Do Inbound Links Relate To Page Rank?

[doylesoft]

I currently have about 17,000 Inbound Links and a Page Rank of 2. Does writing and submitting articles dramatically increase Inbound Links?

Is it possible to get the Page Rank up to 3 or 4 or do I need a lot of links from high PR sites?

Thanks in advance!
- Brandon

[Andy Crofford]

This is a great question.

PageRank is based eigenvector centrality, which is a graph theory used in network analysis. It basically assigns a value to a network node based on how important that node is within the network.

For obvious reasons the PageRank algorithm is a closely guarded secret. But to break it down to its most basic form, you need thousands of more links from lower PR sites to equal the link juice you will get from higher PR sites. So it is possible to raise your site to a PR 3 or 4 with backlinks from low PR sites but it is going to take a lot more of them.

I hope this answers your question.

[Ron Killian]

PR does take time as well, used to be a big gap in update times. I don't know what it is now days. Although your PR may show 2, it could be higher, just not showing the update yet.

Frankly, I don't watch my PR, I watch my ranks for my keywords, much more important

[Andy Crofford]

Originally Posted by Ron Killian

PR does take time as well, used to be a big gap in update times. I don't know what it is now days. Although your PR may show 2, it could be higher, just not showing the update yet.

Frankly, I don't watch my PR, I watch my ranks for my keywords, much more important

Ron,

I agree with you on preferring to watch the ranks of keywords on the SERPs. Typically I find that higher PR is a by-product of ranking well for my keywords.

[Ron Killian]

Originally Posted by Andy Crofford

Ron,

I agree with you on preferring to watch the ranks of keywords on the SERPs. Typically I find that higher PR is a by-product of ranking well for my keywords.

Well, sometimes, least in my experience. It really depends on the site and their SEO. Not uncommon for a PR3 site to out rank a PR7 site, I've done it. So PR on my site is not important to me. I just work on SEO for ranks and if PR follows, so be it, but not something I concentrate on or even think about.

Course just my "two cents"

[RobertSeviour]

How important is the content of the 'donor' site?

Assuming for example that my site is about books for engineers and I place a (sensible) comment on a PR3 site which happens to be about cake-making, using anchor text which is one of the keywords I want to rank for.

Will this contribute less link-power to my site than a link placed on an engineering-related site of the same PR using exactly the same anchor text?

It would be very useful to know this for planning link-building efforts.

Robert

[Ron Killian]

Originally Posted by RobertSeviour

How important is the content of the 'donor' site?

Assuming for example that my site is about books for engineers and I place a (sensible) comment on a PR3 site which happens to be about cake-making, using anchor text which is one of the keywords I want to rank for.

Will this contribute less link-power to my site than a link placed on an engineering-related site of the same PR using exactly the same anchor text?

It would be very useful to know this for planning link-building efforts.

Robert

One would think that the second would be a much better link, because it's much more related. Course again, PR is not always everything. The cake making site might actually be more popular and a better link.

But if I had my choice, yes, I would go for the related one first.

[mydatateam007]

Page Rank are not the only purpose inbound links serve. They also send traffic to your site. It stands to reason that, as with ranks, more inbound links are better, because that is more potential traffic to your site. In addition, if the link text (the text the user clicks on) of the inbound has your keywords in it, that will also improve your page ranking.

[RobertSeviour]

Thanks for the comment Ron. I wonder if anyone has conducted a careful test of this point to establish for a fact that the surrounding content of a donor site has a significant effect on the authority of a backlink.

[RobertSeviour]

Originally Posted by mydatateam007

Page Rank are not the only purpose inbound links serve. They also send traffic to your site. It stands to reason that, as with ranks, more inbound links are better, because that is more potential traffic to your site. In addition, if the link text (the text the user clicks on) of the inbound has your keywords in it, that will also improve your page ranking.

My experience is that comments even at blogs or forums which are directly relevant to topic produce only a trickle of traffic, certainly far less than that which comes from search engines. And the traffic from search engines is very heavily dependant on SERP position, which in turn is affected (at least if the other factors are equal [I know that isn't common] by PR).

My original question is asked in a effort to make my link-building, which is very time consuming, more effective.

[LookItsMeTerryG]

Originally Posted by Andy Crofford

This is a great question.

PageRank is based eigenvector centrality, which is a graph theory used in network analysis. It basically assigns a value to a network node based on how important that node is within the network.

For obvious reasons the PageRank algorithm is a closely guarded secret. But to break it down to its most basic form, you need thousands of more links from lower PR sites to equal the link juice you will get from higher PR sites. So it is possible to raise your site to a PR 3 or 4 with backlinks from low PR sites but it is going to take a lot more of them.

I hope this answers your question.

This guy is SO wise.. Not to be weird but I constantly feel the need to spontaneously hug you, Andy...

For the others, what he's saying is directly out of the patent application:

United States Patent: 7058628

Here's the abstract for all those too lazy to click the link:

A method assigns importance ranks to nodes in a linked database, such as any database of documents containing citations, the world wide web or any other hypermedia database. The rank assigned to a document is calculated from the ranks of documents citing it. In addition, the rank of a document is calculated from a constant representing the probability that a browser through the database will randomly jump to the document. The method is particularly useful in enhancing the performance of search engine results for hypermedia databases, such as the world wide web, whose documents have a large variation in quality.

[Ron Killian]

Originally Posted by RobertSeviour

My experience is that comments even at blogs or forums which are directly relevant to topic produce only a trickle of traffic, certainly far less than that which comes from search engines. And the traffic from search engines is very heavily dependant on SERP position, which in turn is affected (at least if the other factors are equal [I know that isn't common] by PR).

My original question is asked in a effort to make my link-building, which is very time consuming, more effective.

Exactly, a trickle of traffic. The only time I've seen any significant traffic from a blog is when my site is mentioned in the post as a reference or resource.

I've tried spending time commenting on blogs, and found it usually some what a waste, unless you have the extra time. I saw traffic, but not much. I also did not see a big difference in ranks either, such as a rise.

Then again, it can and often is a combination of a number of different links. So can't rule it out totally.

[Hafsoh]

PR is also based on quality and how related the links are not the quantity. Getting links from higher PR site with less outbound links is a great way of increasing PR.

[firewife]

what i hear is that G values Inbound Links more than outbounds links

[firewife]

Originally Posted by Ron Killian

Exactly, a trickle of traffic. The only time I've seen any significant traffic from a blog is when my site is mentioned in the post as a reference or resource.

I've tried spending time commenting on blogs, and found it usually some what a waste, unless you have the extra time. I saw traffic, but not much. I also did not see a big difference in ranks either, such as a rise.

Then again, it can and often is a combination of a number of different links. So can't rule it out totally.

i looks through many posts and most of them jsut thumbs up for blog and forum thing
then what's ur forcus , which do u think we should pay more heed to ?

[RobertSeviour]

Originally Posted by Hafsoh

PR is also based on quality and how related the links are not the quantity. Getting links from higher PR site with less outbound links is a great way of increasing PR.

Amid the general uncertainty about the value of various link building philosophies, this strikes me as one approach we can be confident in. It's how I will be proceeding.

But still open to hear from anyone with test evidence about what works best.

Robert

[dburk]

Originally Posted by firewife

what i hear is that G values Inbound Links more than outbounds links

Hi firewife,

And yet from Google's perspective every inbound link is also an outbound link. A link can't be one without also being the other.

PageRank flows from the page with the link (outbound) to the page the link points toward. Anchor text however effects the relevance of both the page with the link and the page it points toward.

If you plan your internal link structure carefully you can gain great benefit from strategically placed outbound links. The power of a link can vary greatly depending on how it's managed.

There is a tendency for many folks, especially on this forum, to emphasize massive backlink building (spamdexing) without any regard to strategy.

To use an analogy, the "just go and get lots of backlinks" approach is like a general telling his troops to fire in any direction at anytime as often as you can. You may eventually defeat your enemy, but at what cost?

Developing an effective strategy that leverages your effort you'll easily defeat a competitor with much less effort. There are so many keywords to conquer, marshal your resources wisely and you can get so much more with the same effort.

[firewife]

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi firewife,

And yet from Google's perspective every inbound link is also an outbound link. A link can't be one without also being the other.

PageRank flows from the page with the link (outbound) to the page the link points toward. Anchor text however effects the relevance of both the page with the link and the page it points toward.

If you plan your internal link structure carefully you can gain great benefit from strategically placed outbound links. The power of a link can vary greatly depending on how it's managed.

There is a tendency for many folks, especially on this forum, to emphasize massive backlink building (spamdexing) without any regard to strategy.

To use an analogy, the "just go and get lots of backlinks" approach is like a general telling his troops to fire in any direction at anytime as often as you can. You may eventually defeat your enemy, but at what cost?

Developing an effective strategy that leverages your effort you'll easily defeat a competitor with much less effort. There are so many keywords to conquer, marshal your resources wisely and you can get so much more with the same effort.

well, thanks dburk
i am new , and lack experience
so i got a lot info through others' mouths
so i guess ur opinion is precious
and i guess it is somthing u've got from ur own experience
thanks for telling me that , vary appreciate , keep correcting if i am wrong