of course you never know.

One of my new sites finally got 6 people to it today. All 6 clicked. My massive income? 33 cents TOTAL.

LOL. That's like 5 cents per click. Ouch.

Granted, my site isn't on page one for my main KWP or my 2 main secondary KWPs. I'm kind of hoping I checked my stats around the time Google reported the clicks and the $$$ just hasn't updated yet (seen this before). But hey, if it rises in the ranks on its own from here and gets to $1 a day, I'll just let it ride.

However, if it keeps at 5 cents per click, it just shows you that no matter how long you've been using AdSense, you'll still get some sites that miss the mark or just plain don't work.

Of course, the site is new, so we'll see what's going on in 2-3 weeks.

[carlos123]

Interesting Jason. Thanks for sharing.

Something to definitely keep in mind...that even the pros don't always get it right or rather that Google doesn't always confirm their best analysis in real practice.

Incidentally the 25% in my "formula" comes directly from your most valuable previous input to me.

Carlos

[JMartin]

Yeah Carlos.

And for all I know, the site could end up on page one and get 40 clicks a day for 5 cents a pop, which is $2 daily. But this is why you don't obsess over a site until it proves its worth. You build the site, do your initial marketing routine and move on to the next one. This site isn't even close to page one for main KWP or 2 big secondary KWPs it has. I'll see how it's doing in 30-45 more days.

Either way, it doesn't matter. I put the site up in a handful of hours. I'm well past it now. Got another site going up tonight, one was put up last night and I'm doing some research for my next handful of sites for next week.

I like doing a bunch of sites at once so I can link to them slowly and naturally. I don't submit 20 articles for the site overnight or SB the heck out of it (I do the homepage though).

[Stallion]

Granted, my site isn't on page one for my main KWP or my 2 main secondary KWPs. I'm kind of hoping I checked my stats around the time Google reported the clicks and the $$$ just hasn't updated yet (seen this before). But hey, if it rises in the ranks on its own from here and gets to $1 a day, I'll just let it ride.

I think the traffic source plays a roll in this. I assume that Google is watching the referer of visitors. If it is like stumbleupon traffic that you got you probably won't get crap. I decided that I wasn't going to make any judgements on sites until I got them into the top 3. Obviously clicks vary no matter what. I do have some sites on the front page (not in the top 3) that are getting crap for clicks. For example, probably my highest traffic site so far with this project has got three clicks so far today and make $0.25 total. But i bought this domain before I actually put research into the actual CPC side of thing (Yeah, I did the Ready, Fire, Aim thing).

I think you just need to plug away at it. You'll get really good sites, average sites and sites that completely crap out. I'm sure you could hang on to the crappy ones for 6 months or so than sell it and just hang onto the good ones.

I can't wait until some of my sites start pushing into the top 3. Than we'll see how things work.

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by Stallion

I think you just need to plug away at it. You'll get really good sites, average sites and sites that completely crap out.

In one sense Stallion I think you are correct in the premise that we need perseverance and that we just need to keep plugging away. But in another sense I think the more carefully we do keyword research to uncover good one's at the beginning the more successful we will be on the tail end in having a major portion of our sites be good one's.

Not in a foolproof way mind you but I would think the percentage of good sites will far outstrip the bad if we do proper keyword research first and foremost.

I am not sure about this but I am under the impression that way too many newbie's go off creating sites on the barest minimum of keyword research with the aim to chase the almighty dollar as quickly as possible.

I am reminded of a proverb that says in part "haste leads to poverty". How applicable if we are too hasty and just go and do it without careful keyword analysis.

Carlos

[JMartin]

Yes, do your research.

I'm not a newbie, so really, if I go buy 5 domains today and fire off sites, it's not a huge deal.

However, if I were just starting out and could only afford to do say a couple sites (money or perhaps time limitations), I'd want to spend some extra time really fleshing out the possibilities.

Yeah, I could sit there with a sniper rifle aiming at a niche, but I much prefer my Tommy Gun.

[kingside]

Jason -

If it wouldn't be revealing too much, would you mind elaborating a little bit on what your initial SEO strategy looks for new sites? I know you submit some articles and do a bit of social bookmarking for the main page.. anything else that's always in the mix?

Thanks a bunch

[JMartin]

Originally Posted by kingside

Jason -

If it wouldn't be revealing too much, would you mind elaborating a little bit on what your initial SEO strategy looks for new sites? I know you submit some articles and do a bit of social bookmarking for the main page.. anything else that's always in the mix?

Thanks a bunch

Basically, it depends but some usual suspects are:

1. I take care of on-page SEO (url, h-tags, title, etc).

2. I'll social bookmark the site to a few places via OnlyWire.

3. I will probably add a link to it from an existing site of mine.

4. I will submit 1 article to EZA.

5. Ping the site.

Now, I may add these:

6. Submit the RSS feed

7. Submit to G's webmaster tools and analytics.

8. Submit a couple more articles to EZA to ensure I've got links to all my internal pages.

9. Submit an article to Goarticles and 1-2 other places for the home page.

10. Social bookmark an internal page or two.

All of this takes a couple hours tops. After that, I move on to the next thing. All the other types of linking comes later if I feel the site might be worth it. Generally, I'm just trying to get the site in the system so I can, over time, get some clicks to see what they are really worth to me and to see how far the up the site can move without major work.

[kingside]

Gotcha, many thanks for the clarification.

[arth]

Hi Mark,

I have been trying this method and gained my first click last day, really inspiring!

During my search for the right key words I have been using Spyfu checking the value of keywords.

Since I am also doing the information niche site, I would like to hear your criteria about the price. If the Spyfu showed there is a $2 budget, how much should I expect per click?

Did you do the same check before set up your site? What is the advertisement budget you prefer in Spyfu?

[carlos123]

Hi Mark,

I've been doing some more keyword research and learning today and have come to the preliminary conclusion that searching for the competition in Google by using a keyword phrase in quotes is...well...worthless.

The true competition, the real searching world competition, can only be seen if we search on Google without quotes.

Just the way people search and seeing the sites show up that they will see.

If you or anyone wants to know more of my reasoning for saying the above please see the thread below where I discuss this in more depth...

Quotes or no quotes in Google search when seeing competing number of websites?

It's possible that I am not understanding something since I am still relatively new at this but, I just don't see the logic in evaluating the competition that shows up when we search for a keyword phrase using quotes. The sites that show up using quotes are not the one's that searchers see.

Carlos

[sendaljepit]

One truly gem which discussing adsense in WF. Like anybody else here, I really enjoying this long, precious and generous thread. Thanks a lot for starting this Mark!

[carlos123]

I take back what I said about not using quotes when trying to determine how competitive a niche is in general.

If I may add something to this thread that might be of help to others...here's something I learned today that is PURE GOLD (as the saying goes)....

The number of sites returned by Google when searching for a given keyword phrase in quotes is a measure of how competitive the niche represented by that keyword phrase is. In a general sense the greater the number the greater the competition. The less the number the less the competition. The number itself however does not definitively say how tough it will be to achieve first page SERP ranking. It is a only a rough guide of how competitive a niche will be in that sites that are focused on that niche will be careful to optimize for the exact keyword phrase we are interested in. It is a guide to help us narrow the field of keywords down to those we might be interested in competing with others against.

While such a guide to competitiveness is useful to help us quickly gauge how competitive a niche will be it will not help us determine how difficult it will be to actually achieve a page one position. For that we must evaluate the sites that show up in a search for the keyword phrase without quotes. The sites that show up on the first page under such a search are our true competitors.

The number of sites that show up in a search without quotes is meaningless as a guide to the competitiveness of a niche since it is too general and includes in the number of sites returned those who have no interest in optimizing for a given key word phrase along with those who do.

Pure Gold!

Carlos

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by carlos123

I take back what I said about not using quotes when trying to determine how competitive a niche is in general.

If I may add something to this thread that might be of help to others...here's something I learned today that is PURE GOLD (as the saying goes)....



Pure Gold!

Carlos

While I know you're referring to competition numbers, it's a good opportunity to point out that regardless, you always want to do a Broad Match search before you proceed too far.

A Broad Match search will bring up what the searchers you are hoping to target are seeing. And of course, it's those first 10 on a Broad Match search that you're truly competing with. You only have to displace one of them, regardless of the numbers.

It's also worth noting that Broad Match is where you'll start seeing long-tails that you rank for without specifically targeting.

In fact, you should be examining your Google Webmaster Tools "Top Search Queries" to look for long-tails that you can probably boost with just a little extra effort ("Clickthrough"). Also, the disparity between "Impressions" and "Clickthrough" are long-tails that you may not be converting, that again with a little extra effort might give you some good traffic.

Mark

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

A Broad Match search will bring up what the searchers you are hoping to target are seeing. And of course, it's those first 10 on a Broad Match search that you're truly competing with. You only have to displace one of them, regardless of the numbers.

Thanks for your added tips Mark. Great stuff!

When you say displace one of them are you saying that we don't need to necessarily aim for position 1 on the top page of Google results? If that is the case Mark I am even more confused as to how in the world you can come anywhere near $50 a day targeting keyword phrases that get less than 3000 LSV per month. I mean given that a great portion of those searches are not even completed, that even position 1 web pages will not get more than about 50% of that traffic under the best of circumstances, and other such factors (assuming these are correct) one would need traffic along the lines of 10,000 LSV minimum to have any hope of coming even close to $10 a day in income never mind $50 for position 1. If we are talking about any lower position rankings among the top ten you end up with even less traffic increasing the amount of traffic we need to target to 15,000, 20,000 or even greater LSV.

Which of course will make things even more competitive.

I am getting flustered trying to figure out what I should be targeting and why. I will keep plugging away at this but it's no piece of cake. At least not for me.

I suppose in time it will be but for now I am back to having a real hard time finding winning keyword phrases to focus my efforts on.

Carlos

[internetmarketer99]

Originally Posted by carlos123

Thanks for your added tips Mark. Great stuff!

When you say displace one of them are you saying that we don't need to necessarily aim for position 1 on the top page of Google results? If that is the case Mark I am even more confused as to how in the world you can come anywhere near $50 a day targeting keyword phrases that get less than 3000 LSV per month. I mean given that a great portion of those searches are not even completed, that even position 1 web pages will not get more than about 50% of that traffic under the best of circumstances, and other such factors (assuming these are correct) one would need traffic along the lines of 10,000 LSV minimum to have any hope of coming even close to $10 a day in income never mind $50 for position 1. If we are talking about any lower position rankings among the top ten you end up with even less traffic increasing the amount of traffic we need to target to 15,000, 20,000 or even greater LSV.

Which of course will make things even more competitive.

I am getting flustered trying to figure out what I should be targeting and why. I will keep plugging away at this but it's no piece of cake. At least not for me.

I suppose in time it will be but for now I am back to having a real hard time finding winning keyword phrases to focus my efforts on.

Carlos

Carlos, you're a sharp guy, but you're over-analyzing this to death. First, outside of relatively non-competitive keywords, you don't land in first place. You work your way up to it. Second, all of these 'formulas' are trying to quantify things that have too many variables, too exactly. For instance, the breakdowns of clicks across different Page 1 positions.

I know you're a programmer, so I'll s p e a k s l o w l y (I was once a programmer, but I've been in recovery for years...)

You aren't going to pin this down to an exact function. And for some of this, you'll come to greater 'accuracy' through experience and intuition.

Now don't take this wrong - I know you're objective is to understand this stuff, and you're doing an astonishing job going from something entirely new to you - if I look through your posts, my first thought is "if he took one-half of the time it took to consider, write those long and concise posts, read the replies, re-consider, re-post, etc., and put that time towards just picking some keywords that look good initially, put up a blog or simple site, and built backlinks, write a few articles, build a few more backlinks, etc., he'd be well on his way to answering his own questions much more accurately, plus he'd be that much further along to being able to do it better the second time, then better still the third time..."

Please take that in the light-hearted spirit it's meant.

Mark

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

Carlos, you're a sharp guy, but you're over-analyzing this to death.

You may have a point Mark. I just don't know how to not analyze it as in the only alternative I see short of analyzing this is to pick keyword phrases out of a hat which is no good. I mean I have to pick them based on something.

It is the balance that I lack. The balance between over analyzing and not analyzing enough. It is a balance that does not come easily to me.

I have a natural tendency to be very analytical (which makes me a good programmer) but I can go too far.

First, outside of relatively non-competitive keywords, you don't land in first place. You work your way up to it. Second, all of these 'formulas' are trying to quantify things that have too many variables, too exactly. For instance, the breakdowns of clicks across different Page 1 positions.

I can see where I have been too focused on being able to attain to position 1. Where that has been my end all and be all to initial keyword focus. If it has not seemed likely that I could land in position 1 I have tended to drop such a keyword from further consideration but such an approach has left me with scant keywords to potentially work on.

When in fact it may have been very possible for me to achieve a position somewhere in the first 5. I will have to look over my keyword lists again and start developing sites around some that I can attain a position in the first 5 on.

I know you're a programmer, so I'll s p e a k s l o w l y (I was once a programmer, but I've been in recovery for years...)

Maybe I will join you in recovery if such is something to recover from LOL.

You aren't going to pin this down to an exact function.

I have indeed been trying to do that but as you rightly point out that may not be doable.

Now don't take this wrong - I know you're objective is to understand this stuff, and you're doing an astonishing job going from something entirely new to you - if I look through your posts, my first thought is "if he took one-half of the time it took to consider, write those long and concise posts, read the replies, re-consider, re-post, etc., and put that time towards just picking some keywords that look good initially, put up a blog or simple site, and built backlinks, write a few articles, build a few more backlinks, etc., he'd be well on his way to answering his own questions much more accurately, plus he'd be that much further along to being able to do it better the second time, then better still the third time..."

Mark any valid input you have is much appreciated. Even if that valid input is to point out the fallacy of my approach to date. I don't think my approach or the time that I have spent on posts has been a waste. I am miles ahead of many newbie's. The knowledge I have gained will do me well in time to come but I see your point where learning by doing is perhaps a wonderful way to learn too.

Where I must be willing to fall flat on my face in the doing in order to stand and succeed in the long run.

I just have not wanted to take 6 months to a year to do the learning. My focus on analyzing has been to shorten the learning time gained by doing to a minimum so I can succeed at this faster. But such a shortcut may not be entirely doable as I would wish it were.

Please take that in the light-hearted spirit it's meant.

It's tough to hear what may be true of my efforts so far Mark. For sure. What you say may even come close to being offensive to me but the truth is the truth and to the degree that you have experience I would be a fool not to listen and learn from your correction.

Please do not hesitate at all to correct anything I may say in the future or to remind me of the nuggets of wisdom you have shared with me so far.

Carlos

[cremedwheat]

Thanks for some great information because it makes sense and its something I can accomplish with a couple of my sites.

[NicheCowboy]

Mark,

killer thread!

Let's toss around a few keywords and if you don't mind, let us know if you'd pursue them or not.

"cheap car insurances"

MNF 1600 searches a month, 20,000 in quotes, $30+ adwords spend, SOC of 6 (green). The "intitle" count is 80.

A million of similiar keywords like this are out there, except the top 10 SERPS (esp for the insurance industry!), are full of PR 4+'s.

Would you go after this one?

Here's another,

"cheap car insurance rate"

Again, looks too good to be true in MNF. Soc of 17, 31,000 in quotes matches, $28 adword spend, and 81 "intitle" count.

Still, lots of pr 4's and 5's in the top 10 SERPS.

I use SEO Quake firefox pluggin to check out the top 10 for all my keywords, and the comp. looks stiff on these two.

Why are why wouldn't you target either of these two keywords.

Pearson

P.S. What do you use to tell you the # of backlinks? What exactly lets you determine if a top 10 serps is too tough to crack or not?

[probizlink]

Originally Posted by mixmastermidori

This is a great post!

I'm wondering if anyone can give an example of text for the Resource Box in ezinearticles. If we're supposed to write an article unrelated to the keyword we're trying to get ranked for, how do we incorporate this into the Resource Box? I apologize for the question. I'm new at the whole article marketing thing.

Thanks for the help!

I have gone to ezinearticles and just read and copied ideas from there to write the resource box.

[StephenDavies]

Hi all,

The main domain on my hosting account is, say, www dot fordcars dot com (I wish!).

I create an 'add-on' domain at my hosting company for a second domain name, say www dot newkitchens dot com.

Sometimes my newkitchens site shows fordcars Adsense adverts.

I suspect this is because the hosting company treats the 'real' address of the new site as www dot fordcars dot com/www dot newkitchens dot com (or something similar).

Does anyone else get this, and is there a cure that doesn't involve registering all of my domains with my hosing company? (I was advised to keep my domain registrations seperate from my hosting).

Or is the answer to use a reseller hosting account? In which case are there any recommendations please?

Steve.

[AggieMom]

Great post here!
And newbie here impressed alot!

But I always think it is hard to traget a good keyword for me, any suggestion??

[AM Faisal]

very inspiring post....and thanks for the theme

[josher]

I've only read the first 3 pages so far, so I apologize if it's addressed in the latter pages.

Since you use adsense optimized themes, how do you test your ad placement layouts?

[josher]

Originally Posted by StephenDavies

Hi all,

The main domain on my hosting account is, say, www dot fordcars dot com (I wish!).

I create an 'add-on' domain at my hosting company for a second domain name, say www dot newkitchens dot com.

Sometimes my newkitchens site shows fordcars Adsense adverts.

I suspect this is because the hosting company treats the 'real' address of the new site as www dot fordcars dot com/www dot newkitchens dot com (or something similar).

Does anyone else get this, and is there a cure that doesn't involve registering all of my domains with my hosing company? (I was advised to keep my domain registrations seperate from my hosting).

Or is the answer to use a reseller hosting account? In which case are there any recommendations please?

Steve.

G00G recently went to "behavioral" ads, not sure if that's the exact term they're using. What that means is that if you visited a site about kitchen cabinets, they will assume you're looking for kitchen cabinets and will throw up those ads.

Anyone read Paul Meyer's latest gem on G00G.
Google Conspiracy? - TalkBiz News - Online marketing newsletter

[zeroacid]

wow, the information is cool and help me to get an idea on how to really start "adsense".

I am still searching for a niche market which I found it is really hard to do in the first hand!! Keep on trying and will take your info as an advice for the keyword research as this is the most difficult part for me as a start!!

Thanks for sharing!!

[webdaisy]

thanks for sharing this great information

[BKenn01]

Mark, I apologize if you have already answered this question. What do you think of autobloggers for adsense marketing? Do you utilize this method?

[judelive1986]

How much easier is it to have a keyword tool such as MNF or Samurai? Does it save significantly more time than just bouncing between the keyword tool and google search?

It is very easy as long as you watch the training video. Like Samurai, you can you tube it. It saves time and effort as long as you know your product.

Dude, thank you for this very informative post...continue on doing this..thanks

[nofearman]

What tool are you referring that provides backlink "stickyness" as mentioned below?

"You should also be taking advantage of Google's Webmaster Tools. Look at the sites that your backlinks are 'sticking' to and go back to them where possible for other backlinks."

[sean-john]

nice thanks a good read

[internetmarketer99]

I'm not sure I understand your question.

Google's Webmaster Tools, which is a free Google application that you access from your Google account, will show you the backlinks it has found to your site.

These are the only ones that Google is counting towards your "Total Backlink Value", meaning the links that are helping your ranking.

Since you know these links are "sticking", where possible you can go back to those sites to add additional backlinks.

Mark

Originally Posted by nofearman

What tool are you referring that provides backlink "stickyness" as mentioned below?

"You should also be taking advantage of Google's Webmaster Tools. Look at the sites that your backlinks are 'sticking' to and go back to them where possible for other backlinks."

[nofearman]

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

I'm not sure I understand your question.

Google's Webmaster Tools, which is a free Google application that you access from your Google account, will show you the backlinks it has found to your site.

These are the only ones that Google is counting towards your "Total Backlink Value", meaning the links that are helping your ranking.

Since you know these links are "sticking", where possible you can go back to those sites to add additional backlinks.

Mark

Yes, I use Webmaster tools. I meant what "function" are you referrring. BUt, I think you answered my question. I thought maybe a special function that displays "sticky" backlinks.